When you scrape away the psyop and all its shills, you still find what seems a great number of ordinary people who lack the level of consciousness with the power to think up such experiments for themselves. Worse, they seem to fail to possess the concept that such a thing can or even should be done.
I personally find that far more alarming than finding out I was wrong about the shape of the Earth.
Like, if the sun is always 7000 miles above us, approximately following the equator then, according to basic trig, it should never descend below 15° from anywhere on earth (and much higher in most other places).
Since I can personally see it descend below 15° every single morning and evening, that model is obviously false.
I find it an excellent exercise in proving something with my own knowledge and skills.
One thing the FE crowd gets right is that too many people place their faith in "experts" and systems and don't actually think for themselves (unfortunately, they aren't very self aware).
I enjoy finding new and creative ways in which FE can't possible be true.
Amazing, East is not a straight line, East moves in a circle. If you travel due East, you will move to the North 8 inches per square miles. If you make a line showing the direction of East, it needs to curve towards the North. That is in line with the flat earth model.
Also maps have magnetic declination built in to them, you need to use a compass to measure the direction of magnetic North, proven by Mitchel from Australia. Google might claim the sunrise is at 90 degrees from Australia at the equinox, when in reality, measured against the magnetic North, which is where we get all directions from, it is actually at 80 degrees.
Personally, because both supporters, and now opponents, spam the sub with it.
And for what? Nothing changes for us if the world is flat or round, so who cares?
Real easy to see why people think this is shilling (from both sides) to prevent other topics from being discussed.
I originally opposed a ban on it because it is a conspiracy sub, after all, but people's inability to stop spamming it (assuming they're not shills) makes me think that it should've been moved to its own dedicated sub.
Why would NASA even bother to make a flight model using a flat non rotating earth? If it were so preposterous to even think the earth were flat, what would be their motive to create equations and models for a plane instead of a planet?
But why would you bother with both added complexity as well as only seeing, at most, one side of the sphere? If you tried to do that you would need two separate maps if you wanted to go more than halfway around the planet.
Drawing the earth as a sphere, even though it is one, is needlessly complex for short distances and doesn't even work for long ones.
So that's your argument? People could needlessly complicate things to make perfect representations, but instead use simplified approximations, ergo: everything they say is a lie?
Why wouldn't NASA be meticulous about their mathematics and models? A gov agency with billion of dollars. Cutting corners to go to space, let alone the moon or mars, seems incompetent to me.
I see the majority of globe defenders do not entertain other thoughts and actively attack people deliberating on the topic. as weedle said regarding flat earthers "I automatically know that they'll state, with certainty, ideas they don't understand and can't prove." this can be said for heliocentric believers as well.
When I flew from Portland OR to Amsterdam, the route went up through canada north of Hudson Bay, over greenland, iceland, and Scotland. And approaching Amsterdam from the north. This was a straight line on a gleason map.
Also if you try to fly between Perth AU and Buenos Aires, they shortest route would be over the middle of Antarctica (7800 miles). Look at what flights they offer when you try to book it, and see if the route makes more sense on a gleason map or a globe. All the flights between South America and Australia makes no sense on a globe because they are actually at opposite ends of a flat earth.
So when globe theorists argue this point with you, what do they say? That flying over Antarctica is dangerous or the atmosphere is too windy or something?
They say planes would have to travel across thousands of miles of harsh Antarctic lands and if there was an emergency there would be nowhere to land
It’s equally surprising, disappointing, and pathetic that people anywhere let alone here ON A CONSPIRACY forum, don’t question this
Zero polar circumnavigationa completed and when you point that out, they’ll say “it’s been done tons of times… a five second google search could have answered that for you… is this how stupid all flat earthers are?!!”
And it’ll be a link to a 2 hour “documentary” that hardly has any flight footage whatsoever and what little is there isn’t unique to Antarctica
Also, the production company’s website is 404d and anyone who takes a critical look at this should only come to the same conclusion that it doesn’t remotely come close to passing the sniff test
Yet flat earthers are the ones who believe in nonsense
Sorry for asking for any evidence of a globe whatsoever that can stand up to the slightest scrutiny
Nothing gets shilled like flat earth
It’s pretty obvious when you talk flat earth on Twitter, as I can see who these shills follow, etc
Weird how the same accounts pop up and cruising through their history they only seem to care to interact with flat earth topic posts, shilling for the spinning globe fairy tale
Wonder why that could be…
The same faggots come out here on the dot wins, too
Almost none of them know of the Antarctic treaty which would make commercial flights impossible without the approval of international bureaucracy (multiple organizations). However we fly in the north polar circle so I don't see why weather or environmental concerns should be so much more of a problem in the south polar circle. Commercial jets also commonly fly in -40 to -60 degrees, im not sure what the exact limit is, but I'd like to see a aeronautical engineer explain why antartica is mechanically impossible to fly over.
