My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. The more they increased, the more they sinned against me; I will change their glory into shame. (Hosea 4:6-7 ESV)
When God speaks of humbling yourself like a child, he's speaking of humility, not in knowledge and understanding. Sometimes He speaks of us as His children, because true born again Christians have become His sons and daughters.
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. "Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matthew 18:1-6 ESV)
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:1-2 ESV)
God wants us to be mature in the faith, metaphorically no longer living on milk but on solid food.
About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. (Hebrews 5:11-14 ESV)
God will give that to you exactly when you are ready to receive it. First, get to the basic principles, or you will not have the doors of your mind opened to be able to process the deeper things.
You will notice that Jesus begins to preach in Matthew chapter 5, in order to till the hard soil of His listeners' hearts, the exact opposite and inversion of conventional wisdom. This is a great place to get acquainted with spiritual principles, to get your mind ready to accept the things of God and be able to reject the things that blind you to them. It can't happen until humility opens the door to His sacred wisdom. Ego and self-centeredness and fear are blinders, and self-delusion is the most insidious kind, a poison that will permit no entry of light or truth Matthew 6:23.
The hidden secret to righteousness that even some seasoned religious scholars completely miss is the Great Exchange. God gives us what we utterly lack, through His incarnation and sacrifice on the cross, and offers us His perfection and righteousness and peace and love--literally heaven, which can be enjoyed while yet on Earth--in exchange for our imperfect selves which are jealously guarded by our own pride. This is the absolute key to the kingdom. The blood of Jesus will instantly position you into to a place of enlightenment that millennia of Buddhist meditation could only offer dim, transient glimpses of.
"Submit yourselves therefore unto to God..." James 4:7
What does that mean? Well, in the Great Exchange, we die to ourselves ("take up your cross" Luke 9:23) and live to God (Romans 6:9-11). What is self? Self is merely the avatar that we use to navigate the outside world. Self is an illusion; ego is a trap and a snare, an anchor that holds us in an imaginary prison. So we are not giving up anything of value whatsoever. We are merely exchanging illusion and death for the priceless gift of reality and life.
God doesn't forbid us from seeking knowledge. Adam and Eve fell because they wanted to be like God. The creation thought it knew better than the Creator.
Who else wanted to be like God? Lucifer.
Same story.
The Bible is a vast store of knowledge, more than you can imagine. You could spend your entire life studying God's word and still only scratch the surface.
Try Chuck Misler's series on Genesis (youtube). If you're truly seeking knowledge, the series is well worth your time.
I've noticed a telling bias, a monolithic blind spot, in many of the responses here.
The tendency for non-religious people to pretend that atheism and materialism is the defacto correct and "true" tenet, and that anything beyond what is "provable" via the scientific method is by definition "false" and also worthy of derision and ridicule.
I posit that the doctrine of materialism is itself both self contradictory and patently and provably wrong on every level.
First of all, you don't even perceive the universe itself, nor do you understand it. What you actually perceive is quite limited to your senses and immediate surroundings and makes up only the tiniest fraction of your understanding. The "universe" you live in is actually a mental construct. So the very "thing" (your mind) that you are using to deny the existence of anything extra-material is itself not a material "thing" at all. Your mind is consciousness. There is no physical or measurable or provable substance of "mind," and yet it is everything to you, everything that makes you who you are. Without it, your body would be essentially dead and worthless.
Our reality is literally constructed out of our BELIEFS.
So before you mock the concept of faith, remember that. We actually understand almost nothing of what we presume to be true. Do we understand gravity? Magnetism? Light? We know they "work," and we proceed accordingly, on faith. Because all of the explanations of what they are, really are assumptions with little more than big words and math added to them, and that has to be good enough. Because in 99.99% of all useful applications, those assumptions work, and the .01% of the time they don't work is not anything we're likely to encounter in our daily lives. Even theoretical physics is a long way from defining a unified theory, much less proving one. Because the universe is more complex than can be expressed in any theory.
We make due with disjointed fragments of theories, because they work in the majority of cases, and we specialize in categories of knowledge even if other categories might seem contradictory at times.
