How much asbestos is in that tower.
You wrote a novel
Cry about it.
but the whole argument collapses the moment the actual words in the New Testament are read.
Thanks; I directly quoted the New Testament. You have nothing.
The word “Jew” was not invented a few centuries ago
It was, yeah.
The New Testament itself uses the Greek word Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios).
So… not jew. Judean. A different word. Got it.
refers to the Jewish people or Judeans.
No, these are separate people.
Your claim that believing in the Messiah erases Jewish identity is destroyed by the apostle Paul the himself.
Nope, Christ himself says otherwise.
has God rejected and disowned His people
Repeating the same line that was already disproven is not going to help you, dipshit.
Paul believed Yeshua is the Messiah
No, he didn’t. He knew Jesus Christ was the messiah.
By the first century… …the New Testament repeatedly refers to its inhabitants as Jews.
Nope.
The Greek New Testament records the name as Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) because the text was written in Greek.
Oh, neat, so you were wrong. Got it.
Using Yeshua is simply using the Hebrew name
The name in which the New Testament wasn’t written, you mean? You don’t change your name for different languages. That’s not how names work.
And where did Yeshua grow up?
I don’t care. But Jesus grew up in the Levant, which was owned by the Roman Empire at the time and had been previously Hellenized, so He spoke Greek, Latin, ancient Hebrew (which isn’t modern day Hebrew), Aramaic…
the very region you are trying to separate from Jews.
Try again, but this time don’t do exactly what I said you are doing.
No one denies that happened.
Strange that you’ve been.
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake
Oh, enemies of the gospel, huh? Interesting. We should definitely worship them and do whatever they say, then, right?
but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Just like everyone else. What’s your point.
It means not taken back.
If they want to accept Christ, He will accept them. But they don’t. They deny Him. Thus they’re damned. Get it through your jewish head.
Some branches were broken off because of unbelief.
The Pharisees, yeah.
The root is still Israel.
Who are not all of Israel.
God has not rejected His people.
Repeating things no one questioned is a sign of mental illness.
You told me to read the Bible.
You still haven’t, apparently.
That is exactly why your “Hebrews vs Jews” theory falls apart the moment the text is actually read.
Nah, the “theory” comes directly from the text and I directly quoted the parts of the Bible that uphold it.
Jews are not Judeans are not Christians. Your conflation is powerless.
’the disciples totally said it was okay to deny God!]
Okay, you’re done.
QUOTE
Just use the arrows.
You say a Jew who accepts the Messiah stops being a Jew and becomes something else. But the apostle Paul the Apostle literally identifies himself as both after believing in Yeshua. How do you square that?
By actually using the actual definition of the actual words, rather than your postmodernist bullshit.
The main problem stems from the fact that the word jew/judaism has multiple meanings, but most people don’t realize this. This confusion was brought about intentionally. The word ‘jew’ was invented only a few centuries ago in English translations of the Bible as a shortened form of the word ‘Judean.’ This refers to the province of Judea, which at the time of the New Testament was a multi-racial, multicultural area whose capital city was Jerusalem and which was controlled by the Pharisees. Jesus and most of His disciples did not come from Judea–they came from Galilee–and therefore were not jews by the Biblical definition. Judea was originally inhabited by the Israeli tribe of Judah, but by this point was quite mixed. Galilee was inhabited only by the Israeli tribe of Benjamin. The only ‘jewish’ disciple in the modern sense was Judas, who betrayed Jesus.
The Pharisees were the evil Talmudists whom Jesus opposed and who ultimately killed Jesus for daring to disagree with them. Later, Jerusalem was destroyed and some Pharisees survived to become rootless nomads. Along the way, they mixed with more people who converted to Talmudism. Then, after the invention of the English word ‘jew,’ Talmudists started calling themselves “jews” and renamed their religion “judaism.” They started claiming they’re all the people who lived in ancient Israel and therefore they’re the “chosen people” spoken of in the Bible.
