General consensus is that normies are naive, brainwashed, believe everything the news tells them etc, etc... But is that really so? Maybe they are not as dumb as we think they are? Maybe most of them know it's a lie, they just choose to go along with the narrative?
Sure, there always will be some who are genuinely duped, but I'm not sure it's the majority. Like, when covid was going on, I met a lot of normies who publicly went along with the narrative, but privately it was obvious that they are not afraid of the scary virus at all. They didn't admit it out loud (even privately), but their actions were telling that (at least on some level) they know it's bullshit.
I find this thought a quite dark and depressing one. That would mean most of the people are happy to accept a lie and live with it just because it offers them some sort of benefit or simply because it's easier that way. Maybe this is why getting the truth out is not as effective as we'd like it to be. Also, that would mean mass awakening is probably not forthcoming, because there's nothing to awake from. Normies for the most part are already awake. They just don't care.
I've met a few that are rabid in their beliefs. When they talk, they sound just like CNN or whoever they're listening to. Hell, I've seen conservatives do the same thing but in the opposite direction. Normies from both political spectrums believe we're the crazy people and we know they are. There is a percentage that doesn't want to know (such as my wife) and bury their thoughts in mindless media such as drama, sitcoms and such. Anything but reality for them
Sure, I've met them too. Still, I'd say that those rabid ones are in minority. For example, from all covid believing normies I know in real life I'd say only one was the way you described... and few others who were not exactly rabid, but it seemed they really believe in official propaganda. All the rest of them though... I don't know... they went through the motions, they parroted all the slogans, but I didn't get impression that they actually believe in it. Also, most of them didn't follow any stupid protocols in private, but defended them when asked.
Same holds true today as well. They repeat all the catchphrases and might even argue a bit, but it looks more like automaton repeating a program than actual belief and real thought process.
I think most people went with the program because they didn't want their little world getting upended. Most people are comfortable even if things aren't great. I think they fear it might get worse if they don't do as they are told
Yep, that's exactly what I meant. Really believing something is not quite the same as simply going with the narrative because this or that reason.
They call it "TV Programming" for a reason.
I personally know people that will not take the leap of knowing the cold hard truth.
Ignorance is bliss.
Yeah, but if they have to actively avoid information it means they do realize something is amiss. It's as if they've made conscious decision to not know.
They are basically defending the normie worldview either by avoiding information that can potentially expose it as wrong or by rationalizing newfound information forcing it to fit within their paradigm (that's the point when you hear them say outlandish and incoherent stuff; they will even make up their own conspiracy theories as a coping mechanism).
What they understand is that their pensions and 401k's, their retirements are under the control of people they know are the problem. With humans, on an individual level, we are merely concerned for our own safety and well being first and foremost, except for fathers.
This coping mechanism was programmed into society throughout the late 70's into the early millennium. It's behavior mechanism is present in the young that took the jab. And those that understand that Reid Hoffman couped Coup'mala into the nomination, but stay silent because being at parties is fun.
MKULTRA stuff
When I started to view them as cowards it all started to make sense.
If it wasn't for cowardice none of the problems facing Whites would exist.
That's why I hate them. If they were simply ignorant or stupid then I would pity them, but that isn't the case.
Find something that everyone knows is wrong but which everyone accepts and try to fight it. Not only will they not help you, a lot of the time they'll passively ("why are you wasting your time?") Or actively ("you're making people unconfortable/unsafe") try to stop you, because your success shows their failure, and their failure is due to cowardice.
That's why I generally stop at trying to get the word out. None of my kids got the jab. Their education wasn't sabotaged, because I pulled them out of school. They're openly anti-tranny and Queer.
If all those terrible things happened to your kids, I'm not even going to bother with "I told you so", because you already knew.
I've noticed it too. You can't fully express your views, your values and your position not because it's wrong or false, but because it exposes lack in other party's views or values. I often tone it down a bit. Sometimes unconsiously, sometimes consciously. People don't like being pulled out of their comfort zone. If you do it too quickly they'll switch to defense mode and once they do, nothing else matters anymore. If they are in defence mode no arguments, proof or even common sense won't work anymore.
I can't say I hate them though. I used to be angry, but now I'm just sad, I guess... Sad that humanity has turned out the way it has.
Yes, cowardice. In OP I mentioned not caring, but there might be a lot of other reasons as well. Cowardice, laziness, social pressure (which should count as cowardice, I guess) and so on... One reason in particular could be cold calculation. Those people are probably even worse than cowards.
