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They had to make some excuse to make the allies look good. No one wants to hear that the Allies cut off the food supply for months killing millions.
To me, it's not that there weren't a bunch killed in the camps (the pictures don't lie), it's always come down to the numbers of HOW MANY were killed.
And frankly, lots of others besides Jews were killed, and I'm sick of the Jews making it out like it was only them.
It was quite obviously supply lines being cut and the camp internees being the last on the list to get any food & medicine. The fantasy that the nazi's just wanted to kill a bunch of people for no real reason is propaganda. Hitler wanted to send the jews to israel and that's what he was doing until the allies stopped him.
To you first sentence, totally agree. To your second, agree, they had reasons, reasons not everyone agrees with today, or even then, for that matter. To your third? Meh, Hitler wanted the kill the Jews or expel them. He did both. It's just hard to fight a two front war and kill so many people and dispose of them.
If Hitler wanted to kill the jews they would have done a much better job of it than they did. There wouldn't be all the survivors that you hear about.
I'd need to see some evidence that Hitler actually wanted to kill the jews. He wanted them gone, no doubt. And maybe he didn't really care much how they were treated in the camps, but mass extermination I'm not seeing much if any proof of. It's much easier to believe that they just ran out of supplies and got sick and died. And I also wouldn't believe what the russians had to say at the time either.
If Hitler wanted to take over Russia, he should have done a much better job of it and learned from Napoleon. That Hitler wanted, or tried, to do X and X didn't happen as intended is not evidence that Hitler didn't want to do X.
That said, I was a bit surprised to learn a few years ago that there is some disagreement on this, i.e., that Hitler wanted the Jews expelled not dead, but the Mohammedians didn't want them either, so the fall back plan was killing them.
See this article: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt-1.5411578
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hitler actually went against the advice of , krups, rohmmel, himmler AND goehring. they all said "do not attack russia NOW. wait until we win the western front. build up the empire more, use your pact with stalin as a firewall, so we dont get engaged in two fronts!"
hitler went AGAINST that -_-
I remember reading a while ago that Russia was preparing for an invasion of Western Europe that Germanys strike caught them offguard messed them up big time. Hitler supposedly captured intel on the future movement in and decided to move first.
Soviet always wanted a west coast in defense towards the US, and if it wasn't for the nazis rebuilding Germany and preparing it for war they might have actually succeeded. A weak Europe with minimal help from the US might not have been able to resist a Soviet invasion.
And if that would have happen, who knows, maybe they could have won the cold war as well. The German scientists did a lot for the US space program and the development of the nuclear bomb, if they worked for Soviet instead then perhaps Soviet could have conquered the world in just a few decades.
I think this is why the globalists really hates the Nazis, and always tries to associate patriots and nationalists with the nazis. They wanted Soviet to conquer the world. But the nazis fucked up their plans so they had to delay everything, rethink, do decades of preparation then release the plandemic in 2020 in a new attempt to conquer the world with global communism.
I have read, that if Germany had concentrated on England, they would have reached a peace deal with them through attrition, as Germany couldn't invade and frankly, didn't want to.
You need to read a but more about what happened with Napoleon in Russia.
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ie. He couldn't get them out anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
ah, that makes sense
If he wanted to kill them then why did they keep them in camps and give them medicine and there are so many survivors?
Seems like a waste of resources during a war.
I'd never question the 6 million, it just makes me wonder.
Because Europeans don't gun down people in the street and bayonet babies, like the Chinese and Japs and Mohammedians do, when they are on about a mass killing.
So many survivors? Well, because the churn at the camps. Survival was less than a year or so, but hey, if fresh prisoners are always coming in and the camps held a lot of people, there will be survivors and lots of them.
As for giving them medicine, I am admittedly ignorant about that, other than wouldn't that be better saved for troops?
I doubt Hitler wanted to send jews to Israel, as there was no israel back then, it was created after ww2, like 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
Palestine existed unofficially, it's wasn't an "ethically clean" Jewish country/area but a lot of Jews did live there at the time so it makes sense to deport them to there.
Of course there's a globalist narrative that don't want you to know that, same narrative doesn't want you to know that Judea declared war on Germany long before WW2, the Jews in Germany where essentially enemies of the state, and prisoners of war.
Reminder that the imprisonment of people based on their heritage is still inexcusable, especially if negligent incarceration resulted in mass death.
Jews declared war on Germany, not the other way around. Don't be a cuck.
That's a new one. Glow Harder
New to you, not like you'd know anything about it. Keep believing lies.