But in the realm of the mind, we don't have math or easily "provable" theses so much as we have principles that we can choose to apply or ignore at our own peril. We can experiment and adopt these principles in our lives and see the results for ourselves. We can observe the outcomes of people who reject these principles. We can observe the dysfunction of society increasing as it collectively rejects these principles.
It is important to keep in mind that we live essentially in the spiritual realm. That spooky word "spirit" that is so easy to denigrate is our true reality. How we can manage to sleepwalk through life pretending to live in the physical world and ignore the most vital and fundamental part of our nature? By living in a collectively-manufactured "reality." Our individual mental constructs consciously adopt those of the society around us, so that we can pretend to live in an external world that is agreed upon by all of its participants. The virtual, "external" world, and its collectively agreed-upon rules, is necessary for us to engage with one another and to survive as a species, but it is still an illusion. It is created by faith.
Whereas the spiritual world, which is the basic foundational bedrock of our existence, is actually reality. It is perceived only in the realm of the mind, therefore is not "provable" via the physical sciences, and has very clear and absolute principles. These can only be understood through experiencing them, and they, just as every other realm of existence, are approached through faith.
Whoever controls the reality generating units controls reality to their benefit.
But when you think about it, the "reality" the collectivists control to their "benefit" is really only the world of economic outputs. Their benefit is first of all limited to the illusory nature of the false reality, and secondly, only serves to bind them more inextricably into its web of deceit. So they are participating in their own spiritual (true) demise rather than actually deriving benefit from their deceptive activity.
You have faith that the Bible that you are holding in your hands, is the infallible word of God, kept available to all generations, with all the precepts of God kept intact. Followers of Christ know what they believe in, they know what God’s will are for us, what Commandments God has given us, as it has been revealed in scripture. In fact Christians are told to study to show themselves approved; it is just that knowledge comes from God, which comes from his word, which is contained in the Bible. Gaining knowledge that goes against what the Bible says, is vanity. Recipe of how to build a peaceful civilisation, is found in the Law of Moses, that is the knowledge you need, to achieve this end.
The Reformation removed all the corruption from the Bible, so even to this day do we have the pure word of God available to us. Promise made, promise kept.
If there is contradicting doctrine, or verses that testify that Jesus and Lucifer are the same, or verses that claim that Jesus is unclean, or verses that makes Jesus a liar, that is biblical corruption.
There really is only good and evil and nothing in-between. Dualism is also the trademark of the occult world, that's why people think that so called "white magick" is good and can never be used for evil.
People need to read what the Bible says about witchcraft, sorcery and magick it's literally all an abomination before God, doesn't matter if it's the left or right hand path.
I follow choice one, am I a child or sheep for not reading lucifers fake enlightenment doctrine, absolutely not. Seeking knowledge in form of our creator God's truth is not evil. Seeking occult knowledge is evil because that's what Holy scripture says about them.
Yes, choice two is the opposite of good, and false knowledge, fake ego enlightenment, money and fame ain't worth shit when you die, in the end God will Judge us all for our sins.
Christianity is the only real religion left, that's why most other religions hate our greatest Prophet and Messiah with a passion.
It's way beyond our human understanding, we are only able to perceive our limited 3 dimensional reality, while God has control over all his 10 dimensions.
Are there passive lower interdimensional entities that are neither good or evil, and that want nothing to do with mankind? It's possible, but we will never find out.
3rd eye is the lalalala I can't hear you type of chirchianity idiot. There's no point, he's said things to me that aren't very Christ like, and we both know that's only going go back around to him.
It's his way, or no way. Everyone but him is demonic, and going to hell. I have had family members like that. It leads to mental illness. We have no way of knowing what stage they're on.
And you have nothing better to do than to attack me for no reason. You know not everything is demonic, but so called occult witchcraft and even white magick is 100% luciferian.
Why would I judge you for shitposting, when it's only God that can judge us? I never said that you are demonic, but c'mon keep on telling more BS nonsense like all the other guys in here who can't handle the truth. that are always telling me to off myself.
I'm just telling you that it's impossible to spiritually evolve and turn into a human god, because all 10 dimensions belong only to the one allmighty God who created them. You will surely be able to visit higher dimensions if you're toxic af and attack your fellow brethren, sounds like Tartarus to me.