Normies don't believe anything. I've come to realize most people do not have principles, values, and thoughts. They are animalistic in nature, acting on instinct and then rationalizing it posthoc. As an example, most people may say they are against trannies because it is a perversion of nature or against God, but from what I've observed the majority of those people start from the point of "ew this is disgusting to me" and then rationalize their disgust with principles they do not always keep, but are convenient now. It seems to be the minority of us that evaluate first to inform our opinions (not to say we can't have instincts either, but still my beliefs are downstream from thoughts and values whereas for most they seem to be downstream from instincts and desires which are later rationalized).
Point here being, normies do what they want, if they crave security and acceptance they will believe anything and won't think anything of it
I find the tranny thing funny because I've seen people vehemently opposed to trannies on the ground that it's undermining our society while, at the same time, fighting for women being allowed into sports, employment, and politics.
Yeah, but will they actually believe? Or will they just make believe?
They don't have actual beliefs, not in the way you or I might, so that's a difficult question to answer
I think I know what you mean and you could be right. Usually we assume that for most people thought process is more or less the same, but that might not be the case. In other words, NPCs really might exist.
I think they do have beliefs, opinions and convictions but they mostly stand on shaky ground, are superficial in their comportment with reality and are unexamined. That's because they didn't come to those beliefs themselves but were indoctrinated by the system from an early age through society, education and media.
I can remember the time I was somewhat of a normie and I most definitely wholeheartedly believed the things I thought about the world and eventually I came to realize most of it was some default programming and not the result of conscious and independent research of information and reasoning. The good news is that once this realization comes, there's no coming back and a person will deprogram himself.
One of the Big Secrets which is being hidden is the true nature of human consciousness. Normies are normies because of how they think, which is different from how it is universally and unquestioningly assumed to be.
Part of it is the way they determine what is real. Normies determine what is real from those they consider "authorities", from parents to the fancy people on TV. Left on their own, normies can determine reality just fine, but the pronouncements from authorities can overcome all facts and sense and even first-hand experience.
It's like they're sitting next to the smart kid in their algebra class. Every time they take a test, they make sure their answers match those of that smart kid. Since they have to "show their work", if they can't match his answer on their own, they'll just make something up.
The key observation is this: Suppose that in the course of showing their work on a test question, they come up with an answer different than that of the smart kid. There is almost no chance they will write down their own answer.
There is much more to the full scope of the situation, but the Elites manipulate by making sure people think they're the smart kid in class.
Those are some good points. Was it you who recommended Julian Jaynes and his book The Origin of Consciousness? Well, whaddayaknow, I did actually read it! Found it very thought provoking as well. Thanks!
This time, however, my idea was that while large part of normies really might be incapable of independent thought outside their percieved authority, perhaps for some other part it's more like cold calculation and not literal wiring of their brain. Like, they don't really believe in mainstream narrative, but have decided to go along with it (and go along hard, even in private) because that way they can recieve some perks from the system. For example, because it's easier, there's less social pressure that way, because they want to have a carreer in some normie-only profession... etc, etc...
I guess the main difference here is in the process itself. How exactly this outsourcing of thought process happens. Was it conscious or unconscious? Was it more like a choice or more like a literal wiring of a brain? Things like that.
Well, probably the first thing to keep in mind is that this is all a shift in paradigm.
That is to say, you can't take the body of current scholarship and research then just select and and adjust your way to the correct view. You have to throw out the very foundations of it and set a new foundation.
But once that's done, you can actually go back and pick up the scattered masonry and start construction again. It wasn't the facts themselves that were wrong, but how they were interpreted and given sense.
So take a general form of the current question: "How does a person know what's true?" To answer it, perhaps you would study the page on epistemology. Maybe you start thinking that these damn normies better start studying some damn epistemology!
But we are already, at this very first step, trapped in the current and incorrect paradigm. That page assumes that for the important task of determining objective reality, every human being follows a rational process. That is unstated on the page and unconscious in whoever wrote it. And it's wrong on every point.
In the "normie" or "NPC" mode, people are driven by their subconscious. Their essential goal might be called "safety". That is achieved in many forms in many different situations, but you can easily see the basic ones: "go along to get along", "move with the herd", "follow instructions", "do the smart thing", "mind your own business", etc.
Well, you can see that none of those involve a rational process. Rather, after the decision is made and the course set, the only process--if necessary--is rationalization.
Only on rare occasions when pressed hard will a normie say something like, "I don't care of it's true or not." Their subconscious knows they sound like a fool and that does not bring safety. So they will reverse engineer any reasoning, any facts, any moral principles to justify their beliefs and actions.
