Do you want a make a pool? Or vote in some way for the most important news of the week?
Following Axeotl_Peotl's example, we can go for the most upvoted comment in here as the major topic that should be discussed this week. Most upvotes, or longest discussion WINS.
We can do that every week, so we can try to make this into a community. Otherwise, everyone is just sharing their views - old, new, wrong, right, etc... There is no community work being done in reality.
I know we agree on the majority of the conspiracies, but on some we disagree...
If we make a DISCUSSION posts about a certain topic and we actually manage to finalize it, then we can just copy the link to any new user that has any questions about this topic. I see this as a win for everyone of us. Otherwise, we just share known materials to veterans, who can help with a lot of information.
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How can we activate the veterans in conspiracy research to be more active and share their information with newcomers?
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How can we have a useful debate that actually reaches a useful and truthful conclusion?
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How can we make this community more proactive than it already is?
We should unite our efforts to make a difference, otherwise it's every man for himself... And how has that worked in the past?
It's clear that the enemy wants to divide us, so it might be a good idea to unite in the ideas that we agree on. It seems like a good idea to at least try. I can definitely say that it worked when Axeotl_Peotl was making the pools in the past about the most important conspiracy of the week.
Rules:
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Attack the argument, not the person.
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Add more information to the topic, if you can.
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Expose shills, who have no rational reason to go against any topic.
If you see a positive use for this, please share any topics that you think are relevant. A Charlie Kirk discussion, or a united thread would be very useful, but of course any suggestions would be appreciated, just say what comes to your mind as an important conspiracy topic.
We had already great discussions in here on the Lahaina fires and other topics, where users were compiling big posts that clearly showed the conclusion of a combined research (sorry, if I miss your specific example, I just forget things).
That would be an extremely useful database. If we can compile all the information in one post, someone can share it, someone can make a documentary about it, someone can research for more details...
We all have different qualities that can be useful to expose the truth to others. It is better to share them then just use them on our own. What has been achieved so far by a single individual? But if we combine our resources, we might have a real chance to wake a lot of people with extensive research and firm message that would help them conclude that the mass media is lying.
I'm sorry that I have to be the person to restart this topic, but I haven't seen anything similar in some time in here. (I don't review this forum daily, so if you've done that and I've missed it - I'm sorry). But if we decide on a day that is specifically for these discussions, we might have a real breakthrough using the brains of this community.
If you think that's a good idea - comment your best conspiracy topic.
If you think that I shouldn't start this - make a DISCUSSION post about your best conspiracy topic.
Either way, I hope you can share knowledge between yourselves in a united manner. That would certainly show the greatest result, imo.
I appreciate seeing an effort post here, even a meta one lol.
What exactly happened to axolotl? Sorry to be out of the loop, but if anyone knows or has a link to any statement he made about it, I'd love to know.
I don't visit this forum much, but all I know is that he's gone from here...
Probably all the mods too... Or was there 1 mod left?
It's basically an echo chamber now.
Sorry that I couldn't be of any help for your question.
I still find some saveable stuff here, but I only check it a couple times a week. No worries, and thanks for that input.
Thank you too!
Just to ask you - if you have some ideas to make this place better, or any other forum, what would that be?
What would you like to see more as saveable?
If we were a community that delivers to the users, who visit it - what are the things that you would like to see?
Sorry to focus on you for so long, but your reply is honest and I don't want to miss good input when it can literally change the structure of a forum. I know I'm pushing you a lot, but if you feel like it... you can share information that is very valuable to people, who care about their posts and want to deliver the best content to those, who read it.
Hey, thanks for asking, and let me think on that. More people, more diversity of opinion without ideology, plus fewer spies and fools. So hard to control those variables. I'll try to get back to you with anything useful.
Yeah, don't rush this. But if you have any suggestions, no need to come to me. I would suggest that you compile them in a post and share it with everyone here.
We need good input to fix this place, definitely!
That's my idea this week. I'll be happy to suggest a topic any week I see a topic request.