In reality, their religion completely contradicts the Old Testament–even the Torah–and they know it. They brought about such a deliberate conflation and confusion of the word ‘jew’ that today people now use a definition expanded to include “everyone in ancient Israel” when that’s not at all what ‘jew’ meant originally. They also like to conflate Judaism with Hebrewism, but the religion of the Pharisees (Talmudism) only began after they returned from captivity in Babylon. The Old Testament religion of the Hebrew people before that was quite different. Today, only a tiny minority of people who call themselves “jews” don’t follow the Talmud.
Finally, there are ’jews’ in the Christian sense. That is to say, the original Christian sense of considering the followers of Christ the inheritors of the promise of Abraham, and therefore jews (in the context of the word used from the Middle Ages translations of the Bible. This is why you see verses equivalent to, “We’re the actual jews, not the Pharisees” in several of the books of the New Testament. The modern confusion comes from the fact that most people–even most people who think they are “christians”–don’t realize this linguistic and historical deception. This is especially true of the English-speaking world due to modern, bastardized, heretical translations of the Bible and the divorce from the true traditions of the original Christian church. They’ve totally forgotten how jews have persecuted Christians endlessly for the last two millennia. A nation becomes ruined when it forgets its own history. The same is true of a religion. In fact, the same arguments used to claim, “Christianity is inherently weak because it has now been subverted” can be used to claim “Western nations are inherently weak because they have been subverted,” or “white people are inherently weak because we allow genocide to be committed upon us thanks to our altruism.” It’s just not a good argument at all.
“I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not!
Which is why this statement isn’t what was questioned.
That means a member of Israel.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
Big difference dude.
Nope, you’re just arguing something no one questioned.
And your claim that “the ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago and now only Jews are left” is something the Scriptures never say.
They don’t need to. It’s not relevant to them.
LOL.
You’re making a mockery of yourself, dispensationalist.
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake; but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Again, not questioned.
The Greek word for irrevocable is ἀμεταμέλητα (ametamelēta), meaning not withdrawn
They withdrew it, though. Jews are not saved, by virtue of being jews. Your Scofield bullshit won’t fly here.
So no, Israel did not disappear and get replaced.
No one said otherwise.
Paul explicitly says God has not rejected His people.
No one said otherwise.
And you brushed off the warning about boasting against the natural branches
Because it’s not being discussed. You can’t reply to what is being discussed.
but that warning was written to Gentiles exactly for this kind of arrogance.
Nah, it was written about jews, who do nothing but boast about their heritage to this day.
if some of the branches were broken off
The pharisees denying Christ.
and you, a wild olive [shoot], were grafted in among them
One pharisee repents and returns to Christ.
do not boast against the branches
“I was originally part of the promise and here I am again!”
it is not you who supports the root, but the root that supports you.
Christ Jesus, without whom no one is saved.
Gentiles are grafted in.
After jews denied Christ and damned themselves to hell for all eternity, yes. Bible says that.
Israel is the root.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
God has not rejected His people.
No one said otherwise. Everyone is His people.
And Gentiles are warned not to boast against the natural branches.
Jews.
You told me to read the Bible. I did.
Self-evident falsehood.
That is why your claim does not line up
The claim you’re refusing to actually address, you mean? In favor of some other claim no one is questioning?
Do better homework
Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words, ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. ~ John 8:43-47
Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers. ~ Acts 7:51-53
It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you and judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles. ~ Acts 13:45-51
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ~ Romans 9:4-8
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision, whose mourns must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake… wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith: not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. ~ Titus 1:10-14
The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us: and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. ~ 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. ~ Revelation 3:9
You were saying?
Yeshua
Go worship your demon somewhere else. Christ is king.
My point is the notion that ONLY they are bad is false.
Cool; no one questioned this.
Why are you questioning it.
Straw Man!
Literally the only reason you replied in the first place, handshake. It’s precisely what you said. You’re done.
having an opinion about a race/religion you don't like
Not what happened.
strawman
Nope, you directly contradicted yourself from the other conversation thread.
