Did you want me to understand this? Do you reject that Jesus spoke Hebrew and Aramaic and he said "I am" ("Yahweh") dramatically on many occasions? Do you reject that everybody worships something, i.e. places something as highest good in the universe? Why do you work so hard not to come to the point?
Very good, and I used to take Hislop for 100%, but nowadays I somewhat adjust his work via later discoveries. I think, for good etymological and historical reasons, that Nimrod was Naram-Sin of Akkad (amazing sculpture), 2275?-2218. His triad with wife and son didn't refer to his real unnamed wife and his heir Shar-Kali-Sharri, but to the extant gods Inanna and Dumuzid (later Tammuz). Nimrod claimed the attributes of the powerful Dumuzid when alive, and Tammuz represented the attributes of the impotent Dumuzid (Orpheus) in the underworld. From the link by Terry M. Smith: "Nimrod would greatly refine the blasphemous hoax of pagan religion and enshrine himself as lead deity and savior in a false trinity. He would attach to it a system of mystery rites and filthy carnal sacraments that would serve as the religious actions and conduct for 'Mystery Babylon'. Like a chameleon this system could be adaptable to the vain imaginings of man and the particulars of any culture so as to suit the customs, climate or agricultural needs of any peoples anywhere."
Gilgamesh traditional builder of Uruk, Sumerian Bilgamesh, was probably a prediluvian who was popularized and deified in 2000s Sumer; since he allegedly fought with the son of Mebarasi of Kish (the oldest ruler verified from the Sumerian King List), he is placed in the 2600s. It would be natural at that time to overlay this Sumerian legend onto the Akkadian Namar-Sin legend.
The historical Shamshi-Adad (called Ninus for subduing Nineveh), 850?-811, and Shammuramat (Semiramis), 850?-798, solidified the extant cult with their young son Adad-Nirari, 811?-783, who Semiramis substituted for Tammuz. Obviously also worshippers of Hadad the storm god. (The 19th-century idea that Semiramis and Nimrod were married is an unnecessary mistake, arising from the similarity between Nimrod and the extant Ninus legend associated with kings like Shamshi-Adad, plus Nimrod's wife being anonymous.) Semiramis's work gets you directly to the ladies-first Isis-Horus-Serapis triad.
That's the human side. On the deified side, Marduk son of Enki was the Old Babylonian Amarutu, 1800s, identified with Hadad, the Eblaite Hadda, 2300s or earlier. Osiris is also dated 2500-2300, of which I favor the last half-century (5th dynasty). Ninurta (agricultural, 2600s, Nippur, temple built by Mebarasi) and Ningursi (military, 2100s, Lagash, temple built by Gudea) were merged together easily as the son of Enlil. Because of the extreme rivalry between Enlil and Enki, I have to separate Ninurta-Ningursi out from the rest of the list Nimrod-Marduk-Gilgamesh, despite the claimed lingual similarity, because Nimrod became Zeus-Jupiter, but Ninurta became Cronus-Saturn. You are right (thanks) that Serapis was the Greco-Egyptian syncretism of Ptolemy Soter c. 300, originally Wsjr-Hp (Osiris-Apis), but I note this also appears calculated to bring in a title of Enki/Ea as well, Sar-Apsi (which we could call "czar Abzu", lord of the abyss), found in the Talmud as Sarapis.
Of all these names, Dumuzid seems the likeliest to go back the farthest, into the fourth millennium BC, given the SKL. See, there are several layers before Nimrod's Babel, even though Babylon is a convenient name for them all. From the link: "False religion, and therefore Mystery Babylon’s foundations, were laid as early as the Garden of Eden and the expulsion that took place there and the subsequent Satanic conspiracy of the fallen angels of the Antediluvian Era which nearly provoked God into destroying the entire human race. From passages in Genesis six we understand that some of the fallen angels had left their first estate in heaven and had taken on the likeness of human flesh so they could cohabit with the daughters of men and create a dominant race of half‑man, half‑god supermen who would rule on earth as 'gods'. As studies in comparative religion show, a belief in false religion was imbedded in the hearts of Man and established world‑wide."