Funny, no human moderation here for 8 months, maybe we need a new mod too. I am totally in favor of getting community consensus on important conspiracies, including minority reports as needed; and I'd participate in that too, but high- or low-effort would need to be determined situationally.
You might also want to start by compiling (and possibly annotating) the good past discussions you refer to in a master index that can be kept updated (and stickied when we get a mod).
And what's the conspiratorial value of "black holes"? What is the aim that you want to achieve with that discussion? (Which could be a basic question to anyone raising a topic, and starting a new discussion.)
Do black holes exist? Do we believe NASA lies? Can we actually go through a black hole? What is your actual motive to give this idea about Black holes?
I agree - no moderation in quite some time... Seems like an echo chamber in here... And if we don't fix it, who will?
I am an absolute idiot in moderation and really understanding those terms... Can you explain that to an absolute idiot like me? I know what the words mean, but I have no idea what you meant by them...
I can do the work - no problem for me, actually I like doing a lot of work... But if you can explain your words to a person, who was never a moderator, but can compile a lot of information if needed... I would really appreciate that!
Maybe it's not the best idea, just what was on my mind this week as I'm uncovering new stuff.
I suppose there's a conspiracy hiding how demons use black holes, how deep the black hole goes, how black holes can be used for time travel, how they teach us about the creation of white holes, Star Trek but for real. This week I became a black hole miner.
Anyway, just getting the black hole rolling .... I was also saying the forum needs an active moderator so that important posts can be put in an index that can be accessed from the sidebar or menu and so that the hottest posts can be given a "sticky" code so that they will appear first on the default feed and attract more attention and reflect the forum well.
That part may be stopping you from talking about the real issues. I was thinking that same thing when writing this post, but if we didn't wrote what we did, then how do we expect to receive our answers?
It's great that you're humble, but we need ideas! Honestly! Any idea is good, and don't worry if it's not the best idea... It's the best idea that you could think of in a short timespan, and it's better than nothing! Look around the comments - it's the only idea that is discussed. I appreciate you sharing it!!!
Now, I will share my thoughts on it, but please don't get discouraged because I don't know everything about everything... I just share my 2 cents.
How do I know this? Every major demonic work: Dictionnaire infernal / Book of the law / Necronomic... Shows the demons as etherials, who can transport easily to any destination that has certain conditions, but no black holes.
A black hole is a term used by liars in NASA to explain things that they can't explain. (And keep in mind, I'm only suggesting my point to be refuted by you - if you have a stronger argument - you win!)
Has anyone seen a black hole?
Does anyone know how devastating a black hole is without never seeing one? It could be a fear tactic, so others are afraid to explore it.
Occultism shows that any demon can be summoned in any place and no black hole is necessary. That's one example that can backed up with proofs.
Star Trek is fiction that is used to make us believe in aliens. Any cosmical propaganda there is... Same as the X-files... A tv show is not a way to back up claims, when we know they use actors and lies to make this believable. My point is that a show alone cannot verify anything, but a show and a real situation can.
Sorry if I am too pushy on this topic, but these are counter arguments - these you will see in any debate. How are you replying to them is up to you. What really helps are sources, proofs, and any conspiracy-related topic on the subject.
I would like to hear your views on this!
Indeed. But where is it?
We'd all want someone to take care of our troubles, but it seems like this place has none active moderators... One solutions could be for you to create your own page and moderate it as well as you can, another would be to call for a community that would visit a forum and place certain people, that you trust, as moderators...
If you want to create your own community, I will help with everything that I have. But I suck as a moderator. I can flag things for you, if you want, but I wouldn't want to make the final decisions. If you have an idea for a new commity, you have my full support! Many will benefit from such a place!
Well .... there are many ways to go with this.
I'd love to write a main post on black holes this week but it might be discussion-stifling because I tend to go high-effort. That's different from starting a post on a generic topic because I have a lot of opinions coming to the table by suggesting the topic. Plus I can still get called "christiantard trump troll" regardless of its applicability, and that leads to a need for the sidebar rule "respect other views".
