The point of debate was did Russia caused ethnic cleansing in Ukraine. Look at that, they actually did.
Jesus.
There was not such etnicity as "Ukrainian" and still it does not exist. You just can't create a new etnicity just in few generations, even if you will try hard.
Jews have nothing common with Russians and Russia.
It was Jewish Trotskists that created famine in Russia and perpetuated ethnic cleansing of Russians in Russia.
I am not believing lies. I am gauging the probability.
And after such statements you are talking about gauging probabilities. What is the point or use of gauging probabilities of the things you have absolutely no idea about?
Russia aren't launching an offensive there soon.
Just like Ukraine. Russian authorities don't want, Ukrainian authorities can't.
So it is either an accidental consequences of previous Ukraine shelling, either it is Ukrainian revenge toward hated Russian population for humiliating elimination of weapons and manpower of Ukraine by Russian forces and so inability to demonstrate any kind of offensive to Ukraine's Western masters.
Of course you could count probabilites of alien UFO strike or Putin doing evil things because he is evil, or Kakhovka Nessy trying to break into Black Sea, but I don't see how they could be noticeably different from zero.
There was no ethnic cleansing when a dam burst.
It was destroying of Russian property, and that is exactly what I wrote.
Russia did its own ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, a few decades ago. Holdomor.
You know absolutely nothing about Holodomor.
So-called "holodomor" war a severe famine created by bolshevik Jews who was in charge of USSR at the time in 1932-1933. Famine covered mostly Soutth-West part of USSR from Dnepr to Ural mountains. Most severe famine and most casualities was in Volga areas not on Ukraine. Famine was ended as soon as Stalin completely take over Trotskists in USSR government and partialy reverted shit Jews passed as laws that was the reason for famine.
In no way so called "Holodomor" is Ukrainian thing, Ukrainians was the least suffered people in that disaster among covered regions. In no way Russians are guilty in that disaster because it was created by Jews and forced by Jewish so-called provision squadrons formed mostly from Jews from regions of Pale of Settlements headed by Polish origin Jew Tukhachevsky who was evetually arrested and shot by Stalin order. Politically that shit was pushed by Lituanian Jew Vareikis, also exterminated by Stalin later.
How did you ever get to that complete bullshit about "Ukrainian Holodomor" hoax at all, being so careful about objectivity and anticipating to the propaganda?
There was no such thing as "Ukrainian Holodomor" at all because Ukraine as Ukrainian SSR (without modern Western Ukraine and Crimea) just appeared to existence first time in history just decade before the famine and most of those who suffered from it considered themselves as Malorussians or Russians. It was just after the so called "Ukrainization" of 1929-1930 forced by same Jews who perpetrated USSR famine. only 2 years before the famine children of Ukrainian SSR was teached that there exist Ukrainian language and it is just began teached in schools of Ukrainian SSR.
Do you understand, that at the time of 1932-33 famine there was no any Ukrainians as etnicity at all? Do you understand, that most severe famine in 1932-33 was in Russian regions, not those that now accounted as Ukrainian? Do you understand, that largest part of Ukrainian SSR that suffered from famine is Russian regions of modern Ukraine and most are voted to join Russia already? Do you understand, that ancestors of those Western Ukrainians who whine today about "Holodomor" just wasnt there at the time of famine, because their regions was parts of Poland, Romania and Hungary? Do you understand that it is Jews whose ancestors perpetrated that famine over Russian people from Dnepr to Ural created that blatant lie about "Holodomor" as "Russians take the food from Ukrainians"?
Are you kidding me? Why the fuck I even have to explain that things to the user of conspiracy.win at all? Or may be you believe in Holocaust bullshit with that 6M Jews too? Or somehow Jewish lies about Holocaust have to be questioned, but same lies of same Jews about Russians and Ukrainians should not?
Really, it is very sad that somehow your critical thinking suddenly switch off completely, when things touch anything about Russia. It is interesting phenomena, however, and a clear proof that severe indoctrination of West population to false narratives began much earlier than many think.
Whatever, if you feel yourself more comfortable beliving in the blatant lies about a country on the other side of globe that was told to you buy exactly same persons who lied to you all way long about nearly everything, go ahead, I don't see any sense to try to change your mind. It is like trying to convince left kid from modern European school that "trans people" are just mentally ill, exactly like Napoleons contained in mental facility.
Yes. Perhaps. But that's not an objective. It's speculation based on opposing propaganda.
Since when objective ethnic distribution become non-objective propaganda?
Ukraine will still be there no matter any changes by whom and what.
There was no any Ukraine just 100 years ago, and it existet only as administrative region of USSR 70 years from that 100 years. What makes you think that Ukraine will still be there? Yugoslavia is not there, Chechoslovakia is not there, Austro-Hungary is not there, even USSR is not there. Ukraine is a LARP state created on a wreckage of USSR and immidiately submited by the West to become pure anti-Russia. Country build purely on the idea of being anti-another_country can't survive for a long. Because it have absolutely nothing to hold it together and move it forward.