When we get to Christianity, of course there's a heterodox segment that gives Mary-Miriam full divine worship; the rest of the church is left with the very interesting (Jesuitic) question of how much hyperdulia can be given to a human, seeing as humans get dulia (service) all the time without it counting as full divine worship (e.g. the NT's words for "worship" to baby Jesus are all used with respect to other humans). That is, it must be judged whether the casuistry of how to serve Miriam is sufficiently separated from logolatry such as offered to Zeus and Hermes. For our purposes, though, more important is to judge the degree to which the true Creator's pattern (in forming mothers and children) is partially revealed in advance of corruption and the degree to which counterfeiters guess ahead or copycat behind that true pattern. (Which is why I'm tracking whether IHS has any real connection with Jesus.)
Thanks! The reason I asked is that S is said to be supposedly Seb or Set, but these sound like modern theorizing when Serapis would be the natural completion of the pantheon. Yet all three are speculative. There is both this pagan route and the very obscure macaronic Christian route that later became "IHS XPS", and it seems the conflation didn't favor the Christians.
"Oserapis" is confirmed 666 with omicron, I've seen it as Osoroapis; "O" would be elided as sounding like an article. Alexander worship is probably derivative from the Great; I can imagine true Christians countering by titling Jesus "Defender of Man", but I wouldn't phrase it as above. Any interpretation of IHS plus cross as "IHTIS" meaning ichthus would be very specious and probably late derivative, not from the primitives. I'm less interested in the pre-Nicene revivalists and Masons.
The smoking gun would be some demonstration that IHS was in pagan use and flowed into Christian use, or alternatively some demonstration that Christians had a legitimate route to abbreviate Jesus as IHS before the pagans got to it. Neither of those have turned up.
When John Paul Jones won the Battle of Flamborough Head after allegedly declaring "I have not yet begun to fight", the ship he seized from Britain was the Serapis.
So you let my assertion stand that everyone worships, you've provided no evidence for your nebulous charge of a psyop related somehow to "desert child sacrificers", and you pretend that because you state it as an implied syllogism then it isn't an appeal to the mass hysteria here (i.e. of denial of Yahweh). I wonder what you think people should have said to Jesus when (evidence indicates) he said "I am" in Hebrew as "Yahweh".
Ya gotta serve someone, said Dylan. If you think my question is mindless spam when five people assert similar responses to OP that the same question refers to, there may be a cognizance gap.
Wouldn't a conspiracist find it odd that an OP directed to Christians attracts five people speaking against Yahwism, including yourself, leaving only OP and myself in the minority? There is no evidence presented that current Yahwism is the psyop here!
What well-defined entity do you worship and why would you have any traffic with Yahweh worshippers?
What well-defined entity do you worship and why would you have any traffic with Yahweh worshippers?
No no, I was asking u/LightBringerFlex. [Who has now answered well, since Yahweh is "I AM".]
What well-defined entity do you worship and why would you have any traffic with Yahweh worshippers?
Noted that you don't want to answer for your inconsistency. You speak as if "the Father" is a good and yet you gutter the conversation immediately upon being asked to defend the good. Perhaps you desire to investigate the Biblical truth before being so quick to dismiss it; truth has no fear of contradiction or need to defend itself, so it'll be around whenever you're ready.
Has anyone published the link between IHS and Isis-Horus-Serapis [exactly]?
those who rebel in evil fall into insanity and rarely ever get out of it
Everyone eventually finds the narrow gate to salvation ... all will eventually find God in the end although some trial and error is involved
How do those two jibe?
The concerns here then are not the psyops but several points on which it's important (but not essential) to have accurate data, so I'll just list them for bookmark reference under their trad names: postmortem salvation, evolution, subhumans, Biblical errancy, higher criticism, antihate, preexistence, pre-Adamites, universalism, Christ consciousness, species hybrids, Nibiru, alternative DNA.
Okay, call it amnesia on my part then. I kinda see where OP is going and the issue if any is not there but elsewhere. I'm unclear on what psyops we should beware of with this specific OP other than ascribing too much power to the Anunnaki or the UAPs.
