There is a dedicated community on this website for Flat Earth [FE] stuff:
There is no need for FE here on conspiracies IMO. If people want to explore FE they can easily seek it there or elsewhere on the internet.
My position: FE doesn't belong here. I believe the proponents of FE are ruining any chance this forum has to gain a larger following. They are time wasters and trolls who reject logical and reasonable rebuttable of their assertions. If someone disproves their idea they say it's lies and fakery without justification or evidence. If it's tiresome for me it must be annoying for others too, and perhaps it is dissuading lurkers from taking the leap and interacting here. No one should have to spend time wading through FE madness if they didn't seek it out.
My position wont change through argument. That's not what this post is about. I want to know:
Do individual, regular users on Conspiracies support banning FE posts and "discussion" from this forum?
If this motion of mine passes, the FE users would be allowed to stay, but submissions they make claiming the Earth is flat would be removed and result in a 3 day ban.
Comments arguing for FE would be removed too, if they are reported or I see them.
A note on the side bar would be added, making it clear that FE is banned here, and a link to the scored/communities FE community provided.
I think that's fair.
Since voting is easily manipulated, the way we'll decide is this:
Reply below, a top level comment, with either a YAY or NAY
YAY= I want FE banned
NAY= I want FE allowed
1 vote per user
Any top level comment without a clear YAY or NAY at the beginning of the comment will be removed.
YAYS or NAYS as a reply to a top level comment will not count and will be removed.
Provide justification, opinions or suggestions about all this along with your vote, if you like, but place it on a separate line below your YAY or NAY.
Replying to users is fine too, as long as you yourself have also made a top level comment with a yay or nay.
If a top level comment is edited, the edit history will be checked and the comment may not count or may be removed.
We have about 100 regular users/contributors, my estimate, so I hope everyone replies with a YAY or NAY. We'll give it plenty of time to ensure everyone sees this post.
Upvotes or Downvotes on comments or on this post will be completely ignored
We're counting YAYs or NAYs from individual users only.
Top level comments without a clear YAY or NAY will be removed.
Duplicate YAYs or NAYS will be removed.
Handshake account YAYs or NAYs are welcome, but they will be scrutinized and possibly ignored if they seem like sock-puppets, regardless of how they are voting. This is to ensure the minimum of vote manipulation.
Older accounts with little to no history - or where their last comment was several months or years ago - will also be scrutinized and may not count.
I reserve the right to edit this post based on interactions and suggestions below. I may not have thought of everything. Edits will be labelled and placed at the end of this text.
Minus sock-puppet accounts it's 61 Nay, 44 Yay.
Most of the nays are casual, non-contributing users banging on about censorship and free speech who don't give a damn about quality content nor FE. I encourage those users to engage with FE instead of ignoring it. If you did that you would probably come to regret voting to allow it in this forum.
Fucking nay. Censorship sux
it's not censorship. A link will be provided to the Flat Earth Research community.
That absolutely fits the definition of censorship. Content of any other topic would be governed by upvotes/downvotes/comments, not so with FE.
That would be forum curation: putting the discussions in the relevant place. It is not censorship.
That definitely does NOT fit the definition of censorship lol.
Censorship = not being able to see or show something.
You literally just have to click another URL in the same website, which will be linked by this one.
It is censored from this site so yes it is.
Censoring is removal. Not relocation.
Yeah removal from this site. Its censorship you moron. I mean are people getting stupider by the second, or what? oh wait you called me a faggot! how original! haha what are you stuck in the fucking 1980's you fucking idiot?!?
The only reason you argument this way is because you aren't happy of having your own sub to debate FE.
Which means you just want to shit up this place with something MOST USERS aren't fucking interested in.
Screech and die in a fire, faggot.
Ok. So take your globe cult and leave intelligent people alone.
No. It literally doesn’t. What obligation do we have to allow any off-topic posts here? Are you okay with people spamming posts solely about animals here, even though we have an Animals board?
How about Cars?
How about MGTOW?
How about Technology?
Off topic, it's the mother of conspiracies! It seems like most people here don't by the moonlanding, and they heavily question nasa. Why wouldn't our cosmology be on the table for discussion.
If flat earth is censored on conspiracy.win, how the fuck can anyone claim its promoted byGoogle? There aren't any FEs that have more than a few hundred thousand subscribers. If you search the topic all you get is debunkers.
Why oppose discussion of it being done in the correct place? There is an entire sub devoted to it, how is that censorship!?
It's just like back in 2016 when they quarantined The_Donald from the rest of reddit. It was making too many waves and pissed a lot of people off. They wanted to keep them in an echo chamber away from everyone else, so the ideas don't spread. That's exactly what is happening now. The Mod got called out on fake evidence by a FEer and it ruined his day. Flat Earth is on topic just as simulation theory and hollow earth.
It isn't like that at all because:
The_Donald was quarantined despite being one of the top subs, they quarantined it by hiding it from users to prevent traffic there. The quarantine was because of the influence it exerted and traffic it generated to the sub. No one on The_Donald was mad about posting in their own sub.
No one is trying to hide or quarantine the flat earth sub here, there is no effort to prevent anyone going there if they want to. If people actually wanted to hear about it or discuss it then there would be plenty of traffic there. Maybe you should consider why there is not enough traffic for your liking and why flat earth posters have to spam elsewhere to have any "discussion" (which is generally just people calling them stupid and them denying it rather than any real discussion). Why do flat earth posters NOT want to post in a sub specifically about their interests!?
There are "waves" being made by flat earth posters, they are simply annoying like atheists posting in Christian subs or Christian's proselytizing in atheist subs are annoying. If you want to post about the subject, post about it in your own sub rather than spamming your views on others who don't care about it or don't want to hear about it.
Flat earth posters are exactly like drag queens demanding access to children or trannies demanding access to women's restrooms... they are not satisfied to be left alone to freely debate and research amongst themselves in the appropriate place, they feel entitled to shove their beliefs in everyone else's faces. It is farcical.
Simulation theory is just religious theory for "atheists". It is a religious cosmology that claims to be "scientific" because they replace God with computers/aliens/etc. and creation with a computer program. It is religion without morals, enjoyed by nihilists, and utterly pointless to discuss beyond the basic thought experiment of it that was not novel when it was contemplated by ancient philosophers.
"Hollow Earth" is just like "Flat Earth" except its proponents are not so monomaniacally obsessive and don't take themselves so seriously.
What a total crock of shit.
This is nothing like censoring TD.
No one is trying to prevent FE from spreading. Do you hear how fucking stupid you sound?
It’s not that you’re a huge asshole. You’re just dumb.
You’re a sophist, a fed shill, and too mentally defective to be allowed to post here. Fuck off forever.
It really isn’t. It’s just mental illness. A joke, preying on a purposeful misinterpretation of the “stupidity” of the past.
Because proven falsehoods have no place at a philosophical round table.
Because “not allowing lies to be spammed” is not “censorship” and because flat earth video content is quite evidently visible in youtube’s algorithm, so it isn’t shadowbanned.
Maybe that should give you a clue.
I love that you’re shitting your pants in terror because you’re going to be permanently banned now.
I won't get banned. Also, don't talk to me pedo trash.
Animal posts would be fine here if it was a conspiracy in some way. There are conspiracies about car engines that get insane mpg but are covered up to sell more oil. You could make a post about how the courts purposefully favor women. There's all kinds of technology conspiracies like certain technology waves being harmful to the body.
And having the conspiracy theory that the governments and space programs are covering up a flat Earth for some reason is still a legit conspiracy theory, no matter how retarded it is.
Leave it to the furry to actively recognize the operative point while still missing it entirely. It’s like getting a hole in one by hitting the ball onto a different hole’s, er, hole.
Nice counter argument, you sure showed me!
It literally wasn’t a counterargument. But you know all about putting things in the wrong hole, so I’m not surprised you don’t know what you’re even saying.
It is literally not legitimate anyway. It is a complete fabrication.
