Should you go towards the light? Is it heaven? A trap? Soul-recycler? A vagina?
What the light and what should you do?
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NDEs give much evidence that there is a choice but they only show those who choose not to go beyond a certain "barrier". The best two books on the subject are Life After Life by Raymond Moody and Imagine Heaven by John Burke and all those interested who have the time should invest in both. Some people go a long distance "toward the light" but many find a "barrier" and recognize that it's a point of no return, and those that came back tell us that; so going toward the light in itself isn't the final question.
Ranging from negative to positive, NDE experiences include (1) a choking, repulsive "pit", (2) a warring, painful "hell", (3) a distancing, dark "abyss", (4) observation of earth's happenings during the NDE, (5) an ascending, tubelike "passage", (6) a rewarding, fruitful "paradise", (7) an exciting, joyous "city". Almost all fall into these categories. The light can be experienced in any realm but has the effect of moving the soul toward more positive realms and, if pursued, almost always resolves into human form (not any other form). The entire narrative, combined across thousands of testimonies, indicates a presentation where the light is the most reasonable, loving being and resistance to the light is engaged by the most unreasonable, hateful beings.
We can infer from observing death that the experienced "barrier" is consistent with the fact that most people don't return from clinical death. We can infer from the aggregation of testimony that those who return often experience a straining point where they judge that to go further in the direction (either positive or negative) would be "permanent", i.e., it would separate sentience from body indefinitely via a breaking event. All reports indicate that choice exists in all realms (but is harder and more pressured in the negative than in the positive) and the barrier encounter evidences that a choice can be "locked in" for any realm (although the consistent impression is that positive and negative locks create separate, unmixed destinies).
Therefore OP is about (1) trusting the appearances to be accurate versus (2) distrusting the appearances in favor of some other explanation. Death is certainly a "birth" from the present realm to a realm without physical experience but with heightened sensation (reported by the supermajority of NDE experiences). I've pointed out that in reincarnation cultures the gilgul oversoul explanation fits better with evidence than the transmigration recycling explanation, but since OP is about the NDE and since there is no discussion in the NDE about observation of anyone engaging an experience of forgetfulness or return to a zygotic state then we simply cannot rule it in or out on the experienced evidence but only on contingent theory. Therefore my conclusion last time was that every day of life we are preparing to make the right judgments in the afterlife, and making the right decision when confronting the light will absolutely be guided by practicing right discernment in the present, every day. Prejudging the case is unnecessary and perhaps counterproductive as it hampers the ability to judge it when it happens. However, judging human presentation to find out the nature of truth and deception can be practiced at every moment and seems to be the best answer to your question.
u/NotACat
Cleanest and probably most correct perspective I've seen on this.
a) We represents a corruption of light aka an accumulation of rays casting shadows over one another.
b) Preparing implies towards outcome; being (ray) implies in response to origin (light). Preparation for outcome neglects adaptation to origin.
c) Right/reg - "to move in a straight line" implies light moving each ray within a straight line...not something one makes, but everything allowing each thing to re-make self.
"Judge not lest ye be judged"...judgement implies confinement aka holding onto a verdict, while ignoring that free will of choice needs to adapt to justice by deciding...not confine self to decisions.
Balance implies just; choice implies at odds with one another.
Con (together) front (to project, stand out)...light projects ray by dividing each to stand out from one another. Few suggest CON to tempt many together, hence casting darkness about one another, while preventing projection with retraction.
Joining one another retracts self. Being a transference within light implies a projection of self.
Nature enabling being...that's justice. Beings judging one another disables many under few, hence establishing a court (enclosure) of justice. A sentence passed represents a sentience ignored. Ignorance represents mental confinement aka an enclosure.
A happenstance implies by chance; being implies choice by balance. Taking a chance ignores choice given.
My mother who was Happily (married to her 1st. husband with their 1st. daughter), after he was killed in WW1 --- was never the same. And when 1st. I met her in her 50's : she outright Refused to pray with me or read the Bible..., & filled our middle sister's head with Re-incarnation Nonsense. She also said that she felt that this life had "cursed" her, & that she wanted OUT.
Then, strangely enough, she grew QUIET... & to all who witnessed what happened next : she was able to Materialize... skills from her very Start that frankly were Miraculous...
Dead (as a nail) plants with her care came back to life & blossomed spectacularly.
She sewed clothes with No pattern, & when the person 1st. wore it, it FIT like it was poured on.
