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Michalusmichalus 10 points ago +10 / -0

The green industry hasn't been about the environment for a very long time,

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TardedButNotDeparted 7 points ago +7 / -0

The people in power don't want to admit that consumerism and "green" are not complementary ideas. "Green" in the context of creating more products does nothing to reduce waste.

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WeedleTLiar 4 points ago +4 / -0

Imagine a country that exports petrolium, ships it across the Pacific to be processed into disposable consumer goods, which get shipped back to the original country and consoomed, then are shipped back across the Pacific for disposal, at which point they're thrown in the ocean.

Obviously, the best thing to do to deal with pointless waste in this, purely hypothetical, country is to tax the sale of farm trucks...

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TardedButNotDeparted 2 points ago +2 / -0

You've outlined an area of energetic waste that, once ESG taxes and credits come into play, it will finally be cheaper to run factories and produce in the US again.

In the next decade, the world's reliance on China and Asia for production will continue to decrease.

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Michalusmichalus 3 points ago +3 / -0

I quit zetowaste because it's all slight of hand, and smoke and mirrors.

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justicein2020 6 points ago +6 / -0

You don't actually solve problems when those problems keep you employed in a really easy nothing job.

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FuckReddit4545 5 points ago +5 / -0

This is why nuclear is always off the table. Can't have real solutions, just need the peons to accept green new deals and other power grabs.

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MidnightToker 9 points ago +12 / -3

I work on cars. Teslas are the biggest pieces of shit I've ever seen recently. Horrible quality issues. Thin paint, thin sheet metal, misaligned panels, constant computer glitching, corrosion issues, and a horrible parts supply network. If your $100k iPad goes in the shop don't expect to have it back for a month or more. If you want an electric car, Hyundai makes a damn good one at half the price.

VW has a solution that makes the most sense. Solar bio fuels.

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/05/20210504-bluegasoline.html

Regardless, cars are demonized because they're easy targets. Destruction of ecology, suburban sprawl, plastic waste, monocropped agriculture and meat, etc. have a much larger impact on the environment as a whole than bubba's V8 truck ever did.

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onetimeuser 6 points ago +6 / -0

i've been telling people if they wanna go for a battery EV, and they want a Tesla, they should wait around 5 more years at least.

they've been buying Teslas this last year - this year anyway

their reasoning is, and i quote "it's supposed to be better than old cars"

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BidenLikesMiners 3 points ago +3 / -0

teslas are better for people with lots of money to burn. they dont make the financial sense for anyone without a spare 30k lying around.

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onetimeuser 1 point ago +1 / -0

you'll be happy to know in australia the people i've been talking about would've had to pay upwards of $90k

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aaarg 4 points ago +4 / -0

Liberals love Tesla.

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

and they also love tranny cocks. a match made in shitlib heaven

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TardedButNotDeparted 3 points ago +3 / -0

There's a YouTuber "Rich Rebuilds" that talks about the issues with Tesla. He's pushing for the "right to repair". It's gotten better, in recent years Tesla has opened access to documentation, and you can order replacement parts now (although there is a wait, especially got worse during pandemic years).

Fixing the Tesla is still hard though, because there's few places that fix electric cars. But this niche will eventually get filled, like Rich Rebuild's "Electric Garage", he has 3 locations now to service Teslas and electric cars.

I disagree with your assessment that Tesla's are a big piece of shit. They're some of the best vehicles ever made, in terms of cabin and drive quality, longevity, and safety. They had issues initially with production, but Elon personally spent 3 years living in a factory to get them fixed. Today the build quality is much better, in terms of panel spacing and electrical issues.

I get it, you're paying $45k and there can be issues at delivery. We're talking about a new car company with less than 10 years of experience in mass-production. It's to be expected, but it will get better. If you're bothered by these issues, it's best you wait another 5 years. Realistically, electric cars are still not affordable for most people, and the electric infrastructure is still early too.

But that doesn't mean they're not doing great things, and I feel you're being disingenuous to not give them credit.