Your example of the car could be a legitimate conspiracy if it could be proven, or evidence found that indicates it's true. Stated without evidence it's weak and should be challenged.
FE is already fully disproven for a very very long time. All evidence for it is completely fabricated and assumptive, and often it is outright lies and misrepresentations of the facts - this is clearly done in bad faith. Maybe the people presenting it do not realize this, maybe they didn't come up with it - but they (attempt to) defend it like they came up with it.
This board is for conspiracies of any kind, whether true or outright lies. At least that's what I assume since 90% of the posts here are garbage. Therefore FE fits in quite nicely with everything else here.
But like trying to argue with a FEer or a theist, I see you won't change your mind or listen to logic.
it's no 90% but lets pretend like it is for sake of argument. This board is for conspiracy theories and conspiracy facts. FE is neither. When it's banned, then only 80% will be garbage, and maybe that raising of standards will have a knock on effect and reduce that percentage even more, naturally as people will post better things. This is an attempt to improve things. Or perhaps you actually come here to wallow in shit? If so you could simply find somewhere else to do that.
I would second a motion to ban MGTOW posts here also. They have nothing to do with conspiracies.
Yes, because the topic is beyond retarded and a complete waste of absolutely everyone's time, including those who promote it. The link in the sidebar would be more than fair and more than it deserves.
My time to waste. Why with your censorship? This place is fine without rules, your personal rules. Get it?
I remove spam, bots, trolls, the fucking Saviour etc. Now I'm proposing removing somethin equally unpleasant, annoying and contrary to the flourishing of this forum.
I liked the savior dude. The most original beggar. Piss on us and tell us it's raining.
You’ve never won an argument and everything you say is inauthentic.
no I am butt hurt that I wasted time communicating with you. I want to save the precious few genuine users we have here (and myself) from the temptation to engage with that genuinely demoralizing and pointless experience. There is an entire community they can go to engage with such destructive behavior.
So don't argue with them. You don't ban them.
Where is this "flat earth forum sliding" you're talking about? I don't see it.
FE conspiracy has existed for years, so has this forum, you want to ban an opinion because it's "destructive"?
This is how censorship starts. The red line is banning obscene content and spam, do not cross that red line.
Tbh you are wasting time engaging with a group of shills.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking their arguments are genuine, or that they care about reason or debates.
If anything, use this post to ban users in favor of FE content. Easiest thing you can do to maintain the integrity of the site.
What’s the worst case scenario? A few useful idiots get washed to sea? Let them go out with the tide, I say.
Good riddance, if anything.
low iq people usually have the biggest and most frail egos. You find this to be true of the biggest anti flat Earth proponents.
Well thanks for admitting it's censorship
Let me ask you, should someone who says transwomen are women be taken seriously? Should their right to assert such be defended by free speech absolutists? If you said they were flat out wrong, are you biased? If you don't accept their assertion, is that your own idea? Or is some evil three letter agency denying transwomens' right to existence?
FE is like the tranny agenda. It demands you accept the blatant assertion of a falsehood as an irrefutable truth or fact. The earth's approximate shape is like the two sexes of mammals - obvious facts of the physical world. There is still some mystery to both, but it's not in their existence; the mystery is in where they come from, why they are.
Lmao, flat earth is about the only thing dumb enough to make "trans women are women" seem reasonable by comparison!
how are you this stupid?
You think the earth is flat bro.
You’ve renounced your right to have a seat at the table with this discussion and will now be ignored forever on every topic. You’re worthless.
retarded to you, but not to the millions who believe the earth is flat
Who are retarded, not human beings, and have no right to post here. And no, millions don’t.
oh, so you are the master of here? you can say who has right to post and not? what ever, i sure as heck do not give one crap what you think ... and yes, MILLIONS DO
Nope. Millions don’t believe a proven government hoax. It’s not real. We have no obligation to allow it to be spammed here.
MILLIONS?!?!? (Of retards?) - are you boosted?
Lots of people got boosted.
BILLIONS OF EM!!!
Should we let them take over the forum?
if you are this low iq, how are you even interested in conspiracies?
It’s a speech act, and therefore censorship is fine.
Posting FE garbage is not that different from yelling fire in a theatre.
It’s not restricting your freedom of speech because yelling fire in a theatre is not about speech, it’s an ACTION designed to have destructive effect.
They post FE because of the effect it has on the site (a very negative effect).
Speech act is very different from speech.
People come here to discuss ideas. The disruptive actions of flat earthers hamper those efforts, and purposefully so.
There is no productive conversation to be had with FE shills.
In the words of 'the Dude', "that's just like... your opinion... man."
Its not my opinion.
JSM, on Liberty:
It's your opinion that FE is different than other conspiracies on here.
FE is not a conspiracy.
It’s a viscous psychological operation designed to disrupt an increasingly fragmented free speech landscape and the anons who inhabit it.
Anyone who can’t see that is either:
A. Complete fucking imbecile and useful idiot.
B. A shill and/or bot.
You are too dumb to talk about this topic. We should ban low iq tards who are holding back humanity instead.
oh, you are so almighty and righteous ... must be so special ... parents must be so proud
I just talk 40 mins with my mom. She loves me a lot. Imagine how much nicer your life would be if you were like me instead of like you
i'm on your side, geeze
It is censorship
Fuck that. You guys sound like a bunch terrified children.
Holy shit a 2 year old handshake!
🚨 🚨 🚨 REAL USER ALERT 🚨 🚨 🚨
what is that? a handshake account?
Of course it is.
What you suggest is literally the textbook definition of censorship.
Are you censored when you’re told it’s illegal to yell fire in a crowded theatre?
FE is not a legitimate discourse or debate.
It’s a psyop.
Stop defending a psyop.
You're an idiot
Yelling fire when there isn't one causes serious consequences to people and is highly disruptive. Having a conversation about FE does not disrupt anyone's lives through the mere words of saying "the Earth is flat."
Neither is the vast majority of posts on this board.
In the context of the political environment where .win servers are located….
There is obvious potential for harm.
Anyone who defends FE is suspect. You are suspect.
No there isn't.
Anyone who defends antivaxxers is suspect. Report them to your local authorities immediately. There is obvious potential harm from these people daring to question the safe and effective covid vaccines.
I don’t support any topic being banned from here.
Wait, you mod-removed your own post? Or is the auto-filter being really aggressive? This happened to the other post to which I replied earlier, too. I didn’t think it warranted removal (unless it was only because it was a top level comment that wasn’t a vote).
yes, top level comment with no yay or nay are being removed. if they edit it to insert the word like I ask I'm reapproving.
What about Spam? Pornography? Cons?
Flat earth is spam.
Another great FE proof!
You have a con to sell?
This is a conspiracy forum.
So perhaps ban anything that is not related to conspiracies, or anything that is illegal, like inciting violence or creating weapons, dear god like codys lab's video about making a few bullets out of his urine. I remember when you could find plenty of youtube videos about making your pipe guns years ago, but those days are long gone.
Should flat earth threads be banned? If we ban the threads, do we ban the comments? If we ban the comments, should we start banning anything that we dont agree with?
If they start getting spammed, merge them or delete them, warn/ban the user, whatever.
But if people want to discuss what they think, I think thats fine.
Ive said some stupid shit before and its only after saying it have I realized I was wrong. Weird how that works.
Sometimes its not a instantaneous thing either, the brain is a weird thing and it takes time to process stuff.
I find the only true flat earthers are the ones who believe in the modern bible literally, who literally are living on faith.
I think in situations like that, if they are happy with their lives, they should be let be. No need to rip them for having the courage to have a different take on reality.
Like ive said many times before, im actually quite jealous of religious people. I tend to believe the more older, "pagan" ones are closer to the truth though.
atheism is anti science religious fundamentalism
All sounds fine. Why can't they have that Convo on c/ FlatEarthResearch
It was started by a guy who seems sincere.
More like a narcissism/Dunning Kruger combo. I'll make no assumptions about their intellect other than the fact that they ain't astronauts. Or pilots. Or mathematicians. Or physicists.