I'd love to suggest conspiracy topics weekly for "round table" but I'd hope that it's because there's critical mass to get an actual forward-moving discussion. Weekly topics of varying quality would lead to risks of monopolization (as above), of general disinterest leading to attrition, and of dilution (sliding and echo chamber).
This is also a situation where I'd consider moderating if the community would have me, because there isn't much burden there and I wouldn't promise anything other than objectivity.
I have a few communities, but didn't create one for conspiracies specifically because of this one. My taking the names c/FlatEarth, c/Nazi, and c/Holocaust has not resulted in much. Right now the new c/4thHorsemanNews by u/Tetartos_Ippeas is having a great debut for conspiracies and we could cross-pollinate in either direction.
Looking at it in general, it seems that a combination of renewal of c/Conspiracies along with a continuing boost to c/4thHorsemanNews would be useful if there are enough people and if they don't have axes to grind. Conspiracy theorists recognize that any group of ten or more is always infiltrated by the cabal anyway, so we must work around that. Collaboration is good but I would have no expectation that we would necessarily have instant teaching-learning sessions because there are so many other ways people interact. That's why I limit myself to certain paths, (1) flip answers that I don't have to defend, (2) detailed answers for my own and the lurkers' sakes without any requirement that anyone listen, and (3) requests for commitment to a shared goal (such as "God") so that the goal itself can be held up later as a witness if the discussion goes awry. If someone wants to be argumentative it's not my job or interest to join debate, but I do when I can use a path like one of those. If there are enough people who work like that then maybe "collaboration" becomes community.
I'll write something brief at Meta to see where it goes.
We carry that burden wherever we go... Do you really care?
We will get insulted 100%.
Your high effort will be appreciated by other people, who put high effort. If the low-effort people insult you, do you actually care? Because you shouldn't.
You should never fear speaking your own mind. If that's against someone's rules, then you should ask yourself: Would you mute yourself, so other feel comfortable? But one day muting yourself will eat you up...
Two possibilities:
or
So how can being mute help in any case?
Not really. You're asking for the popular vote. How can the popular vote be against the community?
I previously lost all "weekly round tables" discussions because other news were current, while mine were old. I never blamed the community when my topic wasn't discussed. Rather I realized that there's a time for it, and it's after the most recent topics that developed currently have been discussed.
We should speak more and more on many topics. The enemy wants us silent, and that's another reason why we should speak louder and louder!
"This is also a situation where I'd consider moderating if the community would have me, because there isn't much burden there and I wouldn't promise anything other than objectivity."
Anyone here up to a vote? We need a moderator and u/SwampRangers offers his help. We have been without posts that unite our thinking for very long... We need a moderator urgently! Please cast your vote! It's ok if it is for yourself even.
You say you made 3 but you give up on your ego and promote a 4th one - not done by you... Respect for that! Honestly!
I will visit them all, we need to expand! Hope others visit them too!
You see collaboration and you work for it. I cast my vote for you as moderator of c/Conspiracies!
To me, you have proven that you left your ego behind and you want to accomplish the goal of the community. That does come with challenges from shills that would want to break you, but I know you're better than me, so I cast my vote firmly towards a person that is able to defend his position and leave his ego - you!
You didn't have to prove your worth, but you did it anyway, for the best of this community. I really hope you can help us forward!
I hope we can vote for a moderator from this point on, so we can finalize it in a week. Anyone can cast their own votes. It's fine, if you vote for yourself even.
It has one advantage, namely priority on saying and doing more important things (than e.g. black holes).
You ask that at c/Conspiracies? Henry Robert was smart but has been gamed six ways from Sunday.
Speaking very specifically of that, math has proven that communities cannot make meaningful decisions with more than two options. I'd suggest we first start with status quo (Wild West, no active mods) vs. change (by default, petition for a moderator). During that discussion, consensus may well develop on a list of names without a vote, but a second vote on particular names might help frame consensus. But votes in general are ... sus.