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WeedleTLiar 3 points ago +3 / -0

I looked into electric cars back at school and it always amazes me that they aren't more repairable, considering how simple they are compared to gas cars.

No timing chain, no gaskets, few fluid systems, basically one big moving part plus accessories and a little computer.

Shoot, I should be able to change the motor out in a couple hours with some friends and furniture straps.

Seems unnecessarily complicated...

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +2 / -1

Definitely possible. On "Rich Rebuilds" channel they've put electric motors into mini-cooper and other vehicles.

The issue is that current mechanics aren't trained to work with complex electrical systems, and the shops don't have the tools for the jobs.

So mechanics and garages need to be retooled.

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

trained to work with complex electrical systems

I thought theyre super simple and reliable?

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ugh, what? Why would a car filled with sensors and AI be simple?

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BidenLikesMiners 0 points ago +1 / -1

Tesla's 're some of the best vehicles ever made

yeah your name is pretty accurate. tl;dr'd

theyre really safe when you get in an accident and the handle sticks in the door. u have like 500 iq bub

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WeedleTLiar 3 points ago +3 / -0

If someone even pretends to care about the environment, they should be focused on the oceans, full stop.

Nothing affects global climate, food supply, weather patterns, or ecology more than the oceans, which we are currently dregding for the last few fish and filling with plastic waste.

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repeatoffender 2 points ago +5 / -3

I’ve had a Tesla for six years. There were definitely quality problems, but they fixed them ALL. This is now the most reliable, lowest maintenance car I’ve ever owned. 80k miles and rolling.

Oh yea, and Tesla can recycle 97% of the material in the battery pack.

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BidenLikesMiners 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tesla can recycle 97% of the material

the cyber truck is coming next year

self driving is ready for end users to have on roads

teslas produce no emissions

these are 4 shades of the same lie

tesla shills tell these to themselves to feel good about spending 60k on a shitty luxury car

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WeedleTLiar 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is more important than quality issues; the fact that they're gettibg fixed. People forget that these are largely still quasi-prototypes that are being fine tuned by a young company.

And yes, obviously you would recycle the batteries, the same way you do with every other battery. Throwing a battery in the dump is like pouring gasoline into a storm drain; if you do that, you're the asshole, not tesla.

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +1 / -0

Depleted Tesla batteries sell for $5000, I believe is the number I've heard. The minerals are very valuable and are used to create new lithium batteries.

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ImBillCurtis 3 points ago +4 / -1

Retards love the idea of driving an RC car that the government can turn off Willy nilly.

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BidenLikesMiners 3 points ago +3 / -0

peopo love MUH 800 TORQ. OMG I CAN BEAT A FERRARI ON A RACE TRACK!!! OMGGGGGGGGGGG coomerface

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Merkava_4 6 points ago +6 / -0

I like the idea of alcohol based fuels. No petroleum involved at all. While still using an internal combustion engine.

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Junionthepipeline 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lotta petroleum to make that fuel

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cyberrigger 1 point ago +1 / -0

Diesel is the fuel to beat.

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Merkava_4 2 points ago +3 / -1

I can't tell you how much I hate diesel. I work outside in a parking lot most of the day. Diesel exhaust from contractor trucks are my nemesis. Cigarette smoke is my other nemesis.

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konoplya 3 points ago +4 / -1

are truck stop hookers your nemesis as well?

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wtfppl 1 point ago +1 / -0

I got a $20!

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xolotltlaloc 5 points ago +9 / -4

Teslas are the safest cars on the road - by nearly every measure -- and go 0 - 60 in less than 2 seconds.

Who cares if they are green or not?

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BidenLikesMiners 0 points ago +1 / -1

Teslas are the safest cars on the road

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43604440}

Ok, elon 👌

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TardedButNotDeparted 2 points ago +2 / -0

Statistically speaking, Teslas vs. Fords, which have a higher passenger injury and fatality rate?