So from that we find that for them, there is no objective reality or--for that matter--objective morality either. Things are true because they need to be true at that point in time. Even the concept that reality needs to be real has no inherent importance. Try finding any of this mentioned as part of epistemology.
That's the cold calculation you mentioned, but where it becomes apparent is in the mid-level consciousnesses scattered about. A good example is Bill Maher, although I've been collecting a list of others.
The vast majority of the time, Bill goes along with the progressive line and spouts all the same dumb talking points and bullshit reasoning. But every once in a while, Maher comes across with the same things that would come out of your mouth or mine. When you focus on this phenomenon, it's stark. How is it possible?
The mid-level straddles that line, trying to move from rationalizing to rational. The problem is, there is one correct rational analysis but innumerable rationalizations. Bill is a smart guy with access to lots of info, so he can conduct the rational analysis. Bill is also firmly in the liberal milieu and gets all the rewards from it.
So it ends up being like pouring water into an upside-down funnel. Some gets through but not much. As an example, go back and study his comments after he met with Trump very, very carefully. His rational analysis--his first-hand experience, no less--is that Trump is personable even with a critic, he's well-informed and wants to do the right thing, etc, etc. But all that is at war with how Bill "knows" that Trump is "bad".
Interestingly, Bill can't bring himself to say something which is actually quite simple and reasonable like, "You know, I think it's possible I may have been wrong all this time about Trump. Maybe I was the bad guy in this." It's a related but bigger subject, but the NPC and mid-levels of consciousness also do not possess the same kind of morality it is assumed they do. They virtually always begin by assuming themselves to be the "good guys" and it is thus literally unquestionable.
As to the precise mechanism behind the three states of human consciousness (NPC, mid-level, fully awake), no one knows. It should, however, not be considered spiritual or magical or mysterious or anything like that unless it is clearly demonstrated to be so.
A very good analogy is the phenomenon of color-blindness. There are the color-blind, the normally-sighted, and for argument we add in people that can see ultraviolet. What is surprising is this: without screening, color-blind people often reach adulthood without themselves or anyone around them ever being aware of their condition.
People assume that what sight is like for them is what sight is like for everyone else. Color-blindness can be extremely difficult to notice. I would claim the same holds for the modes of consciousness.
With an awareness of color-blindness, we've come up with certain screening tests. As for the mechanism, the discovery of cone cells is not even two centuries old, and they were discovered by direct observation with a microscope.
No one has come up with screening tests for consciousness, and we don't have a microscope for internal thoughts. The question may be harder to crack. Also, as mentioned, it's a paradigm shift. Also, you're trying to get (at most, I believe) 5% of consciousnesses to recursively probe the depths of consciousnesses. Also it's a Big Secret so no one is studying it.
I have actually come to detest when people criticize normies as being stupid or guilty of some failing or such. As far as I can tell, they are how they are, they had no choice in the matter, and they are almost certainly incapable of changing the state of affairs.
It's like being angry at an engine for malfunctioning after some a-hole intentionally put the wrong kind of fuel in it. The anger is not going to help and you're angry at the wrong thing anyway.
That's a good breakdown on human thought process. In particular states of human consciousness: NPC, mid, awake. I guess this whole thread is about the middle one. How many of them are out there and what exactly keeps them sticking to the mainstream. Also, is it something outside their control or is it more like calculated effort.
Absolutely. It's almost automatic to assume that everone else's thought process is similar to your own. Which, of course, is not necessarily so.
This is a very good point. Regardless voluntary or not, conscious or uncionscious, this is one of the things that separate normie mindset from what we could call critical one. Bendability of reality and morality. Sure, I can pretend for a while to believe that reality is not objective, but innately I will still stick to the idea that truth is objective and it simply cannot be otherwise.
Another interesting thing to ponder (assuming, for the sake of the argument, that this choice is clear cut and voluntary) would be: Which strategy is better? Is it better to live your life as if there is no objective reality, morality and truth or to live it as if there is? Hmm... At first sight it might seem that normie strategy is better. They can bend whatever current situation requires which supposedly gives them huge advantage, but is that really so? Human mind is simply incapable to calculate all possible future paths. Constantly switching and bending to supposedly winning strategy puts not only huge pressure on an individual, it also opens the mind for various outside manipulations. It is much less stable mind state than always sticking to objective reality no matter what. A very simple example could be the same old covid and vax. Sure, from normie viewpoint it is much easier to just follow the rules, get the poke and recieve priviledges. However, in the long run it is of course a gravely disadvantageous strategy. For each individual on their own as well as for humanity collectively.
