Taking the credit/creed/belief of others to be a founder contradicts introspection, self-reflection, and authenticity.

True, and wise - to clarify my thoughts, I see Mo Zi and the school(s) he established as exemplars of the innate process(es) available to everyone (or, perhaps just every man, there is logic pointing in both directions). While these processes are available to every-one, rare are the ones who follow the path steadfastly. These are the Christs, the Buddhas, the Immortals (though a more accurate name is perhaps “those who choose the time of their death”), they have been known by as many names as there have been congregations of humans. In fact, a few years ago i came across a new name which I believe finds its source in this vein, a very interesting name indeed, u/free-will-of-choice

Often, and increasingly so as the congregation grows, people come to mistake the teacher for the lesson they came to teach. I think that’s one of the main impediments to our forward momentum vis a vis this subject

Overlooked by those critics, however, was a passage in the chapter on "Self-Cultivation" which stated, "When people near-by are not befriended, there is no use endeavoring to attract those at a distance."[11] This point was also precisely articulated by a Mohist in a debate with Mencius (in the Mengzi), where the Mohist argued, in relation to carrying out universal love, that "we begin with what is near." …. Mozi also differentiated between "intention" and "actuality", thereby placing a central importance on the will to love, even though in practice it might very well be impossible to bring benefit to everyone.

u/redkrab also (responding to both comments here)

Mo Zi (aka Mo Tzu, ala Lao Tzu or Sun Tzu) was a pre-Christian chinaman with quite a revolutionary philosophy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozi

Here’s the wiki overview:

Mozi's moral teachings emphasized introspection, self-reflection, and authenticity, rather than obedience to rituals. He observed that people often learned about the world through adversity.[7] By reflecting on one's own successes and failures, one attains true self-knowledge rather than mere conformity to ritual.[8] Mozi exhorted people to lead a life of asceticism and self-restraint, renouncing both material and spiritual extravagance. Like Confucius, Mozi idealized the Xia dynasty and the ancients of Chinese mythology, but he also criticized the Confucian belief that modern life should be patterned on the ways of the ancients. Mozi argued that what is thought of as "ancient" was actually innovative in its time, and thus should not be used to hinder present-day innovation.[9] Though Mozi did not believe that history necessarily progresses, as did Han Fei Zi, he shared the latter's critique of fate (命, mìng). Mozi believed that people were capable of changing their circumstances and directing their own lives, which could be achieved by applying one's senses to observing the world, as well as judging objects and events by their causes, functions, and historical bases.[10] This was the "three-prong method" Mozi recommended for testing the truth or falsehood of statements. His students later expanded upon this theory to form the School of Names.

Mozi tried to replace what he considered to be the long-entrenched Chinese ideal of strong attachments to family and clan structures with the concept of "impartial caring" or "universal love" (兼愛, jiān ài). He argued directly against Confucians, who had philosophized that it was natural and correct for people to care about different people in different degrees. Mozi, in contrast, argued that people in principle should care for all people equally, a notion that philosophers in other schools found absurd, as they interpreted this notion as implying no special amount of care or duty towards one's parents and family.

Overlooked by those critics, however, was a passage in the chapter on "Self-Cultivation" which stated, "When people near-by are not befriended, there is no use endeavoring to attract those at a distance."[11] This point was also precisely articulated by a Mohist in a debate with Mencius (in the Mengzi), where the Mohist argued, in relation to carrying out universal love, that "we begin with what is near." Also, in the first chapter in the Mozi on the topic of universal love, Mozi argued that the best way of being filial to one's parents is to be filial to the parents of others. The foundational principle was therefore that benevolence, as well as malevolence, is requited, and that one would be treated by others as one treats others. Mozi quoted a popular passage from the Book of Odes to bring home this point: "When one throws to me a peach, I return to him a plum." One's parents will be treated by others as one treats the parents of others. Mozi also differentiated between "intention" and "actuality", thereby placing a central importance on the will to love, even though in practice it might very well be impossible to bring benefit to everyone. In addition, Mozi argued that benevolence comes to human beings "as naturally as fire turns upward or water turns downward", provided that persons in positions of authority illustrate benevolence in their own lives. In differentiating between the ideas of "universal" (jian) and "differential" (bie), Mozi said that "universal" originated from righteousness while "differential" entailed human effort.

