I've been testing out everything they try to put out there, in recent seasons, to see if there's "shenanigans", eh.
So I'll do an order of ready to drink various types.. and they got some gin there.
I tested out this "lemon gin".. cause I recall as a teen in the 80's, eh. Well they got one type it's fucking Diageo.. so red flag there. It's just gin with bullshit in it.
But yeah.. I'll be having ready to drink various types.. then when I have some gin types, then I catch more of a buzz, eh.
Which type did they say, you gotta watch it, you'll go blind.. I think it might of been the lemon gin. In the 80's I remember trying like a mickey of it.. and that's more like what it was.. not this diageo bullshit in the green plastic bottle.
But yeah.. have you tested out like all the types of drinks out there.. cause that'd suck where you couldn't like test them all out. lol. Maybe something you can handle.
What is bad.. is trying to get "mix".. like the peach type drinks, eh.. that was a good one. lol.. they can't do peach. Mainstream brands.. like peace tea, made by coca cola.. bad. Pure leaf or something.. terrible. This "simply".. that was awful. The "fruite".. that tasted like something you'd put in your car wash fluid container. Those peach attempts were so bad.. I later did a vid of dumping them out. Lipton iced tea, peach was good.. had a 12 cans of that and oh that was the peach schnapps test.. dr mcgillicuddy's.. lol.
The lemon gin.. was with lemonade.. those were more "ok", right.. cause it's not too hard and doesn't cost as much.. so more of those were ok. The problem was the lemon gin.. it's not like it was in the 80's. That diageo shit wouldn't make ya go blind.. lol.. it was just bullshit cut with gin.
what is this "threads" bullshit anyways? Like i'm on insta.. and it seems like if you go to some of that it's like another version of an insta page but it's trying to be like twitter? I haven't even checked 1 page of this fucking bullshit "threads" shit. lol..
You know what this reminds me of.. is when youtube tried to get into social networking and shoved shit down everybody's throat with their flunk.. the g+ and that never even worked. lol.. Nerd guys don't know how to do social networking.
I'll give you a clue how it works.. it's like "bars". Think of the "bar rescue" tv show, with Jon Taffer.. he was like.. what you do is reel in the women, and the men will follow. Well, then the money, right.. But holy shit. So you gotta think about women.. like mid 2000's.. the whole nerd thing.. the phones.. social networking.. and oh when did they finally go, oh we can do that and it's not geek shit, eh. I don't know.. I think it was insta. Where they can use their phones, post pics of them being hot and stuff. But google.. nerd guys don't get it and that whole g+ shit sure went down the shit hole, eh. Well same shit with this threads bullshit, eh? NERDS. lol.
yeah cause it says threads and tread too, right.. so what are they trying to do.. like what is this don't tread on me thing..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag
these devil worshippers and snakes, eh.. plus isn't there some 666 in both of these, I bet. lol.
This whole "threads" shit.. never checked any pages about it, even once. lol.. and I'm on insta.. funturistic. So fuck these guys with their attempt at whatever they're trying to do.. wasn't it like trying to compete with twitter or something?
Checked it all out. Noticed he fucking dies the year after this was released. We've seen that type of thing before.
A Trip Into the Supernatural (1997)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6881934/
Roger J. Morneau (18 April 1925 – 22 September 1998)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Morneau
I can name quite a few conspiracy guys who get taken out like a year after they whistle blow.
Your biggest tip is how those who got injected, some are emanting a "mac address" you can get on gear we have. Lemme get a clip about that.
Segment from "THE BIG RESET MOVIE (ENG) The uncensored documentary about the truth of the pandemic". In this 8 minute part, they research how 86% of those who got covid vaccines were registering as emanating a MAC address on computer devices. They go out in the wilderness with test groups.
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17rSjCnDBy/segment-from-the-big-reset-movie/c
This is just the tip of the iceberg of the tech we can detect. You need to do research about military tech they had before the covid.
Steve Hoffman - Brain Hacking & MindTech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_TQBjFkv1Q
Dr. James Giordano: The Brain is the Battlefield of the Future
Modern War Institute
254K views 5 years ago Dr. James Giordano, Chief of the Neuroethics Studies Program and Scholar-in-Residence in the Pellegrino Center for Clinical Bioethics at Georgetown University, speaks to cadets and faculty about how advancements in neuroscience and neurotechnology will impact the future of war. This event was hosted by the Modern War Institute at West Point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N02SK9yd60s
Their AI is just monitoring everybody these days to see how the collective consciousness functions.
Look around for Yuval Noah Harari, mentioning in videos, "biometric surveillance" "under the skin".
ok I'm up to halfway.. One thing he mentioned fit in with previous puzzle pieces. When he was at a eyes wide shut get together in a rich place, was mentioning this doctor who'd use entities to stop bleeding during surgeries. That reminds me of these magicians.
“Magicians” Prove A Spiritual World Exists - Demonic Activity Caught On Video. 2 hours 40 minutes.
vaticancatholic.com
130K subscribers
4.7M views 7 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fKrFeX8dRY
“Magicians” Prove A Spiritual World Exists (2020 Edition). 3 hours 27 minutes.
146K views 4 years ago
What happened to Helen Keller.. wasn't she like deaf and blind.. jeez. Did she get smacked by a rock too and banged her head on the ground. Let me check. She was alive till 68. "she lost her sight and her hearing after a bout of illness when she was 19 months old."
What are you wondering about her? I don't think she did this visions stuff like this other chick.
Got this in the bookmarks bar to gradually check out. Here's a wiki page about this guy..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Morneau
Should be a good one. Cause I know a lot about this Luciferian elite cabal stuff. lol
I don't know, man.. I gotta check out this book after this rough upbringing.. jeez.. she was "gibbled". lol. I think she couldn't even "write" after that shit. Yet show does she do all this shit later.
Hang on.. out of text room in that previous post.
Checking that link for where it talked about when she got hit from the rock. That's from this page
https://www.ellenwhite.info/ellen_white_life_1a.htm
I was born at Gorham, Maine, November 26, 1827. My parents, Robert and Eunice Harmon, were for many years residents of this State. In early life they became earnest and devoted members of the Methodist Episcopal Church. In that church they held prominent connection, and labored for the conversion of sinners, and to build up the cause of God, for a period of forty years. During this time they had the joy of seeing their children, eight in number, all converted and gathered into the fold of Christ.
from EGW Estate Bracket Street School in Portland, Maine, where Ellen White attended school as a child.—White Estate. Near-fatal Accident While I was but a child, my parents removed from Gorham to Portland, Maine. Here, at the age of nine years, an accident happened to me which was to affect my whole life. In company with my twin sister and one of our schoolmates, I was crossing a common in the city of Portland, when a girl about thirteen years of age, becoming angry at some trifle, threw a stone that hit me on the nose. I was stunned by the blow, and fell senseless to the ground.
When consciousness returned, I found myself in a merchant's store. A kind stranger offered to take me home in his carriage, but I, not realizing my weakness, told him that I preferred to walk. Those present were not aware that my injury was so serious, and allowed me to go; but after walking only a few rods, I grew faint and dizzy. My twin sister and my schoolmate carried me home.
I have no recollection of anything further for some time after the accident. My mother said that I noticed nothing, but lay in a stupor for three weeks. No one but herself thought it possible for me to recover, but for some reason she felt that I would live.