OK they're janitors, so what.
My iq is 137. I've done the research to find out the Earth is not a spinning ball flying through space.
pulling the IQ card shows your hand. You are just insecure. with flat earth as a derealisation hobby.
I should know, I once was you.
You was once a genius? I doubt that.
That's an interesting term
FEers never seem to realize they are wrong. Many times they are actively lying in the things they say, in the arguments they provide to "prove" the earth is flat. Maybe for some it is blind faith, but for the hard core ones who create the fake proofs, they must know they are lying because they actively misrepresent things to fit their flat earth assertion - they adjust distances and elevation numbers to fit, they use the incorrect equations, misquote historical things , assert a thing should be like a certain way without giving a reason why - it happens all the time. It's a psyop being pushed with malicious intent. There are those pushing it, and those that have been taken in by the pushers.
I don't push anything. Nor do I knowingly or actively lie, or doctor links I present here to fit a specific narrative or to get a reaction. This is a pretty stupid attempt to present yourself as some sort of objective observer of this forum. You come here exclusively to troll. It's such a bizarre and pathetic way to spend ones time on the internet.
I think it's about time for a fresh account for you.
You push what the rich inbred pedos want you to push. How can you be interested in conspiracies and not know who controls the world
whataboutisms should be banned
This topic gets amazing engagement which handled properly could grow the community. Are you honestly saying the topics of spam, pornography, etc. should be banned? Or, is it low quality instances of these topics? Obviously, it's the latter.
The solution is more high quality moderation, not shooting the community in the foot with misused banning powers.
Counterpoint: this .win gets some very interesting topics. When I used to try to engage here it was difficult to scroll through all the FE posts, and in a convo decidedly NOT about FE, somebody would always have to try to bring it up.
Amazing yes, but amazingly stupid. I rarely look here since.
Completely understandble. That user should have been restrained, not all users.
It's never been a single user, always the topic itself.
Would you also vote to ban guns thinking it would reduce the violent actions of men?
There is simply no such thing as a high-quality FE post, even from the stand point of defending it as a topic. FE posts are by definition made in complete ignorance and are of extremely low quality. This post, my motion to ban FE, is probably the highest quality FE as a topic discussion post that there has been on this forum.
In a struggle between honesty and dishonesty, the only way to win for the honest is to stay honest against the struggle; the only way to win for the dishonest is to claim victory.
If the yays have it, expect congratulations on your victory.
The people telling you not to ban it are either useful idiots or shills.
You are so correct that he should just not count the nays because of this obvious fact.
Are you saying you want me to remove the shitty low effort posts? Many users do want this. Those posts are reported all the time. I don't remove them because of the free speech thing. It will only be my opinion what is low effort.
My position is FE posts specifically don't deserve that courtesy because those posts are a specifically destructive and toxic obscenity for this community in the long run. It's a specific topic that is always wrong, no matter what angle to come at it from. And they try and insert it into every other topic. It's a cult and FE people are members of that cult trying to convert new people.
It is not hypocritical because there may be some inkling of truth in a shitty low effort post, or a good discussion may result from it. Or they may give people a laugh.
FE are less than low quality, and it's not even funny to see people believing it or trying to engage with it. It's only destructive, toxic, false, malignant bullshit. It's sad and wrong that people get taken in by it. And in general engaging with it in anyway way ends up encouraging it, supporting it. If it wasn't allowed here that would make this place far better.
Please remove this guy from a mod position
Yes. Pornography unrelated to conspiracy. In other words, spam. I can see myself posting something about nazi imagery within trans pornography, and I wouldn't want that banned.
FE posting is like a user coming here to make posts asserting that transwomen are women. If someone came here and constantly made such posts, was abusive to all who argued against their false assertions, inserted the trans agenda into every other topic, called all respondents liars and claimed victory in every argument despite how much they get owned - the reports would be fast and furious. Everyone would demand that the ridiculous troll with the trans agenda be banned. Every single user here arguing about free speech would demand that troll be banned. No-one would defend their free speech.
Hi, I blew the Whistle on Google. Google is already using the CIA flat-earth psyop as justification to shut down YouTube content.
They are going to come after conspiracies.win sooner or later for this same reason. It's time to kick off the flat-earth agents spamming this site. We need to discuss real conspiracy theories without seeing CIA psyop flat earth spam.
No matter how many times you disprove the flat-earth psyop the intel agents will continue to push it.
So knowing the playbook, I vote yay to ban this content.
We need a forum to talk about real conspiracies, not a CIA bullshit psyop that the globalists will use to shut this place down.
Youtube has scrubbed some weird ass shit.
The "satanic bloodlines origin video" being one of them. Totally obliterated.
But you can find about 100,000 flat earth videos :|. I dont think its going anywhere.
-edit- Managed to find one copy on youtube of the video I am thinking of, there used to be tons of copies though.
This right here
If true, the CIA (or whatever three letter agency) will just target a new topic, yeah?
Why put locks on your doors if robbers will just try to break the windows anyway? You are the most inorganic commenter I have ever seen.
Idk if I believe that you are the whistleblower…
But I think everything you’re saying is common sense.
It’s obviously a psyop aimed at somehow hurting this site or preventing effective discourse about relevant political topics.
Anons have been strategically targeted. People here are in many ways digital refugees and anyone with even a decent memory realizes the influx of FE content is not natural or organic.
They are targeting the few platforms that allow for open political discourse.
Not banning this shit would be an epic mistake.
I swear this account sounds suspiciously similar to the mod lmao
You are part of the pedo fed psy op. You are working for them for free.
This sub isn't about only conspiracies we like. That's what reddit is for, and why we are here.
Lies have no place here.
FE is not a conspiracy
How is it not? If believers are correct, then the scale and scope necessary to hide this reality makes even JFK's assassination pale by comparison.
If it's a psy-op, then it's an operation implemented to discredit free thought and on a significant scale.
Either way, I think it qualifies a full blown conspiracy worth examination.
Believers are objectively not correct. You’re too stupid to have a seat at the table on this topic.
That’s shill logic.
You’re glowing, dipshit.
The believers are not correct in any way. There is nothing to it but ignorance and malicious intent. But if you want to investigate it and share your "research" (lmao), there is a dedicated community for that. There are many in fact.
I respectfully disagree. Perhaps there was one or two members here with bad intentions.
Also, flat earthers, despite failing to prove to me that earth is flat, have successfully convinced me NASA is a fucking scam and half what NASA does is fake as fuck, like that DART mission blowing up an asteroid.
Also, stuff like this is related to flat earth and i thought this was a great compilation of space being fake. https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/16a9qQAMme/bloopers-in-space/c
Some flat earther pissed you off. Don't punish all of them.
And I’ve always thought you were a suspect account, vlad.
The entire theory that the atmosphere just stays attached to planet because of gravity and the entire vacuum of space doesn't disperse all those air particles is strange. It makes the globe theory seem kind of bogus.
Also, we orbit the sun and the moon orbits us but we only ever see one side of the moon? That doesn't seem kind of bogus to you? Bunch of spinning balls orbiting around each other but you only see one side of the moon/globe?
Also, the navigation coordinates not working as well in southern hemisphere? maybe true maybe not. Worth investigating more.
Also, all the conditions for life are just too precise and in perfect range. The perfect temperature and air composition and forces at play. The entire big bang theory sounds like magical explosion bullshit to me. Intelligent Design and Creation is more plausible considering accounts of people's after life experiences when they flatlined and came back.
Also, there's so much evidence that moon landing is faked, space satellites and ISS faked, videos of them supposedly in space faked, man how much of a stretch is it to question the models of space and the galaxy?
The easiest proof against the flat earth theory is that you can fly from western hemisphere to eastern hemisphere going either direction, east or west, indicating a globe or circle back again. from cali to hong kong going west or from new york to hong kong going east. How does that work with ice barrier wall in the way?
Also the sunrise and sunset. I don't see sun moving to distance and fading away. It sets on the horizon. It appears at the horizon. It didn't just appear from distance or fade into distance like an airplane.
