Do you want a make a pool? Or vote in some way for the most important news of the week?
Following Axeotl_Peotl's example, we can go for the most upvoted comment in here as the major topic that should be discussed this week. Most upvotes, or longest discussion WINS.
We can do that every week, so we can try to make this into a community. Otherwise, everyone is just sharing their views - old, new, wrong, right, etc... There is no community work being done in reality.
I know we agree on the majority of the conspiracies, but on some we disagree...
If we make a DISCUSSION posts about a certain topic and we actually manage to finalize it, then we can just copy the link to any new user that has any questions about this topic. I see this as a win for everyone of us. Otherwise, we just share known materials to veterans, who can help with a lot of information.
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How can we activate the veterans in conspiracy research to be more active and share their information with newcomers?
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How can we have a useful debate that actually reaches a useful and truthful conclusion?
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How can we make this community more proactive than it already is?
We should unite our efforts to make a difference, otherwise it's every man for himself... And how has that worked in the past?
It's clear that the enemy wants to divide us, so it might be a good idea to unite in the ideas that we agree on. It seems like a good idea to at least try. I can definitely say that it worked when Axeotl_Peotl was making the pools in the past about the most important conspiracy of the week.
Rules:
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Attack the argument, not the person.
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Add more information to the topic, if you can.
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Expose shills, who have no rational reason to go against any topic.
If you see a positive use for this, please share any topics that you think are relevant. A Charlie Kirk discussion, or a united thread would be very useful, but of course any suggestions would be appreciated, just say what comes to your mind as an important conspiracy topic.
We had already great discussions in here on the Lahaina fires and other topics, where users were compiling big posts that clearly showed the conclusion of a combined research (sorry, if I miss your specific example, I just forget things).
That would be an extremely useful database. If we can compile all the information in one post, someone can share it, someone can make a documentary about it, someone can research for more details...
We all have different qualities that can be useful to expose the truth to others. It is better to share them then just use them on our own. What has been achieved so far by a single individual? But if we combine our resources, we might have a real chance to wake a lot of people with extensive research and firm message that would help them conclude that the mass media is lying.
I'm sorry that I have to be the person to restart this topic, but I haven't seen anything similar in some time in here. (I don't review this forum daily, so if you've done that and I've missed it - I'm sorry). But if we decide on a day that is specifically for these discussions, we might have a real breakthrough using the brains of this community.
If you think that's a good idea - comment your best conspiracy topic.
If you think that I shouldn't start this - make a DISCUSSION post about your best conspiracy topic.
Either way, I hope you can share knowledge between yourselves in a united manner. That would certainly show the greatest result, imo.
And what's the conspiratorial value of "black holes"? What is the aim that you want to achieve with that discussion? (Which could be a basic question to anyone raising a topic, and starting a new discussion.)
Do black holes exist? Do we believe NASA lies? Can we actually go through a black hole? What is your actual motive to give this idea about Black holes?
I agree - no moderation in quite some time... Seems like an echo chamber in here... And if we don't fix it, who will?
I am an absolute idiot in moderation and really understanding those terms... Can you explain that to an absolute idiot like me? I know what the words mean, but I have no idea what you meant by them...
I can do the work - no problem for me, actually I like doing a lot of work... But if you can explain your words to a person, who was never a moderator, but can compile a lot of information if needed... I would really appreciate that!
Maybe it's not the best idea, just what was on my mind this week as I'm uncovering new stuff.
I suppose there's a conspiracy hiding how demons use black holes, how deep the black hole goes, how black holes can be used for time travel, how they teach us about the creation of white holes, Star Trek but for real. This week I became a black hole miner.
Anyway, just getting the black hole rolling .... I was also saying the forum needs an active moderator so that important posts can be put in an index that can be accessed from the sidebar or menu and so that the hottest posts can be given a "sticky" code so that they will appear first on the default feed and attract more attention and reflect the forum well.
That part may be stopping you from talking about the real issues. I was thinking that same thing when writing this post, but if we didn't wrote what we did, then how do we expect to receive our answers?
It's great that you're humble, but we need ideas! Honestly! Any idea is good, and don't worry if it's not the best idea... It's the best idea that you could think of in a short timespan, and it's better than nothing! Look around the comments - it's the only idea that is discussed. I appreciate you sharing it!!!
Now, I will share my thoughts on it, but please don't get discouraged because I don't know everything about everything... I just share my 2 cents.
How do I know this? Every major demonic work: Dictionnaire infernal / Book of the law / Necronomic... Shows the demons as etherials, who can transport easily to any destination that has certain conditions, but no black holes.
A black hole is a term used by liars in NASA to explain things that they can't explain. (And keep in mind, I'm only suggesting my point to be refuted by you - if you have a stronger argument - you win!)
Has anyone seen a black hole?
Does anyone know how devastating a black hole is without never seeing one? It could be a fear tactic, so others are afraid to explore it.
