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Holohoax (media.gab.com)
posted 4 years ago by user20461 4 years ago by user20461 +27 / -2
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– Mad_King_Kalak 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

To you first sentence, totally agree. To your second, agree, they had reasons, reasons not everyone agrees with today, or even then, for that matter. To your third? Meh, Hitler wanted the kill the Jews or expel them. He did both. It's just hard to fight a two front war and kill so many people and dispose of them.

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– BlokeyMcBlokeFace 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

If Hitler wanted to kill the jews they would have done a much better job of it than they did. There wouldn't be all the survivors that you hear about.

I'd need to see some evidence that Hitler actually wanted to kill the jews. He wanted them gone, no doubt. And maybe he didn't really care much how they were treated in the camps, but mass extermination I'm not seeing much if any proof of. It's much easier to believe that they just ran out of supplies and got sick and died. And I also wouldn't believe what the russians had to say at the time either.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

If Hitler wanted to take over Russia, he should have done a much better job of it and learned from Napoleon. That Hitler wanted, or tried, to do X and X didn't happen as intended is not evidence that Hitler didn't want to do X.

That said, I was a bit surprised to learn a few years ago that there is some disagreement on this, i.e., that Hitler wanted the Jews expelled not dead, but the Mohammedians didn't want them either, so the fall back plan was killing them.

See this article: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt-1.5411578

[edit for clarity]

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– Skyrison 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

hitler actually went against the advice of , krups, rohmmel, himmler AND goehring. they all said "do not attack russia NOW. wait until we win the western front. build up the empire more, use your pact with stalin as a firewall, so we dont get engaged in two fronts!"

hitler went AGAINST that -_-

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– Onedude123 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I remember reading a while ago that Russia was preparing for an invasion of Western Europe that Germanys strike caught them offguard messed them up big time. Hitler supposedly captured intel on the future movement in and decided to move first.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I have read, that if Germany had concentrated on England, they would have reached a peace deal with them through attrition, as Germany couldn't invade and frankly, didn't want to.

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– BlokeyMcBlokeFace 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

You need to read a but more about what happened with Napoleon in Russia.

The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הֶסְכֵּם הַעֲבָרָה‎ Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.[1]

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After the German invasion of Poland in September 1939 the program was ended.

ie. He couldn't get them out anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

ah, that makes sense

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– IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

If he wanted to kill them then why did they keep them in camps and give them medicine and there are so many survivors?

Seems like a waste of resources during a war.

I'd never question the 6 million, it just makes me wonder.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Because Europeans don't gun down people in the street and bayonet babies, like the Chinese and Japs and Mohammedians do, when they are on about a mass killing.

So many survivors? Well, because the churn at the camps. Survival was less than a year or so, but hey, if fresh prisoners are always coming in and the camps held a lot of people, there will be survivors and lots of them.

As for giving them medicine, I am admittedly ignorant about that, other than wouldn't that be better saved for troops?

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