I'm also not convinced of the firmament or dome. Evidence they present is really sketchy and not convincing. Supposed rockets skipping off firmament or the firmament being water? It's interesting but i'm not convinced yet.
It's actually good to question all this stuff though. You know my children pop quiz me with questions all the time? I don't always have the answers but I like their inquisitive and innocent childish bewilderment toward the world they are newer to.
Just hoping to share some info:
It’s not (solely) “because of gravity”. There are a lot of factors at play such as viscosity, density, friction, etc. Please check this out for an overview:
And more specifically:
Strange, certainly but the standard explanation (relative co-relational rotation) fits, and this doesn’t really have any bearing on the shape of the earth. (Lunar) Tides wouldn’t work on a flat however.
Not a thing afaik. This would be common knowledge.
Very interesting subject highly worthy of discussion:
But in no way relavent to the FE discussion
A massive one until you can present any kind of evidence or cohesive explanation
I agree, the issue is the people who a)present it as fact and b) always try to shoehorn FE into every discussion - that is literally forum sliding , whether intentional (conscious) or not
Watch out for predators. Many have developed agressive mimicry:
Shill confirmed. Thanks.
FE are very vocal about NASA fakery because it's their most successful grooming technique. There exists perfectly rational, plausible and likely, non-FE explanations for every NASA fake there is. But it's not all the same 1 FE reason. In reality if there is one over-arching true reason for all their fakes it's to keep the massive amounts of funding pouring in. NASA has been like that from the start, when they were given a ridiculous amount of money to perform a mission they already knew was impossible - well, impossible in the way they had been planning.
FE grooming. The dumbest drop on the internet today.
That's exactly what it is. Pretty proud of it actually. You're probably jealous you didn't come up with it.
No. Punish them all.
The useful idiots get to go down with the ship, but they shouldn’t bring the rest of the crew with them.
But that’s your opinion and not theirs.
You have reached a conclusion based upon your own research and personal biases/beliefs. Others have reached different conclusions.
Personally I feel both sides present good and bad arguments
The point of this forum is to discuss and review topics in the conspiracy realm and not ban topics you personally don’t agree with.
What I’m seeing now is one of the few forum mods using ”reasearch” (lmao)” to dismiss something they don’t like.
That’s a little concerning, and a little “Reddit” don’t you think?
Imagine if this board became an extension of the Q psyop - flat earth is similar in the sense that it isn’t “just another conspiracy” where people debate facts back and forth, it’s instead more like a religion (just like Q worship). You can spend hours explaining the semi-complex information required to explain whatever phenomena is mystifying them in that post - but like jelly they slip through the fingers of your rational argument, and just shift the goalposts to some other phenomena they’re baffled by, which again requires multiple hours of in depth explanation. Usually, only to revert to their original stances the next morning, as if they didn’t have the first memory about the previous days conversation.
In 95% of cases it’s not argued in good faith, even if the person arguing it isn’t literally a bot or shill
atheism is the pedo fed psy op religion
I think you have nailed something square on the head.
What I think it worth looking at is the unusual and aggressive support FE gets from some people, and also the unusual and aggressive push-back.
Look at some of the discussion in just this thread. It’s a train wreck.
There is definitely some fuckery going on with FE, and I’m not sure what it is. What I’m sure of, is that it gets people really pissed off for some reason, and that’s what piques my interest.
I think there really is something to the notion... here’s a post I made a while back, you might be interested in (funnily enough, I didn’t even connect it to FE at the time, but it really is applicable):
I left out a key part of this discussion, the link to the so called “Great Awakening”, which combines all of these aspects into one:
Modern ideologies (such as marxism, libertarianism, MAGAism, etc) have, in reference to the massive success of religious ideologies and their framework, constructed themselves as if they are religions.
What do I mean by this?
An all encompassing nature - religion is so sturdy because it attempts to provide a framework for every interaction between you and the rest of the world. Every person you meet, every word you hear from someone else, every thing you experience, you filter through your “belief framework”. In the past, this was basically limited to morality judgements “is this thing righteous or not?”
So even if your religious book(s) didn’t explicitly mention the scenario you find yourself in, religions offer enough “structure” such that any experience you undergo can be fed to this structure and an answer can be produced.
Modern political ideology has come to understand this, and has constructed itself such that now your political ideology can supplant your religious ideology, as your political ideology now can encompass your religious ideology and all the structure and function it provides (atleast, the political ideologies attempt this, I don’t think they’ve yet succeeded, which imo is why people who solely exercise a political ideology seem so schitzophrenic and unanchored in their beliefs/opinions).
These people are no different than “super fans” who go to “cons” to “LARP”, except the Harry Potter nerds have some slight degree of plausible deniability.
How does that not meet your needs?
It's got nothing to do with my needs. It has to do with censoring ideas which one disagrees with. It's literally why this forum exists.
If we start banning topics and forcing users into alternate subs like c/FlatEarthResearch , it starts to stink like Reddit and r/TheDonald. Once all the contaminating opinions and users are safely confined to their special place on the site...wham-bam close the sub and ban the users. They did it with r/TD and r/FatPeopleHate to start with, and now any voice that doesn't parrot Stalinism is suddenly gone from Reddit.
I've used Reddit since the Digg migration, and I've used .win since Axolotl started this forum. If we start banning topics mods don't like then I think it's time the actual users who contribute content move on and find something better.
It can't possibly, not when you can discuss that idea to the exclusion of all others to your heart's content right on this platform.
So your concern has nothing to do with the OP, you're just worried about it spreading to everything else. Got it, and thank you for your honesty.
I know nothing about the OP / mod, and will not vouch for him; however, I DO know a great deal about our admin and the fact that they're committed to there not being "reddit power mods." The concern you're expressing would be rooted out diligently. I can't say admin would act quickly on it, that depends on them seeing it first. Sometimes they've acted very quickly to user concerns, furnishing the solution in less than an hour. Other times they haven't seen it for days.
I'm confident that even if this one mod wanted to do what you fear, he couldn't.
Your comparing this to Reddit says that you know nothing about .win.
Here’s another fake account trying to present some nuanced FE take.
Such a fucking joke.
Go away forever. You have no business here. You are mentally defective and brainwashed by communists.
Guess what, that's what liberals say about us NoNewNormal people. As such we aren't given a chance to present our case on mainstream sites. Since FE is so ignorant (it is) then just debunk it, or ignore it.
They can't debunk it. That's why they are talking about censorship. They can't protect their feelings from the truth in any other way except removing the truth.
that's also the reason for all the name calling ... that's all they have
You should follow your gut instinct here, and not the whim of these intellectually stunted inbreds.
The shills will ensure that FE perspective gets astroturfed here, in defense of “free speech”.
Can’t yell fire in a theatre. Posting flat earth here isn’t much different. It’s about the action, not the words.
Post your iq. You sound about 60
right, its fact ;)
do your research and you will see how so
Says who? You? Because liberals say covid is extremely dangerous and that the vaccines are safe and effective. Therefore they ban any talk that goes against that. We shouldn't become like liberals, we should welcome all conspiracies, even the retarded ones.
i was loving your post until the last 4 words
You don't think we should welcome retarded conspiracy theories? Because if that's your feeling then 90+% of the posts here should be removed.
. Most people don't know about the FE community and /or don't use it.
Bigfoot is just as ridiculous to newbies as FE.
Censorship sucks, especially since the posts might be by newbies or people who forgot the ban rules.
If you want, you can update the rules to suggests FE got to FE community. And comment in any posts that they might want to post in FE for a deeper discussion.
You can steer the posts to FE comm without being ban happy. There aren't even many FE posts and comments anymore compared to when that one guy used to post daily in the beginning.
Slippery slope. Once this topics is banned, others will follow.
Normies and newbies would be just as disgusted by Sandy hook posts.
You can make it clear in the rule list that FE is not supported by the community but not censored, so that newbies know the community is not FE.