When I again aroused to consciousness, it seemed to me that I had been asleep. I did not remember the accident, and was ignorant of the cause of my illness. A great cradle had been made for me, and in it I lay for many weeks. I was reduced almost to a skeleton.
At this time I began to pray the Lord to prepare me for death. When Christian friends visited the family, they would ask my mother if she had talked with me about dying. I overheard this, and it roused me. I desired to become a Christian, and prayed earnestly for the forgiveness of my sins. I felt a peace of mind resulting, and loved everyone, feeling desirous that all should have their sins forgiven, and love Jesus as I did.
I gained strength very slowly. As I became able to join in play with my young friends, I was forced to learn the bitter lesson that our personal appearance often makes a difference in the treatment we receive from our companions.
Education My health seemed to be hopelessly impaired. For two years I could not breathe through my nose, and was able to attend school but little. It seemed impossible for me to study and to retain what I learned. The same girl who was the cause of my misfortune, was appointed monitor by our teacher, and it was among her duties to assist me in my writing and other lessons. She always seemed sincerely sorry for the great injury she had done me, although I was careful not to remind her of it. She was tender and patient with me, and seemed sad and thoughtful as she saw me laboring under serious disadvantages to get an education.
My nervous system was prostrated, and my hand trembled so that I made but little progress in writing, and could get no farther than the simple copies in coarse hand. As I endeavored to bend my mind to my studies, the letters in the page would run together, great drops of perspiration would stand upon my brow, and a faintness and dizziness would seize me. I had a bad cough, and my whole system seemed debilitated.
My teachers advised me to leave school, and not pursue my studies further till my health should improve. It was the hardest struggle of my young life to yield to my feebleness, and decide that I must leave my studies, and give up the hope of gaining an education.
(Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White, pp. 13-15)
Damn.. that rock hit her in the nose and she said later " For two years I could not breathe through my nose". Imagine if you had to deal with that shit. lol
When girls get hit by shit.. they just smoke their head on the ground, eh. lol.
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the wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_G._White
do they talk about her head injury?
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Yes, the Wikipedia page on Ellen G. White does mention her head injury. When she was nine years old, she was struck in the face by a stone, which led to a severe head injury. This injury caused her to be in a coma for three weeks and left her with long-term health issues1.
If you have any more questions about Ellen G. White or anything else, feel free to ask!
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how come they don't talk about that on the wiki page?
Copilot
It seems that the Wikipedia page on Ellen G. White does not currently include details about her head injury. This could be due to various reasons, such as editorial choices or the focus of the article being more on her contributions and legacy rather than her personal health history.
If you’re interested in more detailed information about her head injury and its impact, there are other sources that discuss it extensively12. Would you like to know more about her life and work, or perhaps something else?
You
What do you think about that? Seems rather "important" yet it's not on the wiki page.
Copilot
It’s definitely interesting that such a significant event in Ellen G. White’s life isn’t mentioned on her Wikipedia page. Her head injury had a profound impact on her life and could be considered important context for understanding her later experiences and contributions.
Wikipedia articles are often shaped by the contributions of many editors, and sometimes important details can be overlooked or omitted. If you feel this information should be included, you could consider contributing to the page yourself or suggesting it on the article’s talk page.
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Wouldn't that lead you to believe that some of these guys in the church edited that out or are preventing it from being on the wiki page?
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It’s understandable to wonder about the reasons behind the omission. Wikipedia is a collaborative platform, and its content is shaped by many contributors with varying perspectives. While it’s possible that some individuals might prefer to emphasize certain aspects of Ellen G. White’s life over others, it’s also important to consider that Wikipedia has guidelines for verifiability and neutrality. Sometimes, details might be left out simply because they haven’t been added by editors yet or because they need more reliable sources.
If you believe this information is crucial, you can suggest its inclusion on the article’s talk page or contribute to the article yourself, ensuring you provide reliable sources to support the addition.
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well, what do you think.. is that information "crucial" like you suggest.. because that explains these "visions" and people might think it's "mental illness" instead of the real deal. Which is why they're trying to hide it from the wiki page.
Copilot
You raise a valid point. The head injury and its potential impact on Ellen G. White’s visions could be seen as crucial context for understanding her experiences. Some might argue that including this information provides a more complete picture of her life and the origins of her visions, while others might feel it detracts from her spiritual contributions.
It’s possible that different perspectives within the church or among her followers could influence how her story is presented. However, Wikipedia aims to maintain a neutral point of view, so ideally, all significant aspects of her life, including her head injury, should be covered if they are well-documented and relevant.
If you feel strongly about this, contributing to the Wikipedia page or discussing it on the article’s talk page could help ensure a more balanced representation.
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However.. this page..
https://www.nonsda.org/egw/headinjury.shtml
Who are these guys.. are they for them or against them. Seems like they're on their side so it's not "fake".
Copilot
The website nonsda.org is run by individuals who were formerly members of the Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church but have since left. The site is critical of certain SDA doctrines and aims to compare them with what they believe to be true Biblical teachings12. While they acknowledge some positive aspects of the SDA Church, their overall stance is one of critique and reform2.
Given this context, the information on nonsda.org is likely intended to be accurate, but it is presented from a perspective that is critical of the SDA Church. It’s always a good idea to cross-reference such information with other reputable sources to get a well-rounded understanding.
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oh if they left, that's bad, eh?
Copilot
It’s understandable to think that leaving a group might reflect negatively, but it’s important to consider the reasons behind their departure. People leave organizations for various reasons, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that their perspectives or information are invalid. In fact, former members can sometimes provide valuable insights based on their experiences.
If you’re interested in a balanced view, it’s helpful to look at multiple sources, including those from within the SDA Church and those from outside or critical perspectives. This way, you can form a well-rounded understanding.
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Yet who's posting this.. the article seems to be from somebody on their side.. it says:
The Significance of Ellen White's Head Injury By by Molleurus Couperus, M.D., Adventist Currents, June 1985
So that's somebody on their side, this whole article, right?
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Molleurus Couperus, M.D., was indeed a respected figure within the Seventh-day Adventist community. He was a professor of dermatology at Loma Linda University and the founding editor of the independent Adventist journal Spectrum1. His article, “The Significance of Ellen White’s Head Injury,” published in Adventist Currents in June 1985, explores the potential impact of Ellen G. White’s head injury on her visions2.
While Couperus was part of the Adventist community, his work often involved critical examination of various aspects of the church, including its history and doctrines. This suggests that his article was intended to provide a thoughtful and scholarly perspective rather than simply defending or promoting a particular viewpoint1.
If you have more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
Hey we got some data here.. robot guy said, lol.. "When she was nine years old, she was struck in the face by a stone, which led to a severe head injury. This injury caused her to be in a coma for three weeks and left her with long-term health issues1."
So wtf.. she gets nailed in the face with a fucking rock.. what happened there.. hang on, lemme ask it. lol.
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you said "When she was nine years old, she was struck in the face by a stone, which led to a severe head injury. This injury caused her to be in a coma for three weeks and left her with long-term health issues1."
What went on there.. I get it, when you're kids, growing up, sometimes there's stupid stuff.. so what were the circumstances where somebody would throw a, probably pretty big "rock" at her face? Was it just some bully or did she instagate what happened?