With high probability there will be no any Ukraine in 10 years or even less, regardless of how things with that pseudo-war will develop.
What is not an objective, but speculation based on propaganda - it is Ukraine state existence.
The dam bursting didn't genocide the rest of the Ukraine. It expanded a waterway that was previously dammed. Why? It's not because of joos migrating.
Dam bursting didn't change anything, really. Just destroyed property of Russian population, that's all. No any difference from constant Donetsk and Lugansk regions shelling or shelling of small villages in Belgorod or Kursk regions.
Within a week water level below the dam will retrun to the norm, the level in Kakhovka resevour will be 2-3 meters lower, and that's all. The only result will be the destroyed property of Russain people that will be restored for Russians tax money and may be some dead Russian civilians who didn't evacuated from flood area.
IDk, if you want to believe in that stupid MSM narrative about great Ukrainian offensive or whatever - go ahead, but that does not make things anyhow different. Even you believe that it is possible, dam busting changing absolutely nothing for the result of that offensive, just because flooded region is too tough for Ukrainian/NATO military regardless of the flood. They couldn't do anything before, they can't do anything after. No any difference.
It is finding the reason. Objectively. Not listening to bleeding hearts propaganda. Trust no one.
If you need a reason, just find out what etnicity populate flooded region. It is a perfectly valid reason for creating such a disaster for those who are indoctrinated or have a dream to exterminate that etnicity and never hid that intention ever.
I'm just thinking about solving the problem you put on the table with your question.
What is our benefint of having the answer to your question? OK, say, we figure out that it will be a feminist who will ride over trans activists who will attack her car. So what is the use of that knowledge for us? Even knowledge that they will undoubtedly do something is much more useful than that. That is not a details that are useful. Useful details are - how they will do that, what exactly they use to do that, who exactly will pay for it and so on.
The main problem is not with what they could do, the problem is that they could do it in principle.
To solve the problem in your question we need a way to prevent or mitigate the method they will use, regardless of exact event they will use as a kickstart.
People with cameras going around to unbusy hospitals is also what broke the spell of the panic.
Then why larger part of population fall to vaccinehoax?
If their attempt was succesfull, then there wouldn't have been any lockdowns, masks, vaccine and so on compliance and coronahoax psyop would heve been curtailed at the beginning.
Really, all they achieved is only additional proof of hoax for those who already understood that this is a hoax. It is a good and useful thing, but it is in no way success.
There is also interesting, but very sad thing happened. Those who got that censorship in social networks is real and have an enormous scale, did completely insane thing - they turn to exacly same centralized and controlled Telegram, instead of moving to really independent and uncontrolled things like i2p, tox or whatever. There was interesting method used to do that trick, but that's another story.
Wistleblower who does not reveal any new and specific information that was previously unknown is not a wistleblower at all.
So, your question is senseless, since it is based on false assumption.
I'm talking about technology, not goals of its use.
"People with cameras in pocket" are easily mitigated and their information succesfully suppressed by means of MSM silence and social networks censorship and bots activity.
There is many ways how that technology could be overcame, but people who trying to resist don't even want to hear anything on that matter, continuing to hopelessly lose time in enemy controlled centralized social shit.
If you are still interested in breadcrumbs about who is behind dam destruction:
George Soros himself in https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/can-democracy-survive-polycrisis-artificial-intelligence-climate-change-ukraine-war-by-george-soros-2023-06
I believe the counterattack will be successful. The target will be the Crimean Peninsula, the home base of the Russian Navy. By destroying the already damaged land bridge with Russia, Ukraine could turn a strategic asset into a strategic liability, because Crimea has no water. With the land bridge destroyed, Crimea will depend on Ukraine for water.
Soros think that Crimea still completely depend on water from Kakhovka reservoir and cutting of water supply from Dnepr will make Crimea fully dependent on Ukraine will.
It is completely irrelevant if what that bastards believe real or not. Improtant thing is that they believe in their own "reality", and base their actions on that beliefs.
One of their top frontmans just confirmed his masters believe that water supply from Dnepr is crucial for Crimea, so it is reasonable to assume that they have that belief as starting point for their plans and actions.
Do you remember what happened with #EmptyHospitals? Thousands of that "people with video cameras in pockets" was just completely ignored and banned and major population was convinced that there was a medical disaster, overcrowded hospitals and huge number of "infected".
Fled pergfectly.
Any kind of citizen discontent could be turned by MSM into a picture of severe threat to the "freedom" and "democracy" that needs tough measures to save "freedom" and "democracy" and guarantee "safety".
Unfortunately they have some success in so-called "creating reality". In the absence of any serious means to couteract MSM creating needed "reality", average citizen have no real means and, unfortunately any desire to find out how things going in reality. Independent journalism and personal information exchange is a very small part of moder information flow.