Read the text carefully. A link to the FE community will be provided in the sidebar menu.
Slippery slope. Next it will be Sandy hook, alex jones, Las Vegas banned. Why not ban users that post about Big Foot and skin walkers? Those are also absurd according to our current understanding of the world.
I'm not saying that you would start banning other topics, but maybe other mods/future mods will.
Does Hollow earth fall under FE? Or Electronic universe?
You are a great mod, very active and helpful... but in this instance, you have been very clear that you want to ban users who post (or comment!! ) about it because you personally don't believe in the topic. So that is a bit .... Over reaching.
No. You want spam removed? Pornography? Evil trolls who think nothing is a conspiracy, and only come here just to berate everyone? FE is in that same category. It's demoralizing spam. It's not a conspiracy. It's off-topic. No users would be permanently banned unless they kept flouting the rule. FE posts would be removed though.
Im starting to believe in flat earth more and more because of the censorship
Congratulations, you’re a brain damaged subhuman communist who fell for the propaganda exactly as you were told to. You’re a textbook COINTELPRO shill.
then you are simply an unthinking contrarian. Perhaps you also support pedophilia? Snuff? Con artists who con the elderly out of their savings? These are some other examples of groups affected by censorship.
No i told you what i think
And you’re objectively incorrect, so why should anyone care about you and your feelings in the face of unflinching truth?
Quit pushing your opinions on everyone else. It is clear that this subject scares you that doesn't mean that nobody should be able to mention it. Stop acting like a child.
It's not an opinion that the earth is not flat, it is a fact. Stop making ridiculous strawman arguments and wise up.
What the hell do those have to do with conspiracies? FE is a conspiracy theory, just like germ theory denial. Porn, spam, pedophilia, snuff, etc. are not conspiracy subjects, so your attempt at an analogy is nonsensical.
lol, leave it to the child raping queer to take offense to this specific post.
I was banned from Patriots dot win because those mods thought that criticism of jew bankers was "demoralizing spam."
I say ban members on individual basis but don't broadly ban the entire topic.
I rather flat earthers share there evidence here than in a separate subforum. Thanks for hearing me out and putting it up for vote.
Exactly. Most of the stuff posted on this board is bullshit. It's not right to ban only one subject; we shouldn't ban any! Spam and pornography are not conspiracy subjects, so that's an idiotic rebuttal.
The lack of self awareness you demonstrate would be laughable if it weren’t for the horrific state of society it indicates
Die, you subhuman piece of shit.
Let nature take its course. The beauty of this place is that it's free.
Fuck flat earth shills
You don't get paid for telling the truth. People who talk about the reality of the shape of the Earth don't get paid. We get rediculed by stupid people who believe the satanic lies instead of their own senses. There is nothing to be gained from telling the truth about the flat Earth, other than gaining the truth.
Your mistake [prejudice] is in assuming all people with an interest in the subject are automatically shills :(
This will become a flat earth forum. Then when I'm nowhere to be found people will be lamenting all the fucking bullshit that gets posted here that no one is removing. FE Is a time sink designed to demoralize those who see it or engage with it. it's the Cass Sunstein project in action. It 's very clever because it relies on peoples love of free speech to remain.
I block them all and hide every thread after I've reviewed it - makes for a peaceful forum
Let's at least wait a bit more and see how it goes. I actually understand your position very well. You are afraid that it will basically ruin the forum by dissuading the new comers and repulsing some of the old ones and then we end up with a completely flat earth forum talking to themselves.
Additionally, due to the contentious content, it may cause more flare-ups and posts that require moderation giving you more headaches
If I may, I would like to propose another solution:
-First, it might not be as bad as you are seeing it now and projecting it for the future, they may have had an increased activity due to the balloon thing. Maybe it will calm down a bit later. If it increases to the extent that most of the hot posts end up all FE then you can take drastic action.
-Second, as an unorthodox solution. Whenever a flat earther spams too many posts about it on daily basis and keeps fighting with everyone etc.. You just send them a template copy paste text on how they should minimize their "activism", not because you are censoring or that you think they are pricks and such, but because this would drive away new comers to this forum and they would end without an audience or anyone to preach to. If they continue then maybe they are indeed feds. (Basically, censorship but minimal to keep them in check)
-Third, if you are the only one doing the modding I can imagine how hard it must be doing this since you are not getting paid by the hour. You might want to experiment with adding mods on your side, maybe multiple part time ones.
Good point about the balloon, perhaps it's a flair up.
2nd point - rational engagement with a FE poster, asking them to tone down anything, will make them post more. Try engaging with them yourself, present a rational response to some assertion they make. My experience is they are completely ignorant assholes who don't deserve any molly-coddling. And their seeming interest in any other topics is a façade to promote FE. Rational engagement is a complete fail with these people, or at least beyond my capabilities.
3rd - yes perhaps right. I don't have the ability to appoint a mod though.
You have a solid point there which no one can argue with, many people say nigger and such which in essence is not different if not worst than flat earth for a normie. I guess It depends on the audience one is targeting.
If it comes to me and if I were the mod, I would not censor anyone for their ideas. Last few days was actually the first time I looked into flat earth and I learned a lot from our conversations. The Flat Earth model is not as preposterous as it first seems, you have everything worked out. If Flat Earth was relegated to a link on the side I would have never clicked it and learned anything.
Thank you for all the time you have given, I will always be grateful. All the best.
Nay. Censorship is gay. I don't need anyone else deciding anything for me.
Can't say I wasn't expecting FE to get censored, as it does all over the net. Although I am surprised you are taking it to a vote (hopefully with no bot accounts.) Thanks to all the feds or their associates who provided a relatively uncensored forum (honeypot) up to this point. Anyone who votes yay is no better than the NPC authoritarian left. The conciquence of free speech is sometimes you have to hear a lot of shit you dont like, but its better than being told what is OK. Have fun living in your sci-fi universe.
Round earthers are the most retarded of the bunch. Me, I dont give a shit, I think the FE topic is interesting. But the round earth crowd goes nuts over what other people think. Makes it odd in itself. Did the owner of the site get the "call"? Voting on censorship?
Ya lets say the FE crowed got it all wrong and the earth is what NASA says it is... imagine trying to keep a nation of obedient sheep with a growing number who won't even trust the government on the shape of the earth. Even if you think FE is retarded, people should at least appreciate that FE's are impossible for the NWO to govern. I have never heard of a single FE who took the covid shot for example, and they all understand what the federal reserves actual purpose is. Once you begin censoring it never stops. Sounds like I'm preaching to the choir though.
Got the call to censor the dangerous flat earth theory?
Do you hear yourself. Fucking retard.
It is retarded. Look at this thread. Your response as well.
FE brings out the strongest divide for some reason. Round earthers suddenly care what other people think, loudly.
It’s almost like people are sick of your feigned stupidity and shilling bullshit.
Lol. Not mine, this place is nothing but a smoke break.
How the hell does FE do this? Why care? So loudly? I like looking at shit and deciding for myself. I dont want a mod telling me what is approved to look at.
I'm almost positive Iknowitsu is the mods account. They sound very similar.
because globetards are children who don't trust their own senses. That's the whole point of the globe Earth delusion. To make adults give up their own senses and trust the rich pedos to think for them instead. Globetards are conformists who hate being challenged.
Blah blah blah fuck you and your subversive psyop.
Get fucked retard.
Youtube is absolutely riddled with flat earthers. It's not censored on any of the major social media platforms at all. unsurprising you have made a completely false assertion. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Straight out of the horse's mouth, proof FE is algorithmicly censored: https://youtu.be/9uJX6Gv8XrM
Also, this is constantly happening to pro FE content creators (account bans, or loss of access). https://youtu.be/BCZUNNC_LzQ
1st video: indicates the videos have a warning label. That happens to many videos on youtube. They are not removed. Not censorship. And they do get promoted, she is lying.
2nd video is a flat earther so completely unreliable for factual information.
Treating content differently in any way is censorship, there are degrees. If you search fe on youtube all the top results are debunkers and fags like professor Dave.