I've seen a few people show me flights that allegedly skim the coast of Antarctica. Heavy investigation has gone into these flight which make the results untrustworthy. Such as the plane going off global tracking with an assumed position nearly the entire journey. Flights being canceled or unbookable as if they were simply for perception. There are some planes with long range capability that may be able to fake it by going much faster than the average commercial jet and using earth's natural jet stream wind over the ocean north of Antarctica.
Debunking is exclusively for and by fools. Earnest students prefer diligent/rigorous research instead.
Furthermore, there is no flat earth model and looking at the sun in the sky (the literal opposite direction) to determine the shape of the earth is both unscientific and powerful dumb.
There have been geocentric models since bce times. Triangulation determines the location of fixed points on the earth, which is quite accurate. Why would people use sextants if they didn't work?
There have been geocentric models since bce times.
True, but geocentric and geospheric are not necessarily one and the same.
Triangulation determines the location of fixed points on the earth, which is quite accurate.
No one is doubting the usefulness of triangulation.
Why would people use sextants if they didn't work?
Sextants work, but they don’t depend on a spherical earth the way you believe. In fact, if the world is flat - they obviously work just fine on a flat world.
flat earthers need to seriously stop this troll once and for all and understand there are REAL ISSUES here on earth that we need to debate and discuss about. and actual conspiracies that effect our lives.
if the earth were on a plane? flat? would that effect my life? NO! ffs it could be some damn octagon for all i care, that doesn't matter or directly effect our lives. know what does? people plotting and government scheming to control every aspect of our humanity.
I'm sick of people saying this, if you can't figure out why being lied to about our cosmology would matter you deserve to live like cattle. It matters from proving the existence of our creator. Debunking all the NWO psyops like relativity, evolution, and big bang that make people think they are a cosmic insignificant accident. And it would make the NWO fail overnight if all the sheep understood how lied to they are.
just because the government lies to you about things happening in the geopolitical world, or other things, or what was in building 7 or the pentagon, doesn't mean the earth is flat lol.
"he's lying to me about this, therefore everything say is a lie"
what's next. what if the us government said 2+2 equals 4? is that a lie? maybe it equals 6!!
Except for NASA, government lies had nothing to do with me thinking the earth is flat. I think Nasa fakes everything from the moonlanding to the ISS, all photos from space, even their rockets shoot off into the Bermuda triangle. Other big proofs that got me; seeing object well beyond what is mathematically possible on a sphere the size earth is alleged, the vacuum of space somehow containing earth's atmosphere which is not a theory we can replicate with experiments on earth, and airplane gyroscopes can only work over a motionless plane.
Einstein was clearly a fraud, but the phenomenology of 'his' equations are okay. The real issue is that he did nothing for Special Relativity (remember, they're the 'Lorenzt' equations), and his General Relativity was basically sketched out by David Hilbert.
Phenomenologically, things are basically okay. Ontologically...well, that's a different question.
They had to invent dark matter to account for 96% of the known universe (all fiction) to keep their retarded THEORY alive. As far as objects falling on earth, out dated Newtonian physics does an OK job at approximating what we observe, though no one claims its accurate.
The Earth rides on the back of a giant turtle, who rides on the back of another giant turtle. It's turtles all the way down and anyone who doesn't agree with me is a major poopyhead. Now let's debate Communism versus capitalism, covid causes, and the clear existence of ghosts, angels, and the Loch Ness monster.
As you can see in the diagram it is impossible to triangulate the position of a local sun as the flat earth community believes. You would need multiple suns.
Also note that to even make the sunrise work somewhat in the north the sun "spotlight" would be so small that there would only be 6 to 8 hours of light each day. Absolutely nothing about their "model" works.
If the sun goes in a circular orbit (around something) approximately above the equator, that would mean that an observer at the North Pole would either see the sun travel in a complete circle at the same elevation (about 20°) or not see it at all because "the light isn't bright enough to see that far away".
The only way the sun could rise or set at the north pole is if it's orbit shifted north and south on the same day. Ignoring the obvious problem of how, that north/south shift is how seasons are supposed to work sooo...how do seasons work?
I always argued using the model of the sun rising over the circumference of the earth because even though that's obviously stupid, it's much less stupid than the idea that the sun spins in a constantly changing orbit directly above us and we don't see it at night because it's too small.