Good, do you mean Yahweh, Ehyeh, and Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh?
Because the one who spoke to Moses was the Malakh Yahweh (Ex. 3:2), the same Angelos tou Theou identified with Jesus (Gal. 4:14, Rev. 1:1 ff.). That may be the meaning of the name Ehyeh.
No no, I was asking u/LightBringerFlex.
What well-defined entity do you worship and why would you have any traffic with Yahweh worshippers?
No no, I was asking u/LightBringerFlex.
What well-defined entity do you worship and why would you have any traffic with Yahweh worshippers?
He also said he and Yahweh were one and had the same glory. Do you think the Christian's belief, that Jesus is a testimony of Yahweh in the same way the Abba and the Ruach are, hinders growth?
Your point was?
Seeing as you base your identity on something you don't seem to like (the cross), what is your exact problem with the cross? It's not that the cross tempts people to keep Hanukkah like Jesus did ....
The value of an individual mining reward is very small relative to all extant bitcoins. When you mine often enough, the value of your reward is rightly comparable to the amount of work you've done, all the goal and nongoal calculations averaged together. If Bitcoin rewarded lucky stiffs unduly it'd be unfair, but it's proven rigorously that it doesn't, it rewards committed laborers.
Authors get paid for the thousands of hours of writing, not just for the time it takes an uneducated typist to copy out the final text.
The white paper proves proof. The math is open. Desirable labor processing is a good. It may be "busywork" in one sense, but its value is that it is proven by blockchain to have contributed to objectively awarded holdings, and more have come to realize that this busywork is a lot more valued than that of the federal government deskworkers.
I could certainly publish here my unique further proof that Bitcoin itself involves some deception and frontloading for early adopters, and I have evidence I haven't seen anyone else publish. But this is knowably without my publication, and the distribution system itself is resilient and scalable enough to overcome its flaws. And that's a totally different argument from saying you don't value the proven labor that a bunch of other people value. It works whether you join it or not, and even whether people bail on it ("run" or "crash" it) or not.
Jesus came to give organ to an organism, organically, which is totally different from coming to organize an organization, orgiastically.
I suppose it could well be light and dream, as I hadn't thought about it taking that form; that would solve a couple physics problems. DNA isn't always acidic, is it now? Plus this whole forum communicates with light (via copper or fiberglass).
I spread love at c/Christianity, also hate. I appreciate that you accept my response. There is much on this platform that I address with different types of response. You're free to check in if you can handle the freshness of audience.
I see that you seek other entities than Grays and Reptilians. I recommend Alien Encounters by Missler and Eastman, which reveals that Jesus is such an entity.
Truly Deity is only found within us because all finding happens within us.
Truly Deity is also greater than all things, because it transcends things.
So God is "not outside of us", and also is outside of us.
Keep in mind that angels want to join us as much as we want to join them, and as different entities we have different but complementary destinies.
Angels reveal Deity differently than we do.
All this logically means that of all humans choosing light, one of them is the greatest of all time and has revealed more of Deity than anyone else.
My conclusion is that this man is Jesus Christ and so in choosing light I must weigh what he says (to me and via third parties) as the highest testimony.
The nature of "coming" is exceedingly deeper than explored here.
Deity both IS and COMES: Deity is revealed through the present and is also increased through the present.
That means that every moment is the coming of more Deity into this universe at the same time that it's the expression of the present Deity we already know and experience.
There are also major advances in history that are called comings but predicting them is not the point of this essay.
Rather, we should at all times be conduits for Deity being and coming.
Fair enough, my views have grown over time. So light bodies, I suppose? My primary issue is that our organic energy must still be so much more aligned than currently to overcome the threshold called for for this generation that we should resist e.g. the feeling of letup by 77 million people and we should redouble our synchronization and synergy. c/Reptilians is so quiet nowadays.
Yes, thanks Winston, but five people on this thread questioned that, and one of them knows better.
The deep dive into paganism has been worth it! It isn't always.