I appreciate your kind words, and affirm your desire to light a fire under the community; but I'm losing track of how many people have suggested themselves for mod (and how many in jest), and part of the rejuvenation will almost certainly involve a very important related community question, namely acceptance or rejection or agnosticism toward collectivism (to speak in code). If my code is unclear, check c/Conspiracies/new to see if there's a majority theme that keeps recurring here that might not be at all aligned with c/Conspiracies/top?sort=all and get back to me.
Compared to what? There are many discussions currently for this day alone. If you think your topic deserves a better insight - go post it. There are some posts that hold no real value currently, so you're definitely not doing anyone any good by not discussing it... That was my point - if you want something discussed - open a discussion about this.
But if I misunderstood your point, what do you prioritize currently that blocks a discussion about black holes, as you want those answers? I think we can focus on priorities while we also discuss non-priority matters, that's my view.
I don't know about Henry Robert... In the little info from wiki he wrote some manual about his own poor performance, and the discussion rose to a conflict... If that's what you meant, then you're probably focusing on the angry users, who spew nothing but insults...
As a mod, you will be able to mute them. That's the solution.
If they don't know how to reply, then you set the tone and lead by example. And if someone is making it into a conflict - give him a strike and a message to remind him of a potentially normal answer that he might've given, contrasting to the current insult-fest that was provided.
I can write more, but I might be wrong about this Henry Robert example you gave and my 2-minute research might be all wrong...
Please give me more information on this topic, so I can understand it and write an appropriate reply.
You meant "history", not "math". I'm kinda touchy on the subject of math but I know what you meant.
Even so, should we change our own ways to accomodate the beasts? Or should the beasts accomodate to us? For me, there is no question that we must set the bar, and whoever goes over it, that's the people we need.
If some users can't deal with a simple vote, then what are they even worth?
I'm not sure I understand you perfectly here... I don't see how votes are "sus"... We're not the government... We won't abuse the voting system... Or do I misunderstand you completely?
I'm sorry, I tried what you said, but I couldn't figure it out. "Acceptance, or rejection, or agnosticism toward collectivism" is not our problem, in my opinion. We can crush those topics through a debate. And a mod should be impartial to those topics, just making sure that a respectful discussion exists and it's following the topic.
Sorry, if I didn't understand you... I couldn't crack the code... You can write a personal message to me, if you fear something in open communication like that... I checked everything you said, but I don't connect that to any belief or agnosticism. Personally, I believe in Jesus, but I would never mute someone for talking against him, rather I would demolish him with facts. That's my opinion, if I understand you correctly, and I'm not sure I do. Please write me a message, or personal message, without a code, so the dumbess that I am could get it clearly. Sorry, I know it's frustrating to send a message and the other one to never understand it, but it's frustrating to me as well to read something and not get it. I hope you understand.
Here’s a set of links to the ones from the old forum:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/roundtables
I think only a few were done here - one of which was on Human Potential ( c/HumanPotential ):
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17r99493yB/featured-documentaries/c
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/15JnYrQl1s/roundtable-discussion-hitler-and/c
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/15IEhHpFxO/round-table-mass-shootings/c
Maybe a couple more in Clem or axo’s profile
Amazing effort!
Thank you for doing that!
Can you think of a way that this would be a community effort and not just your hard work?
Hey, cheers, thanks man - but really all I did was a quick search for the old forum’s posts (which axo actually collated, which you can see at the bottom of that reddit page) and a quick scroll through Clem’s old posts
I agree with many of the issues you’ve listed - the people still posting here often seem to live in their own worlds and make very little effort to connect their posts to the “interests of the community” so-to-speak…
If I could only make one suggestion, it might be to try and reinvigorate this place (in terms of members/contributors) would be to “advertise” well made posts in the other, few forums left on this site (namely the donald, kotaku in action, and the qtard board).
Also, tangentially, I’ve noticed that this place has far more posters than commenters. A few guys here just kinda spew the same shit over and over and over while no one bothers to engage with it (because why would you?) - like that guy who just posts screenshots and copy/pasted text from his retarded “conversations” with ai, seem to make up a quarter of the forum at any given time - which is to say, some new blood could probably help the place
That's more than most people. And literally everyone, who answered the post, so what you did is huge! If someone does something little, but it's the best thing that you can do at the time - then you've done a great service!
