NDEs give much evidence that there is a choice but they only show those who choose not to go beyond a certain "barrier". The best two books on the subject are Life After Life by Raymond Moody and Imagine Heaven by John Burke and all those interested who have the time should invest in both. Some people go a long distance "toward the light" but many find a "barrier" and recognize that it's a point of no return, and those that came back tell us that; so going toward the light in itself isn't the final question.
Ranging from negative to positive, NDE experiences include (1) a choking, repulsive "pit", (2) a warring, painful "hell", (3) a distancing, dark "abyss", (4) observation of earth's happenings during the NDE, (5) an ascending, tubelike "passage", (6) a rewarding, fruitful "paradise", (7) an exciting, joyous "city". Almost all fall into these categories. The light can be experienced in any realm but has the effect of moving the soul toward more positive realms and, if pursued, almost always resolves into human form (not any other form). The entire narrative, combined across thousands of testimonies, indicates a presentation where the light is the most reasonable, loving being and resistance to the light is engaged by the most unreasonable, hateful beings.
We can infer from observing death that the experienced "barrier" is consistent with the fact that most people don't return from clinical death. We can infer from the aggregation of testimony that those who return often experience a straining point where they judge that to go further in the direction (either positive or negative) would be "permanent", i.e., it would separate sentience from body indefinitely via a breaking event. All reports indicate that choice exists in all realms (but is harder and more pressured in the negative than in the positive) and the barrier encounter evidences that a choice can be "locked in" for any realm (although the consistent impression is that positive and negative locks create separate, unmixed destinies).
Therefore OP is about (1) trusting the appearances to be accurate versus (2) distrusting the appearances in favor of some other explanation. Death is certainly a "birth" from the present realm to a realm without physical experience but with heightened sensation (reported by the supermajority of NDE experiences). I've pointed out that in reincarnation cultures the gilgul oversoul explanation fits better with evidence than the transmigration recycling explanation, but since OP is about the NDE and since there is no discussion in the NDE about observation of anyone engaging an experience of forgetfulness or return to a zygotic state then we simply cannot rule it in or out on the experienced evidence but only on contingent theory. Therefore my conclusion last time was that every day of life we are preparing to make the right judgments in the afterlife, and making the right decision when confronting the light will absolutely be guided by practicing right discernment in the present, every day. Prejudging the case is unnecessary and perhaps counterproductive as it hampers the ability to judge it when it happens. However, judging human presentation to find out the nature of truth and deception can be practiced at every moment and seems to be the best answer to your question.
Therefore my conclusion last time was that every day of life we are preparing to make the right judgments in the afterlife, and making the right decision when confronting the light will absolutely be guided by practicing right discernment in the present, every day. Prejudging the case is unnecessary and perhaps counterproductive as it hampers the ability to judge it when it happens.
Cleanest and probably most correct perspective I've seen on this.
a) We represents a corruption of light aka an accumulation of rays casting shadows over one another.
b) Preparing implies towards outcome; being (ray) implies in response to origin (light). Preparation for outcome neglects adaptation to origin.
c) Right/reg - "to move in a straight line" implies light moving each ray within a straight line...not something one makes, but everything allowing each thing to re-make self.
judgments
"Judge not lest ye be judged"...judgement implies confinement aka holding onto a verdict, while ignoring that free will of choice needs to adapt to justice by deciding...not confine self to decisions.
Balance implies just; choice implies at odds with one another.
confronting the light
Con (together) front (to project, stand out)...light projects ray by dividing each to stand out from one another. Few suggest CON to tempt many together, hence casting darkness about one another, while preventing projection with retraction.
Joining one another retracts self. Being a transference within light implies a projection of self.
ability to judge
Nature enabling being...that's justice. Beings judging one another disables many under few, hence establishing a court (enclosure) of justice. A sentence passed represents a sentience ignored. Ignorance represents mental confinement aka an enclosure.
when it happens
A happenstance implies by chance; being implies choice by balance. Taking a chance ignores choice given.