There really is only good and evil and nothing in-between. Dualism is also the trademark of the occult world
a) ONLY, adjective - "single; one along; this and no other"
b) good AND evil contradicts "only"...there can be only one.
c) ones consent to suggested moralism establishes the good vs bad conflict of reason aka dualism.
d) ONEs consent to another ONEs suggestion tempts one to ignore perceivable for suggested, hence keeping perceivable hidden (occult) from ones perception.
If you put God in a box of your own making then I guess the only person you have to blame is yourself.....you set the parameters.....But that's not the God of the bible. God is bigger than anything you can imagine. But I would mention several things. The bible says that where the spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty. Also it says sin is slavery and that Jesus came to set us free from the bonds of slavery. And the sweet part is that salvation is free. All you have to do is believe in Jesus.....to me that's an easy thing to do. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.....The devil on the other hand wants you to sacrifice your children and have butt sex......the choice is yours.....
Living an honest life isn't that hard, you just have to do it, it's just that pesky believing in Messiahs part I can't get down with. So I guess I'll be a good person that goes to great lengths to be so that ends up in hell while other scumbags (like my grimy ass kidnapping mother) will go to heaven because they are dumb enough to believe that a crazy person is communing with God. Sounds pretty standard in this gay ass dimension. If she's going to be there, I don't fucking wanna be. So those are MY choices. Try to be a good person and go to hell or be a bad person like her and still go to hell because I don't "believe the hype."
Have you ever been around someone who is having a nervous breakdown? I have. They sound like they think they are Messiahs. "God spoke to me..." Sound familiar?
Something I thought about though, Satanists full-on believe in Jesus because all of their rituals and beliefs are created to mirror Christianity. So, since they believe in Jesus, even though they are against him and his ramblings, do they get to go to heaven? The single requirement has been met.
So confusing and seems like a fucking set up. I'll choose "D," "none of these" and take my chances.
Well....it doesn't sound like you're well thought out on Christian theology....that's ok....everyone who proclaims Christ was a non-believer at some time. To believe in Jesus you must believe in the same things he believed in and the things he taught. It really is quite easy because Jesus is awesome.....and he was people call a man's man......A carpenter, fisherman, healer, and he walked everywhere and fasted for 40 days. He stood up to the devil and his schemes and won. He threw the money changers out of the temple...and he didn't mince words....He called the Pharisees a generation of vipers.....It's hard for me to understand why someone wouldn't believe in Jesus.
I don't blame anyone for being confused however. The media spreads a lot of misinformation. A lot of things are confusing if you don't study up on it....not many people know how airplanes work or computers...yet we put aside our ignorance to take a trip. But logically everyone tries to justify what they do; often by blaming someone else. Satan always blames God and people influenced by satan is no exception. It really is a lame excuse...it's often uttered as they're being carted off to jail or right before they kill themselves. However you are right on one point however ; I have heard people say things like "God put us together" or "God spoke to me". I think they're for the most part are being disingenuous or sometimes manipulative. Maybe they have strong feelings IDK. It's the evoking the higher authority argument.....quite common..... In the Bible only a few people talked directly with God and each time God left a mark....Paul was knocked off his horse and went blind for a few days. Moses head turned white, Zacharias went mute until John the Baptist was born because he doubted the angel Gabriel.....The point being is that if God speaks to someone it's typically through his word, the Bible. If someone has strong feelings then they should be able to pinpoint the the theological argument in the Bible....
I'm not at all interested in the Bible, but I can probably prove there is no God using Kurt Vonnegut novels.
It would be equally as believable as the Bible. I'm fine with Jesus and I'm fine with his presence here once on earth once upon a time....or maybe twice. Be Jesus. Love Jesus. Like I said though, when someone starts talking about they are this or that because "God told them," get the fuck away from there. From experience
Let's be totally fair. The above rant is almost entirely based on lack of knowledge. It's like judging religion(s) based on popular notions about them as opposed to any sort of investigation.
That out of the way, a cursory search of the word "knowledge" in the New King James translation of the Bible yields 165 results. A good start to getting an actual idea of what's the Bible's stance on the topic of knowledge might be something a person who expresses interest in this topic would want to do.
Now let's get into the weeds on the actual doctrine regarding Adam and Eve.