What? Two hours of arguing and no one wants to touch this one, huh? Just want me to explain (again) why your various "refutations" of the globe model are invalid?
Ah well, enough fun for one night. Sleep well you loveable retards.
Does this even make sense with the globe model we are spoon fed?
Does that matter?
Ultimately yes, but the fact is that even if the globe model is wrong (rather than you simply not understanding it), FE is definitively wrong. There is no way the FE is correct based on observable data, basic math, and common sense. We don't use the globe model because we were "spoon fed", we use it because it explains everything we need it to and no other theory does so.
You can go ahead and try to find a new model, but until you find one that explains everything that the globe model does as well as additional observable phenomenon, there's no reason for anyone to take it seriously.
Does the ocean curve? My eyes see sea level. Is NASA a governmental agency sending occult Freemason satanists past the firmament? Why would i trust this super secretive gov agency? Why did NASA forget how to go to the moon? With such advanced tech wouldn't we be able to do it more efficiently and with greater ease? A lot of things don't add up. And on top of it all, heliocentrism and geocentrism have been around for a long time. Science is always changing and is heavily politically motivated. I don't trust the government god that many people blindly follow.
Ah yes, I point out the holes in your argument so I must worship the government, that checks out...
As for the ocean, yes, it curves. You "can't see it" because you are right beside it so it barely registers.
Here's a little experiment to try at home: take a tennis ball and a soccer ball.
Hold the tennis ball so that the top is level with your eye and about meter (3ft) away. Notice the curve?
Now do the same with the soccer ball. Notice the different curve? Does it seem more flat or more round than the smaller sphere?
Now do the same with the earth. It is larger than either ball by a ridiculous amount. Therefore, the curve you observe is more flat by a ridiculous amount. In fact, it appears so flat that some people can't tell the difference between the curve and a flat line.
But it's just matter of perspective. If you hold the soccer ball further away than the tennis ball, they appear to have the same curve. By the exact same token, if you get far enough away from the earth, it will also have the same curve.
Now, I'll admit that it's hard to get far enough away to see the curve of the earth, but that's not really relevant here. What is relevant is that I just offered a completely reasonable explanation of what you observed, using the globe model.
I didn't reference government data, potentially doctored photos, or even some random video. Nothing I said need be taken on faith (unless you want to argue the shape of sports balls). I'm not even (technically) relying on math that would need to be proven. I've given you a simple, falsifiable, experiment whose conclusion can be extended to predict something neither of us has directly observed (unless you've been to space). If you can show that the curve of the tennis ball appears flatter than (or the same as) the soccer ball at the same distance, I'll admit I can't explain your observation.
Otherwise, how about you admit that the globe model adequately explains your observation?
I see what you are saying. I don't know the shape of the earth. I would argue many globe believers haven't seen it with their own eyes. So they are blindly believing the globe model (heliocentrism). So who is more wrong? Who is more right?
It's such a great litmus test for other theories. If someone espouses FE, I automatically know that they'll state, with certainty, ideas they don't understand and can't prove.
It's easy to get caught in the trap of wanting to believe something and accepting spurious evidence. It's good to see what that looks like at the extreme so we can recognize it in ourselves.
Are people talking about flat earth going to be banned? Like hello? What can we talk about then? China plz send list of accepted words and thoughts so I don't lose my social credit score
Like what we live on? Humanity hasn't explored a majority of the ocean but we went to the moon :) we know little about where we are and what we are. That is the real conspiracy.
of course nasa shot a missle into outer space with the trajectory and timing just right to perform a landing on the moon. what a large amount of variables to get just right. Is that easier more feasible and less resource intensive than diving to the bottom of the ocean, which covers most of the earth and is easily accessible? why not send cameras down there? don't even need humans to man a vessel to do such a task. but we forgot how to go to the moon. hmm. something is fishy about that. It's like the more "advanced" we become, the less we even know.
The picture you provided as rebuttal shows the sun above Santiago Chile. Just saying... And you must like censorship! Something them 'tifa and fascists are all about. Ban me and you are banning free speech. Did you learn anything from twitter? Or maybe 8th grade level thinking isn't mature enough to grasp these concepts.
There it is. He blew a gasket. Let's take this time to thank phizer and j&j Claus Schwab and George soros for this heart warming Hooman moment. Guy said fuck free speech. That's all I needed to hear. Have a Very special day for a Very special boy!
Kill yourself. You’re going to be banned forever and no one will miss you. The Earth is not flat. This isn’t up for discussion. If all you can do is post lies, you deserve to be censored forever.