She sang as a beautiful 1st. Soprano voice like an Angel... & (with No voice lessons), was invited to sing in a world-wide famous choir.
She could tell by touching people's Feet (their soles) what was wrong with them, & she was Right.
She was an Artist from her very 1st. attempt (No lessons) : her Crayon & Oil & Water-paintings : people wanted to EAT the fruit, & HUG the person because she created LIFE in everything she did.
(except for 3 people) , She loved bringing joy... to others, yet she looked Forward... to a world .... where PEACE forevermore reigns. At about age 81, she was done.
While I cared for her, at the moment of her death : I distinctly saw her *Running JOYFULLY FREE thru a slightly UPward seemingly eternal Wildflower meadow ... kind of like this https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/12i3ubUQNV/daybyday-in-paradiseyes-gods-cou/c and mom was finally at PEACE.
What God/Jesus shared with me as an innocent child : I want for each of my human Individual creations : increasingly Regain being a Beautifully Glowing ☀️ LIGHT of love 💕, & from my Innermost being I have remembered this ever since. .
Very good. That agrees with category 6 above as described by Burke.
yes, I forgot to add that #6 -- But re
question remains : (while after I was sent to the USA : my birth mom never prayed nor read the Bible & quit going to church ... yet after her death was at peace joyfully running thru a meadow), --- while
Turkey (& her co-hort Tinae) Claim that either she as turkey, or God who she said "I will pray about" having me be sent to hell .... or do it herself as a "Catholic-SAINT" no less, & Tinae also does not "see" me as 1 of God's own, as 2 of your Favorite no less only from social-media =
who do you people esteem yourselves or think you really are?
Because like ConPro with the God-created "Jews, & Negros" & any other human for that matter BECAUSE you are summarily sinfully Prejudiced, God never gave you & your Favorites --> in your own christianity group <-- any rights to judge... even as you momentarily do it & you yourself continue having "issues" . = Answer that.
I suspect that if you asked them politely what they meant to say, they would tell you that they didn't say the things you think you heard, and the communication might work toward clearing up.
If I were in your situation, and I thought someone had said something hellish to me, I would be very careful to be sure I heard, remembered (had a link or record), and understood completely what was meant, and to be sure I had asked about whether something else could be intended. I've sought to read all the conversations you're talking about and I'm pretty confident there was no implication about actively sending you to hell or about not seeing you as belonging to God.
I do know that it's been said that people who sin continuously are at risk, and that they've suggested that you've sinned a couple times. I hope this is an appropriate place for me to give that impression, knowing that when we talk about people saying that you might have sinned it's a sensitive issue for you. But they've said that, and perhaps there was miscommunication between what was said and what was unsaid. And as you point out, polite questioning often resolves issues and heals past wounds.
I don't think I, or they, esteem ourselves highly. Catholics don't esteem themselves saints, for instance; they reserve that name for those for whom there's evidence of sainthood after death. I think that in this conversation you're dealing with people who care about you but who don't want to be emotionally exposed to criticism that isn't intended to bring about healing. You're not dealing with people who have collectivism or hatred, you're dealing with people who have concerns (like you do) and who have challenges with understanding the behavior of others (like you do). By my putting them in the same category as you, I'm demonstrating that there are not favorites. If you, or I, or they, were to judge another person, I'd treat it the same no matter who it's from, and I'd push back if there's no evidence and hear the concern if there is evidence.
I hope that answers. You hint I might be momentarily judging without caring, and I don't intend to be, so if you can point out how I'm doing so then I can correct that. If we have the air clear between us, it looks like you would like some understanding about and concession about the past conversations you're alluding to. In my silly binary view, I'd think that either you want it healed or you want the right to keep bringing up a wound indefinitely; and in either case when it's clear what you want then it's easy to proceed forward. So let me know what I can do, and what else can be done, to help the situation.
Only HERE (balance) can choice be used...THERE (imbalance) implies an option presented to choice by the choice of another.
IS implies optional, WAS implies primary...God was before any being within can suggest to one another what God is.
a) All was given to each one within...NDEs are shared among one another to distract from all given.
b) Near (close by not distant) tempts one to ignore that DI (to divide) STANT (stance) implies ones living stance within the dividing process of dying.
There's no "near death"...only living within process of dying, hence life in-between inception and death. Near vs far represents a cyclical conflict about measurements taken, while ignoring a linear procession one cannot take into possession.
Aka a cyclical conflict of reason distracting from linear (inception towards death) procession of potential (life).