What was your real account before you were banned? A one hour old handshake account doesn’t behave like this. Everyone knows you’re sockpuppeting. Who are you?
It’s the jews.
It has always been the jews. If you exterminated every group helping the jews, the problems would still remain. If you exterminated the jews and left the other groups helping them, the problems would go away.
This isn’t questionable. Why are you questioning it.
Self-evidently. You refuse to reply to what others actually write, you can’t defend your claims, and you post heresies that only jews have ever said. We’re completely done. You’ve exposed what you are.
It’s correct, it’s just not complete. You can’t tolerate the intolerable.
every other debate or gripe
Nah, the list is way longer than that. It all flows from that, but your permissiveness is why Christendom doesn’t exist anymore.
Oh, here you are admitting that people who worship jews aren’t Christian. So you instantaneously destroyed your own claims in the other conversation. Perfect; thanks for conceding the argument and admitting you’re only here to lie.
[posts a link that doesn’t prove his claim]
[instead the link proves he pulled the quote out of context of his initial claim]
What was your real account before you were banned? A one hour old handshake account doesn’t behave like this. Everyone knows you’re sockpuppeting. Who are you?
Fun fact, subhuman: Christians don’t worship jews. The Donald worships jews. It’s axiomatic. You’re a humiliation. Delete this one and start over; you blew it instantly.
Paul the Apostle says the exact opposite.
In Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Thanks for the quote that doesn’t refute what I say, nor show he said the opposite.
Any jew that accepts the messiah is a Christian. Any jew that does not is a jew. If this is difficult for you to comprehend, you cannot speak on matters of Christianity.
The root is Israel.
They are not all of Israel who are of Israel.
So the idea that a Jew stops being a Jew the moment he believes Yeshua
Oh, cool; you’re using the fake name. Thanks for outing yourself.
is the Messiah is the exact opposite of what Paul teaches.
No. It’s not. It’s not even remotely relevant to what he said. You seem to have no idea what you’re saying. Acceptance of Christ is the subsumption of previous allegiances and identities into that of the Christian. Christ Himself said so.
And the moment Gentiles start boasting against the natural branches, Paul says you have already forgotten your place. See?
I see that it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
The root supports the Gentile sir
The ancient Hebrews all became Christians centuries ago. Today all we have left is the jew. And they are damned for all eternity.
Have a good day.
Read the Bible for once.
If they’re jews, they’re not messianic. If they’re messianic, they’re not jews.
This implies a narrative where the earth is less than 6,000 years old.
No shit. It’s almost as though you’re pretending you don’t know what jews are.
This is just the first one that is easy to reference
Good job proving what I said—that I don’t randomly change my views like you openly and admittedly have with respect to the age of the universe. Your own links take viewers directly to the conversation where you do this. Spectacular job.
He doesn't make clear
That’s because you’re paid to post lies on this website.
He throws all kinds of garbage out upon us without concern and decolines to resolve the issues or commit to a position.
The jew (or is it jew? or maybe even jew?) cries out in pain as it strikes you. Reported for libel.
he's not one who easily gets along with others who follow Christ alone.
Given that you openly lied about it—and every single other thing you have ever said on any topic—I can’t imagine why.
now you have, and you've gotten a fair warning about it.
Good ol’ libel.
The Donald is majority Christian.
Not a one of them.
Your inability to acknowledge a difference between what is thought and what is said continues, which was my initial point.
Your point is bullshit, yeah.
your inability to acknowledge difference between thought and word suggests you don't recognize this either.
Please think that gravity doesn’t exist and you can fly if you just wish hard enough.
If you recognize that the laws as known are incomplete, you'd have no problem with variable lightspeed
“If you recognize the laws are incomplete, then you admit 2+2≠4!” ~ the mentally deranged
Of course when we discussed it you hemmed and hawed
More bullshit, yeah.
sometimes going with millions and sometimes with billions
More bullshit, yeah. You were the only one saying, “it doesn’t matter how old it really is as long as it isn’t as old as it’s known to be!”
without indicating what you actually believe
Did, though.