With the 2nd video I've been following that guy Terry for years. He's on his 3rd channel as far as I know. Why the heck did he get banned if it's just a silly theory. He doesn't cuss or have any sexual content, it's super PG
FE is spam and should be treated as such. It's not conspiracy content. It designed to demoralize and mislead and waste people's time in investigating or arguing about. I'm sorry that you follow that guy, it's complete waste of your life. He's probably forgetting the passwords to his channels or something. No one needs to completely censor FE because it so dumb. But it does need to cleaned up and contained so we can have nice things.
You know how many vaccinated and boosted NPCs I've heard say "so we can have nice things."
Lol, I remember how hard it was to have my ball stolen away as a kid. Very traumatic
Ya most of it is ruined for me as well. Did ya check out top gun 2? I gave it a shot because so many people said it was good. But 20 sec in they put some blantant earth curve propaganda to remind all the plebs.
Google actively promotes it. It’s one of the few things that isn’t banned by any jewish source, which tells you it’s a hoax.
"Google actively promotes it"
None of the videos are banned from YouTube, and if you visit one or two, they’ll begin to show up in the suggestion algorithm, proving that they’re also not shadowbanned.
Meanwhile, literally anything about jews, white nationalism, and anti-faggotry (et. al.) is banned on YouTube.
Lol, which thread? Well maybe if they ban FE content we can get a pre-approved list of conspiracies.
Nay Who cares, it's the internet. Just skip the posts. Why do people here get so worked up about this when Neil Degrasse Tyson, the most anti-flat earth scientist there is, has told everyone multiple times that the Earth is not round, it's an oblate spheroid? So how not round is it then? The conspiracy obviously is not whether it is flat or round. The conspiracy is that, according to mainstream scientists, it is both flat and round! So then what is the truth about the images of the Blue Marble NASA wants you to believe are real? Why doesn't someone just go up there and get a picture of the Round-Flat Earth so everyone can STFU? Yeah, something like a conspiracy I guess.
u/clemaneuvers Please ignore this ‘nay’ when doing the counting. The speaker has openly admitted not to actually care about the topic and therefore has no business speaking on the matter of its inclusion.
My sides! You sound like a homeless lawyer! Did you read the rules for voting? Clear Nay. Not a handshake. Recent posts. Check, check, and check. Whether I care about it or not doesn't matter. And it shouldn't matter to you either. You're proving the point of my comment. If you don't like a post just move on to the next one! And if there's nothing for you to like then you're in the wrong place and you can take your ass to some other shitty message board. This shitty message board is obviously not for you.
It reveals exactly why you’re replying the way you are, so it directly matters.
This is you. You are not human. You do not get to have input in human society.
Enjoy being banned, flat earther.
I'm banned from the internet? The whole damn thing? Oh the humanity?! How will I ever survive? The only thing this reveals is that you're a dumbass and weird as fuck.
You’re too stupid to be here. Fuck off.
It's a conspiracy theory and they have compelling arguments whether you think their evidence and arguments successfully proves their case or not.
And I'm generally against censorship. Flat earth is a fair conspiracy theory whether true or false.
I think most people here who defend flat earth theory genuinely believe in it and are not just here to try to poison the well.
I appreciate you take the time to converse enough to see we are genuine.
No, it literally isn’t. Its continued posting in the face of having been disproven 3000 years ago is the only conspiracy, and that one is obvious already.
If you’re a first grader, maybe.
Truth isn’t a matter of opinion.
Uh… no. It’s objectively false, and therefore not a conspiracy theory.
So you want to set a precedent of banning every conspiracy theory that some authority figure here deems "false" ?
The "settled science" approach toward conspiracies?
The earth is a spinning ball moving 50,000 miles through space and you'll only ever see one side of the moon from Earth. We golfed on the moon! A blonde bimbo pulled the trigger and blew up an asteroid in the DART project! It's settled science!
You could just as easily claim Big Foot, Aliens, ancient giants, or anything else is a ridiculous conspiracy theory, get on your high horse and ban it.
The truth isn't always so obvious and flat earth theory is more prevalent throughout human history than you give it credit for. Are you claiming globe theory has consistently prevailed going back 3,000 years? I'll debate you on that point among others.
Flat earthers are like a poorly treated minority class on this forum. I'm not even one of them but still defend their right to argue their side even if it contradicts what is seemingly mostly horse shit fed to me by government schools and their monopolist textbook publishers owned by who knows, probably someone writing HIS-Story into the textbook.
Not what was said. You’re way better than this.
No, because those aren’t conspiracy theories. They’re just false. Whereas Earth is not flat, space is real, and we went to the Moon. These things are independently verifiable and irrefutably accurate.
Thanks for asserting something no one questioned.
I don’t give a shit about “prevailed.” Truth isn’t a matter of debate or opinion. It’s not a matter of consensus or even public knowledge. Earth is not flat. Reality is not what you (collectively, even) wish it to be.
Hence why they need to migrate somewhere else if they don’t want to continue to be beaten in to the fucking dust like the subhuman dregs they are.
They have no side. They’re federal agents spamming a proven hoax.
What do you think is some of the best evidence disproving their conspiracy?
The fact that the angular diameter of an object above a plane can never be negative, but the sun sets.
No from me. Down voting is enough.
It's not. The rot is setting in.
For perspective, how many flat earth posts are you seeing daily?
How about over the last few years, inclusive? They’re objectively false. It’s spam and well poisoning.
I 100% get what you are saying. I feel the exact same way the no plane WTC theories on 9/11. I also feel that way about Judy Wood's work with her 'directed energy weapons'. I think they are disinfo deliberately designed to nuke the entire movement. Unfortunately many here buy into such theories.
it's hard to say, someone up thread brought up the point the recent flair up could be balloon related. But I'm sorry to say, every post by a FE poster is an FE post even if they have posted some other topic. If you engage with them in the comments, it will very quickly lead back to the "ultimate conspiracy, FE". Plus, they post submissions on other topics from expressly FE content creators, and whatever the topic of the video, FE will brought up at some point, because it all leads back to FE, don't you know.
Then there is a user who has a repeatedly posted the Moon Hoax doc made by the Aulis.com people who are not FE, but the beginning of their doc has been cut, an FE message edited in, and a FE content creators logo emblazoned on. They literally clumsily cut the first 5 minutes of the doc to do that, and then it just starts almost mid sentence. I informed said poster of the issue, provided the Aulis peoples' link, he acknowledged it - and then a day or two later posted the same doctored documentary again.
FE posters don't deserve your patience or defense of their "free speech" - they are insidious malcontents here to infect your mind - similar to pornographers, child groomers or proponents of CRT. I'd like to help them see their way out of FE and I've tried, but they are ignorant assholes who can't be helped through internet discussion. They only take away from this place.
I feel your pain. Ultimately I'm pretty happy how this site is run, so whatever you decide I am sure is fine. Personally I am against censorship, but I don't have to moderate the site.
Personally I think antisemtism is a rot and it is ruining this entire website on all boards that allow it. But despite that I don't want it banned. I don't want FE banned either. The truth is not afraid of lies.
I suppose you are referring to the largest Moon Hoax group on Facebook that bans flat earthers? Yes, they gave me some inspiration for this. Those guys are really good researchers who have made some great and original discoveries in the moon-landing-hoax topic, and it's amazing they have held onto that group on Zuckbook for so long. They don't waste any time dealing with FE people in their group and it's a wise move. Genuine NASA fanboys go there to debate and sometimes get swayed by rational argument. That would never happen with FE drool cluttering up the comments.
Not for banning things, but glad the question was asked.
I don't like flat earth and yet I don't feel threatened by people posting stuff about it. Here's a fact: I've never been to space. So I cannot say I know the earth is flat or round. I just accept that the evidence for earth being a globe is much much more credible than every single thing I've seen trying to prove the earth is flat.
you absolutely don't need to go to space to know the earth is round. You can deduce it from the stand point of living on it and observing. It was worked out from the ground first, thousands of years before the "space age". Since then it has been further proven in numerous different ways by numerous different, unconnected people at different times independently, and those experiments and proofs done correctly will give the same, reproducible result even today. Such things happened long before even air-flight or satellites. No final proof was needed from the space age. There was no doubt. It is an objective truth that's known for certain for a very long time.