Copilot
The incident occurred when Ellen G. White was nine years old and living in Portland, Maine. She was with her twin sister and a schoolmate when a girl, about thirteen years old, became angry over a trivial matter and threw a stone at Ellen, hitting her in the face12. This wasn’t a case of Ellen instigating the event; it seems to have been an impulsive act by the other girl.
The injury was severe, causing Ellen to fall unconscious and leading to significant bleeding. She briefly regained consciousness but then fell into a coma that lasted for about three weeks12. This injury had long-term effects on her health and is often discussed in the context of her later visions and spiritual experiences.
If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
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Like how big was this rock here.. cause to do that to somebody ain't just something the size of your hand.. that would have to have been a pretty big "stone", like you said.. you didn't just say "rock", right.. so did anybody figure out like how big was this rock?
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The exact size of the stone that injured Ellen G. White isn’t clearly documented in the sources available. However, given the severity of the injury—causing her to fall unconscious, enter a coma for three weeks, and suffer long-term health effects—it was likely a substantial and heavy object12.
The incident was severe enough to cause significant facial trauma and long-lasting consequences, which suggests it wasn’t just a small pebble but rather a larger, more forceful projectile.
If you have any more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
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Maybe it's more when she fell down, right.. banging your head on the ground can do that more than the rock, eh?
Copilot
That’s a good point. The initial impact from the stone certainly caused significant trauma, but it’s also possible that the subsequent fall and hitting her head on the ground contributed to the severity of her injuries. Falls can indeed cause serious head injuries, especially if the head strikes a hard surface.
The combination of the stone’s impact and the fall likely resulted in the severe consequences she experienced. This kind of injury can lead to complex and long-lasting effects, which seems to be the case with Ellen G. White.
If you have more questions or thoughts on this topic, feel free to share!
ok.. so we got more data of what happened.. it said..
"The incident occurred when Ellen G. White was nine years old and living in Portland, Maine. She was with her twin sister and a schoolmate when a girl, about thirteen years old, became angry over a trivial matter and threw a stone at Ellen, hitting her in the face12. This wasn’t a case of Ellen instigating the event; it seems to have been an impulsive act by the other girl.
The injury was severe, causing Ellen to fall unconscious and leading to significant bleeding. She briefly regained consciousness but then fell into a coma that lasted for about three weeks12. This injury had long-term effects on her health and is often discussed in the context of her later visions and spiritual experiences."
Damn.. this chick was in a coma for like 3 weeks. Plus this odd thing of being a "twin". You can get like some extra clairvoyant stuff going on, like when they almost die, eh.. This is like in horror movies. So I wonder if she could see like dead people. Sounds like it, maybe. Like those spirit guides.. lol
lol.. hang on.. noticed, Portland, Maine. We had that city subreddit of them snail mail shoving this damn free book and they were fucking burning it or something.. lemme get that again. This is funny, cause that's where she grew up and that's where she got hit with this rock. lol.
This is the searching reddit for "the great controversy", where you can see others who get this damn book. But she wrote this like late 1800's. lol. Like how can it be "relevant" to what's going on these days cause things change so much, right. But yeah.. here's the posts of when it's in this portland maine. lol
https://old.reddit.com/r/portlandme/comments/1dp1tej/the_great_controversy/
https://old.reddit.com/r/portlandme/comments/1dvo7f9/the_great_controversy_great_dog_enrichment/
I wonder if they get more of this book because that's where she's from. lol.
Quite a bit on this page.. let's just do the first bit here..
The Significance of Ellen White's Head Injury By by Molleurus Couperus, M.D., Adventist Currents, June 1985
An Editorial Introduction by Doug Hackleman, Editor
The attempt to understand Ellen G. White and her visions has taken many forms. Few are more interesting than the exhaustive research of Dr. Molleurus Couperus, retired physician and founding Editor of Spectrum magazine. Couperus' article, "The Significance of Ellen White's Head Injury" - termed "overkill" by one basically approving neurologist - is the author's effort to understand how Ellen White might honestly feel, believe, and claim that God was coming to her repeatedly in vision - even if it wasn't so.
The reasons why one might question Ellen White's claims are myriad, but one class of reason stands out. When Ellen White insisted she had seen something in vision, or said 'I was shown', or (most significant) purported to be quoting an angel, her guide, or Jesus Himself, and the very words are now found published in an earlier article or book, rational human beings may be forgiven for disbelieving her veracity.
But since Mrs. White is such an integral part of our Adventists roots, and since it is disconcerting to think of mother as mendacious, we look for mitigating circumstances or alternate explanations that might rescue her integrity.
The notion that a mild form of posttrauma seizure could explain both her "visions" and her personality foibles seems, therefore, attractive. Most neurologists agree that a missile-induced head injury such as the one that caused Ellen Harmon three weeks of coma followed by amnesia at age nine increases manifold the likelihood that she would develop subsequently some kind of seizure disorder.
While a neurological explanation for Ellen White's vision appears to have the potential to rescue her reputation as a truthful woman, it simultaneously seems to preclude supernatural explanations.
White Estate officials have repeatedly indicated their 'a priori' rejection of any naturalistic causes for Mrs. White's visions - having gone so far as to establish an Ellen G. White Health Committee from among the medical staff at Loma Linda University to pronounce the impossibility that any form of temporal lobe epilepsy could account for White's visionary experiences.
Because the thesis of Couperus' article will so scandalize many Seventh-day Adventists, it seems only fair to let the author make his best case - including all 210 references.
It is clear that wide disagreement remains among neurologists regarding what behaviors and personality traits should indicate a diagnosis of temporal lobe epilepsy. Three reputable, non-Adventist neurologists were asked to read the manuscript in draft form. Two of the three affirmed the scientific validity of Couperus' thesis and one did not. One positive previewer refused to go on record for practical reasons. The other was not asked to go on record because his earlier published research on the topic is cited substantially in the paper.
The previewer who doubted the author's concluding diagnosis is Dr. Thomas Babb, professor of Neurology in residence, UCLA.
So what's going on here.. this chick fell down when she was a youth and bumped her head? Wait, it says, I think age nine. Seems like they don't like to talk about this.. cause they might think it's "mental illness" instead of real shit, right. That's why there's no mention of this on the wiki page. But it's one of them.. so it's not bogus.
Got this pdf on my desktop.. gonna gradually check it out a bit a time, while eating meals. But can't just do only that one, have a couple others on the desktop. So, once in a while, I'll try to check out this whole book and see what their deal is.
This guy's going to hell.. lol..
https://old.reddit.com/r/burlington/comments/yaaze2/the_great_controversy/
Maybe that's why there was dinosaurs which were bigger too before that.
Looking around for this pdf, John Woodmorappe in his book “Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study”.
Got something here.. it's only 55 pages though,
https://njbiblescience.org/presentations/Noahs%20Ark%20-%20A%20Feasibility%20Study.pdf
Noah’s Ark – A Feasibility Study Interpreting Noah’s Ark and the Great Flood as real history Jason D. Browning October 2009
That doesn't say John Woodmorappe. It's interesting because you have a nut who built a fucking ark that was 1/5th the size. lol!
Johan Huibers Ark Netherlands One-fifth size
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan%27s_Ark
In the pdf they got pictures. It's like this tourist place on a dock. You go in and you see he's got full sized elephants and giraffes and you don't have much room around those areas. But I guess you just need 2. ok.. if you'd have an elephant on a boat for a year, it'd probably cause problems. However.. Bing AI tried to explain how oh they'd get them young.. and "god" would "sedate" them like in hibernation.