Ranging from negative to positive, NDE experiences include (1) a choking, repulsive "pit", (2) a warring, painful "hell", (3) a distancing, dark "abyss", (4) observation of earth's happenings during the NDE, (5) an ascending, tubelike "passage", (6) a rewarding, fruitful "paradise", (7) an exciting, joyous "city". Almost all fall into these categories. The light can be experienced in any realm but has the effect of moving the soul toward more positive realms and, if pursued, almost always resolves into human form (not any other form). The entire narrative, combined across thousands of testimonies, indicates a presentation where the light is the most reasonable, loving being and resistance to the light is engaged by the most unreasonable, hateful beings.
My mother who was Happily (married to her 1st. husband with their 1st. daughter), after he was killed in WW1 --- was never the same. And when 1st. I met her in her 50's : she outright Refused to pray with me or read the Bible..., & filled our middle sister's head with Re-incarnation Nonsense. She also said that she felt that this life had "cursed" her, & that she wanted OUT.
Then, strangely enough, she grew QUIET... & to all who witnessed what happened next : she was able to Materialize... skills from her very Start that frankly were Miraculous...
Dead (as a nail) plants with her care came back to life & blossomed spectacularly.
She sewed clothes with No pattern, & when the person 1st. wore it, it FIT like it was poured on.
She sang as a beautiful 1st. Soprano voice like an Angel... & (with No voice lessons), was invited to sing in a world-wide famous choir.
She could tell by touching people's Feet (their soles) what was wrong with them, & she was Right.
She was an Artist from her very 1st. attempt (No lessons) : her Crayon & Oil & Water-paintings : people wanted to EAT the fruit, & HUG the person because she created LIFE in everything she did.
(except for 3 people) , She loved bringing joy... to others, yet she looked Forward... to a world .... where PEACE forevermore reigns. At about age 81, she was done.
What God/Jesus shared with me as an innocent child : *I want for each of my human Individual creations : increasingly Regain being a Beautifully Glowing ☀️ LIGHT of LOVE 💕, & from my Innermost being I have remembered this ever since.
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Only HERE (balance) can choice be used...THERE (imbalance) implies an option presented to choice by the choice of another.
IS implies optional, WAS implies primary...God was before any being within can suggest to one another what God is.
NDEs give...
a) All was given to each one within...NDEs are shared among one another to distract from all given.
b) Near (close by not distant) tempts one to ignore that DI (to divide) STANT (stance) implies ones living stance within the dividing process of dying.
There's no "near death"...only living within process of dying, hence life in-between inception and death. Near vs far represents a cyclical conflict about measurements taken, while ignoring a linear procession one cannot take into possession.
Therefore OP is about (1) trusting versus (2) distrusting
Aka a cyclical conflict of reason distracting from linear (inception towards death) procession of potential (life).
God has occasionally given people the choice to return
a) God implies occasion/occidere (fall down) for each rise within.
b) Fall(cause; action; motion) towards rise (effect; reaction; matter) implies linear procession.
c) People implies ones choice to join another, while ignoring God dividing each person from one another.
d) Return implies ones response to a circle, while ignoring Gods delineation of being.
towards the faith
Towards implies procession; faith implies possession...the latter tempts one to ignore former. Procession implies linear; possession shapes circular...if held onto.
Does modern media portray it as a choice? Is it a choice?
Media/medium - "middle"...choice can only exist in the middle of balance. Few use media to tempt ones choice into circumference by taking an optional side (modern vs ancient), while ignoring primary balance.
the baby screaming - trying to warn the those round it that the world is a never ending cycle but the babies cries mean nothing to the observers. The last few memories of its past life tragically fall away as its mind is swept clean and it begins anew...all over again.
In this metaphor if there were a past life it would not be lost near birth but near conception. The fact is that birth is a crisis transition to much greater liberty, and evidence shows that death is too. Therefore the screaming or its lack relates to how well the parents have provided for the transition, and spiritually the same is true of death.