They were the first humans. They were created without sin. They also lacked wisdom and experience, which is fine. They were naïve. They communed with God on a regular basis. You will find their story in the early part of the book of Genesis in case you want to follow along. But Adam and Eve's sinlessness was not due to any sort of virtue on their part. It was really simple innocence. You with me? We adults probably don't even remember what that's like. But anyway, the problem with innocence is that once it's gone, it's gone for good. You can only be innocent once.
You will see in the story of their fall that the tree with the forbidden fruit was explicitly named "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." Does this mean it's bad to have knowledge? No; what it means is that it's impossible to both have knowledge of good and evil AND be innocent at the same time. Once they lost that innocence, they also lost their sinlessness and therefore their communion with God.
So what is the first thing God did for them after they hid from Him in the garden and blamed each other and applied fig leaves to cover their nakedness?
He clothed them in animal skins. Genesis 3:21
There is a principle in Bible study and interpretation that says that the first mention of something is important. This is the first mention of an animal being slain. This is a picture of a blood sacrifice to cover sins.
And so throughout the rest of the Old Testament this topic resurfaces. Abraham and Isaac and the ram that God provided for the sacrifice. The Israelites performing the first Passover ceremony where they must sacrifice a perfect lamb without spot or blemish and apply its blood to the lintel and doorposts of their homes so the destroying angel would spare their first born son. Notice what sign the blood on the lintel and doorposts makes? The sign of the cross.
So onward to Jesus. The previous stories and pictures were preludes and symbols of the real sacrifice. God Himself took on the form of a man, being born of a woman, being tempted in every way that we are, yet without sin, and offered Himself as the atoning sacrifice, the propitiation for all the sins of mankind. Having risen from the dead 3 days later and then appearing to His disciples in many ways and on many occasions, He was then seen to ascend into heaven after giving his disciples instructions to wait on the promise of the Father. After a week or two of waiting (I forget exactly how long), they all received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. (Acts chapter 2)
So now we have both knowledge and holiness by grace through faith. And we have authority over all things evil. We walk in the light.
I find it interesting, the amount of Christians that inhabit the modern conspiracy community. Especially considering organized religion is in and of itself a conspiracy to redirect inate spirituality.
And the Jesus saga is nothing more than repackaged sun worship turned cash grab.
" You don't have enough faith" means you asked a question they don't have the answer to. And, I will never forget my father's response to that when someone said those words to me when I was little.
That's when he started asking JW missionaries questions, and then showing them in the book where the answer was, and why they should know these things. I used be outside playing, and hear, " don't go to that house".
Religion was devised my man to control man. Beliefs are individual and ones relationship with God is personal. If you taking your queues from another man, pastor or pope, then you are a sheep.. period...
a) reason/logic implies wanting vs not wanting suggested...two choices.
b) being implies each ones free will of choice.
c) suggested dualism (two) contradicts perceivable units (only)...there can be only one.
choice one (worship) or choice two (worship)
Worship implies one willingly submitting to another one, hence permitting another to define worth (wor) for ones living vessel (ship) within fluid (process of dying).
In reality...value (perceivable) generates evaluation (perception).
You misunderstand God. He never said don't have knowledge, He didn't want them to have knowledge of evil. God still teaches and knowing Him is like having access to the source of all the information.
Looks like a false dichotomy to me. Particularly since both options aren’t even remotely presented under Christian doctrine.
"in nomine" (in the name of) implies ones consent to the suggestion of another...that's the dichotomy (division into two classes).
"patris et filii et spiritus sancti"...that's the suggested, which those consenting ignore those suggesting it for.
In short...consenting to suggested implies dichotomy; the suggested implies distraction from dichotomy.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. The more they increased, the more they sinned against me; I will change their glory into shame. (Hosea 4:6-7 ESV)
When God speaks of humbling yourself like a child, he's speaking of humility, not in knowledge and understanding. Sometimes He speaks of us as His children, because true born again Christians have become His sons and daughters.
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. "Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matthew 18:1-6 ESV)
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:1-2 ESV)
God wants us to be mature in the faith, metaphorically no longer living on milk but on solid food.
About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. (Hebrews 5:11-14 ESV)
God will give that to you exactly when you are ready to receive it. First, get to the basic principles, or you will not have the doors of your mind opened to be able to process the deeper things.