If you need help with this, then I offer mine. I don't think I've joined those, but if there's anything you need there, I can offer my limited skills.
True.
I got the reply from some user that never replied to his posts that he never checks the comments... That's literally reducing to 0 the chance to interract with the community, but somehow he read my comment, so there is still hope for people in here. Probably they got discouraged from the many shills that comment and never post in here...
If you have something in mind, I have free time, I'm able to edit videos to make compilations on many topics, I have a big database on many topics also... I can try to help you, if you have any idea how to reinvigorate this place, or any other. I ask nothing in return.
Please help me, and help the people in conspiracy forums to have a direction! Even if we can't do this, we would've at least tried...
Just please don't leave this just as a comment... Let's do something... Whatever it is. Let's make an effort and see how it pays out.
You’re right
I’ll try to think of something worth making an effort/discussion post around
Tangentially, it feels to me like part of the reason for this place stagnating has to do with the feeling that everything these days feels like a conspiracy, so unlike, say, 10 years ago on reddit (99% normie shit with that remaining 1% being funneled into r/conspiracy), it feels like discussion has spread (and thus diluted) all over the place, yknow? Reddit and the other normie sites are all lefty “conspiracy” shit these days (aka “fuck right wingers!”) while sites like this become more of an inverted mirror to that, rather than the older feeling of people of various “biases” coming together over the shared recognition of how fake and gay everything is - hopefully that made some sense lol it’s a bit early for deep thoughts for me hah
I’ve been making most of my recent posts on c/Manna, usually I see them has having “cross-appeal” on the different forums, but I also like to make very open ended posts, which I see as kind of “Rorschach tests”, in that different people tend to see different things in them, and I find people sometimes get annoyed by that. Idk
That's actually very deep thinking into the mind of different forums' users, I really appreciate that.
If you could desire a specific outcome with your posts, or your ultimate post, what would that be? Disregard all, who read it, just the specific post that you think would have the most truth in it to turn the tables... If that is even possible...
Don't think of what people would like to see... Think of what is the truth, and how can we create this ultimate project as well as we possibly can. The correct people would then be attracted by it. And if you think about it, that's our target audience.
Just consider someone with a lot of saved videos/files/books on conspiracies, someone with skills in editing videos (not perfectly, but I can learn new skills easily in less than a day)... If you could command this person to help you to do the ultimate work that could possibly perfectly help a newcomer into conspiracies, or focus a veteran into the correct direction, what would that be?
No need to rush a reply, just think of what you want to see finalized... I have some things in mind, but my last project required a lot of time, and I did it alone, so it would be faster if we both work on it... (don't want to pressure you, but I have searched for someone to help me slightly, while I can do all the heavy lifting... You have great ideas and insight... I would like to use them to create some kind of a final documentary, or at least a starting one, so we can see what we can do united...)
Think about it... I'm not the best in what I do, but certainly I can save you some time in this ultimate project. Probably you can check your posts in c/Manna and decide what post is the best, if you're happy with those posts. If not, I would be doing that alone, as usual, but it will require more time...
You have great insight! I can do the hard, boring work. Can we make something out of this? I can give you examples of hard-hitting documentaries that are worth to watch by any researcher... If you don't have any ideas, I can suggest some... But I need a strong brain, like yours, to make a moderate project into a hard-hitting one...
If you could spare the time, I would greatly appreciate that!
The quality of posts here has definitely been very low. I don't see a lot to do with Trump but a lot of very speculative and unprovable assertions and brain damaged posts. I don't think wild speculation and bad ideas should be banned or deleted but not enough people are downvoting them.
Also we could do with more high quality posts. The highest quality posts would assert a conspiracy or similar claim and explain it in detail with links for support. Or it could be a link post to an article that does this. Other decent quality posts could be links to news articles and other pieces of evidence to support conspiracy claims.
That's usually the reason why most people don't even bother - they think too much of themselves and too little of others...
In my experience, everyone was an idiot, and everyone was smart - including you and me. If you go into the megalomaniac abyss, how can you recognize who is worth the trouble and who isn't?
