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Calling someone a bot would be a rule 1 violation yeah
Holy shit, okay, this place is actually a corpse already. Thanks for the info.
What I didn't "succeed" at was understanding you.
Personal problem.
if you don't want me to understand you know well the power of not replying
Nah, because you keep libeling me irrespective of my engagement.
You’re now going to ban ANYONE who claims that a user might be a bot? Fucking do it, then. Watch this place collapse even more than it has. Are you fucking stalking me? There’s no goddamned way you just happened to be reading this conversation chain.
Fascinating how you choose to answer nothing and support nothing.
“I DON’T LIKE YOUR ANSWER THEREFORE THERE IS NO ANSWER.” Get fucked. Not playing your game. Your years of scripted bullshit is inhuman. You had your chance and blew it long ago.
From 3993 BC Creation to 1797 BC birth of Judah, there were no Jews.
lol “the synagogue of satan didn’t exist and the world was literally heaven for [insert year range here] because I say so” Try the fuck again.
Why did the problems not go away during those 2,196 years?
Because you’re lying.
It's the satanists.
It’s the jews, got it. Thanks for confirming.
Why did Jesus, Paul, and many others who didn't come from the Judea region call themselves Ioudaios?
Because he is not a jew who is one outwardly; he is a jew who is one inwardly.
Get fucked. We’re not doing this again. You didn’t succeed last time. You won’t ever succeed.
Don't a majority of self-identified Jews today describe themselves as secular, i.e. Talmud-agnostic?
“Oy vey we totally don’t support the thing we support in all of our actions that you discovered was evil! Trust us! We would never lie to you! We’re totally just agnostic oy veyyyyyyyyyyyy”
some of the folks here use words in fascinatingly novel ways
Your Scofield bullshit is the novelty. The previous 1900 years knew what words mean.
Why would you write a narrative as if you believe the universe is (now) 5,786 years old when you don't believe that?
A white person can figure this out without asking.
in your opinion
Truth isn’t a matter of opinion.
Can you point to some clear statement where you took a position on it without equivocation anywhere else?
Yep. I can.
Do you object to my very consistently saying the universe is (now) 6,018 years old
Yep.
but I recognize that many young-earth proponents use a larger number, up to the range of perhaps a million, and in any case they are united against a number in the billions
“Any number is fine as long as it’s not the number it actually is!” Yes, I already accurately characterized your position in an earlier reply.
What is your evidence that I'm doing anything here but volunteering my personal time for SwampRangers.com?
The website clearly costs something to host. There’s always a price.
Are you making guesses
Not really.
Are you merely judging that my position proves I must be inorganic?
I mean, you say things that only inorganics say.
Do you object to my characterizing our interactions briefly with evidence?
I object to the objectively false characterizations.
Why don't you get along with me when I follow Christ alone?
Because you don’t.
Where is your evidence of getting along with fellow believers, as I don't recall you ever speaking of attending church or being in communion with others?
Why would I be so stupid as to post my personal life on the Internet?
What have I said untruly?
There’s a character limit.
If you can tell yourself the Bible is lying to you about “there is only one way to heaven” and “no one was sinless except Christ,” you can tell yourself anything about anything.
It’s just not acceptable.
How much asbestos is in that tower.
You wrote a novel
Cry about it.
but the whole argument collapses the moment the actual words in the New Testament are read.
Thanks; I directly quoted the New Testament. You have nothing.
The word “Jew” was not invented a few centuries ago
It was, yeah.
The New Testament itself uses the Greek word Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios).
So… not jew. Judean. A different word. Got it.
refers to the Jewish people or Judeans.
No, these are separate people.
Your claim that believing in the Messiah erases Jewish identity is destroyed by the apostle Paul the himself.
Nope, Christ himself says otherwise.
has God rejected and disowned His people
Repeating the same line that was already disproven is not going to help you, dipshit.
Paul believed Yeshua is the Messiah
No, he didn’t. He knew Jesus Christ was the messiah.
By the first century… …the New Testament repeatedly refers to its inhabitants as Jews.
Nope.
The Greek New Testament records the name as Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) because the text was written in Greek.
Oh, neat, so you were wrong. Got it.
Using Yeshua is simply using the Hebrew name
The name in which the New Testament wasn’t written, you mean? You don’t change your name for different languages. That’s not how names work.
And where did Yeshua grow up?