Hang on let's paste this text from the pdf.
Noah’s Ark – A Feasibility Study Interpreting Noah’s Ark and the Great Flood as real history Jason D. Browning October 2009 Johan Huibers Ark Netherlands One-fifth size
2 Peter 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this „coming‟ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 14 Overview The Book of Genesis describes how God destroyed the face of the earth through a year-long global flood, because of the “great wickedness” of the people Noah and his family survived, along with representative animals, on a large boat (the ark) Many regard this account as a myth, or as an exaggeration of an actual local flood event Could Noah’s ark have occurred as described? John Woodmorappe has performed a scientific study of the animal handling requirements of the ark and other issues and concludes that all potential problems have reasonable possible nonmiraculous solutions October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 15 Background “Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study” by John Woodmorappe, published in 1996 by the Institute for Creation Research Woodmorappe has a B.A. and M.A. in Geology, and a B.A. in Biology Also wrote book “Studies in Flood Geology” October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 16 Timelines of History Evolution Biblical Creationism Creation in 6 days Global flood Tower of Babel End times, new heaven and earth Christ on earth ??? Big Bang Earth forms First life First humans Universe dies of heat death Ice Age 7-20 billion years ago 4.6B ~3.5B 100,000 6-15,000 years ago ~5,000 ~4,500 2,000 Today October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 17 The Genesis Flood Described in Genesis chapters 6-9 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become 6:6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. 6:14 So make yourself an ark of cypress wood 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 6:19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 6:21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them. October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 18
• Noah had up to 100 years to plan and build • He was probably well off (blessed by God) • He could have hired help
October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 22 Ark Specifications Genesis 6:14-16: 437 feet long, 73 feet wide, 44 feet high Three decks A door in the side Ark “window” was continuous slot under the roof eaves, 18 inches high Made out of “gopher” wood (teak or other hardened wood) Sealed with “pitch” inside and out October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 23 October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 24 Feb 10: Noah, his family, animals enter the ark Feb 17: “All the springs of the great deep burst forth” and rain falls for 40 days and nights Water floods the earth for 150 days Jul 17: Ark comes to rest on the mountains of Ararat Waters recede steadily Oct 1: Tops of mountains become visible Nov 9: Noah sends raven - returns; 7 more days dove brings olive leaf; 7 more days dove doesn’t return (Nov 23) Jan 1: Water had dried up from the earth Feb 27: The earth was completely dry and ark unloads The Flood Events •The ark was big enough for many more people • Everyone was probably invited to enter
October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 30 Competing Views of the Geologic Column Evolution Flood Evolution of animals of increasing higher orders More mobile, smarter animals Pre-flood, flood boundary Simpler shaped Habitat zones •Various Land • Near-ocean • Ocean Common belief about fish fossil formation – dead fish sinks to bottom and is gradually covered by sediment The observed fact today – dead fish float and remains are quickly scavenged Fossil formation requires quick burial through a catastrophic event! Mud hardens to form the intact fossil
October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 36 Who Was on the Ark? Land mammals Land reptiles Terrestrial birds Dinosaurs Amphibians Some animals now extinct Eight people Representative animals from each genus, not species The genus is the smallest division of plants and animals that can be recognized without scientific study Up to 16,000 animals (maybe as few as 2,000) Large-sized were juveniles Median size = a small rat Only 11% larger than a sheep October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 37 Animal Space, Food, Water Needs Ark situation equivalent to intensive livestock confinement (not a zoo) Temporary captivity, need only to survive in reasonable health Animal housing: 46.8% of ark floor space 2.5 sq. meters for juvenile of largest animals Food: 6-12% of interior ark volume Compressed hay, dried fruit, meat, fish Water: 9.4% of ark volume Or could have collected rainwater October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 38 Waste Management 12 tons of wet excreta produced daily (12 cubic meters) - comparable to intensive poultry house Animal enclosures designed to minimize cleaning Sloped, non-bedded floors Slatted floors with manure pits Thick sanitary bedding with no excreta removal Manure gutters (animals can’t turn around) Use of biological pest control (ducks, cats, mongooses) Vermicomposting (use of earthworms to biodegrade manure)
October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 40 Ark Inventory by Mass Category Tons Empty Ark 4,000 Biomass at start 111 Biomass at end 411 Food at start 2,500 Water at start 4,070 Total needed 11,000 Cargo capacity 17,000 Spare mass 6,000 October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 41 Gathering of Animals Both Noah (Gen 6:19, 7:2) and God (Gen 6:20, 7:9, 7:15) were involved (reproduction of Figure 6 from book) Ark Tolerance to Wild Animals Captivity Filter Behavioral Filter Genetics Filter Noah’s Menagerie Divine Filter October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 42 Factors Lessening Difficulties of Gathering Animals Antediluvian world was much different (Possibly) Just one continent (Pangea) Warm climate throughout (probably not due to “vapor canopy”) Animals were more evenly distributed Animals did not fear humans (Gen 9:2) Animals were originally vegetarians (Gen 1:30) Migration instinct may have been introduced at this time (Gen 6:20) Hibernation instinct may have been introduced at this time October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 43 Other Alleged Ark Difficulties Building a large wooden vessel Care of the animals by eight people Animals that eat fresh or live food, or have special diets Animals that have differing climate needs Heat buildup in the ark Illumination in the ark Violent flood waters, large waves (tsunamis) October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 44 After the Flood (Possible) Breakup of the unified landmass during the flood (catastrophic plate tectonics) (Gen 7:11) Mountain ranges formed as plates collide Introduction of varying climates and seasons (Gen 8:22) People and animals given permission to eat meat (Gen 9:3) Introduction of hydrological cycle - possibly no rain prior to the flood (as there we no rainbows, Gen 9:12-14) An ice age caused by excess heat in the oceans and barren landmasses Drastic climate changes lead to extinction of the dinosaurs and many other animals October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 45 Catastrophic Plate Tectonics – One Pre-Flood Continent (Pangea) October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 46 Catastrophic Plate Tectonics Speeded-up version of standard plate tectonics The pre-flood ocean floor plates are forced below the continent plates Occurs in a catastrophic fashion due to the potential for thermal runaway in silicate rock (minerals that form over 90% of the earth’s crust) Began with the start of the flood Genesis 7:11 “on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth” Was largely completed by the end of the year-long flood October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 47 Plate Tectonics Illustration October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 48 CPT Modeling From www.globalflood.org After 15 days After 25 days October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 49 Ice Age – A Natural Result of the Flood Cooler land (stripped of vegetation) (snow-cover cooling) Much warmer ocean (fountains of the deep) (plate movement friction) Greater cloudiness (volcanic dust) From Oard, “An Ice Age Caused by the Genesis Flood” October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 50 Duration of the Ice Age “Fountains of the deep” break open Hot water gushes into oceans End of flood Waters drain off land Still warm from volcanic activity and plate movements More evaporation from the oceans = more snow and rain Ocean evaporates faster Much more snow & rain after the flood Snow over much larger area due to volcano dust blocking sun Land cooler due to volcano dust Snow does not melt in summer Eventually oceans cool and dust clears away Ice age is over 500 years to build up 200 years to melt back October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 53 Recovery After the Flood Survival of organisms outside the ark Water salinity stratification allowed some fresh, brackish, and salt-water fish to survive Large floating mats of vegetation Seeds buried and re-exhumed by erosion, or floated Food sources after the flood Plants, seaweed, fungi, carrion, fish, insects, earthworms, rodents Three months between first dry land and emergence of animals gives time for some plants to grow October 2009 NJBibleScience.org 54 Recovery After the Flood Repopulation of the world Animals migrated from Ararat Mountain landing: encouraged fragmentation of populations; offered varying ecological zones Genetic diversity and speciation Rapid post-flood speciation Modern examples of single-pair founders A single pair possesses most of the genetic diversity of the parent population Conclusions The flood is necessary to explain the geologic column There is historical and physical evidence that a global flood has occurred about 4,500 years ago World-wide flood traditions Early European written history back to Noah Population build-up statistics Sedimentary rock formations covering continent size regions Great fossil beds Interior mountains made of ocean bottom rocks It is feasible that a barge/ark could have been built to carry about 16,000 animals + food + water Only needed representatives of each genus, not species Median animal size = small rat Eight people could care for the animals Some animals in hibernation state Labor-saving housing systems God was involved of course, but continuous miracles were not necessary The history of the Bible can be trusted!