The water-birth at Home that I so much wanted for my daughter, I was also this denied. --- And yet, my daughter did Not scream, & I demanded she be given to me Immediately... & she was Calm.
a) Should implies "obligation" (a binding pledge); light implies "necessity" (a setting free)...few suggest should to keep many in the dark (ignorance) about light (discernment).
b) Light > spectrum > ray...light can only move forwards. It's each ray animated to resist, which can be tempted to follow along by ignoring to resist.
Is it heaven?
Light sets each ray free from one another...resisting the temptation to come together represents heaven (heave; to rise), while coming together represents hell (kel; to cover).
A trap?
Light sets free...ignoring light by free will of choice traps ones free will of choice. Ignorance represents darkness and confinement.
Soul-recycler?
Light implies soul/sole (one and only) hence moving through each ray within. It's ignoring light which mentally (logic) and physically (reason) confines one within a cycle.
If one responses to a cycle, then one ignores being delineated within light.
A vagina?
Light > spectrum > ray aka male > female > offspring...it's the off-spring divided from one another (penis + vagina) which can have intercourse with one another for more off-spring from one another.
What the light and what should you do?
Light implies all; each ray within needs to adapt to all, while resisting the wanted temptations of one another...like suggested "should" (a binding pledge of obligation).
I recommend bardo thodol- Tibetan book of the dead...
"Those who have attained enlightenment (bodhi) are thereby released from this process, attaining liberation (moksha). Those who remain unenlightened are drawn by karma, whether good or bad, into a new life in one of six modes of existence: as a sufferer in hell (enduring horrible torture), as a wandering ghost (driven by insatiable craving), as an animal (ruled by instinct), as a demigod (lustful for power), as a human being (balanced in instinct and reason), or as a god (deluded by their long lives into believing they are immortal)."
If you don't want to die at the time, don't allow yourself to die. Mind over matter. If your brain never tells your cells to apoptose, you can just keep going.
I don't know what you do experience in death, but I do know what you could possibly experience during the decomposition: random flashes of lived experiences:
A freshly deceased mind, spasming out fragments of memories, mish mashes of whatever connections your neurons built during life.
As you rot and the connections dry out and crumble away, the dreams have less architecture to pull from, and you lose the inclusion of memories of lesser importance.
You have flashes of work, family, porn, memes, playing games, injuries, mantras, songs. Little micro-dreams of the school dance, that one ball game... and they occur less and less vividly, less frequently, based on how often you experienced them, how thick your neurons built the pathway.
As it melts away you're left with images of immediate family, Bing Crosby singing Christmas carols, your church sanctuary.... and Riley Reid taking 6 black cocks in ultra hard-core gangbang 6.
A freshly deceased mind, spasming out fragments of memories, mish mashes of whatever connections your neurons built during life. As you rot and the connections dry out and crumble away, the dreams have less architecture to pull from, and you lose the inclusion of memories of lesser importance. You have flashes of work, family, porn, memes, playing games, injuries, mantras, songs. Little micro-dreams of the school dance, that one ball game... and they occur less and less vividly, less frequently, based on how often you experienced them, how thick your neurons built the pathway. As it melts away you're left with images of immediate family, Bing Crosby singing Christmas carols, your church sanctuary....
This hypothesis has been heard and duly considered by NDE researchers and the sources I listed show it to be a much weaker explanation. In particular, a supermajority of NDEs report greatly heightened ability to sense and to choose, many NDEs, from people blind from birth, report experiences of vision in ways that cannot be explained ordinarily, and many NDEs report observation of contemporaneous events on earth that they could not have known without the NDE. Further, the NDE generally returns to a fully intact mind, not one that has melted away in any sense. So this explanation, while it might handle an isolated, low-detail case, does not account for the data accumulated by researchers in the last 40+ years of collation on the subject.
OP said when you die. I feel like an NDE would not be anything like what I described, because I described a potential experience of actual decay, while an NDE would not include the dessication of the brain slowly over the course of months.
If you wake up after dying and there is an English cook, a French mechanic, and an Italian event planner...you know you didn't make it to heaven.
a) Wake/weg - "to be lively" implies the process of dying for each living being within the WEG (way).
b) Before vs after represents a circular conflict distracting from linear procession aka be (being) fore (forwarded) + aft (off, away).