So I'm not sure you want the debate.
The jew cries out in pain as it strikes you.
I don’t see
I do, however. If “your cowardice” is rule one, “your persona” is rule one. Delete his post and hold him to the same standard as me and I’ll remove the line from mine.
you made an attack
There’s not a SINGLE. FUCKING. WORD. in my comment that attacks the user. You cannot list the word. You can not give an explanation of how any of the words, in context, attack the user.
I know you can’t refute a word I say
Directly speaking about the topic of discussion. Provide a direct link to it refuting a word I have said.
and that the truth hurts your feelings.
Directly speaking about the topic of discussion with respect to its inability to refute a word I have said, and the content of its comments made instead of doing so.
It’s not good.
Referring to its behavior.
If you can prove me wrong, go on and do it.
Directly demanding the user remain on the topic of discussion and only post about the topic of discussion, not post about other users.
Explain where the violation is.
observations
Read: lies.
I don’t see
Fortunately for the rules, your opinions on this matter aren’t relevant. It’s an attack. Remove it.
This is an attack on the person, not the argument.
Completely incorrect. By way of analogy, an explanation.
“When a person swearing an oath about something (O: in the future, affirming or denying that it will occur) includes the expression ‘in sha’ Allah’ (if Allah wills) before finishing the oath, then the oath is not broken in any event if he thereby intends to provide for exceptions. But if he merely says it out of habit, not intending to make an exception to his oath, or if he says it after having finished swearing the oath, then the exception is not valid (O: because when an oath has been completed, its efficacy is established and not eradicable by a statement of exception).” ~ Reliance of the Traveler, O19.5
Astute readers will notice the strong similarities between this form of lawyerly hairsplitting and that of the jewish Talmud. How does this behavior work in practice? Surah 1 is a supplication Muslims make to Allah (seventeen times a day) to keep them from the path of “those with whom Allah is angry” and “those who have lost their way.” This includes Christians. A Christian who objects to this denigration will be met with, “Surah 1 never mentions Christians,” and be expected to accept this as a refutation of his concerns. In responding this way, a Muslim is practicing tawriya. Though Surah 1 does not mention Christians by name, Muslims know the words “those” in Surah 1 refers to Christians and all others who are not Muslim. Another example is the Muslim response to a greeting of “Merry Christmas!” He might say, “I wish you the best.” You believe he has returned a Christmas greeting or at least reflects your happiness at the general state of the season. In actuality, he has expressed his wish for you to convert to Islam. He wishes the best for you in his subjective, sophistic view–that you will become a Muslim.
And so irrespective of the user’s use of the word ‘God’, it does not mean the same entity as the one in the preexisting conversation.
is there something I can do to help
Actually enforce the actual rules as actually written. Or just ban lies, that way we don’t have to retread the same kike arguments every single fucking second of every single fucking day when they keep spamming disproven bullshit over and over.
You'd be surprised.
No. I wouldn’t. God created them. You can’t violate them.
I recall you thinking
Your memory is irrelevant to the immutability of the physical laws of the universe.
your assuming
Didn’t happen. Try again with actual physical evidence.
I tell everyone else to work with me to select criteria by which a particular new law of physics can be discerned objectively and undeniably
Did that. You rejected those laws of physics because they hurt your feelings.
but they always back down long before we get into full negotiations.
You mean like how you were unable to prove by any metric whatsoever that “the speed of light has changed”? That backing down?
But somehow, reading your mind
Translation: “Engaging in strawmen because what was written hurt my feelings.”
the number of Swamp Rangers
Oh, so you admit to having sockpuppets.
the same mission in Christ
The God you deny, you mean.
If you can tell yourself the Bible is lying to you about “there is only one way to heaven” and “no one was sinless except Christ,” you can tell yourself anything about anything.
It’s just not acceptable.