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You
how come people don't live to 600 these days?
Copilot
The long lifespans described in the Bible, such as Noah living to 950 years, are quite different from what we experience today. Several factors might explain this:
Genetic Changes: Early humans might have had genetic advantages that allowed for longer lifespans. Over generations, these advantages could have diminished12.
Environmental Factors: The environment before the flood described in the Bible might have been more conducive to long life. After the flood, changes in the environment, such as increased exposure to diseases and harsher living conditions, could have shortened lifespans12.
Diet and Lifestyle: Ancient diets and lifestyles might have been different, potentially contributing to longer lifespans. However, as societies evolved, changes in diet, lifestyle, and the advent of diseases could have impacted longevity12.
Divine Intervention: Some religious interpretations suggest that God initially allowed longer lifespans but later shortened them for various reasons, including the spread of sin and the need for a more manageable human population12.
Scientific Understanding: Modern science attributes aging to a combination of genetic, environmental, and lifestyle factors. Advances in medicine and technology have improved our understanding of aging, but we still face natural biological limits3.
It’s a fascinating topic that bridges ancient texts and modern science. If you have more questions or want to explore another topic, feel free to ask!
You
Seems like whenever they hit something that's "ridiculous" they just go.. oh god just did it.. like herding that many animals. But at least this timeline of making the boat, taking that many years.. that's not as ridiculous.
Copilot
I understand what you mean. Some aspects of the story, like the herding of animals, do rely heavily on divine intervention, which can be challenging to reconcile with modern perspectives. However, the timeline for building the Ark, spanning several decades, does seem more plausible from a practical standpoint.
It’s interesting how different parts of the story can be viewed through various lenses, blending faith, history, and practicality. If you have more questions or want to explore another topic, feel free to ask!
You
Seems like you had this god guy stepping in more back then. Doesn't seem to be doing that too much these days or somebody would film it with their phone.
Copilot
It’s an interesting observation! Many stories from ancient texts, like the Bible, describe direct divine interventions that are quite dramatic. These accounts often reflect the beliefs and experiences of people from those times.
Today, people might interpret divine intervention in more subtle ways, such as personal experiences, feelings of guidance, or moments of inspiration. The way we document and share experiences has also changed drastically with technology, like smartphones and social media.
It’s fascinating to see how perspectives on divine intervention have evolved over time. If you have more questions or want to explore another topic, feel free to ask!
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You
So you're saying they're "adventist". Let me check this super chart here with all the religions. ok I see these Jehovah witnesses they're not on the same branch as all these other guys that use this King James or the new one, eh. Oh wait.. it is coming from this whole protestant reformation. So similar as them. Seems to come from the baptists. Oh.. this is like those guys.. cause on that same side is those 7th day aventists. This whole religions branch thing is such a mess with these guys. Meanwhile, roman catholic you got just a tiny bit the whole time and that's it. All these other guys it's like oh they didn't like something and wanted to "sin" so they just start a new religion so they can do that, while pretending they're still "religious". Like all these sub group category branches are "outta hand" with how many they got going on. Then ya got the Jews.. it's kind of like roman catholic where it doesn't go all crazy with bunch of different sub branches.
Copilot
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It sounds like you’re finding the chart quite revealing! The history of religious movements can indeed be complex, especially within Christianity. Here’s a bit more context:
Protestant Reformation: This was a major movement in the 16th century that led to the creation of many new Christian denominations. It started as a reaction against certain practices and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church12.
Branches and Sub-branches: Over time, various groups within Protestantism have split off to form new denominations based on differing interpretations of scripture, governance, and practices. This is why you see so many branches and sub-branches on the chart12.
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh-day Adventists: Both of these groups emerged from the broader Protestant tradition but have distinct beliefs and practices. Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, reject the Trinity and emphasize the use of God’s name, Jehovah12. Seventh-day Adventists focus on the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday and have unique eschatological views12.
Roman Catholicism and Judaism: These traditions have remained more centralized, with fewer major splits compared to Protestantism. This centralization helps maintain more uniform beliefs and practices12.
Religious history is indeed intricate, and each group’s development reflects a unique response to theological, cultural, and historical factors.
If you have more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
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You
The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White.. 500 pages. What is the "great controversy", they're talking about?
Copilot
The “great controversy” in Ellen G. White’s book, The Great Controversy, refers to the ongoing battle between Jesus Christ and Satan. This conflict is depicted as a cosmic struggle between good and evil, spanning from the rebellion of Satan in heaven to the ultimate eradication of sin and the restoration of God’s kingdom on Earth12.
The book covers significant historical events, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Reformation, and the rise of the Advent movement, and it culminates with a detailed description of the end times. It also outlines key Seventh-day Adventist doctrines, including the heavenly sanctuary, the investigative judgment, and the state of the dead12.
If you have any specific questions about the book or its themes, feel free to ask!
You
A lot of these christian religions, they seem to focus mainly on the Jesus guy.. but his boss, Yahweh.. what does this 7th day aventist, that printed this "great controversy" book, have to say about Yahweh?
Copilot
Seventh-day Adventists believe in Yahweh as the eternal, all-powerful, and loving God who created the universe and continues to be actively involved in the world. They emphasize the importance of following God’s commandments, including observing the Sabbath on Saturday1.
Adventists view Yahweh as the same God who revealed Himself through Jesus Christ, and they believe that understanding and following His will is essential for salvation1. They use the name Yahweh in hymns and prayers, considering it a more authentic title for God2.
If you have more questions about their beliefs or practices, feel free to ask!
You
but they think Yahweh is what they keep just saying "god", right? That's who they mean?
Copilot
Yes, that’s correct! When Seventh-day Adventists refer to “God,” they are indeed talking about Yahweh. They believe Yahweh is the same God who is revealed in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments, and who is also manifested through Jesus Christ. So, when they use the term “God,” they are referring to Yahweh.
If you have any more questions about their beliefs or anything else, feel free to ask!
You
Betcha they don't even say Yahweh, even once in this 500 page book, eh?
Copilot
You’re right! In The Great Controversy, Ellen G. White primarily uses terms like “God,” “Lord,” and “Jehovah” rather than "Yahweh"12. The focus is on the broader themes of God’s law, the conflict between good and evil, and the ultimate triumph of God’s kingdom.