You have no fucking comprehension of what “free speech” even is.Your psychopathic sophist bullshit would have gotten you executed in the Founding Fathers’ day. You don’t fucking comprehend how a society is created or maintained. Go shoot up with heroin in the woods and die, you worthless animal. Your psychotic individualism is literally communism. You deserve death for that alone. Sane people don’t behave the way you do.
what if you were wrong? would you apologize? I didn't call for you to off yourself. I didn't call for you to have your speech taken from you. Or your life. man up and have a civilized debate. In the US we have rights endowed upon us by the creator and they are unalienable and self evident. You are the one calling for them to be restricted. who is the real commie? I don't want to be mean but you keep coming at me with these bizarre veiled threats and insults.
I’m not. It’s not up for debate. This isn’t about personal opinions, you fucking communist dreg. It’s not subjective. There’s no “me” here. The earth is not flat. Get over it or commit suicide in real life. You’re a worthless piece of shit and an agent of white genocide.
I didn't call for you to off yourself
I don’t give a shit. I do not care. Your very existence seeks my destruction.
I didn't call for you to have your speech taken from you.
You have no speech.
man up and have a civilized debate.
Said the subhuman coward who refuses to answer a single question about his ideology. Get fucked. You had your chance for decades. You did fucking nothing. Die. I just want you and your kind dead. Forever.
In the US we have rights endowed upon us by the creator and they are unalienable and self evident.
You’ll burn in hell when you die and the Creator will wash His hands of you.
flat earth is nothing by a psy-op designed to cause division with the conspiracy community and make people look at the community as a whole, as fucking weirdos. and it's working
"you are in the camp of people who believe the earth is flat? smfh..."
psy-op successful. and dont get me started on flat earthers generally being highly aggressive with everyone that doesn't share their viewpoints
Sheesh maybe the mods should ban all this shit. If you haven’t been to space and seen it for yourself you’re just making this shit up like everyone else around here. If you think the Earth is round you’re out of touch with mainstream science. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoCKapivHGM
I assume you haven't been to space so how can you be so sure it is a globe? Same logic. Let's trust what the Freemason occult Satanist governmental NASA astronauts say though. Yea right
That’s the fucking point asshat. The goddamn Freemason is literally telling you in the video that it’s not a globe. The point I’m making is both sides of this stupid debate are arguing that they’re right and the mainstream science says “What do you know, you’re both right, it’s a pear! Forget about all those testicle earth images we said were taken from space. Our mistake. We have pears on the way.” Now do you see how dumb arguing about the shape of the Earth is? No one is going up there to verify shit!
Can you read and do you speak English? YouTube is sketchy? Where the fuck have you been for the past 15 years? Watch the video then read my post. Scrub to 1:10 if you’re just that busy that you can’t stop to watch a 4 minute YouTube clip. Fucking dumbasses. No wonder you can’t learn shit.
Fair enough. Well just search for bbw pear and you’ll see an accurate representation of the shape of the earth. I’m sure that will much more to your liking since maybe it will remind you of your mom.
Your faggot ass is more worried about what color his dick is than what he has to say. I don’t give a shit what he is you human paraquat. The mother fucker has been saying that shit for a decade and you retards still believe the shit you were force fed as children. Grow the fuck up.
When you scrape away the psyop and all its shills, you still find what seems a great number of ordinary people who lack the level of consciousness with the power to think up such experiments for themselves. Worse, they seem to fail to possess the concept that such a thing can or even should be done.
I personally find that far more alarming than finding out I was wrong about the shape of the Earth.
Absolutely!
Like, if the sun is always 7000 miles above us, approximately following the equator then, according to basic trig, it should never descend below 15° from anywhere on earth (and much higher in most other places).
Since I can personally see it descend below 15° every single morning and evening, that model is obviously false.
the sun circles the Earth. It's also tiny. You are only showing off your ignorance.
True. So many globetards who just believe what they have been told, instead of try to think for themselves.
I'm not a flat earth believer, but even debating it is a waste of time for both sides. It profits us nothing. We all know they lie
Disagree.
I find it an excellent exercise in proving something with my own knowledge and skills.
One thing the FE crowd gets right is that too many people place their faith in "experts" and systems and don't actually think for themselves (unfortunately, they aren't very self aware).
I enjoy finding new and creative ways in which FE can't possible be true.
You haven't found a single one so far.
Is it possible to tie a rope from mount everest to the moon, would the rope touch anything else?