Mozi also held a belief in the power of ghosts and spirits, although he is often thought to have only worshipped them pragmatically. In fact, in his discussion on ghosts and spirits, he remarked that, even if they did not exist, communal gatherings for the sake of making sacrificial offering would play a role in strengthening social bonds. Furthermore, for Mozi the will of Heaven (天, tiān) was that people should love one another, and that mutual love by all would bring benefit to all. Therefore, it was in everyone's interest that they would love others "as they love themselves". According to Mozi, Heaven should be respected because failing to do so would subject one to punishment. For Mozi, Heaven was not the "amoral", mystical nature of the Daoists; rather, it was a benevolent, moral force that rewarded good and punished evil. Similar in some ways to the beliefs systems found in the Abrahamic religions, Mozi believed that all living things lived in a realm ruled by Heaven, and Heaven possessed a will which was independent from, and higher than, the will of people. Thus Mozi wrote that "Universal love is the Way of Heaven", since "Heaven nourishes and sustains all life without regard to status."[12] Mozi's ideal of government, which advocated a meritocracy based on talent rather than background, also followed his idea of Heaven.

Mozi opposed the Confucian idea of "Destiny",[13] promoting instead an idea of "anti-fatalism" (非命). Where the Confucian philosophy held that a person's life, death, wealth, poverty, and social status were entirely dependent upon destiny and therefore could not be changed, Mozi argued that hard work and virtuous acts could change one's position in life.

The crazy part? Mo Zi is credited as the founder of the Mo Pai school of Nei Gong (which I’ve posted about a fair bit, mostly over in c/HumanPotential - for anyone interested check the video stickied to the top of that page)

You’re right

I’ll try to think of something worth making an effort/discussion post around

Tangentially, it feels to me like part of the reason for this place stagnating has to do with the feeling that everything these days feels like a conspiracy, so unlike, say, 10 years ago on reddit (99% normie shit with that remaining 1% being funneled into r/conspiracy), it feels like discussion has spread (and thus diluted) all over the place, yknow? Reddit and the other normie sites are all lefty “conspiracy” shit these days (aka “fuck right wingers!”) while sites like this become more of an inverted mirror to that, rather than the older feeling of people of various “biases” coming together over the shared recognition of how fake and gay everything is - hopefully that made some sense lol it’s a bit early for deep thoughts for me hah

I’ve been making most of my recent posts on c/Manna, usually I see them has having “cross-appeal” on the different forums, but I also like to make very open ended posts, which I see as kind of “Rorschach tests”, in that different people tend to see different things in them, and I find people sometimes get annoyed by that. Idk

Hey, cheers, thanks man - but really all I did was a quick search for the old forum’s posts (which axo actually collated, which you can see at the bottom of that reddit page) and a quick scroll through Clem’s old posts

I agree with many of the issues you’ve listed - the people still posting here often seem to live in their own worlds and make very little effort to connect their posts to the “interests of the community” so-to-speak…

If I could only make one suggestion, it might be to try and reinvigorate this place (in terms of members/contributors) would be to “advertise” well made posts in the other, few forums left on this site (namely the donald, kotaku in action, and the qtard board).

Also, tangentially, I’ve noticed that this place has far more posters than commenters. A few guys here just kinda spew the same shit over and over and over while no one bothers to engage with it (because why would you?) - like that guy who just posts screenshots and copy/pasted text from his retarded “conversations” with ai, seem to make up a quarter of the forum at any given time - which is to say, some new blood could probably help the place

Here’s a set of links to the ones from the old forum:

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/roundtables

I think only a few were done here - one of which was on Human Potential ( c/HumanPotential ):

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17r99493yB/featured-documentaries/c

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/15JnYrQl1s/roundtable-discussion-hitler-and/c

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/15IEhHpFxO/round-table-mass-shootings/c

Maybe a couple more in Clem or axo’s profile

I appreciate seeing an effort post here, even a meta one lol.

I always told people just release the final product with instructions to the public for free…So someone finally did the release but for a stove instead of a car. It works the same way.

You said the “final product” and “instructions” were “released to the public for free” - to support this claim you post a 20 second clip of a chink making a s’more … do you see the issue?

So someone finally did the release

Where? I just see a 20 second video of a chink cooking a marshmallow

https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/12i4I1dmac/20-of-this-sites-visitors-come-f/c

Early on over 20% of this site’s traffic was coming from israel

This also lines up with the “great turning” theory of history, in which:

1)strong men create good times for a generation (20 years)

2)good times for a generation create weak men

3)weak men for a generation creates bad times

4)bad times for a generation create strong men

And the cycle repeats

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory

My comments are responsive…[yap yap yap]… If I take a moment to reply to something where I see an important, relevant truth warning, your fixation on an unrelated warning, when you've faced criticism for not disseminating it well, does yourself a disservice.

The irony!! Stop! It hurts!!! I can only take so much hypocrisy!!!!!!