I think I agree with you on this one. Even if they do technically have a choice, their mindset is still a result of lifelong conditioning, brainwashing and whatnot else. Although there might be some degree of blame on the mainstream part as well it is still the perpetuator who is the actual guilty party and not the victim.
Besides, it is a very slippery slope. For example, just recently I read a post the idea of which was essentially that the masses deserve what is coming for them. That they themselves have invited it all with their dumbness, consumerism, selfishness, laziness etc, etc. At the end of the post it was even assumed that TPTB are doing almost a good job of sorting wheat from chaff and stuff like that... Damn, this line of thinking really does stink of being a psyop. I could totally imagine elites injecting this kind of gaslighting into the masses in order to demoralize them and put said elites on some kind of moral high ground or something.
There is information I've gathered to back this up, but in summary as to how the modes break down numerically I'm guessing that the "80/20" rule is in effect. That would mean 80% NPCs, 15% mid, and 5% fully awake.
HOWEVER, these are ceilings, deriving from inherent limits in the individual. But each individual has to develop to that highest level. I fear that many mid-level people are stuck at NPC, and many that could be fully awake are stuck at mid. Part of the Big Program and the reason this is a Big Secret is to keep people from developing to their highest level.
For example, someone mentioned that in SRA, they considered it vital to get the victims traumatized by age 7. I recognized this was because humans that were capable would naturally develop to mid around that age, and the Satanists needed to ensure they remained at the NPC level.
Another thing I came to recognize was that others throughout time had been climbing the same mountain I was on, although from different directions and to different heights. Now, I wish I could pin down this next reference more precisely, but I think you'll find it in Mark Passio's "Natural Law" presentation. It's well worth watching in any case.
Mark describes three basic human operating modes as "service to self", "service to others", and "service to the truth". I recognized these as simply being a manifestation of the three modes of consciousness.
To go back to the previous example of Bill Maher and the mid-level consciousness, he believes he's fighting the brave crusade of progressivism, freeing all the oppressed masses or some such thing. And he reaps the rewards, too, but that's only fair for a brave crusader, is it not?
Note well, though, that were he simply serving himself, he would have never even had dinner with Trump in the first place. In fact, you can see he's truly puzzled and disappointed that he got backlash from his audience. Don't they know he's one of the "good guys?" (Are you getting a feel for this now?)
At the highest level, though, reward and punishment are irrelevant. The right thing to do is simply what must be done. There is, for example, a scene in the old show "Firefly" where the vaguely criminal captain realizes that the cargo he jacked was medication badly needed for en epidemic.
The captain badly needs the money, but he decides to return it to the sheriff of the small town it was headed for. The dialog goes like this:
See how--with precision--we can deconstruct the morality here?
As to the last, about blaming others for all the various troubles, I agree this is disturbing and a psyop and--worse--incorrect. Probably the best way to say it is that if you look around, none of the problems we see are by their design. They and their consciousnesses and their beliefs and their actions were just moved around the chessboard by forces that know what's really going on here.
And as to changing that situation, they also cannot be counted on to "wake up", aside from a tiny fraction. But that fraction is crucial. I've heard it said that in the American Revolution, only about 10K out of 3M really knew what was going on politically. That's 0.3%.
Further, as I have yet to write up, the Salem Witches were all over it, making that whole thing look like a giant social engineering project. But it looks to me like that social engineering project eventually got out of control, and that would have been caused by only some part of that 0.3%. Pretty incredible when you think about it.
Finally, being fully awake may seem like some kind of curse at times. If you read the Book of Ecclesiastes, the author is a king who was granted full consciousness for his job, but is surrounded by NPCs. He sees their endless suffering at the hands of the same forces he serves and cannot control. He laments to the unknown reader that he has enjoyed every pleasure known to man, yet he wishes he had never been born.
So it is what it is, you know?
That's for sure. For example, one of the main tasks of general education is not to make people smarter, more capable or more independent, but more uniform, manageable and predictable. Predictability bit is also one of the main reasons why it's compulsory.
This is interesting. Haven't thought about it that way. It seems that most normies usually operate under either "service to self" or "service to others" modes. The elites, of course, operate almost exclusively under "service to self" with some occasional and very limited "service to others" ("others" in regards to their in-group whatever that may be).