Amazing, East is not a straight line, East moves in a circle. If you travel due East, you will move to the North 8 inches per square miles. If you make a line showing the direction of East, it needs to curve towards the North. That is in line with the flat earth model.
Also maps have magnetic declination built in to them, you need to use a compass to measure the direction of magnetic North, proven by Mitchel from Australia. Google might claim the sunrise is at 90 degrees from Australia at the equinox, when in reality, measured against the magnetic North, which is where we get all directions from, it is actually at 80 degrees.
https://www.youtube.com/live/aiAZM0mgKNs?feature=share
For a such a stupid and benign thing, why is anyone wanting to ban it from here?
Personally, because both supporters, and now opponents, spam the sub with it.
And for what? Nothing changes for us if the world is flat or round, so who cares?
Real easy to see why people think this is shilling (from both sides) to prevent other topics from being discussed.
I originally opposed a ban on it because it is a conspiracy sub, after all, but people's inability to stop spamming it (assuming they're not shills) makes me think that it should've been moved to its own dedicated sub.
Why would NASA even bother to make a flight model using a flat non rotating earth? If it were so preposterous to even think the earth were flat, what would be their motive to create equations and models for a plane instead of a planet?
Because tables are flat and it's a pain in the ass to file or mail globes?
Is that seriously your argument? Maps are flat, ergo earth is flat?
One can depict a spherical object on a flat piece of paper. Same with mathematical depictions. Hello?
But why would you bother with both added complexity as well as only seeing, at most, one side of the sphere? If you tried to do that you would need two separate maps if you wanted to go more than halfway around the planet.
Drawing the earth as a sphere, even though it is one, is needlessly complex for short distances and doesn't even work for long ones.
So that's your argument? People could needlessly complicate things to make perfect representations, but instead use simplified approximations, ergo: everything they say is a lie?
Why wouldn't NASA be meticulous about their mathematics and models? A gov agency with billion of dollars. Cutting corners to go to space, let alone the moon or mars, seems incompetent to me.
Wrong. Cry.
I see the majority of globe defenders do not entertain other thoughts and actively attack people deliberating on the topic. as weedle said regarding flat earthers "I automatically know that they'll state, with certainty, ideas they don't understand and can't prove." this can be said for heliocentric believers as well.
There’s nothing to deliberate.
Wrong.
Not without distortion. This was mathematically proven.
No one has ever navigated with a globe. Here is the ww2 air map of the world which was actually used. Looks like flat earth to me.
https://youtu.be/wmzkizC6Rz4
Why would you ever bother to do any calculations using 3.14 instead of every digit of pi?
So, you mean the map, not the model. I agree that the map is incorrect, but your title is misleading.
Is that what most flat earthers present as their map?
It looks like an extremely long distance from L.A. to Hong Kong if traveling west.
Also, according to that map, the fastest way to get to Europe would always be to fly over the North Pole.
When I flew from Portland OR to Amsterdam, the route went up through canada north of Hudson Bay, over greenland, iceland, and Scotland. And approaching Amsterdam from the north. This was a straight line on a gleason map.
Also if you try to fly between Perth AU and Buenos Aires, they shortest route would be over the middle of Antarctica (7800 miles). Look at what flights they offer when you try to book it, and see if the route makes more sense on a gleason map or a globe. All the flights between South America and Australia makes no sense on a globe because they are actually at opposite ends of a flat earth.
So when globe theorists argue this point with you, what do they say? That flying over Antarctica is dangerous or the atmosphere is too windy or something?
They say planes would have to travel across thousands of miles of harsh Antarctic lands and if there was an emergency there would be nowhere to land
It’s equally surprising, disappointing, and pathetic that people anywhere let alone here ON A CONSPIRACY forum, don’t question this
Zero polar circumnavigationa completed and when you point that out, they’ll say “it’s been done tons of times… a five second google search could have answered that for you… is this how stupid all flat earthers are?!!”
And it’ll be a link to a 2 hour “documentary” that hardly has any flight footage whatsoever and what little is there isn’t unique to Antarctica
Also, the production company’s website is 404d and anyone who takes a critical look at this should only come to the same conclusion that it doesn’t remotely come close to passing the sniff test
Yet flat earthers are the ones who believe in nonsense
Sorry for asking for any evidence of a globe whatsoever that can stand up to the slightest scrutiny
Nothing gets shilled like flat earth
It’s pretty obvious when you talk flat earth on Twitter, as I can see who these shills follow, etc
Weird how the same accounts pop up and cruising through their history they only seem to care to interact with flat earth topic posts, shilling for the spinning globe fairy tale
Wonder why that could be…
The same faggots come out here on the dot wins, too
Almost none of them know of the Antarctic treaty which would make commercial flights impossible without the approval of international bureaucracy (multiple organizations). However we fly in the north polar circle so I don't see why weather or environmental concerns should be so much more of a problem in the south polar circle. Commercial jets also commonly fly in -40 to -60 degrees, im not sure what the exact limit is, but I'd like to see a aeronautical engineer explain why antartica is mechanically impossible to fly over.