You will notice that Jesus begins to preach in Matthew chapter 5, in order to till the hard soil of His listeners' hearts, the exact opposite and inversion of conventional wisdom. This is a great place to get acquainted with spiritual principles, to get your mind ready to accept the things of God and be able to reject the things that blind you to them. It can't happen until humility opens the door to His sacred wisdom. Ego and self-centeredness and fear are blinders, and self-delusion is the most insidious kind, a poison that will permit no entry of light or truth Matthew 6:23.
The hidden secret to righteousness that even some seasoned religious scholars completely miss is the Great Exchange. God gives us what we utterly lack, through His incarnation and sacrifice on the cross, and offers us His perfection and righteousness and peace and love--literally heaven, which can be enjoyed while yet on Earth--in exchange for our imperfect selves which are jealously guarded by our own pride. This is the absolute key to the kingdom. The blood of Jesus will instantly position you into to a place of enlightenment that millennia of Buddhist meditation could only offer dim, transient glimpses of.
"Submit yourselves therefore unto to God..." James 4:7
What does that mean? Well, in the Great Exchange, we die to ourselves ("take up your cross" Luke 9:23) and live to God (Romans 6:9-11). What is self? Self is merely the avatar that we use to navigate the outside world. Self is an illusion; ego is a trap and a snare, an anchor that holds us in an imaginary prison. So we are not giving up anything of value whatsoever. We are merely exchanging illusion and death for the priceless gift of reality and life.
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bon appetit
God doesn't forbid us from seeking knowledge. Adam and Eve fell because they wanted to be like God. The creation thought it knew better than the Creator.
Who else wanted to be like God? Lucifer.
Same story.
The Bible is a vast store of knowledge, more than you can imagine. You could spend your entire life studying God's word and still only scratch the surface.
Try Chuck Misler's series on Genesis (youtube). If you're truly seeking knowledge, the series is well worth your time.
a) seeking implies towards suggested outcomes; knowing implies in response (perception) to origin (perceivable).
b) nature doesn't suggest outcomes, it enforces ones adaptation (life) within origin (inception towards death).
I've noticed a telling bias, a monolithic blind spot, in many of the responses here.
The tendency for non-religious people to pretend that atheism and materialism is the defacto correct and "true" tenet, and that anything beyond what is "provable" via the scientific method is by definition "false" and also worthy of derision and ridicule.
I posit that the doctrine of materialism is itself both self contradictory and patently and provably wrong on every level.
First of all, you don't even perceive the universe itself, nor do you understand it. What you actually perceive is quite limited to your senses and immediate surroundings and makes up only the tiniest fraction of your understanding. The "universe" you live in is actually a mental construct. So the very "thing" (your mind) that you are using to deny the existence of anything extra-material is itself not a material "thing" at all. Your mind is consciousness. There is no physical or measurable or provable substance of "mind," and yet it is everything to you, everything that makes you who you are. Without it, your body would be essentially dead and worthless.
The Mental Universe https://www.nature.com/articles/436029a
Our reality is literally constructed out of our BELIEFS.
So before you mock the concept of faith, remember that. We actually understand almost nothing of what we presume to be true. Do we understand gravity? Magnetism? Light? We know they "work," and we proceed accordingly, on faith. Because all of the explanations of what they are, really are assumptions with little more than big words and math added to them, and that has to be good enough. Because in 99.99% of all useful applications, those assumptions work, and the .01% of the time they don't work is not anything we're likely to encounter in our daily lives. Even theoretical physics is a long way from defining a unified theory, much less proving one. Because the universe is more complex than can be expressed in any theory.
Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorems https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/
We make due with disjointed fragments of theories, because they work in the majority of cases, and we specialize in categories of knowledge even if other categories might seem contradictory at times.
But in the realm of the mind, we don't have math or easily "provable" theses so much as we have principles that we can choose to apply or ignore at our own peril. We can experiment and adopt these principles in our lives and see the results for ourselves. We can observe the outcomes of people who reject these principles. We can observe the dysfunction of society increasing as it collectively rejects these principles.