This got me thinking about covid thing again. The system was quite invested into duping normies that they are some kind of brave fighters and life savers. All they have to do is just wear a mask and stay home. There were even ads portraying them as some kind of superheroes and whatnot. When being confronted about this, usual normie reaction was very similar to what you described Maher's reaction was: "Don't you know we are the good guys? We don't have time for all these conspiracy theories! We are too busy saving lives and larping as superheroes here!"
I've seen Firefly. A very long time ago. In any case, it's a good example. Yep, doing the right thing does not guarantee a favourable result. Or, one might say, you'll never know what the actual result will be. It might be favourable in a long run (as in my previous comment). It also might be not so favourable.
Yep. I've also used this argument. Usual counterargument is that the masses have allowed it to happen. They have allowed the elites to lure them into consumerism, laziness, selfishness, believing the lies etc. My reply to that is that the masses have been conditioned to be this way. They've been conditioned for all their lives almost on a daily basis. It's no wonder they've turned out as they have. Besides, the elites are more to blame in any case, because it is they who are doing this and not the masses. Even if we do place some blame on the masses as well, I'd say it's about 70/30 or 80/20 with the elites being the most guilty part.
Haven't read it, but I'm familiar with the general outline of it. The king in question was Solomon, if I remember correctly.
Yep, it is what it is. I agree.
Not to drag this out so feel free to stop reading any time, but there's a finer point to be made concerning morality and the "responsibility" of the masses. Also about just what Trump is up to....
It turns out as part of the Big Secret, consciousness and morality are part of the same phenomenon. The NPC consciousness essentially has no in-built morality. It never develops beyond the level of a small child or an animal. We do not generally hold small children or beasts responsible for morality. Although it has been forgotten, this was recognized and written into Catholic Church doctrine, known as the "Age of Reason".
What really happens is this: We are all trained from birth to obey authority. All mammals do that, primarily for safety. In humans, it begins with parents and continues on to teachers, clerics, elected officials, and the fancy people on TV.
NPCs begin with the assumption that they are a "good people". Of course, such an assertion should be the conclusion of a long chain of moral reasoning rather than an assumption, but with an NPC everything is reversed. This is why you can never, say, convince an NPC they have been hypocritical. What you're saying is (in their own mind) contradictory to plain truth.
"Good people" obey authority. You do what your parents say, you don't commit sin, you listen to your teachers and experts and elected officials, all of whom duly earned their positions of knowledge and trust. You will be rewarded both here and in the world to come for doing so, won't you? Those who don't do like you are stupid and ignorant and "bad" people, such as those given to ridiculous conspiracy theory. See how this is all working?
Now, it can barely surface above all the anti-Trump screeching online, but there are some baffling aspects to what Trump is doing. If he's out there fighting evil or whatever, why isn't he "locking them up"? Why didn't he track down all those involved in either assassination attempt? How about all the election cheaters, and the people running the COVID scam, and... ?
The first thing you'll notice is that these issues are rarely mentioned, although they're very real. Well, he must be "in on it", right? But for all the Trump bashing, why not bash him as a feckless traitor with these fairly straightforward ones?
Trump is playing a very, very subtle game. The NPCs listen to authority, yes? To really get anything fixed permanently--and to avoid a civil war--he has got to get the NPCs to recognize him as an authority and start listening to him and not Them.
Well, authorities cannot say anything very far outside the Overton Window. Trump can only push against it very gently, trying to slide it a little further without "breaking the spell" so to speak.
The first of these, in my book, has been Tulsi's announcement regarding treason by a former President and many high officials. That has never happened before. They hang people for that kind of stuff, don't they? Again, it took six months to get here when he could have done it Day One, but he's got to go slow even if he's criticized by people who do not understand what is happening and why.
So now the Establishment is in crisis how to respond. If they try to calmly talk Their way out of it, they may lose on the facts. If They start screaming about how this is the beginning of "The Purge", They may lose NPCs regarding them as authorities. I think They'll stay calm then throw a "Hail Satan" when it looks like they're losing.
Trump followed this plan the whole 2024 campaign. I've not yet been able to tell if it's instinct, advice and direction from others, or that he consciously figured out the same things that I just told about human consciousness.
We live in very interesting times.
Haha, yes, this thread is starting to get out of hand a bit.
It's a very interesting thought about this backwards reasoning. Instead of honest evaluation and reaching honest conclusion, normie mind starts with the assumption "I'm a good person" and then goes through simple programmed motions "obey authority, listen to the experts" in order to justify it.