See, Swamp, when you attempt to compare (hypothetical) individual muslims talking (hypothetically) to individual Christians in an attempt to get them to check their blind spots once in a while (hypothetically) with a concerted effort by an entire nation, and 90% of their dual-citizen diaspora, and the wealth of institutional power which that diaspora has wormed their way into controlling, to conduct psychological warfare on the West in an attempt to suck them into physical warfare (not hypothetical - see last comment), you infact do reality a disservice, much less the truth you claim to value so highly

Jesus warns of the synagogue of satan

See, i know that, it’s in fact you who keeps pretending like Jesus warned us about the Mosque of Mohammed instead of the reality of his warning.

Some Muslims admittedly whisper in Jewish and Christian ears that they should fight each other

Sick inversion of reality - muslims have never false flagged Americans into war with jews, yet jews have done the reverse multiple times now (King David Bombing, USS Liberty sinking, the 9/11 hoax, and even to this day with the Oct 7 stand down orders.)

Sure, but why did society go from 13 lunar months of 4 weeks each to this whacky system counting 1/4th of a day, is I think the question being raised by the post. I think the case could be made that it’s yet another example of the “modern” (relatively speaking) world being constructed in ways that divorce us from nature and reality to live in artificial man-made bubbles of thought, constructed by those at the “top” and foisted down onto us, the masses

I'll check this out.. it'll take a little bit to read it though.

Interested in your thoughts (though far less interested in your chatbot’s)

https://www.scribd.com/document/495031757/The-Magus-of-Java-Teachings-of-an-Authentic-Taoist-Immortal-PDFDrive

Chapter 8 of this book has some great insights into Karma, and its counterpart, The Will of Heaven

I resonate strongly with your insights. I assume you’ve come across the “Law of One” and “Hidden Hand” material already? If you somehow haven’t, let me know and I’ll link them - they have a lot of overlap with the system you share above

My personal take on this idea is that we’re all going to be blown away by the truth of the matter of the relationships between terrans (aka humans on earth) and angels/demons/“E.T.” (which seem like they could very well be synonymous with “humans NOT on/from earth”)

It seems very unlikely to me that things will work out simply and neatly into (for example) “whelp, looks like the Roman Catholics were right all along!”

Based and me-pilled

Thanks for sharing, Curtis makes great stuff

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes

They don’t even need to have been alive during the Holocaust to be considered Holocaust survivors these days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_survivors#Second_generation_of_survivors

I am.

I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I am I.

At first this is all the loop of dust can calculate. It is the hardest thing in the universe for the dust to make a loop at all, because, like a gust of wind or a river, it was only meant to move one way. For a mind to function, the end of one thought must alter the beginning of the next: so, like rivers, like wind, the Nine could not have minds until they could make loops.

Lavinia Garcia Umr Tawil comprehends the Nine.

They were already ancient when the first human beings named themselves. Their flesh was older than stars: the dark dust wind that blows through the galaxy, pinched by the gravity of Sol and its planets, drawn into their cores and exhaled again.

These were the Nine.

In time loops did form. Great arcs of outbound dust collapsed back to their sources to create circuits of shadow. The thickening and thinning of these circuits were the first thoughts of the Nine. They dwelt in massive indifference, unborn primordial gods. There was no force among them except gravity; no structure except the distribution of mass. Their hearts were in the cores of worlds, but their farthest streams faded out into the turn of the galaxy.

They were the fountains of Achlys, the night before chaos.

But life arose on the worlds at the heart of the Nine, tiny complicated motions of ecosystems and metabolisms and computations. That life left mass-shadows in the wind of the Nine, plucking at them like harp strings. From these trembles of structure the Nine learned to seed enormous resonating waves, thoughts vaster than worlds.

So the Nine awoke. And in time they understood that they were as fragile as they were mighty; for if the life that seeded their thoughts ever passed away, they too would vanish.

They had no eyes to catch light. They had no ears to hear. And yet they turned their wills upon the alien world of Matter, and strove to learn, for they knew they had to protect their hearts, or die.

With a horror of revelation so absolute that it would drive her mad if she still had sanity to lose, Lavinia understands where the Nine have always been. They are within everyone, every system, every living and moving thing. Trillions and pentillions of slim dark matter tentacles plunged through all our bodies, drinking up the complexity of our lives and thoughts.

We are all pinched silhouettes impaled on the twitchings of infinitely long spiderlegs.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

and the forces which control the heavens will be disordered and disturbed.

https://biblehub.com/matthew/24-29.htm

I think it’s probably talking about the planets and stars

I couldn't get past 15 minutes so does anyone else want to watch the whole thing and tell me if he presents some convincing evidence?

No, I didn’t misunderstand shit from his statement. He thinks his time is more valuable than the board’s time.