I don’t care. But Jesus grew up in the Levant, which was owned by the Roman Empire at the time and had been previously Hellenized, so He spoke Greek, Latin, ancient Hebrew (which isn’t modern day Hebrew), Aramaic…
the very region you are trying to separate from Jews.
Try again, but this time don’t do exactly what I said you are doing.
No one denies that happened.
Strange that you’ve been.
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake
Oh, enemies of the gospel, huh? Interesting. We should definitely worship them and do whatever they say, then, right?
but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Just like everyone else. What’s your point.
It means not taken back.
If they want to accept Christ, He will accept them. But they don’t. They deny Him. Thus they’re damned. Get it through your jewish head.
Some branches were broken off because of unbelief.
The Pharisees, yeah.
The root is still Israel.
Who are not all of Israel.
God has not rejected His people.
Repeating things no one questioned is a sign of mental illness.
You told me to read the Bible.
You still haven’t, apparently.
That is exactly why your “Hebrews vs Jews” theory falls apart the moment the text is actually read.
Nah, the “theory” comes directly from the text and I directly quoted the parts of the Bible that uphold it.
Jews are not Judeans are not Christians. Your conflation is powerless.
’the disciples totally said it was okay to deny God!]
Okay, you’re done.
QUOTE
Just use the arrows.
You say a Jew who accepts the Messiah stops being a Jew and becomes something else. But the apostle Paul the Apostle literally identifies himself as both after believing in Yeshua. How do you square that?
By actually using the actual definition of the actual words, rather than your postmodernist bullshit.
The main problem stems from the fact that the word jew/judaism has multiple meanings, but most people don’t realize this. This confusion was brought about intentionally. The word ‘jew’ was invented only a few centuries ago in English translations of the Bible as a shortened form of the word ‘Judean.’ This refers to the province of Judea, which at the time of the New Testament was a multi-racial, multicultural area whose capital city was Jerusalem and which was controlled by the Pharisees. Jesus and most of His disciples did not come from Judea–they came from Galilee–and therefore were not jews by the Biblical definition. Judea was originally inhabited by the Israeli tribe of Judah, but by this point was quite mixed. Galilee was inhabited only by the Israeli tribe of Benjamin. The only ‘jewish’ disciple in the modern sense was Judas, who betrayed Jesus.
The Pharisees were the evil Talmudists whom Jesus opposed and who ultimately killed Jesus for daring to disagree with them. Later, Jerusalem was destroyed and some Pharisees survived to become rootless nomads. Along the way, they mixed with more people who converted to Talmudism. Then, after the invention of the English word ‘jew,’ Talmudists started calling themselves “jews” and renamed their religion “judaism.” They started claiming they’re all the people who lived in ancient Israel and therefore they’re the “chosen people” spoken of in the Bible.
In reality, their religion completely contradicts the Old Testament–even the Torah–and they know it. They brought about such a deliberate conflation and confusion of the word ‘jew’ that today people now use a definition expanded to include “everyone in ancient Israel” when that’s not at all what ‘jew’ meant originally. They also like to conflate Judaism with Hebrewism, but the religion of the Pharisees (Talmudism) only began after they returned from captivity in Babylon. The Old Testament religion of the Hebrew people before that was quite different. Today, only a tiny minority of people who call themselves “jews” don’t follow the Talmud.
Finally, there are ’jews’ in the Christian sense. That is to say, the original Christian sense of considering the followers of Christ the inheritors of the promise of Abraham, and therefore jews (in the context of the word used from the Middle Ages translations of the Bible. This is why you see verses equivalent to, “We’re the actual jews, not the Pharisees” in several of the books of the New Testament. The modern confusion comes from the fact that most people–even most people who think they are “christians”–don’t realize this linguistic and historical deception. This is especially true of the English-speaking world due to modern, bastardized, heretical translations of the Bible and the divorce from the true traditions of the original Christian church. They’ve totally forgotten how jews have persecuted Christians endlessly for the last two millennia. A nation becomes ruined when it forgets its own history. The same is true of a religion. In fact, the same arguments used to claim, “Christianity is inherently weak because it has now been subverted” can be used to claim “Western nations are inherently weak because they have been subverted,” or “white people are inherently weak because we allow genocide to be committed upon us thanks to our altruism.” It’s just not a good argument at all.
“I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not!
Which is why this statement isn’t what was questioned.
That means a member of Israel.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
Big difference dude.
Nope, you’re just arguing something no one questioned.
And your claim that “the ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago and now only Jews are left” is something the Scriptures never say.