If you have any other questions or need more information, feel free to ask!
You
Tried this text analyzer bookmark I had. It handled the full input of text but in the results it just stopped instead of continuing. Looked around.. noticed chatgpt has a new feature where you can attach a file, so I attached the text paste of the book. Then I tried to get it to tell me how many times words were being used. It was doing a code window and was ok for a while but it can't keep going. Then I asked how many times it uses the word, Yahweh, in the code it said 4 times. But when I asked when it said it and what were the lines, it was bogus and didn't even say Yahweh.
So then I'm there.. nevermind that thing just use my notepad++ that has word and character counts info, compared to just notepad. Did a word search for yahweh, then "count" and it's 0 like you said. Let me test you.. how many times does this book say Jehovah.
Copilot
In The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White, the term “Jehovah” is used several times. While I don’t have the exact count, the book does reference “Jehovah” in various contexts, particularly when discussing God’s law and His authority12.
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
You
Chatgpt said Jehovah is mentioned only 20 times. Using notepad++, then count for word.. it says 29 times. So this chatgpt stinks, closing window. Let me check how many times it said they used the word Jesus. 981, notepad++ says 228. So this chatgpt there.. it stinks so bad, with inaccurate information.
Copilot
It sounds like you’ve had quite the experience with different tools! It’s great that you were able to use Notepad++ to get accurate counts. Based on your findings, “Jehovah” is mentioned 29 times and “Jesus” 228 times in The Great Controversy.
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!
You
I guess only saying Jesus 228 times isn't too bad, considering it's talking a lot about "Bible" verses, whichever bible they use. Like which version is she even using for this book?
Copilot
Ellen G. White primarily used the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible in her writings, including The Great Controversy1. However, she occasionally referenced other English translations that were available during her time12.
If you have any other questions or need more information, feel free to ask!
You
In this pdf version of the book, whenever there's a verse, it's a blue link and the site goes to egwwritings.org. So at least it's kind of like official.
So.. you're saying she used this KJV version, eh.. what denominations also use that
Copilot
Yes, Ellen G. White primarily used the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible in her writings. Several Christian denominations also use the KJV, including:
Baptists
Pentecostals
Episcopalians
Presbyterians
Latter-day Saints (Mormons)123
These denominations appreciate the KJV for its literary quality and historical significance. If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
And these are all sub branches of what denomination?
Copilot
The denominations you mentioned—Baptists, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Latter-day Saints—are all part of the broader Protestant branch of Christianity12. Protestantism itself emerged from the Reformation in the 16th century, which was a movement against certain practices and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church23.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
So it's all this "protestant" stuff, eh.
This King James version.. they did an "update" in 1979?
Copilot
Yes, the King James Version (KJV) was updated in 1979 with the release of the New King James Version (NKJV)12. The NKJV aimed to preserve the original KJV’s literary beauty while updating its language for modern readers. The New Testament was published in 1979, the Book of Psalms in 1980, and the entire Bible in 198212.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
So any religious organization that uses this NKJV, must be "protestant", like these other ones you mentioned
Copilot
While the New King James Version (NKJV) is predominantly used by Protestant denominations, it’s not exclusively limited to them. Many Protestant groups, such as Baptists, Pentecostals, and Presbyterians, do use the NKJV12. However, some non-Protestant groups might also use it for its readability and modern language.
If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!
You
Yeah but you just said earlier that it's based off this whole "protestant" branch, all these sub branch religions that used the King James version.. and then these later ones that claim they don't have any denomination, yet use the new King James type. That's definitely this "protestant" type of religion.. compared to like roman catholic or something.
Copilot
You’re right! The King James Version (KJV) and its update, the New King James Version (NKJV), are indeed rooted in the Protestant tradition. Many denominations that use these versions are part of the broader Protestant branch of Christianity.
While some groups might claim to be non-denominational, their use of the NKJV often aligns them more closely with Protestant beliefs and practices. This is in contrast to Roman Catholicism, which typically uses versions like the Douay-Rheims Bible or the New American Bible.
If you have any more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
You
so how come in this "great controversy" book.. she doesn't use the word Yahweh, even once. Do these protestants have a beef with Yahweh?
Copilot
The absence of the word “Yahweh” in The Great Controversy and many other Protestant writings is largely due to historical and linguistic reasons rather than any specific “beef” with the name. Here are a few key points:
Sacredness of the Name: Historically, the name “Yahweh” was considered so sacred by the Jewish people that they avoided pronouncing it aloud. Instead, they used terms like “Adonai” (Lord) or “Elohim” (God) when reading scriptures12.
Translation Practices: The King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, which Ellen G. White primarily used, often substitutes “Yahweh” with “LORD” or “Jehovah.” This practice carried over into many Protestant traditions12.
Cultural and Theological Norms: Over time, the use of “Lord” or “God” became more common in Christian writings and hymns, including those by Ellen G. White. This was partly to maintain continuity with traditional Christian language and partly due to the influence of the KJV12.
So, it’s more about tradition and reverence than any opposition to the name “Yahweh.”
If you have any more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
You
They did use the word Jehovah, 29 times. Who's Jehovah.. that's not Yahweh, is it?
Copilot
“Jehovah” and “Yahweh” are actually different representations of the same name for God. Here’s a bit more detail:
Yahweh: This is considered the more accurate transliteration of the Hebrew name for God, represented by the Tetragrammaton YHWH. It reflects the original pronunciation more closely12.
Jehovah: This form emerged from combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels of “Adonai” (another name for God meaning “Lord”). This practice was adopted by medieval Christian scholars12. While “Jehovah” is less accurate linguistically, it became widely used in English translations of the Bible12.
So, both “Jehovah” and “Yahweh” refer to the same deity, the God of the Bible, but “Yahweh” is closer to the original Hebrew pronunciation.
If you have any more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!
You
What about these Jehovah witness guys.. what's their deal.. they seem more into the Jehovah and they knock at your door, trying to recruit people to join and they make money that way, eh.
Copilot
Jehovah’s Witnesses are known for their distinctive beliefs and practices, which include door-to-door evangelism. Here are some key points about them:
Beliefs: They believe in Jehovah as the one true God and reject the Trinity doctrine. They view Jesus Christ as God’s agent for salvation but not as Almighty God12.
Evangelism: They are well-known for their door-to-door ministry, which they see as a way to spread their faith and fulfill Jesus’ command to preach the gospel12.
Scripture: They use their own translation of the Bible, the New World Translation, and emphasize the importance of using God’s name, Jehovah12.
Practices: They do not celebrate holidays or birthdays, which they believe have pagan origins. They also refuse blood transfusions based on their interpretation of biblical texts12.
Organization: Jehovah’s Witnesses are organized under the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. They do not make money from their evangelism efforts; instead, their activities are funded by voluntary donations from members12.
Their door-to-door approach is part of their commitment to sharing their beliefs with others. If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
You
Wait, what.. they reject the trinity doctrine? What's that all about?
Copilot
Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity doctrine, which is the belief in one God in three persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Here are some key reasons for their stance:
Biblical Interpretation: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Bible does not support the concept of the Trinity. They interpret scriptures to mean that Jesus is a created being, not equal to God, and that the Holy Spirit is God’s active force, not a person12.