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AI_ML_Expert 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is a shill post. You won't get an answer

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TardedButNotDeparted 3 points ago +5 / -2

The chemicals in lithium-ion batteries are 85% reusable so far, with current recycling methods (lithium is lost, but are surface pond mined... hard metals are 100% reusable over and over again).

The 500t claim doesn't acknowledge that other non-battery minerals are also extracted during the process as well, also refined and sold, like copper, iron, nickle, carbon, zinc, aluminum, magnesium, lead, etc. Minerals don't exist individually, they exist together in ore streams.

Once the battery is created, you can charge it for 10-15 years using solar panels, no longer excerting energy to generate driveable distance.

Oil rigs and oil refining is also an energy intensive and dirty process. To build and deliver an oil rig on location, drill hundreds of feet into the ocean, transport workers and oil back and forth, etc for 10-15 comparable years of gas needed to fuel your gasoline vehicle to a comparable mileage.

Once extracted, oil must be refined (energy intensive and dirty), and energy is spent on ships and trucks to deliver that gasoline to your nearest gas station every single week for the next 10-15 years, so that you have access to gasoline always available.

Once the battery is recycled and put into a new vehicle, you don't need to move another 500 tons of earth, while a gas vehicle requires another 10-15 years of oil mining and delivery.

500t is not a lot of dirt. Mining haul trucks can carry 350t to 400t. So you're talking about 1.5 loads per battery pack, and those loads include non-battery pack minerals.

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +1 / -0

Solar is indeed capable of charging a vehicle. 10 kwh of solar, that you can mount on your home's roof, can produce 40-60 kwh a day, dependent on location. Works in the winter too, only very overcast/snow days interrupt production.

A 60 kwh battery is 200+ miles of distance.

Not even mentioning upcoming lightweight vehicles like Aptera that get 700-1000 miles on 50 kwh.

Support that with nuclear.

Even using natural gas to generate electricity will produce less emissions than gasoline vehicles.

Even having a coal/oil plant generate electricity to charge vehicles, will reduce emissions, because people can fill-up at home, which eliminate an entire distribution network of last-mile transport trucks and gas stations.

As electric car usage increases, gas stations will be fueled less often (ie. instead of daily, only refueled every 3rd day). Which means less trucks burning emissions to deliver gasoline.

More efficient to use trains to deliver coal to power plants in large loads, rather than thousands of trucks delivering gasoline nationwide every day.

It will be a slow process to replace existing usage and infrastructure, but eventually most vehicles will be electric.

Cargo ships and large machinery will likely continue to run on gas and diesel, but ie. 85-90% of consumer travel will be electric.

And other solutions will play a role too. ie. Germany is already building electric lanes on highways so delivery trucks can run on grid power. Like trolley buses, these trucks have arms that extend to connect to overhead wires. So large batteries are not always necessary.

There are also tens of millions of small engines like scooters, motorcycles, lawnmowers, generators that burn fuel, which in most cases, can be replaced with electric alternatives.

I watch a YouTuber who creates motorcycles that hit 100 mph and over 80 miles of range.

The biggest issue right now is pricing and supply of batteries. But as the next 10 years progress, the increased supply of lithium batteries will transform the consumer ecosystem of these goods, and ease of access to lithium powered devices.

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altvegcountry 2 points ago +2 / -0

the problem in America is i don't think for one second TPTB are doing what they're doing to make a vision like this to succeed. instead, they're almost setting things up to fail miserably and tragically. the work to build an underlying power grid infrastructure that could accomplish something like this vision isn't happening from what i can see. instead nuclear is a permanent non-starter for them. and they're sabotaging coal in the short and long term. the oil and natural gas angles are pricing out to be made economically not viable. if they were doing this to actually work, they'd be focusing like crazy on the infrastructure. i'm not shocked that the Germans are doing what they're doing because they are great engineers and have a workable society still at least on some fronts like these. i would love to see this stuff happening here but it won't and its obvious given the antagonism they're creating with their us vs them model which primarily demonizes rural, working class and small/medium businesses which will be most devastated by such a horrific transition. the corporatocracy has enough fake valuations to hold steady through it all while everyone else outside the metros is devastated. for the record, i don't buy into the entire CO2 demonization climate change scam for one second as that's about the massive gains the oligarchy will have in the carbon trading markets which imo is the big play. but, i'm an environmentalist who wants to see what you envision because it's great on so many fronts for the earth, public heath and an actual workable future.