It is important to keep in mind that we live essentially in the spiritual realm. That spooky word "spirit" that is so easy to denigrate is our true reality. How we can manage to sleepwalk through life pretending to live in the physical world and ignore the most vital and fundamental part of our nature? By living in a collectively-manufactured "reality." Our individual mental constructs consciously adopt those of the society around us, so that we can pretend to live in an external world that is agreed upon by all of its participants. The virtual, "external" world, and its collectively agreed-upon rules, is necessary for us to engage with one another and to survive as a species, but it is still an illusion. It is created by faith.
Whereas the spiritual world, which is the basic foundational bedrock of our existence, is actually reality. It is perceived only in the realm of the mind, therefore is not "provable" via the physical sciences, and has very clear and absolute principles. These can only be understood through experiencing them, and they, just as every other realm of existence, are approached through faith.
Faith is not a bad word.
But when you think about it, the "reality" the collectivists control to their "benefit" is really only the world of economic outputs. Their benefit is first of all limited to the illusory nature of the false reality, and secondly, only serves to bind them more inextricably into its web of deceit. So they are participating in their own spiritual (true) demise rather than actually deriving benefit from their deceptive activity.
"The world" has always been evil and always will be. Escaping the matrix isn't for sissies.
You have faith that the Bible that you are holding in your hands, is the infallible word of God, kept available to all generations, with all the precepts of God kept intact. Followers of Christ know what they believe in, they know what God’s will are for us, what Commandments God has given us, as it has been revealed in scripture. In fact Christians are told to study to show themselves approved; it is just that knowledge comes from God, which comes from his word, which is contained in the Bible. Gaining knowledge that goes against what the Bible says, is vanity. Recipe of how to build a peaceful civilisation, is found in the Law of Moses, that is the knowledge you need, to achieve this end.
The Reformation removed all the corruption from the Bible, so even to this day do we have the pure word of God available to us. Promise made, promise kept.
If there is contradicting doctrine, or verses that testify that Jesus and Lucifer are the same, or verses that claim that Jesus is unclean, or verses that makes Jesus a liar, that is biblical corruption.
If it does not contradict what the Bible says, I do not hold any issues with it.
Just by your post I know you never read the Bible.
Yet you didn't grasp anything on the subject?
I call bs. You have, at most, watched 1-2 religious videos.
Then I will repy in your own words.
You wanna be God? That’s a lot to shoulder, my fren.
There really is only good and evil and nothing in-between. Dualism is also the trademark of the occult world, that's why people think that so called "white magick" is good and can never be used for evil.
People need to read what the Bible says about witchcraft, sorcery and magick it's literally all an abomination before God, doesn't matter if it's the left or right hand path.
I follow choice one, am I a child or sheep for not reading lucifers fake enlightenment doctrine, absolutely not. Seeking knowledge in form of our creator God's truth is not evil. Seeking occult knowledge is evil because that's what Holy scripture says about them.
Yes, choice two is the opposite of good, and false knowledge, fake ego enlightenment, money and fame ain't worth shit when you die, in the end God will Judge us all for our sins.
Christianity is the only real religion left, that's why most other religions hate our greatest Prophet and Messiah with a passion.
It's way beyond our human understanding, we are only able to perceive our limited 3 dimensional reality, while God has control over all his 10 dimensions.
Are there passive lower interdimensional entities that are neither good or evil, and that want nothing to do with mankind? It's possible, but we will never find out.
3rd eye is the lalalala I can't hear you type of chirchianity idiot. There's no point, he's said things to me that aren't very Christ like, and we both know that's only going go back around to him.
It's his way, or no way. Everyone but him is demonic, and going to hell. I have had family members like that. It leads to mental illness. We have no way of knowing what stage they're on.
And you have nothing better to do than to attack me for no reason. You know not everything is demonic, but so called occult witchcraft and even white magick is 100% luciferian.
Why would I judge you for shitposting, when it's only God that can judge us? I never said that you are demonic, but c'mon keep on telling more BS nonsense like all the other guys in here who can't handle the truth. that are always telling me to off myself.
I'm just telling you that it's impossible to spiritually evolve and turn into a human god, because all 10 dimensions belong only to the one allmighty God who created them. You will surely be able to visit higher dimensions if you're toxic af and attack your fellow brethren, sounds like Tartarus to me.
Your willful ignorance makes your opinion hold no value to me. Thank you, have a good day.