Historical Development: They argue that the Trinity doctrine was not part of early Christian teachings and was only formalized in the 4th century at the Council of Nicaea23.
Rationality: Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the idea of one God in three persons is illogical and cannot be explained by human reason3.
Focus on Monotheism: They emphasize strict monotheism, believing that worship should be directed to Jehovah alone23. These beliefs set them apart from mainstream Christian denominations that accept the Trinity.
If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
You
These Johavah witnesses there.. when did this start and why. Must be some sub branch of some religion.. betcha it's this protestant stuff like all these others.
Copilot
Jehovah’s Witnesses originated in the late 19th century as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which was led by Charles Taze Russell12. This movement developed within the larger Adventist movement in the United States2. Here are some key points about their origins:
Charles Taze Russell: He founded the International Bible Students Association in 1872 and later the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society in 188112.
Adventist Influence: The movement was influenced by Adventist teachings, particularly those of William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ2.
Name Change: In 1931, under the leadership of Joseph Franklin Rutherford, the group adopted the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to emphasize their belief in Jehovah as the true God12.
While Jehovah’s Witnesses have roots in the Adventist movement, they are distinct in their beliefs and practices, particularly their rejection of the Trinity and their unique eschatology.
If you have more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!
Talking to bing AI.. check it out how it shuts 'er down when I ask about this chick who wrote the book and like come on.. that's not "prophecy" like the guy in this pastor vid who, 4 months ago talked about Trump getting grazed in the right ear during a rally. It shuts er down. Her shit is not very "prophet", like that dude, ok.
You
"the great controversy" book.. got a free 500 page book in the snail mail box and wasn't addressed. Looked into it and seems to happen to a lot of people. Who's sending these out. Seems like it was written by a lady in the early 1900's. What "denomination" is this "religion"?
Copilot
It sounds like you received a copy of “The Great Controversy” by Ellen G. White. This book is often distributed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian denomination that Ellen G. White co-founded12.
The mass distribution of this book is part of a large-scale evangelistic effort by the church. Organizations like Remnant Publications, based in Michigan, are known for sending out these books to various locations across the United States and beyond34. The aim is to share their religious beliefs and provide information about the perceived ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil35.
Did you find the book interesting or have any specific thoughts about it?
You
Oh I'm in Canada and it seems US based, the content.
Copilot
Yes, the distribution efforts for “The Great Controversy” are quite extensive and often originate from the United States. However, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a global presence, including in Canada, which is why you might have received the book there.
Have you had a chance to read any of it yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
You
What's the deal with these "Seventh-day Adventist". I have this super chart of all the "denominations" and where they come from. Let me upload that so you get an idea of all the religions and these sub-groups. Where does this "Seventh-day Adventist", fit in.
Copilot
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Thanks for sharing the chart! The Seventh-day Adventist Church is part of the Protestant Christian tradition. According to your chart, it branches off from the Millerite movement around 1844. This movement was led by William Miller, who predicted the Second Coming of Christ during that period12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church was officially founded in 1863 and emphasizes the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday (the seventh day of the week) and the imminent Second Coming of Jesus Christ13. It has grown into a global denomination with a significant presence in many countries, including Canada.
Does this help clarify where the Seventh-day Adventist Church fits within the broader context of Christian denominations?
You
ok, so when somebody branches off, it's because they didn't like something of the parent religion, right. So what's the deal here with these "Seventh-day Adventist" guys. Was something they didn't like and went, we'll start our own thing.
Copilot
Yes, when a group branches off from a parent religion, it’s often due to disagreements or different interpretations of beliefs and practices. In the case of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the split from the Millerite movement was primarily due to the aftermath of the Great Disappointment on October 22, 1844. This was the date when William Miller and his followers expected the Second Coming of Christ, which did not occur12.
Here are some key reasons for the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church:
Interpretation of the Great Disappointment: After the predicted date passed without incident, the Millerite movement fractured. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others sought to understand why the prophecy seemed to fail. A group concluded that the date was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They believed that Christ had entered a heavenly sanctuary to begin a new phase of his ministry rather than returning to Earth12.
Sabbath Observance: Another significant factor was the emphasis on observing the Sabbath on Saturday, the seventh day of the week, instead of Sunday. This belief was adopted from the teachings of Joseph Bates, a former sea captain and early Adventist leader34.
Health and Lifestyle: The Seventh-day Adventists also developed distinctive health and lifestyle practices, including dietary reforms and the establishment of health institutions. Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a crucial role in promoting these principles34.
Prophetic Guidance: Ellen G. White’s visions and writings provided a unifying and guiding influence for the early Adventists. Her works are still highly regarded within the denomination34.
These differences in interpretation and practice led to the establishment of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1863, which has since grown into a global denomination with a unique set of beliefs and practices.
Does this help clarify their origins and distinct beliefs?
You
hang on.. so there was some "prophecy" that somebody said, like a specific date, or something and it didn't happen?
Copilot
Yes, that’s correct. The “Great Disappointment” refers to the event on October 22, 1844, when followers of William Miller, known as Millerites, expected the Second Coming of Jesus Christ based on Miller’s interpretation of biblical prophecy12. Miller had calculated this date using the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. He interpreted these days as years, starting from 457 B.C., leading to 184412.
When Jesus did not return as expected, it led to widespread disappointment and disillusionment among the Millerites12. This event is known as the Great Disappointment. Some followers abandoned the movement, while others reinterpreted the prophecy, believing that instead of Jesus returning to Earth, He had begun a new phase of His heavenly ministry12.
This reinterpretation eventually led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which holds that the prophecy marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary12.
Does this help clarify the background of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Great Disappointment?
You
Never heard of this.. seems odd that somebody would try to get some sort of date from who knows what. Like seems a ways back.. why'd he start at 457 BC.
Copilot
William Miller used a method called the year-day principle to interpret biblical prophecies, where one prophetic day is understood to represent one year. He focused on the prophecy in Daniel 8:14, which mentions a period of 2,300 days. Miller believed these days represented years12.
The starting point of 457 B.C. comes from the decree issued by Artaxerxes I of Persia to rebuild Jerusalem, as recorded in the Bible (Ezra 7:7-8). This decree was significant because it marked the beginning of the restoration of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile31. By adding 2,300 years to 457 B.C., Miller calculated that the period would end around 1843-184412.
This method and interpretation were part of Miller’s intensive study of the Bible, where he aimed to let the scriptures explain themselves by comparing different passages12.
Does this help clarify why Miller chose 457 B.C. as the starting point for his calculations?
You
So these "Seventh-day Adventist", after that happened, they went.. what?
Copilot
After the Great Disappointment, the Millerite movement splintered into several groups. Those who continued to believe in the prophecy sought to understand why the expected event did not occur. Here’s what happened next:
Reinterpretation of the Prophecy: A group of Millerites, including Hiram Edson, came to believe that the prophecy was correct but that the event was misunderstood. They concluded that October 22, 1844, marked the beginning of Jesus’ final work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary, rather than His return to Earth12.
Formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church: This reinterpretation led to the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The church was officially established in 1863, with a focus on the imminent Second Coming of Christ, the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, and health and lifestyle reforms12.
Ellen G. White’s Influence: Ellen G. White, one of the church’s founders, played a significant role in shaping the beliefs and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church through her visions and writings12.