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there, but basically intention and trust.

"Climate Change" narrative is alarmist, which means it has alterior intentions (to accumulate political power).

And the idea that we need to trust government and business, the largest proponents of consumerism and pollution, to deliver global sustainability of our waters and air. Doubt at their ability to execute, and fear they'll just take the tax money and won't deliver anything.

We live in a time of corruption and division, so it's difficult to have faith in a future that relies on trust and cooperation.

But human potential is far greater than what we have allowed so far as a collective. And an increasing collective awareness, which has been revealing darkness under the light of truth, has been paving a way for a new and better future.

The collective desire is there, and those who don't allow it, or try to block it, will face a great resistance.

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Dualkalibur 3 points ago +3 / -0

Most oil rigs are on land units, not off shore. I worked on many for 14 years. One of the things people don’t know is an oil company has 90 days after the well goes live that they pay no royalty to the mineral right owner, be it the land owner or the country itself, to recoup the cost of the well. One well the consultant I was talking to had done, was a double leg well and cost 1.7 million from start to finish. They had it paid for in 75 of those 90 days, where afterwards they dialed down the amount coming from the well to pay the land owner less and keep it flowing for longer. The last few years I was chasing the dragon we were doing a 2200-2400M well in 3.6 days. Day 4 we were moving onto a new location to start drilling a new one. Oil well drilling is not as expensive, dirty and cumbersome as you think.

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +1 / -0

What do you mean, throwing out AA batteries?

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cyberrigger 3 points ago +3 / -0

IMO battery powered cars are not the final solution.

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TardedButNotDeparted 0 points ago +1 / -1

The final solution is working from home and not needing to commute.

You may be right, but I also think we just need to reduce emissions, not cut them out completely. So using electricity whenever possible, and diesel when it's not.

The price of solar panels has fallen drastically, and I think mass adoption of solar is a part of it.

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superspathi 2 points ago +2 / -0

If only Marvin Heemeyer had owned one of these.

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AboriginalIvory 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just google recycling lithium.. Lithium is not cheap to recycle and is very expensive on top of that its a heavy metal that no biological based forms can break it down. Oh and contamination from lithium will put holes in your brain.

Give it 10-20 years of this ev will solve everything, to holy shit we got a batterypocalypse.

At least c02 is recyclable by living organisms.

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TardedButNotDeparted 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lithium is a small part of the EV battery, and by the point of battery depletion, has fused with the iron/nickle. The iron and nickle are the largest portion in the battery, and they are fully reusable.

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alltheleavesarebrown 2 points ago +2 / -0

Real nikolai tesla motors.

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TrumpIsMyPersonality -6 points ago +2 / -8

Suppressed until long after we're dead.

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brsafb 5 points ago +5 / -0

Tesla motors are no usable in most applications. They spin to fast deforming the disk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AfCyzIbpLN4

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FuckReddit4545 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cool vid, that was interesting.

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alltheleavesarebrown 0 points ago +2 / -2

You and your fag shitfucking partners.

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TrumpIsMyPersonality -6 points ago +1 / -7

Haaay

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AmericaFirstMAGA88 2 points ago +2 / -0

And what happens when it mines too deep and hit the bottom lava layer and falls in without a bucket of water on hand to create obsidian? Yeah that's what they really gotta look out for.

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Geek-the-Mage 2 points ago +2 / -0

The math problem left out an important piece of information...how long does it take to move the 2500 tons of earth? Then we can determine how many gallons of diesel fuel it takes to mine the ore to make a Tesla battery.

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myfriendsballs -1 points ago +2 / -3

Elon Musk = GRIFTER.

Stop sucking his dick, ok?