They don’t need to. It’s not relevant to them.
LOL.
You’re making a mockery of yourself, dispensationalist.
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake; but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Again, not questioned.
The Greek word for irrevocable is ἀμεταμέλητα (ametamelēta), meaning not withdrawn
They withdrew it, though. Jews are not saved, by virtue of being jews. Your Scofield bullshit won’t fly here.
So no, Israel did not disappear and get replaced.
No one said otherwise.
Paul explicitly says God has not rejected His people.
No one said otherwise.
And you brushed off the warning about boasting against the natural branches
Because it’s not being discussed. You can’t reply to what is being discussed.
but that warning was written to Gentiles exactly for this kind of arrogance.
Nah, it was written about jews, who do nothing but boast about their heritage to this day.
if some of the branches were broken off
The pharisees denying Christ.
and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them
One pharisee repents and returns to Christ.
do not boast against the branches
“I was originally part of the promise and here I am again!”
it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.
Christ Jesus, without whom no one is saved.
Gentiles are grafted in.
After jews denied Christ and damned themselves to hell for all eternity, yes. Bible says that.
Israel is the root.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
God has not rejected His people.
No one said otherwise. Everyone is His people.
And Gentiles are warned not to boast against the natural branches.
Jews.
You told me to read the Bible. I did.
Self-evident falsehood.
That is why your claim does not line up
The claim you’re refusing to actually address, you mean? In favor of some other claim no one is questioning?
Do better homework
Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words, ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. ~ John 8:43-47
Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers. ~ Acts 7:51-53
It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you and judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles. ~ Acts 13:45-51
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ~ Romans 9:4-8
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision, whose mourns must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake… wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith: not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. ~ Titus 1:10-14
The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us: and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. ~ 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. ~ Revelation 3:9
You were saying?
Yeshua
Go worship your demon somewhere else. Christ is king.
My point is the notion that ONLY they are bad is false.
Cool; no one questioned this.
Why are you questioning it.
Straw Man!
Literally the only reason you replied in the first place, handshake. It’s precisely what you said. You’re done.
having an opinion about a race/religion you don't like
Not what happened.
strawman
Nope, you directly contradicted yourself from the other conversation thread.
What was your real account before you were banned? A one hour old handshake account doesn’t behave like this. Everyone knows you’re sockpuppeting. Who are you?
It’s the jews.
It has always been the jews. If you exterminated every group helping the jews, the problems would still remain. If you exterminated the jews and left the other groups helping them, the problems would go away.
This isn’t questionable. Why are you questioning it.
Self-evidently. You refuse to reply to what others actually write, you can’t defend your claims, and you post heresies that only jews have ever said. We’re completely done. You’ve exposed what you are.
It’s correct, it’s just not complete. You can’t tolerate the intolerable.
every other debate or gripe
Nah, the list is way longer than that. It all flows from that, but your permissiveness is why Christendom doesn’t exist anymore.
Oh, here you are admitting that people who worship jews aren’t Christian. So you instantaneously destroyed your own claims in the other conversation. Perfect; thanks for conceding the argument and admitting you’re only here to lie.
[posts a link that doesn’t prove his claim]
[instead the link proves he pulled the quote out of context of his initial claim]
What was your real account before you were banned? A one hour old handshake account doesn’t behave like this. Everyone knows you’re sockpuppeting. Who are you?
Fun fact, subhuman: Christians don’t worship jews. The Donald worships jews. It’s axiomatic. You’re a humiliation. Delete this one and start over; you blew it instantly.
Paul the Apostle says the exact opposite.
In Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Thanks for the quote that doesn’t refute what I say, nor show he said the opposite.
Any jew that accepts the messiah is a Christian. Any jew that does not is a jew. If this is difficult for you to comprehend, you cannot speak on matters of Christianity.
The root is Israel.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
So the idea that a Jew stops being a Jew the moment he believes Yeshua
Oh, cool; you’re using the fake name. Thanks for outing yourself.
is the Messiah is the exact opposite of what Paul teaches.
No. It’s not. It’s not even remotely relevant to what he said. You seem to have no idea what you’re saying. Acceptance of Christ is the subsumption of previous allegiances and identities into that of the Christian. Christ Himself said so.
And the moment Gentiles start boasting against the natural branches, Paul says you have already forgotten your place. See?
I see that it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
The root supports the Gentile sir
The ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago. Today all we have left is the jew. And they are damned for all eternity.
Have a good day.
Read the Bible for once.
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