I've seen a few people show me flights that allegedly skim the coast of Antarctica. Heavy investigation has gone into these flight which make the results untrustworthy. Such as the plane going off global tracking with an assumed position nearly the entire journey. Flights being canceled or unbookable as if they were simply for perception. There are some planes with long range capability that may be able to fake it by going much faster than the average commercial jet and using earth's natural jet stream wind over the ocean north of Antarctica.
This guy often covers how airplane logistics prove flat earth. https://youtu.be/jcA3tEr5fa0
Of flat or round, I choose bouncy
Debunking is exclusively for and by fools. Earnest students prefer diligent/rigorous research instead.
Furthermore, there is no flat earth model and looking at the sun in the sky (the literal opposite direction) to determine the shape of the earth is both unscientific and powerful dumb.
There have been geocentric models since bce times. Triangulation determines the location of fixed points on the earth, which is quite accurate. Why would people use sextants if they didn't work?
True, but geocentric and geospheric are not necessarily one and the same.
No one is doubting the usefulness of triangulation.
Sextants work, but they don’t depend on a spherical earth the way you believe. In fact, if the world is flat - they obviously work just fine on a flat world.
flat earthers need to seriously stop this troll once and for all and understand there are REAL ISSUES here on earth that we need to debate and discuss about. and actual conspiracies that effect our lives.
if the earth were on a plane? flat? would that effect my life? NO! ffs it could be some damn octagon for all i care, that doesn't matter or directly effect our lives. know what does? people plotting and government scheming to control every aspect of our humanity.
Nasa is stealing billions by pretending space travel is real. You are ok with inbred pedos stealing your money?
I'm sick of people saying this, if you can't figure out why being lied to about our cosmology would matter you deserve to live like cattle. It matters from proving the existence of our creator. Debunking all the NWO psyops like relativity, evolution, and big bang that make people think they are a cosmic insignificant accident. And it would make the NWO fail overnight if all the sheep understood how lied to they are.
just because the government lies to you about things happening in the geopolitical world, or other things, or what was in building 7 or the pentagon, doesn't mean the earth is flat lol.
"he's lying to me about this, therefore everything say is a lie"
what's next. what if the us government said 2+2 equals 4? is that a lie? maybe it equals 6!!
get real
Except for NASA, government lies had nothing to do with me thinking the earth is flat. I think Nasa fakes everything from the moonlanding to the ISS, all photos from space, even their rockets shoot off into the Bermuda triangle. Other big proofs that got me; seeing object well beyond what is mathematically possible on a sphere the size earth is alleged, the vacuum of space somehow containing earth's atmosphere which is not a theory we can replicate with experiments on earth, and airplane gyroscopes can only work over a motionless plane.
Eh, relativity is pretty sound
nope. einstain was an inbred jew pedo fraud.
Einstein was clearly a fraud, but the phenomenology of 'his' equations are okay. The real issue is that he did nothing for Special Relativity (remember, they're the 'Lorenzt' equations), and his General Relativity was basically sketched out by David Hilbert.
Phenomenologically, things are basically okay. Ontologically...well, that's a different question.
I debunked relativity myself.
They had to invent dark matter to account for 96% of the known universe (all fiction) to keep their retarded THEORY alive. As far as objects falling on earth, out dated Newtonian physics does an OK job at approximating what we observe, though no one claims its accurate.
It's a cube.
No, it can not. You are going on a false premise just to you make your point.
The Earth rides on the back of a giant turtle, who rides on the back of another giant turtle. It's turtles all the way down and anyone who doesn't agree with me is a major poopyhead. Now let's debate Communism versus capitalism, covid causes, and the clear existence of ghosts, angels, and the Loch Ness monster.
The ending of the first MIB movie really put that into perspective well
As you can see in the diagram it is impossible to triangulate the position of a local sun as the flat earth community believes. You would need multiple suns.
Also note that to even make the sunrise work somewhat in the north the sun "spotlight" would be so small that there would only be 6 to 8 hours of light each day. Absolutely nothing about their "model" works.
How about the North Pole?