Occultism shows that any demon can be summoned in any place and no black hole is necessary. That's one example that can backed up with proofs.
Star Trek is fiction that is used to make us believe in aliens. Any cosmical propaganda there is... Same as the X-files... A tv show is not a way to back up claims, when we know they use actors and lies to make this believable. My point is that a show alone cannot verify anything, but a show and a real situation can.
Sorry if I am too pushy on this topic, but these are counter arguments - these you will see in any debate. How are you replying to them is up to you. What really helps are sources, proofs, and any conspiracy-related topic on the subject.
I would like to hear your views on this!
Indeed. But where is it?
We'd all want someone to take care of our troubles, but it seems like this place has none active moderators... One solutions could be for you to create your own page and moderate it as well as you can, another would be to call for a community that would visit a forum and place certain people, that you trust, as moderators...
If you want to create your own community, I will help with everything that I have. But I suck as a moderator. I can flag things for you, if you want, but I wouldn't want to make the final decisions. If you have an idea for a new commity, you have my full support! Many will benefit from such a place!
Well .... there are many ways to go with this.
I'd love to write a main post on black holes this week but it might be discussion-stifling because I tend to go high-effort. That's different from starting a post on a generic topic because I have a lot of opinions coming to the table by suggesting the topic. Plus I can still get called "christiantard trump troll" regardless of its applicability, and that leads to a need for the sidebar rule "respect other views".
I'd love to suggest conspiracy topics weekly for "round table" but I'd hope that it's because there's critical mass to get an actual forward-moving discussion. Weekly topics of varying quality would lead to risks of monopolization (as above), of general disinterest leading to attrition, and of dilution (sliding and echo chamber).
This is also a situation where I'd consider moderating if the community would have me, because there isn't much burden there and I wouldn't promise anything other than objectivity.
I have a few communities, but didn't create one for conspiracies specifically because of this one. My taking the names c/FlatEarth, c/Nazi, and c/Holocaust has not resulted in much. Right now the new c/4thHorsemanNews by u/Tetartos_Ippeas is having a great debut for conspiracies and we could cross-pollinate in either direction.
Looking at it in general, it seems that a combination of renewal of c/Conspiracies along with a continuing boost to c/4thHorsemanNews would be useful if there are enough people and if they don't have axes to grind. Conspiracy theorists recognize that any group of ten or more is always infiltrated by the cabal anyway, so we must work around that. Collaboration is good but I would have no expectation that we would necessarily have instant teaching-learning sessions because there are so many other ways people interact. That's why I limit myself to certain paths, (1) flip answers that I don't have to defend, (2) detailed answers for my own and the lurkers' sakes without any requirement that anyone listen, and (3) requests for commitment to a shared goal (such as "God") so that the goal itself can be held up later as a witness if the discussion goes awry. If someone wants to be argumentative it's not my job or interest to join debate, but I do when I can use a path like one of those. If there are enough people who work like that then maybe "collaboration" becomes community.
I'll write something brief at Meta to see where it goes.
We carry that burden wherever we go... Do you really care?
We will get insulted 100%.
Your high effort will be appreciated by other people, who put high effort. If the low-effort people insult you, do you actually care? Because you shouldn't.
You should never fear speaking your own mind. If that's against someone's rules, then you should ask yourself: Would you mute yourself, so other feel comfortable? But one day muting yourself will eat you up...
Two possibilities:
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So how can being mute help in any case?
Not really. You're asking for the popular vote. How can the popular vote be against the community?
I previously lost all "weekly round tables" discussions because other news were current, while mine were old. I never blamed the community when my topic wasn't discussed. Rather I realized that there's a time for it, and it's after the most recent topics that developed currently have been discussed.
We should speak more and more on many topics. The enemy wants us silent, and that's another reason why we should speak louder and louder!
"This is also a situation where I'd consider moderating if the community would have me, because there isn't much burden there and I wouldn't promise anything other than objectivity."
Anyone here up to a vote? We need a moderator and u/SwampRangers offers his help. We have been without posts that unite our thinking for very long... We need a moderator urgently! Please cast your vote! It's ok if it is for yourself even.
You say you made 3 but you give up on your ego and promote a 4th one - not done by you... Respect for that! Honestly!
I will visit them all, we need to expand! Hope others visit them too!
You see collaboration and you work for it. I cast my vote for you as moderator of c/Conspiracies!
To me, you have proven that you left your ego behind and you want to accomplish the goal of the community. That does come with challenges from shills that would want to break you, but I know you're better than me, so I cast my vote firmly towards a person that is able to defend his position and leave his ego - you!
You didn't have to prove your worth, but you did it anyway, for the best of this community. I really hope you can help us forward!
I hope we can vote for a moderator from this point on, so we can finalize it in a week. Anyone can cast their own votes. It's fine, if you vote for yourself even.