They were not theoretical arguments either, not merely evidence that indicates something - they are clear and precise deductions based on practical observations of ongoing phenomena, for which is no other satisfactory explanation. You can perform them yourself to check their validity and never need to go to space. It's the best type of science there is - Foccult's Pendulum for example - practical, reproducible and done correctly always gives the same predictable result. There is no conspiracy at all here. Only invented lies and waffle intended to waste time and discredit and delegitimize places where truth seekers gather.
You saying you cannot know the earth is round, when of course you can, is giving a boost to FEers. It is incorrect. Please reconsider this stance if it is the only basis for your NAY.
Yea. Every single thread on that topic is dominated by the same people making the same arguments and convincing nobody. The only purpose they serve is as slide threads.
If you're interested in a compromise, since there's a ton of naysayers in this thread, how about restricting all FE discussion to a megathread?
YAY. Put a link to FE community at the side bar to direct those who want to talk about it.
That's completely fair right? Their community will probably get a boost in traffic.
I think so. That way they will quickly find others who are really interested in that topic without having to uselessly waste time here and will be happy.
Does that make you a communist?
Contribute to the discussion (or continue not to lol). You’re a big reason this post is being made (I’m sure)
This is Herbert Marcuse's repressive tolerance in action. They are in fact communist. They do abide by a religion thats modeled on Christianity which replaces God with the state.
Thank you for reminding me about that. I need to distill it into a few paragraphs for an edit to my book.
I've literally asked people to vote on the topic. I will abide by the results of this vote. Perhaps I should have put that in OP.
Let's vote on calling a vote about calling a vote dud
Says the guy who wants to fuck children, you child grooming fed
discussion should always be 100% free
A link to the FE community will be provided in the sidebar should the motion pass - they will probably get a boost in traffic.
How about we move all the globetard anti flat Earth posts to their own community instead? You can all sit around pretending to spin through space on a giant ball, and you wouldn't have to be upset at anyone who doesn't agree with you anymore.
Nay. No topic should be banned. Just ignore it, if you don't like it. There are plenty of things I just skim over because I don't care or outright disagree but don't feel like arguing. Banning a topic is censorship and we don't need that here, imo.
I yet again inform that a link to the dedicated community will be provided. If I didn't remove the spam for example people would be peeved. FE is a form of spam.
I would also like said list so that I know what I can freely speak about.
How about just not spamming things that are proven falsehoods. It’s not that hard for someone who
wow, much insightful. Let's get the pedos in next to talk about the conspiracy to suppress their sexuality. Or the CRT people to post about the conspiracy to suppress their racism. So many interesting conspiracies out there. so entertaining. everything is a conspiracy when you are open minded enough. and of course, they all lead back to flat Earth, the ultimate conspiracy.
I wish I could watch you all googly eyed next time they pull a stunt like launching a Tesla into orbit. You must have loved that BS.
Nay. FE is gay but retards can be downvoted or blocked
As a moderator I can't block users.
EDIT: I mean, I can, but I don't because it would be wrong of me to do so.
Doesn't matter. FE posts slide the forum. Imagine your first visit to conspiracies.win. If you saw FE stuff all over the front page, would you stay?
FE is not a conspiracy, it's disinformation.
NAY If you want to ban FE than how about the political shills who pollute this place worse than all the FE people combined. There are a couple completely useless posters who are just fronts for media, intel, etc
No worse than FE imo.
See the meme above, it's actually very succinct explanation. God bless anons.
God bless the anons? You mean ban them, right? 🤔
Yep, fuck off if you support proven government hoaxes.
FE is not viable.
Well you're assuming rockets go where they say they go. Just for example, it's fairly certain the Saturn rockets never left LEO, and simply crashed into the middle of the pacific. So the highest photo they could have obtained would not have been able to frame the entire earth anyway. Yet they presented photos of the entire earth at that time, as if they were taken from space after the rocket got there.
So those fake images were made to convince people the rocket travelled into space, not to convince people the earth is flat. You see that scenario is very plausible, but the FE scenario is profoundly retarded. I hope that helps.
There have been independent rocket makers that have done just that and their videos show the curve of the earth developing as they get higher. No, they are not distorted, no they are not lying. I am correct in my estimation that FE is retarded and this forum is lucky to have me.
I hate abrasive FE comments. But this site is great because people can say things other people dont want to hear.
Nay. No censorship should be done on this site.
idealistic. This place could be flooded by pedophiles talking about the conspiracy to suppress their sexuality. Would you defend their free speech? Maybe you would say FE is hurting no one. But I disagree. It's a rotting of the mind, giving people a false sense of superiority for being open minded enough to discover the "ultimate conspiracy behind everything". yet it's something that is completely untrue and without any merit whatsoever except perhaps as an amusing distraction. but some people also consider pornography an amusing distraction. It's not appropriate content for here.
Every video of FE proofs contains many lies, false assumptions, false assertions - you could spend weeks carefully dismantling and refuting the whole thing but by the time you did they've made another one. They have no standards. It's mental diarrhea. Worse, for some it's done with malicious intent. Some are just people who have been groomed, but there are those who set out to groom.
nay. slippery slope. also, as far as i can tell, the FE supporters have been less obnoxious about supporting FE than the FE deniers have been about denying FE (not that there isn't enough obnoxiousness to go around; just, imho, FE'rs are slightly less obnoxioes). imho, the more a commenter talks shit or disparages another user, the more sus that user's arcuments/comments.
those offended by FE material should just downvote and move on, just like with any other troll. engage to have a discussion, and if someone goes off the rails or relies on personal attack or trash talk, then fuck 'em.
not FE related, but there's a couple users/accounts that have proven themselves unwilling to be civil or shed more light than heat in their comments on a variety of issues. personally, i just ignore them & their b8 and move on.
There are also proven shills who frequently post flat earth garbage to slide the forums such as OperationGlownigger - say, do you two know eachother?
> say, do you two know eachother?
if i told you i'd have to
kill youfill out a section action interdepartmental liaison form with the NSA to get CP covertly downloaded to your computer :)
srsly, tho, OpGlow i know not. however, if you see any posts from glowniggerssupervisor, that WAS my account. i made it from a work computer at a company i don't work for anymore. (also signed up for a shitload of hook-up & weird sex sites using my company e-mnail and posted to /pol/ without a VPN)
It should be possible for them to create a .win/c/flatearth to keep repeating their same 3 or 4 illogical circlejerk arguments. Same with the terrain theory fags.
I don't want them silenced, I just want them moved. They speak like leftists and I don't trust them.
Ironic you say flat earthers speak like leftists when many in this community want them censored and banned, which is a unanimous quality of the left.
We don’t want furries here crying about a “conspiracy to suppress the truth about fursonas” either.
No one is doing that lol. And if they did it would be an amusing read, but you could easily ignore it or tell them how stupid they are. That's what I do with FEers.
It's also a forum labeled Conspiracies and not Alternative STEM Hypotheses.
And no, I've never seen a book that successfully debunked germ theory. But I've suffered through parts of several that tried and failed.
Flat earther posts are an excellent way to separate the wheat from the chaff. If someone posts nonesense about flat earth, I know to be extra cautious when reading anything they type. It is kind of like catching and tagging them in the wild. They can still mindlessly run around and shit everywhere, the difference is that I will know where not to step. If FE posts are banned, it just makes it harder to tell which posters may have traumatic brain injuries without reading through the entire post.
All you have to do is go to FE research and block every user who posts there.
This is a remarkably telling post.
Every user has the ability to block any other users here and there is nothing wrong with that. As a moderator I choose not to so I can see all the posts here. If I were not a mod I would certainly block regular posters of FE content though.