If the sun goes in a circular orbit (around something) approximately above the equator, that would mean that an observer at the North Pole would either see the sun travel in a complete circle at the same elevation (about 20°) or not see it at all because "the light isn't bright enough to see that far away".
The only way the sun could rise or set at the north pole is if it's orbit shifted north and south on the same day. Ignoring the obvious problem of how, that north/south shift is how seasons are supposed to work sooo...how do seasons work?
I always argued using the model of the sun rising over the circumference of the earth because even though that's obviously stupid, it's much less stupid than the idea that the sun spins in a constantly changing orbit directly above us and we don't see it at night because it's too small.
What? Two hours of arguing and no one wants to touch this one, huh? Just want me to explain (again) why your various "refutations" of the globe model are invalid?
Ah well, enough fun for one night. Sleep well you loveable retards.
OK does this mean the 'tilt' of the 'globe' is more than science declares it to be? Does this even make sense with the globe model we are spoon fed?
Does that matter?
Ultimately yes, but the fact is that even if the globe model is wrong (rather than you simply not understanding it), FE is definitively wrong. There is no way the FE is correct based on observable data, basic math, and common sense. We don't use the globe model because we were "spoon fed", we use it because it explains everything we need it to and no other theory does so.
You can go ahead and try to find a new model, but until you find one that explains everything that the globe model does as well as additional observable phenomenon, there's no reason for anyone to take it seriously.
Does the ocean curve? My eyes see sea level. Is NASA a governmental agency sending occult Freemason satanists past the firmament? Why would i trust this super secretive gov agency? Why did NASA forget how to go to the moon? With such advanced tech wouldn't we be able to do it more efficiently and with greater ease? A lot of things don't add up. And on top of it all, heliocentrism and geocentrism have been around for a long time. Science is always changing and is heavily politically motivated. I don't trust the government god that many people blindly follow.
Ah yes, I point out the holes in your argument so I must worship the government, that checks out...
As for the ocean, yes, it curves. You "can't see it" because you are right beside it so it barely registers.
Here's a little experiment to try at home: take a tennis ball and a soccer ball.
Hold the tennis ball so that the top is level with your eye and about meter (3ft) away. Notice the curve?
Now do the same with the soccer ball. Notice the different curve? Does it seem more flat or more round than the smaller sphere?
Now do the same with the earth. It is larger than either ball by a ridiculous amount. Therefore, the curve you observe is more flat by a ridiculous amount. In fact, it appears so flat that some people can't tell the difference between the curve and a flat line.
But it's just matter of perspective. If you hold the soccer ball further away than the tennis ball, they appear to have the same curve. By the exact same token, if you get far enough away from the earth, it will also have the same curve.
Now, I'll admit that it's hard to get far enough away to see the curve of the earth, but that's not really relevant here. What is relevant is that I just offered a completely reasonable explanation of what you observed, using the globe model.
I didn't reference government data, potentially doctored photos, or even some random video. Nothing I said need be taken on faith (unless you want to argue the shape of sports balls). I'm not even (technically) relying on math that would need to be proven. I've given you a simple, falsifiable, experiment whose conclusion can be extended to predict something neither of us has directly observed (unless you've been to space). If you can show that the curve of the tennis ball appears flatter than (or the same as) the soccer ball at the same distance, I'll admit I can't explain your observation.
Otherwise, how about you admit that the globe model adequately explains your observation?
I see what you are saying. I don't know the shape of the earth. I would argue many globe believers haven't seen it with their own eyes. So they are blindly believing the globe model (heliocentrism). So who is more wrong? Who is more right?
Five seconds of research.
I can’t wait for you faggots to be banned. It’s going to be great.
I'll miss 'em.
It's such a great litmus test for other theories. If someone espouses FE, I automatically know that they'll state, with certainty, ideas they don't understand and can't prove.
It's easy to get caught in the trap of wanting to believe something and accepting spurious evidence. It's good to see what that looks like at the extreme so we can recognize it in ourselves.
Are people talking about flat earth going to be banned? Like hello? What can we talk about then? China plz send list of accepted words and thoughts so I don't lose my social credit score
I dunno, real conspiracies?
Like what we live on? Humanity hasn't explored a majority of the ocean but we went to the moon :) we know little about where we are and what we are. That is the real conspiracy.
No...that's the default.
We don't know much about the deep ocean because it's hard to get to.
We know much more about the moon because we can see it with the naked eye.