Other interesting thing to observe and which I've had first hand experience with is that some normies seem to trade obedience with morality. I won't go into details, but one of the most ardent covid cult follower I happen to have acquaintance with is also quite immoral in their personal life. So, it seems that at least some normies feel to have already justified by their obedience to authority and no longer feel the obligation for moral actions in their personal life.
I'm afraid I don't quite share your optimism regarding Trump though... Not to bash him or anything, but it seems he's also just a part of the establishment. Sure, decorations might change, their tactics also might change, they might even have some in-fighting going on, but I think he's one of them. Possibly always have been. There is no hope in political solution. Especially not in a person of a single man. That's all kabuki theater and psyops within psyops within psyops peppered with constant distractions in order to get public eye off the stuff that really matters.
There is a logic in what you're saying. I'm just not as optimistic as you, I guess... Also, Q is one of the most finely executed psyops in human history. I, for one, would definitely not seek truth in that direction.
Spot on. The world is interpreted through a worldview and not as is. There is no true neutral position from which one can evaluate information. All facts are theory-ladden.
Normies have zero knowledge about REAL philosophy like metaphysics and epistemology.
Pareto principle - 20% truly believe, the rest just follow because they're sheeple.
Awakening isn't about knowing a bunch of stuff and stacking folders, it's about facing the truth. In the end it's a moral choice and standing for what's true and right. Normies are that way because of their underlying worldview which prevents them from interpreting information correctly. No amount of facts and evidence will correct that (unless they're open to change and are willing to de-program themselves).
Yep, seems like it. It is similar to what I meant in OP. Real believers are in minority. The rest of them have chosen to not know. Due of underlying worldview, education, upbringing, social pressure or some other reason...
All people need some picture of reality in their head to live. Smart ones carefully draw this picture by themselves, adjusting it to be consistent and logical as they acquire new knowledge about world, others just blindly copy what MSM paint them.
Also add a factor of Mark Twain shitty theater performance phenomena. Once normie bought some shit from MSM and placed it in mind, he will never acknowlege he was fooled, even if he fully understand that. Just like someone who bought EV car will never acknowledge he was fooled and paid big money for the shitty and problematic car.
Yep, seems like it, but do those who blindly copy actually believe in it? Or it's more like cold calculation? Something like: if I follow the mainstream my life will be easier and more comfy so I'll follow it no matter what.
Haha, didn't know it's called like that. I think most of the shitty overpriced and unnecessary stuff thrives on this phenomena. Throw in some influencers to advertise your stuff and hamsters will never admit they just spent tons of money on useless stuff they don't actually need.
I think it's both. "I'll just believe in what was told by MSM to make my life easier".
It's from famous Twain The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, chapter 23
This kind of behaviour is surprisingly widespread phenomenon.
Yeah, but that wouldn't be a real belief. You can't simply tell yourself to believe in something. You either believe or you don't. It is not entirely voluntary process. If you simply tell yourself to believe in something, that's just make believe.
That's a nice one! I haven't read Huckleberry Finn. Didn't know about this.
Belief is real. They truly and sincerely believe in what was said, Sinceree and honestly. That's the deal - the main problem with TPTB is that they demand sincere believe in their narratives, That is why they hate anyone who don't believe, even if they picture believe demanded. If things was as what you said, then TPTB had no any chance to rule for so long. False believe means actual opposition. And people with false believe will use any opportunity to resist. That's how USSR ended. The problem was in false belief in all that communism narratives everybody demonstrated in public, but nobody really believe that narrative.
The horror and disgust of the Western society is that everybody is truly believe in capitalism and all that shit about democracy and freedom regardless of political color. Just different meanings attached, but nobbody question system as whole. That's the problem and curse, That's why Western system can't be changed for so long time and sink to the bottom day by day.
You really should. Mark Twain was in soviet school schedule, including Tom Sawyer and Huckeburry Finn. It was a bit in communism hoax failure. It could be a bit in capitalism hoax failure too.
Yes, and that's kind of an issue. Soviets were not that good at lies and deception. People went along with it, but only publicly. In private few of them did. Current regime is different in that regard. Most normies will defend it even in private.
I do actually have Huckleburry Finn and Tom Saywer books on the shelves. Just checked. It's a Soviet edition from 1970. Imagine that! I guess I'll check it out some of these days. In fact, I do not recall reading anything by Twain. Might as well pick up Sawyer or Finn.
Most people are dumb cattle and creatures of comfort. The modern human is domesticated.
NPCs. Yeah, seems like. But the question is: are they really fooled or they simply do not care?