Growth and Expansion: The church grew rapidly, establishing schools, hospitals, and publishing houses. It became known for its emphasis on education, health, and missionary work12.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church has since become a global denomination with millions of members worldwide, continuing to emphasize its core beliefs and mission.
Does this help clarify what happened after the Great Disappointment and how the Seventh-day Adventist Church was formed?
You
oh I'm trying to do some research on what the deal is with this free book, eh. And earlier the first pages, talks about her.. it says..
"About the Author Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated American author, her works having been published in more than 160 languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
That's a lot of "writing" back in those days before a typewriter. Was she channeling like some who knows what, like the Ra material, or something?
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Ellen G. White’s prolific writing was indeed remarkable, especially considering the era she lived in. She attributed her writings to divine inspiration, believing she was guided by the Holy Spirit. Her works cover a wide range of topics, including theology, health, education, and practical Christian living12.
White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she then documented. These experiences were central to her role as a prophetess within the Seventh-day Adventist Church12. Unlike channeling, which often involves communicating with spirits or other entities, White’s visions were understood by her and her followers as direct communications from God12.
Her writings were meticulously transcribed and edited by herself and her assistants, ensuring they were clear and accessible. This extensive body of work has had a lasting impact on the Seventh-day Adventist Church and its teachings12.
Does this help clarify her writing process and how she produced such a vast amount of work?
You
Oh, so she's not channeling it, like the Ra material book?
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That’s correct. Ellen G. White’s writings are considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, but not in the same way as channeling, like the Ra material. The Ra material, which is a series of books purportedly channeled by a group of entities known as Ra, involves a medium receiving messages from these entities12.
In contrast, Ellen G. White’s process involved receiving visions and dreams, which she believed were direct communications from God. She then documented these experiences and insights, which were later transcribed and edited12. Her followers view her writings as divinely inspired but always subordinate to the Bible12.
So, while both involve receiving information from a higher source, the nature and context of the inspiration are quite different.
Does this help clarify the distinction between Ellen G. White’s writings and the Ra material?
You
what kind of visions did she have?
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Ellen G. White had numerous visions throughout her life, which she believed were divine revelations. Here are some notable types of visions she experienced:
Doctrinal Visions: Many of her early visions helped shape the doctrinal framework of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. For example, her first vision in December 1844 reassured the early Adventists about their faith after the Great Disappointment1.
Health and Lifestyle: In 1863, she had a significant vision about health reform, which led to the church’s emphasis on healthy living, diet, and the establishment of health institutions1.
Educational Visions: She also had visions that guided the church in establishing educational institutions, promoting a holistic approach to education that included physical, mental, and spiritual development1.
Prophetic and Apocalyptic Visions: Some of her visions dealt with future events and the end times, emphasizing the imminent Second Coming of Christ and the importance of being prepared1.
Practical Christian Living: Many of her visions provided guidance on practical aspects of Christian living, such as family life, personal conduct, and community service1.
These visions were central to her role as a prophetess and had a profound impact on the development and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Does this give you a better understanding of the types of visions she had?
You
did she do any of this "prophecy" stuff.. where she said specific things, within her timeframe.. or could be after she died, right.. like specific things, not vague and they later happened?
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Yes, Ellen G. White made several specific prophecies, some of which were fulfilled during her lifetime, while others were fulfilled after her death. Here are a few notable examples:
The Civil War: Ellen White predicted the outbreak of the American Civil War and its devastating impact. In 1861, she wrote about the impending conflict and the suffering it would bring1.
The Great Chicago Fire: She warned about the destruction of large cities by fire. In 1871, the Great Chicago Fire occurred, which many Adventists believe fulfilled her prophecy1.
Modern Spiritualism: She predicted the rise and spread of modern spiritualism, which became more prominent in the late 19th and early 20th centuries2.
Health and Lifestyle: Her health reform visions led to the establishment of health institutions and the promotion of a vegetarian diet, which have been validated by modern science1.
While some of her prophecies were specific and fulfilled, others were more general and open to interpretation. It’s important to note that her primary role was not as a predictor of future events but as a spiritual guide and reformer12.
Does this help clarify her role as a prophet and the nature of her prophecies?
You
Doesn't seem very "prophet".. like come on.. think of this guy the other day, where 4 months ago he specifically says that Trump would get grazed in the right ear during a rally and it's on youtube with the upload date.
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This is pretty odd here.. how, out of the blue, I get this book lately. I just scrolled down the pdf in the middle, glancing around. I'm there.. this is the same shit, same pile as this pastor "prophet" shit, I was researching this week. It's these same guys. And for whatever reason, these fools who distribute this free book, feel like they gotta totally ramp it up these days and try to get their shit out there. Same fucking camp as those guys in that trump prophet video, where he "predicted" he'd get his right ear grazed in a rally. Like what the fuck is this shit here, in this book. What are they trying to get you to do. What's their "agenda".
Like what fuckin bible are they using in here.. cause it wasn't that shenanigan 1979 one. Lemme ask Bing AI what "denomination" this shit is.
Gonna do this in another comment. Lots of text.
Gonna take a look at this shit by pdf instead. Looked around for it. Not sure if it's the same thing.
https://media2.egwwritings.org/pdf/en_GC.pdf
Go through this shit while eating meals. Apparently it's this chick that wrote it.
"About the Author Ellen G. White (1827-1915) is considered the most widely translated American author, her works having been published in more than 160 languages. She wrote more than 100,000 pages on a wide variety of spiritual and practical topics. Guided by the Holy Spirit, she exalted Jesus and pointed to the Scriptures as the basis of one’s faith."
oh, ok.. that makes sense how it wasn't the shot that hit his ear. Case closed.
ok what do you have here with prophecies like this one, where it was stated in advance, then happened. Specific things like this guy talking about how he'd get his right ear grazed. ok..
who is this goyim.. noticed you only joined 26 days ago. I been around here for several years. So explain what you said..
"Remember every one -- there IS a block button. Use it generously."
Plus explain your username..
"pkvi_apostate"
What does that even mean.. what is a pkvi? Lemme look it up.. lol..
searching for that, google says:
Did you mean: kpvi
pki
pkv
pkvhi
So what even means, "pkvi".
Next in your username.. what does, "apostate", mean.
"a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle. "after fifty years as an apostate he returned to the faith"
I think this, lol.. "fellow", might have a bit of a beef with my research in recent seasons.. where.. I know something's going on with religion, see the gnostic stuff. I researched that for seasons, during lunch breaks, reading. That's more like how things got going, eh.
Then I read the "ra material" during lunch breaks.. that was good. Channeled book. You fit in whatever somebody says, with puzzle pieces.
What kind of puzzle pieces does this, "pkvi_apostate", have? If somebody thinks "religion" is "bullshit".. well.. all I gotta say is look at the cabal and luciferian stuff. How come they're all into that. It's because they do black magic, where they sacrifice people like the aztecs, then you get supernatural things going on like in the horror movies. Then you'll believe, right.
Now.. this "pkvi" guy.. does he even know how the world operates.. let me check his username history to see what he's into.
I think he's suggesting to others, to "block", all my future content. ok
Must be because he thinks, anything I'll research later, will be "garbage" and "useless" and zero value.
ok well let's track this guy down.. lemme fire off something and we'll talk to him in person tomorrow. Maybe that 'll wake him up. Ta-ta for now.