Actually, smart people can debate and defeat anyone. Even an ignorant dumb person. A smart person can demolish the argument of a dumb person until nothing is left, so these were the people I was aiming to attract with this post.
If you just give up when you meet dumb people, then you're not of any practical use in 2025, are you?
I wanted to attract people, who can debate well. That's why the major word was "DISCUSSION"... Who can discuss?
A person, who gives up their argument?
A person, who doesn't give up their argument?
It's rhetorical to show the obvious successful point. And to contrast that with your actions.
You can insult anyone as "christiantard trump trolls" but have you achieved anything with this?
You lie poorly.
Yes, you do. You are in a conspiracy sub in hopes that something would change. Even if you don't admit that to yourself now - you still do.
I know how aggravating can get when nobody listens to you... Then you just go "fuck it! Have it your way then... Experience the downfall first hand..."...
But then you will remember that you're not like those NPCs and your fate is not as easy as theirs. Your life will be hard, as it is supposed to be. You're put in this place because you can take it, so another one can be on the easy path because they can't take it... Do you understand that?
You serve a very important purpose... But truthfully, without it, who are we then?
You can abandon it for a time, that's allowed - I've done it. But what do we do next? We return to the same place where people seek the truth at the cost of their friends, family, status, etc.
You can convince yourself that you've given up all you want... but you and I know that you didn't. You're way more important than you realize... That's why you can't quit.
It's not a matter of "turning the tide", it's a matter of turning one person against the tide... And you are that one person. You were turned at some point... Why is it so impossible to turn another?
I've been at your place, I know how exhausting is to work your ass off to wake people up, just so they can spit in your face... But I also know how every insult is forgotten when you wake up just one person... And I always wonder - that person could've been me at the time...
You have to fight. You are rare... You are very much needed in the battle ahead.
Atl (water) + xolotl (slippery one)... https://www.etymonline.com/word/axolotl
It would contradict nature for axolotl to remain in place.
Only at center of energy can one focus...collaboration with one another distracts ones focus.
A topic cannot be primary, since it implies a secondary topping upon a primary foundation.
Collab/collar/collum - "neck". Working together tempts one to ignore that work (energy) sets each power within apart from one another. Cause and effect aren't collaborating with one another...
Sleight of hand for those with eyes to see... https://genius.com/Wu-tang-clan-protect-ya-neck-lyrics
"Watch your step/stebh (to support)...protect ya neck (to collaborate)"
Only nature pushes (inception) and pulls (death)...others push ideals/idols to pull one in, by tempting one to hold onto (own).
Nature cannot be owned... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_nature
So like united states; united nations; soviet union; european union; united kingdom aka tikkun olam (repairing the world by bringing together)?
:D
The dumbest comments are still yours. :D
Thank you for all the laughs...
The Christcuck legions of Jerusalem slaves have taken over everything. There is no discourse.
Doesn't sound like an opinion on the topic, more like an attempt to trigger... just let me make sure I spell it correctly... "Christcuck legions of Jerusalem"... Whatever is that...
Go write something about people being deceived by Jews and their messianic death cult for 2,000 years you will always net the same 4 to 5 shills telling you that you are a Satanist and the Jews are actually sacred people.
That's why we need moderators to handle that problem!
Wouldn't you like someone to take care of that, so you can speak your mind freely?
P.S.: Someone downvoted you, so in case you think that's me, I will upvote you, because I actually agree with your statement.
But we need mods to help us clear this place from the shills. Also 4-5 shills is an infested forum... Who tf is allowing this?
If you make a family gathering with 4-5 people, who already hate your guts and will do anything to demolish you, then your entire family will be dead... 4-5 shills is way too much. Someone has to do something, wouldn't you agree?
Be more active to select the mods, please. If you're not convinced that we need them in times that there is no moderation and many mods, then let me know - I will convince you that we need proper mods! And your vote counts - we need PROPER mods.
Please make the effort to make this place better. We all need it. And the shills don't like that... So two birds with one stone, imo.