Afraid
Nietzsche made that point. Normies fit the definition of his Last man.
That's why they're working hard on dividing everyone as much as possible. Ideally they would like a population that does not have any direct communication between people at all. A society where only communication occurs exclusively through the system, to the system, or mediated by the system. Sadly, to a large degree, they have already succeeded...
I agree with you on digital censorship, but I do have some doubts whether this is a correct way to go about this. Suppose some lawyer really does achieve some tangible result. Ok, that would be good... for a while... but the system as a whole still remains under their control and besides direct censorshipo they have many, many other ways to control the narrative. General task for them currently is to get everyone on their smartphones and dependent on the system as much as possible. When most of the people will no longer be able to exist without digital communication on a physical level, well, that's when they'll make their final move. I might be mistaken, but as of now it seems that any purely digital solution is a lost case from the get go.
They’re not intelligent enough to make a conscious decision. They literally don’t question the providence of external stimuli. They simply respond to it exactly as it is presented to them.
If they were actively supporting the narrative, it wouldn’t be so incompetently implemented and would manage greater control over the world than it has.
I don't see it as active support, more like how Russians acted under Communism. They know everything is wrong but, since they're to scared to do anything, they pay the most basic lip service possible to keep eyes off of themselves.
I might go so far to suggest that their incompetence is how they resist, consciously or not.
I've thought about this example as well. On the other hand, back then there was this thing called kitchen talk. In public people really did pay minimally required lip service. In private, though, it was kind of a badge of honor to expose your actual views in one way or another. In public was one thing, but in the kitchen, eye to an eye, well, that was a whole another thing.
It's not quite so in this case. Most of the normies will defend mainstream lies in public as well as in private.
You hit the nail on the head. the NWO liberal-democratic regime is more advanced than the soviet regime was in terms of mind controlling and conditioning the population. They've made considerable progress just like they did in other fields of technology like biotech, surveillance and data collection.
I think one of the main differences is that back then it was mostly external thing while now it is external as well as internal. It's inside the heads just as much as outside of them. Also, current regime is better at keeping good public image. Soviets were not that great at such levels of deception and lies as we see today. Yep, it seems they've made considerable progress indeed.
Cause they know their phones are listening
That too is a factor, but probably not a major one. At least not yet. No one will know if some normie, say, criticizes vaccines in private conversation. We are not quite there yet... but we might be at some point in the future.
Solzhenitsyn wrote about this psychological phenomenon a lot.
Hmm, I'm not sure this is a question of intelligence... To see through (most of) the lies you don't really need a lot of intelligence... It's more like willingness to step off the beaten path. Readiness to not do as others do. Something along those lines...
Covid really was one of the most transparent scams ever perpetuated, you could see things not being quite right with a naked eye, without any deep research required whatsoever... and yet, most of the population went along with it...
Exactly, the plandemic served as proof it's not an intellectual matter. We saw a bell curve distribution with the majority of the dumbest and the smartest people not buying into the bs and that was on a global scale, so not a cultural thing either.
My analysis:
Normies like the system because it feels safe to them and it has been good to them (as far as they know). They are like sheep who trust their shepherd to lead and protect them (hence sheeple).
People at the low end of the social ladder (who tend to have lower IQ) have seen the bad side of the system and are instinctively skeptical and wary of it (akin to a dog, wary of his master's disposition and intentions).
High IQ people, who are capable of handling complex and highly abstract ideas and exhibit great pattern recognition and rigorous systematical thinking, have done research and came to the conclusion that the system is not to be trusted. They can back up their claims with argumentation.
Yeah, I remember that bell curve. It was an interesting phenomena to observe. Additionally we can analyze this from perspective of relationship to the system and income levels as well:
Mainstream normies can be seen as most dependent on the system. They have quite a lot to loose. They have mortgages and other loans. Their jobs are dependent on their social standing which in turn is dependent on their ability to keep consumption level on par with their peers.
Those at the lower end, as you mentioned, have much less to feel grateful for, so they are already kind of opposed to the system by default. Also, they have less to loose than mainstream normies and they are not so dependent on their social standing either.
Higher ups, however, are less dependent on the system because of their wealth and/or intelligence. They might have a lot to loose, but their gain or loss ir more due to other factors, not their relationship to the system. In short they are more free to choose what to think, what opinions to have as well as their lifestyle and location.
Although we both kind of conflate intelligence with wealth, which is probably not entirely correct... There are lots and lots of dumb rich people as well as intelligent but not that well off ones.