Being (life) forwarded (inception towards death) within a way...that isn't a conflict, but ones mind can be tricked to view it as such.
NDEs give much evidence that there is a choice but they only show those who choose not to go beyond a certain "barrier". The best two books on the subject are Life After Life by Raymond Moody and Imagine Heaven by John Burke and all those interested who have the time should invest in both. Some people go a long distance "toward the light" but many find a "barrier" and recognize that it's a point of no return, and those that came back tell us that; so going toward the light in itself isn't the final question.
Ranging from negative to positive, NDE experiences include (1) a choking, repulsive "pit", (2) a warring, painful "hell", (3) a distancing, dark "abyss", (4) observation of earth's happenings during the NDE, (5) an ascending, tubelike "passage", (6) a rewarding, fruitful "paradise", (7) an exciting, joyous "city". Almost all fall into these categories. The light can be experienced in any realm but has the effect of moving the soul toward more positive realms and, if pursued, almost always resolves into human form (not any other form). The entire narrative, combined across thousands of testimonies, indicates a presentation where the light is the most reasonable, loving being and resistance to the light is engaged by the most unreasonable, hateful beings.
We can infer from observing death that the experienced "barrier" is consistent with the fact that most people don't return from clinical death. We can infer from the aggregation of testimony that those who return often experience a straining point where they judge that to go further in the direction (either positive or negative) would be "permanent", i.e., it would separate sentience from body indefinitely via a breaking event. All reports indicate that choice exists in all realms (but is harder and more pressured in the negative than in the positive) and the barrier encounter evidences that a choice can be "locked in" for any realm (although the consistent impression is that positive and negative locks create separate, unmixed destinies).
Therefore OP is about (1) trusting the appearances to be accurate versus (2) distrusting the appearances in favor of some other explanation. Death is certainly a "birth" from the present realm to a realm without physical experience but with heightened sensation (reported by the supermajority of NDE experiences). I've pointed out that in reincarnation cultures the gilgul oversoul explanation fits better with evidence than the transmigration recycling explanation, but since OP is about the NDE and since there is no discussion in the NDE about observation of anyone engaging an experience of forgetfulness or return to a zygotic state then we simply cannot rule it in or out on the experienced evidence but only on contingent theory. Therefore my conclusion last time was that every day of life we are preparing to make the right judgments in the afterlife, and making the right decision when confronting the light will absolutely be guided by practicing right discernment in the present, every day. Prejudging the case is unnecessary and perhaps counterproductive as it hampers the ability to judge it when it happens. However, judging human presentation to find out the nature of truth and deception can be practiced at every moment and seems to be the best answer to your question.
u/NotACat
Cleanest and probably most correct perspective I've seen on this.
a) We represents a corruption of light aka an accumulation of rays casting shadows over one another.
b) Preparing implies towards outcome; being (ray) implies in response to origin (light). Preparation for outcome neglects adaptation to origin.
c) Right/reg - "to move in a straight line" implies light moving each ray within a straight line...not something one makes, but everything allowing each thing to re-make self.
"Judge not lest ye be judged"...judgement implies confinement aka holding onto a verdict, while ignoring that free will of choice needs to adapt to justice by deciding...not confine self to decisions.
Balance implies just; choice implies at odds with one another.
Con (together) front (to project, stand out)...light projects ray by dividing each to stand out from one another. Few suggest CON to tempt many together, hence casting darkness about one another, while preventing projection with retraction.
Joining one another retracts self. Being a transference within light implies a projection of self.
Nature enabling being...that's justice. Beings judging one another disables many under few, hence establishing a court (enclosure) of justice. A sentence passed represents a sentience ignored. Ignorance represents mental confinement aka an enclosure.
A happenstance implies by chance; being implies choice by balance. Taking a chance ignores choice given.