I'm ignorant because I don't believe in your occult "new age" teachings, that demon possessed "illuminati" psychos wrote? Yeah hookay buddy!
a) ONLY, adjective - "single; one along; this and no other"
b) good AND evil contradicts "only"...there can be only one.
c) ones consent to suggested moralism establishes the good vs bad conflict of reason aka dualism.
d) ONEs consent to another ONEs suggestion tempts one to ignore perceivable for suggested, hence keeping perceivable hidden (occult) from ones perception.
If you put God in a box of your own making then I guess the only person you have to blame is yourself.....you set the parameters.....But that's not the God of the bible. God is bigger than anything you can imagine. But I would mention several things. The bible says that where the spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty. Also it says sin is slavery and that Jesus came to set us free from the bonds of slavery. And the sweet part is that salvation is free. All you have to do is believe in Jesus.....to me that's an easy thing to do. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.....The devil on the other hand wants you to sacrifice your children and have butt sex......the choice is yours.....
Living an honest life isn't that hard, you just have to do it, it's just that pesky believing in Messiahs part I can't get down with. So I guess I'll be a good person that goes to great lengths to be so that ends up in hell while other scumbags (like my grimy ass kidnapping mother) will go to heaven because they are dumb enough to believe that a crazy person is communing with God. Sounds pretty standard in this gay ass dimension. If she's going to be there, I don't fucking wanna be. So those are MY choices. Try to be a good person and go to hell or be a bad person like her and still go to hell because I don't "believe the hype."
Have you ever been around someone who is having a nervous breakdown? I have. They sound like they think they are Messiahs. "God spoke to me..." Sound familiar?
Something I thought about though, Satanists full-on believe in Jesus because all of their rituals and beliefs are created to mirror Christianity. So, since they believe in Jesus, even though they are against him and his ramblings, do they get to go to heaven? The single requirement has been met.
So confusing and seems like a fucking set up. I'll choose "D," "none of these" and take my chances.
That actress became trans because God spoke to her Joan of Arc style.
Well....it doesn't sound like you're well thought out on Christian theology....that's ok....everyone who proclaims Christ was a non-believer at some time. To believe in Jesus you must believe in the same things he believed in and the things he taught. It really is quite easy because Jesus is awesome.....and he was people call a man's man......A carpenter, fisherman, healer, and he walked everywhere and fasted for 40 days. He stood up to the devil and his schemes and won. He threw the money changers out of the temple...and he didn't mince words....He called the Pharisees a generation of vipers.....It's hard for me to understand why someone wouldn't believe in Jesus. I don't blame anyone for being confused however. The media spreads a lot of misinformation. A lot of things are confusing if you don't study up on it....not many people know how airplanes work or computers...yet we put aside our ignorance to take a trip. But logically everyone tries to justify what they do; often by blaming someone else. Satan always blames God and people influenced by satan is no exception. It really is a lame excuse...it's often uttered as they're being carted off to jail or right before they kill themselves. However you are right on one point however ; I have heard people say things like "God put us together" or "God spoke to me". I think they're for the most part are being disingenuous or sometimes manipulative. Maybe they have strong feelings IDK. It's the evoking the higher authority argument.....quite common..... In the Bible only a few people talked directly with God and each time God left a mark....Paul was knocked off his horse and went blind for a few days. Moses head turned white, Zacharias went mute until John the Baptist was born because he doubted the angel Gabriel.....The point being is that if God speaks to someone it's typically through his word, the Bible. If someone has strong feelings then they should be able to pinpoint the the theological argument in the Bible....
It's the messiah part I don't believe, as I said.
I'm not at all interested in the Bible, but I can probably prove there is no God using Kurt Vonnegut novels.
It would be equally as believable as the Bible. I'm fine with Jesus and I'm fine with his presence here once on earth once upon a time....or maybe twice. Be Jesus. Love Jesus. Like I said though, when someone starts talking about they are this or that because "God told them," get the fuck away from there. From experience
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Let's be totally fair. The above rant is almost entirely based on lack of knowledge. It's like judging religion(s) based on popular notions about them as opposed to any sort of investigation.
That out of the way, a cursory search of the word "knowledge" in the New King James translation of the Bible yields 165 results. A good start to getting an actual idea of what's the Bible's stance on the topic of knowledge might be something a person who expresses interest in this topic would want to do.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=knowledge&version=NKJV
Now let's get into the weeds on the actual doctrine regarding Adam and Eve.