Yes, great points. Conflating intelligence with wealth is a generalization indeed but it's statistically significant and that's why I joined them in my analysis.
Your economic take is more straightforward but still there are caveats like wealthy people who are public figures who are also dependent on the system (entertainment, media, sports, politics, etc). Or wealthy intelligent people in STEM who are also dependent and have to tow the line. Your third category applies to the 1% businessmen and moguls or the independent academic researchers only. The system strives for totalitarian control and fights people who are not dependent on it on any level (except the technocrats at the top who control it but they are less than 0.01%).
Well, that's why most of the stars and media people fell in line quite nicely and told us to stay home, wear a mask and take a jab. Only those who could afford it or simply didn't give a fuck went against the system. That goes for doctors as well. Most of the big name doctors who exposed the scam were already retired or soon to be retired.
Not only those. Moderately well off are less dependent on the system as well. There's a big difference between having a property and some savings which would allow to live without a job for a while (or to relocate somewhere else, as an option) and living paycheck to paycheck while being constantly hooked on mortgage and various other loans.
Yep, that's for sure. I was referring to the level we have as of right now. In the future they indeed plan to completely eliminate middle class and create only two classes: ultra rich technocratic elite at the very top and everyone else - unwashed masses completely dependent on the system at the bottom.
Yes; I don’t mean in the “quantifiable scale” sense. I mean in the “Are you even sapient?” sense. We define sapience as “human-level intelligence, the ability to reason, the ability to question the world around them, and the ability to defy instinctual responses to external stimuli.” but one of the most painful things about waking up to reality is coming to the understanding that the vast majority of human beings aren’t actually sapient. They don’t embody the individual or social characteristics about which books are written, songs are sung, or new continents are discovered.
They’re empty husks.
Ah, I see. Good post. It is hard to imagine it's really possible to reduce everything to simple biochemical process, but who knows... at least partially it really is possible. I think emotions have already been simplified for large part of population. They are still there, but more bland, shallower than they used to be. Simpler, less complex.
I think the real question here is this: How large part of the normies (goyim) really are not sapient and how large part of them kind of are, but have chosen to participate in the circus willingly? They can't all be biochemical automatons, can they?
80%. It shows up literally everywhere throughout society, both in purposely constructed endeavors (corporations, for example) and in naturally grown, subconscious constructs (languages, for example).
Now that varies.
I think the NPC meme is a psy op to indoctrinate people into believing other people are not fully human. It's dehumanization.
We're all made in the image of God, have free will, have knowledge of good and evil written on our hearts along with an immortal soul and will be judged accordingly.
Actual moves and cannot be held onto...to believe implies holding onto fictional, while ignoring actual.
Nothing cannot be sensed...suggested nihil-ism (nihilo; nothing) tempts ones senses to deny everything perceivable.
a) Few suggest norms aka "standard, patterns, or models" to tempt many to restrict "free" will of choice by consenting to norms.
b) Norm; from Greek gnōmōn - "carpenter's square"... https://www.etymonline.com/word/norm
Freemasonry utilizes suggested norms as square and resulting circular logic as compass to manipulate the free will of choice among others.
Reality doesn't generate consensus...it separates choice from one another. Others suggest fiction to tempt ones choice to give consent, which permits few to amass many into consensus aka hivemind.
To know implies each ones perception within all perceivable...true vs lie reasoning implies ones consent to a suggestion, while ignoring perceivable.
Nature doesn't generate truth or lies...only change.
a) Form (life) within flow (inception towards death) needs to resist the wanted temptation to follow along...others influence by information to tempt following.
b) Nature doesn't narrate...it moves sound, which internally separates instruments from one another. Narration implies the articulation of natural sound.
Being within nature implies as one (partial) within oneness (whole)...others suggest collectivization, which when consented to, establishes a minority vs majority conflict of reason.
"I'm just following orders" ~anyone consenting to the suggestion of another. Admission vs denial reasoning represents the artificial distraction thereof.
As for loud...nature implies the sound of silence; beings articulating words to one another implies noise. If one resists the noise, then one can sense the silence. That's the tranquillity; serenity; equanimity etc. only oneself can find.
Nature acts, which allows being to re-act aka respond to being enacted upon.
Few suggest actors under directors within movies to distract many from action directing (inception towards death) reaction (life) through motion.
One cannot act...only react, hence being given a choice how to react.
Discernment implies light thought; ignorance implies dark thought. Perceivable inspiration moving through ones perception allows self discernment, while choosing to hold onto suggested information tempts ignorance.
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