We don't know hardly anything about the core of the earth, either. That's not a conspiracy; no one's stopping you from jumping into a volcano.
of course nasa shot a missle into outer space with the trajectory and timing just right to perform a landing on the moon. what a large amount of variables to get just right. Is that easier more feasible and less resource intensive than diving to the bottom of the ocean, which covers most of the earth and is easily accessible? why not send cameras down there? don't even need humans to man a vessel to do such a task. but we forgot how to go to the moon. hmm. something is fishy about that. It's like the more "advanced" we become, the less we even know.
The picture you provided as rebuttal shows the sun above Santiago Chile. Just saying... And you must like censorship! Something them 'tifa and fascists are all about. Ban me and you are banning free speech. Did you learn anything from twitter? Or maybe 8th grade level thinking isn't mature enough to grasp these concepts.
There it is. He blew a gasket. Let's take this time to thank phizer and j&j Claus Schwab and George soros for this heart warming Hooman moment. Guy said fuck free speech. That's all I needed to hear. Have a Very special day for a Very special boy!
Kill yourself. You’re going to be banned forever and no one will miss you. The Earth is not flat. This isn’t up for discussion. If all you can do is post lies, you deserve to be censored forever.
You have no fucking comprehension of what “free speech” even is. Your psychopathic sophist bullshit would have gotten you executed in the Founding Fathers’ day. You don’t fucking comprehend how a society is created or maintained. Go shoot up with heroin in the woods and die, you worthless animal. Your psychotic individualism is literally communism. You deserve death for that alone. Sane people don’t behave the way you do.
what if you were wrong? would you apologize? I didn't call for you to off yourself. I didn't call for you to have your speech taken from you. Or your life. man up and have a civilized debate. In the US we have rights endowed upon us by the creator and they are unalienable and self evident. You are the one calling for them to be restricted. who is the real commie? I don't want to be mean but you keep coming at me with these bizarre veiled threats and insults.
I’m not. It’s not up for debate. This isn’t about personal opinions, you fucking communist dreg. It’s not subjective. There’s no “me” here. The earth is not flat. Get over it or commit suicide in real life. You’re a worthless piece of shit and an agent of white genocide.
I don’t give a shit. I do not care. Your very existence seeks my destruction.
You have no speech.
Said the subhuman coward who refuses to answer a single question about his ideology. Get fucked. You had your chance for decades. You did fucking nothing. Die. I just want you and your kind dead. Forever.
You’ll burn in hell when you die and the Creator will wash His hands of you.
You don’t have the right to post lies.
I don’t care what you want. Stop posting lies.
You’re too stupid to be considered human.
Overt.
Never happened.
Not when they’re accurate descriptions.
Die. You. Fucking. Trash.
flat earth is nothing by a psy-op designed to cause division with the conspiracy community and make people look at the community as a whole, as fucking weirdos. and it's working
"you are in the camp of people who believe the earth is flat? smfh..."
psy-op successful. and dont get me started on flat earthers generally being highly aggressive with everyone that doesn't share their viewpoints
Sheesh maybe the mods should ban all this shit. If you haven’t been to space and seen it for yourself you’re just making this shit up like everyone else around here. If you think the Earth is round you’re out of touch with mainstream science. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoCKapivHGM
I assume you haven't been to space so how can you be so sure it is a globe? Same logic. Let's trust what the Freemason occult Satanist governmental NASA astronauts say though. Yea right
That’s the fucking point asshat. The goddamn Freemason is literally telling you in the video that it’s not a globe. The point I’m making is both sides of this stupid debate are arguing that they’re right and the mainstream science says “What do you know, you’re both right, it’s a pear! Forget about all those testicle earth images we said were taken from space. Our mistake. We have pears on the way.” Now do you see how dumb arguing about the shape of the Earth is? No one is going up there to verify shit!
Oh, a FE enthusiast posting a sketchy youtube link instead of just explaining what they're talking about! Never seen that before!
Can you read and do you speak English? YouTube is sketchy? Where the fuck have you been for the past 15 years? Watch the video then read my post. Scrub to 1:10 if you’re just that busy that you can’t stop to watch a 4 minute YouTube clip. Fucking dumbasses. No wonder you can’t learn shit.
Sorry, not into gay porn, not going to click.
Fair enough. Well just search for bbw pear and you’ll see an accurate representation of the shape of the earth. I’m sure that will much more to your liking since maybe it will remind you of your mom.
Your faggot ass is more worried about what color his dick is than what he has to say. I don’t give a shit what he is you human paraquat. The mother fucker has been saying that shit for a decade and you retards still believe the shit you were force fed as children. Grow the fuck up.
Name checks out. I can’t imagine the amount of VD you let that fag pump into you. Sad.