They were the first humans. They were created without sin. They also lacked wisdom and experience, which is fine. They were naïve. They communed with God on a regular basis. You will find their story in the early part of the book of Genesis in case you want to follow along. But Adam and Eve's sinlessness was not due to any sort of virtue on their part. It was really simple innocence. You with me? We adults probably don't even remember what that's like. But anyway, the problem with innocence is that once it's gone, it's gone for good. You can only be innocent once.
You will see in the story of their fall that the tree with the forbidden fruit was explicitly named "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." Does this mean it's bad to have knowledge? No; what it means is that it's impossible to both have knowledge of good and evil AND be innocent at the same time. Once they lost that innocence, they also lost their sinlessness and therefore their communion with God.
So what is the first thing God did for them after they hid from Him in the garden and blamed each other and applied fig leaves to cover their nakedness?
He clothed them in animal skins. Genesis 3:21
There is a principle in Bible study and interpretation that says that the first mention of something is important. This is the first mention of an animal being slain. This is a picture of a blood sacrifice to cover sins.
And so throughout the rest of the Old Testament this topic resurfaces. Abraham and Isaac and the ram that God provided for the sacrifice. The Israelites performing the first Passover ceremony where they must sacrifice a perfect lamb without spot or blemish and apply its blood to the lintel and doorposts of their homes so the destroying angel would spare their first born son. Notice what sign the blood on the lintel and doorposts makes? The sign of the cross.
So onward to Jesus. The previous stories and pictures were preludes and symbols of the real sacrifice. God Himself took on the form of a man, being born of a woman, being tempted in every way that we are, yet without sin, and offered Himself as the atoning sacrifice, the propitiation for all the sins of mankind. Having risen from the dead 3 days later and then appearing to His disciples in many ways and on many occasions, He was then seen to ascend into heaven after giving his disciples instructions to wait on the promise of the Father. After a week or two of waiting (I forget exactly how long), they all received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. (Acts chapter 2)
So now we have both knowledge and holiness by grace through faith. And we have authority over all things evil. We walk in the light.
Faith = belief in lieu of evidence.
Are you;
A. Naive
B. Coping
Faith = Belief
There are lots of things we believe. And usually because they are supported by evidence.
Ever cast out demons? Pray for someone and they get healed?
God is awesome, and Jesus gives us authority in His name.
Reality is literally subject to Him.
If you're not Arabic or semitic, Perhaps you could look into the ancestral religion of your race.
I find it interesting, the amount of Christians that inhabit the modern conspiracy community. Especially considering organized religion is in and of itself a conspiracy to redirect inate spirituality.
And the Jesus saga is nothing more than repackaged sun worship turned cash grab.
" You don't have enough faith" means you asked a question they don't have the answer to. And, I will never forget my father's response to that when someone said those words to me when I was little.
That's when he started asking JW missionaries questions, and then showing them in the book where the answer was, and why they should know these things. I used be outside playing, and hear, " don't go to that house".
TY for gathering all logic-incapable Christiantards in one thread. Saved me a lot of time
Religion was devised my man to control man. Beliefs are individual and ones relationship with God is personal. If you taking your queues from another man, pastor or pope, then you are a sheep.. period...
... Or thousands of times censored , rewritten purposeful brainwashing tool called scripture.
Ding, ding, bingo! We have a winner!
a) reason/logic implies wanting vs not wanting suggested...two choices.
b) being implies each ones free will of choice.
c) suggested dualism (two) contradicts perceivable units (only)...there can be only one.
Worship implies one willingly submitting to another one, hence permitting another to define worth (wor) for ones living vessel (ship) within fluid (process of dying).
In reality...value (perceivable) generates evaluation (perception).
You misunderstand God. He never said don't have knowledge, He didn't want them to have knowledge of evil. God still teaches and knowing Him is like having access to the source of all the information.
Knowledge is power.
Do you feel powerful?
Kinky.
Remember how angry God was that the fallen taught the 7 sacred sciences? The tower of Babel story?
Education is key. Think for yourself. The same ancient manuscripts are studied for both, " right", and " wrong". You are the deciding factor.