My mother who was Happily (married to her 1st. husband with their 1st. daughter), after he was killed in WW1 --- was never the same. And when 1st. I met her in her 50's : she outright Refused to pray with me or read the Bible..., & filled our middle sister's head with Re-incarnation Nonsense. She also said that she felt that this life had "cursed" her, & that she wanted OUT.
Then, strangely enough, she grew QUIET... & to all who witnessed what happened next : she was able to Materialize... skills from her very Start that frankly were Miraculous...
Dead (as a nail) plants with her care came back to life & blossomed spectacularly.
She sewed clothes with No pattern, & when the person 1st. wore it, it FIT like it was poured on.
She sang as a beautiful 1st. Soprano voice like an Angel... & (with No voice lessons), was invited to sing in a world-wide famous choir.
She could tell by touching people's Feet (their soles) what was wrong with them, & she was Right.
She was an Artist from her very 1st. attempt (No lessons) : her Crayon & Oil & Water-paintings : people wanted to EAT the fruit, & HUG the person because she created LIFE in everything she did.
(except for 3 people) , She loved bringing joy... to others, yet she looked Forward... to a world .... where PEACE forevermore reigns. At about age 81, she was done.
While I cared for her, at the moment of her death : I distinctly saw her *Running JOYFULLY FREE thru a slightly UPward seemingly eternal Wildflower meadow ... kind of like this https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/12i3ubUQNV/daybyday-in-paradiseyes-gods-cou/c and mom was finally at PEACE.
What God/Jesus shared with me as an innocent child : *I want for each of my human Individual creations : increasingly Regain being a Beautifully Glowing ☀️ LIGHT of LOVE 💕, & from my Innermost being I have remembered this ever since. .
Only HERE (balance) can choice be used...THERE (imbalance) implies an option presented to choice by the choice of another.
IS implies optional, WAS implies primary...God was before any being within can suggest to one another what God is.
a) All was given to each one within...NDEs are shared among one another to distract from all given.
b) Near (close by not distant) tempts one to ignore that DI (to divide) STANT (stance) implies ones living stance within the dividing process of dying.
There's no "near death"...only living within process of dying, hence life in-between inception and death. Near vs far represents a cyclical conflict about measurements taken, while ignoring a linear procession one cannot take into possession.
Aka a cyclical conflict of reason distracting from linear (inception towards death) procession of potential (life).
Does modern media portray it as a choice? Is it a choice?
God has occasionally given people the choice to return, in NDEs, likely for some reason related to testimonial evidence towards the faith.
But if it's your time as per his will, that choice is not given to you.
a) God implies occasion/occidere (fall down) for each rise within.
b) Fall(cause; action; motion) towards rise (effect; reaction; matter) implies linear procession.
c) People implies ones choice to join another, while ignoring God dividing each person from one another.
d) Return implies ones response to a circle, while ignoring Gods delineation of being.
Towards implies procession; faith implies possession...the latter tempts one to ignore former. Procession implies linear; possession shapes circular...if held onto.
Media/medium - "middle"...choice can only exist in the middle of balance. Few use media to tempt ones choice into circumference by taking an optional side (modern vs ancient), while ignoring primary balance.
Yes.
Light is the Most High God, our Creator, darkness means call out to Him to save you.
Amen!!!!
Amen!!!
If only a man posted this.
Did you know... That woman was also made in the image of her Creator? Thanks for the rib!
I have no idea. I've heard people say go to the light and others say it's a trap. I don't know
Are you blinded by the light?
Are you revved up like a deuce?
never thought of it being the vagina, coming into the world! brilliant.
the baby screaming - trying to warn the those round it that the world is a never ending cycle but the babies cries mean nothing to the observers. The last few memories of its past life tragically fall away as its mind is swept clean and it begins anew...all over again.
dark.
Reply to you was removed for rule 1 violation, even tho it was in jest because approving it is a slippy slope.
Argument:
u/ChippingToe; No, there's a light didn't you read op
Removed for rule 1 violation: be respectful, attack the argument not the person.
Please edit for approval.
Edit: approved because retard is used in jest.I'm not gonna edit a joke. It wouldn't make sense.