They were unhappy that he was democratically elected and threatened to boycott germany. (Remember these are the international banks)
They were specifically unhappy because some of his policies were directed towards limiting the power they had and the influence over the degeneration of Weimar post-ww1.
Then after Hitler peacefully and bloodlessly took back historical german land, they called that a provocation and used it as an excuse for a war.
It's a known fact, you can do your own research in the archives of NY times and WSJ, assuming of course that MSM wasn't as fake back then as they are today, but it's the primary source of information that existed back then.
"Judea declares war on Germany" literal title for news articles back in 1933. The Jewish population in Europe started to boycott German products and did everything they could to hurt the German economy. Of course the people where probably more of useful idiots while the globalist banking cartel did most of the real damage.
I don’t know about you, but i’d rather be gassed than starved/worked to death.
Except they weren't starved / worked to death.
At best, you could argue starvation, but that was a result of the allies cutting off food supplies, and it wasn't the Nazi's intention to starve them.
As far as worked to death, this is just wrong. They had plenty of amenities in the camps and they even got paid for their work.
What? Paid? Show me the shekels! There would be paychecks and receipts and records... Not saying they don’t exist just never heard that they were paid before. I thought most of their labor was making bullets and munitions for the German army, which never ran out of a huge need for those items until 1945.
Yup, they were paid, and that's not really disputed by either side.
Ok dude, this is like miners being paid in “scrip” only to be redeemed at the mining companies’ stores. It’s just “good boy coupons” and yes, it is a currency, but you had to spend it where you were. It’s not like a central bank or national currency which you could sell at the airport or a kiosk at the mall for a real exchange rate...it wasn’t Deutschmarks.
“The first known use of Holocaust money was in the Lodz ghetto in Poland in 1940. Over the next five years, the Nazis introduced currencies in concentration camps and other ghettos in Germany and occupied Poland, Czechoslovakia and the Netherlands. Each camp or ghetto had its own currency — with unique denominations and designs — to be used only within its gates.”
They were prisoners, what good would that money do for them in the first place?
Like I said, they got paid and they got amenities. They also had recreational activities (sports, a swimming pool), orchestra, library, movie theater, etc.
To recap: you went from believing in gas chambers, to believing that they were starved / worked to death, to finding out they got paid for their work and were treated far better than any other POWs in the war.
And there's still so much you don't know.
But I'll end it here because I don't think you're interested in learning about what really happened. As your first comment showed (starved/worked to death), you want to be attached to the mainstream narrative.
FWIW, I'm not even saying the Nazis were good people; I'm just saying that there's a lot of lies about them and what really went on in WWII.
So, Russian rouble or Canadian dollar (or any other money that are not USD or EUR) is a concentration camp currency. OK, got it. Didn't think about that pieces of paper in that direction.
Fuck off, nazi. Don’t engage with me any more.
no evidence of chambers
Acting in the suggested theater of war or reacting as choice to balance...want or need...consenting to suggested choice or responsibility to having choice?
Can you talk like a normal fucking human being?
As form (life) within flow (inception towards death) flow defines the rules for the responding form within...have you ever noticed that nature does not use words to brand anything within itself?
Talking is not "normal"; it represents shaping sound (communicated to us through movement) into words that represent affixed meaning (true or false) which deceives us to ignore movement.
Nature does not offer words; others within nature suggest words in exchange for consent to ignore natures offering. This is called spell-craft.
Now; can I bark like a domesticated human in accordance to the ignorant wants of others? Sure, but do I need to? Fuck no.
What you guys seem to forget is the fact that there were work camps and death camps. And the overwhelming majority of death camps were to the east. The Ruskies barely investigated. They burned, razed and went on their merry way. I've read accounts from Wehrmacht and SS soldiers who were retreating from camps in the east as the Red Army was approaching and let me tell you - With the germans or the Reds, if you were in one of those camps you were forked eitherway.
"Gas poisoning" is merely a small category of (acute) side effects caused by a gas. But what if a gas breaks down the immune system, or causes Alzheimer's or autism? Will doing an autopsy for "gas poisoning" find that?
The holocaust is always so puzzling like this with the gap in information.
To put on the full-circle tin foil thinking cap here...
Perhaps it was the treatment (Zyklon B pesticide) causing the disease (typhus).
Recently it was shown that:
The pesticide Atrazine kills weeds and turns frogs gay (hermaphrodites their sex).
The pesticide Round Up kills weeds and can cause non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in humans.
The pesticide Zyklon B kills lice AND...?
Let me remind you that it was in the early 1900's when mankind started using chemicals and gases in warfare, that we literally stopped recording, sharing and teaching that brutal scar of our history.
Those same companies now produce chemicals for use on food. It's an odd conflict of interest.