Then why ban the subject from this board? Anyone who thinks it's stupid and can't bear to even see it can simply block the person.
Yep, you’d be the one to spam this commie rhetoric, wouldn’t you.
FE is as conspiracy theory as they come.
Yes, it’s telling users who is mentally defective and saves actual conspiracy board users from ever having to see their mental illness spammed here.
Nay, no banning. It's stupid yes, bit of you don't let the stupid have a voice, you don't know who's stupid.
they have their own community where you can go and find out who is stupid. We don't need Fe posts here for that reason. Also they are allowed on youtube, their videos do not get removed. They have a louder voice than many other real and consequential conspiracies. Some conspiracy topics are actually illegal in many countries around the world. FE is not.
How am I going to see who's dumb when I don't visit their places?
I do not believe in censorship. How stupid is that?
You have no comprehension of what censorship is and cannot articulate why anyone should be forced to be flooded with a proven government psy-op for the rest of eternity.
Ok, where does it stop then and who decides what can and can't be seen? Look where we are at now dude. Censorship. We all know flat earthers are stupid. Don't like it? Just scroll past it.
With anything that hasn’t been proven false.
No one. That’s not how truth works.
Yeah, thousands of flat earth spam posts poisoning the well.
Nope. Go to your fed board and talk about your fed hoax there. You have a board for it. No one is under any obligation to allow you to exist here.
Go fuck yourself, you worthless communist piece of shit. This isn’t an argument.
Would this encompass hollow earth as well?
Would the official shape of the earth for c/conspiracies be an oblate spheroid?
No and no. This is No Flat Earth only. Please read some of the other discussion in thread.
The shape of the earth is extremely well established beyond a shadow of a doubt through many independent sources over hundreds of years, not handed down from any single authority. If there is a giant hole somewhere into a giant hollow inside with a small sun in there, that has so far gone undiscovered / rediscovered, so be it. That would have no bearing on the overall external general shape of the planet. There is no need for any authority or group to ever to say that there is an "official" shape of the earth . There is just the shape of the earth.
I say YAY - I think a lot of people talk that shouldn't, especially on an anonymous board. I think the free speech angle can only apply if the person saying something reveals who they are as a show of confidence in their thoughts and beliefs. I think forums benefit from less content, higher quality posts.
I think people tend to underestimate the value of silence. People have become too addicted to message boards. If you were to ask me about banning other topics, I might say YAY to a number of them.
NAY - I block all FE's I see, but that doesn't stop me from coming here or posting here. I don't think we should ban anyone unless what their posting isn't conspiratorial. We need to be better than Reddit or we won't attract anyone...
It isn’t, though. It’s just a mathematically proven, visibly obvious, physically impossible lie. The only conspiracy regards why it is being posted at all, and then the answer is obvious–well poisoning.
Yes, I agree. And there was a an identifiable time a few years back when Flat Earth seemed to inorganically explode all over Youtube, led by just a few channels. It is not censored at all and even makes it into youtube's algo, so not even blacklisted.
Not even r/conspiracy has this kind of shill problem though. I never remember seeing flat earth stuff on r/con. I see it here every day.
Is there a dedicated flat earth subreddit?
Thank you for a perfect example of your regular, ridiculous, completely false and baseless assertions.
r/conspiracy also avoids and outrigth bans for bringing up the jq.
depends on the mod. There are some who will ban you immediately for casting any shade on any Jewish person.
I got an admin ban on rcon recently for naming them.
If you want to ban FE for being constant and idiotic, why not ban antisemtism for the same reason? That's the problem with your proposal, because it's a slippery slope. Any subject that is actually a conspiracy (so that negates spam, porn, etc.) should be allowed no matter how stupid or braindead it is. But I'm fine with limiting posts per day to say 1.
FE has no basis in fact or reality yet is presented as the ultimate scientific reality. It is a specific topic, with one essential idea, that the earth is flat. It is clear, easily identifiable, unvague, simple to identify.
Antisemitic is a label applied to many different types of comments, people and conspiracies, very liberally. Bankers conspiracy? Antisemitic. Israel conspiracy? Antismeitic. WW2 conspiracy? Antisemitic. Leo Frank, B'nai Birith and the ADL? Antisemtic. The "antisemitic trick" admitted to by that Israeli Minister on Democarcy Now? Antisemitic.
Thanks to such admitted tactics, I consider claims of antisemitism to be almost ungovernable. Too fluid a concept. Too liberally applied. Having said that, if the reported antisemitism contains obscene language or incitement to violence, I will of course remove it.
That's true. Still, I don't want either banned. And because FE is so specific, it so easily argued against and debunked. I don't see the problem. Just limit it to 1 post a day.
That's good and I'll keep it in mind. We don't want this to be another conpro.
This is not true, because FE make very many random assertions about every little thing, and say these all point to flat earth. it easy enough to do but takes time to sufficiently and clearly debunk each of their minor nitpicks with reality. And if you spend the time and energy to do so, that could be devoted to better things, and you reply in good faith, hoping to show them the error of their ways, they will simply call you a liar and everything you presented as fake. So it may be easily debunked, but you can't convince them of that, and they persist in their grooming attempts. Successful, irrefutable debunking does nothing to dissuade them in the least. They will declare themselves right regardless of all logic or factual rebuttle.
Wow, a jew-run website that exists solely to control the thought processes of all humans on earth bans the truth? Who would have thought!
Shill is indeed maybe not the right word. All FE people are either FE groomers or those who have been groomed. I'm sorry if you are the latter, but I have no sympathy if you are the former. You activities here seem to me like FE grooming.
It's already been proven wrong. Also this isn't the thread to debate FE, save it for one of your dumb posts.
if you are on a mission, forget the people that fight with you, they are lost and will not listen to anything ... unreal how upset they get over others having a different opinion. sad actually
Bye forever, then.
When 1/10 of the posts are about something 1/100 of the users are interested in, it's obviously time to refactor the scope a bit.
I would perhaps operate some modifications to keep it connected as it is still theorically part of this place:
Have a yearly sticky for a week or two allowing the debate to happen, for researchers to perhaps share their last research
Have a disclaimer on the sidebar of the change, with the link to the specific sub.
YAY. The FE stuff has driven me away, and I agree that people trying to engage with them are often pulled into frustrating self-contradicting but relentless conversations. Giving them space on the sidebar is already kind enough. Some of them seem like weaoonized GPT bots and their explosion in number is definitely not organic.
Just lather on a little more preparation h
We're made for each other bby
For the reason captured in this meme.
Flat earth is not a "conspiracy". It's disinformation.
Meme is spot on
I know, right?
I'm usually on greatawakening.win (GA.win). Damn FE's come in there from time to time. FE's aren't wanted in GA.win and I posted a link in there to this meme saying that FE's aren't wanted in conspiracies.win either.
YAY. While I’d rather it not need to come to something so heavy handed, they have their own place to meet and discuss on this website without taking time away from other conspiracies that have merit and require discussion. Next I’d love to see a containment spot for all the Christian posters to get driven into.
Sad day to see this post. In the early days, I remember it was me and u/free-will-of-choice engaging in FE posts on here. I think the strategy was to downvote and ignore, while the community was spammed down with corona virus stuff, I talk about 20 threads being posted in the span of 30 min, if FE was posted on here. I learned a lot about defining words though. After that, people started yelling at me, thinking that was the way to make FE posts go away. Guess that is how it is even to this day, bunch of people shouting at each other.
Whatever the suggested topic, ones consent to want or not want it, puts one into the want vs not want conflict of reason. Those reasoning are spending their resistance against each other instead of for the sustenance of self.
On the flip-side...oneself can always resist the temptation to consent to anything suggested, which allows one to comment upon everything perceivable from a non-conflicting stance. Then again...others will then reason about one refusing to choose a side within their conflicts.
Tell them about revisionism in language and they agree, yet dare to apply reverse-engineering upon language and they disagree with you straying from the "norm" of communication. Once again...only resisting temptation keeps one in balance.