I'm now thinking you can jest without namecalling, it'll still be funny. But approving would be a slippy slope.
Water-birthed babies don't scream.
In this metaphor if there were a past life it would not be lost near birth but near conception. The fact is that birth is a crisis transition to much greater liberty, and evidence shows that death is too. Therefore the screaming or its lack relates to how well the parents have provided for the transition, and spiritually the same is true of death.
The water-birth at Home that I so much wanted for my daughter, I was also this denied. --- And yet, my daughter did Not scream, & I demanded she be given to me Immediately... & she was Calm.
Related:
What Nobody Tells You About Death | The Living Feel It Too - Why Files;
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASZ3hMEVQ/
a) Should implies "obligation" (a binding pledge); light implies "necessity" (a setting free)...few suggest should to keep many in the dark (ignorance) about light (discernment).
b) Light > spectrum > ray...light can only move forwards. It's each ray animated to resist, which can be tempted to follow along by ignoring to resist.
Light sets each ray free from one another...resisting the temptation to come together represents heaven (heave; to rise), while coming together represents hell (kel; to cover).
Light sets free...ignoring light by free will of choice traps ones free will of choice. Ignorance represents darkness and confinement.
Light implies soul/sole (one and only) hence moving through each ray within. It's ignoring light which mentally (logic) and physically (reason) confines one within a cycle.
If one responses to a cycle, then one ignores being delineated within light.
Light > spectrum > ray aka male > female > offspring...it's the off-spring divided from one another (penis + vagina) which can have intercourse with one another for more off-spring from one another.
Light implies all; each ray within needs to adapt to all, while resisting the wanted temptations of one another...like suggested "should" (a binding pledge of obligation).
I recommend bardo thodol- Tibetan book of the dead...
"Those who have attained enlightenment (bodhi) are thereby released from this process, attaining liberation (moksha). Those who remain unenlightened are drawn by karma, whether good or bad, into a new life in one of six modes of existence: as a sufferer in hell (enduring horrible torture), as a wandering ghost (driven by insatiable craving), as an animal (ruled by instinct), as a demigod (lustful for power), as a human being (balanced in instinct and reason), or as a god (deluded by their long lives into believing they are immortal)."
Doesn't sound like any good options
If you don't want to die at the time, don't allow yourself to die. Mind over matter. If your brain never tells your cells to apoptose, you can just keep going.
I don't know what you do experience in death, but I do know what you could possibly experience during the decomposition: random flashes of lived experiences:
A freshly deceased mind, spasming out fragments of memories, mish mashes of whatever connections your neurons built during life.
As you rot and the connections dry out and crumble away, the dreams have less architecture to pull from, and you lose the inclusion of memories of lesser importance.
You have flashes of work, family, porn, memes, playing games, injuries, mantras, songs. Little micro-dreams of the school dance, that one ball game... and they occur less and less vividly, less frequently, based on how often you experienced them, how thick your neurons built the pathway.
As it melts away you're left with images of immediate family, Bing Crosby singing Christmas carols, your church sanctuary.... and Riley Reid taking 6 black cocks in ultra hard-core gangbang 6.
This hypothesis has been heard and duly considered by NDE researchers and the sources I listed show it to be a much weaker explanation. In particular, a supermajority of NDEs report greatly heightened ability to sense and to choose, many NDEs, from people blind from birth, report experiences of vision in ways that cannot be explained ordinarily, and many NDEs report observation of contemporaneous events on earth that they could not have known without the NDE. Further, the NDE generally returns to a fully intact mind, not one that has melted away in any sense. So this explanation, while it might handle an isolated, low-detail case, does not account for the data accumulated by researchers in the last 40+ years of collation on the subject.
OP said when you die. I feel like an NDE would not be anything like what I described, because I described a potential experience of actual decay, while an NDE would not include the dessication of the brain slowly over the course of months.
Who knows? trust your heart. Well, your consciousness i guess.
I learned more about death from dmt than I ever thought was possible...but that's another challenge entirely.
Been there, done that. There is no light, only nothingness.