In the case of such campaign, only small number of locals and tiny amount of those who will bother to find out what really happened will know the truth. Vast majority of population will accept the narrative without questions.
I think MSM and social media could easily create "reality" even out of absoultely nothing. I see no any problems for them in creating a story about something that happened in a non-existing town and most will just swallow that. Things will become worse when politicians will pass something legislative about that non-existing event in non-existing town, and that will be used to prosecute those who will question town existence, since if it is in official papers it is definitely "exist" and event definitely "happen".
Is this the Russian held town that had the hydro powerstation that was submerged?
Yes.
Is this where it is lowering from the original torrenting cascade?
Yes, lower part of town.
Explanation, because the river is expanding into the floodplains and estuaries going out to sea.
Yes. and because level of upstream reservoir behind the dam lowered below main destruction, so the cross-section of the stream become smaller, so the water began to flow to the sea faster than it arrives from the breach.
Although won't it be some time before becoming inhabitable
Water level will come back to norm even if breach still be unrepaired. Dam itself hold most volume in reservoir, only water that was above breach streamed out.
So no land will become inhabitable. Most destruction and flood is from the giant initial wave. Hopefully it will pass eventually.
Water levels lowering where.
Right after the dam. In Novaya Kakhovka that was flooded first. That means level in reservouir above dum fall to the level where destruction of gates not so severe, so the stream become smaller. It also means that level in reservouir above dam will not continue to fall at an initial rate just after gates destruction.
It has increased.
The flood moving toward Golaya Pristan where flooding began recently.
aforementioned bridge subjected to constant Ukrainian strikes until changing hands, now viceversa. It was blown up on Russian retreat of Kherson?
Yes, it was. It was already unuseable during retreat and there was no time to fix it so we use pontones to withdraw, then blow the bridge completely to completely cut the way for offence of the enemy.
However there are questions of how the water level is affected upstream? If the reservoir drains, is it easier to cross upstream as water rushes downstream.
Locals from Kakhovka down the dum tell that water level already lowering, so no any significant changes of water level higher than dum awaited if something else did not broke. Total level fall is near 2.5 meters for now, but reservouir have steep banks, so width stays hearly the same.
And in every event the battlefield adjusts, reshaping. Forced to change tactics, and reposition in light of the new geography that won't be dammed again in conflict.
In usual war. This war is in no way usual.
Why would any Ukrainian actually fight against their Russian brothers?
Russians are definitely not saints and in a long history of Russia there was a lot of internecines, just like in history of any more or less adult nation.
There is another puzzle for you. Ukraine (Malorossia at the time) was a Pale of Settlement for Jews in Russian Empire. So there was a lot of jews with all consequences, including higher than usual level of anticipation to the Jews in Malorossia. Pogroms you heard a lot about, was mostly Malorossia problem in Russian Empire. So, from many nations of Russian Empire and later USSR Ukrainians probably was the most "antisemitic" nation. Ukrainians, especialy Western ones traditionally heavily compete with their Jewish neighbours even in their everyday life. There is even a proverb "There is nothing to do for a Jew where Khohol passed by".
So, how comes out, that Ukrainian population voted for the clear Jew for the president or did absolutely nothing to remove him in case of rigged elections? It is much more strange than everything you could find. Looks like there was some outstanding brainwashing at the level nobody ever seen before.
Yes, there was that comedy series on TV with Zelensky in role of clown-protagonist who suddenly becomes president of Ukraine (with many interesting revelations, really). It was kind of popular in Ukraine, but more because of lulz and one of them was that a Jew become president of Ukraine. And then, suddenly Zelensky creates a political party that named exactly like that series and become Ukrainian president in reality. It is not even "Tucker Carlson for president!", it is like IDK, Woody Allen really become US president. (Yes, yes, I know about Reagan, but he was not clown, but actor who did heroic roles, and AFAIK was proposed by existing political party and previously had governor expirience).
It is just impossible that average Khohol will just accept clear Jew as his ruler.
Yes they have settlements on them, some are large enough to host troops and equipment. Now ironically submerged.
That islands are nearly flat and any troops there will be a perfect targets. Trenches could not be made because there is ground water a meter below surface, not even talking about swamped islands. I perfectyl know that area, I was on every island personally in 80-s, and AFAIK Ukraine didn't do anything to rise and develop swampy islands, even the settlements didn't change a lot, if google/yandex satellite maps do not lie. It will be just suicidal to place troops on that islands.
As for the dam blow Ukrainian commanders have that plans earlier - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/
Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.
But it seems (as by locals reports) that this time there was no any explosions or strikes, at least from artillery or MLRS, and gates damaged by earlier Ukrainian strikes that Kovalchuk told about just broke finally and rapid water flow destroyed other gates.
Because Ukraine have reportedly crossed, who know where
Tried to cross, multiple times, always without any success. Obviously Russian forces perfectly know where.
In the last days there was no any unusually high activity, so there is no difference at all.
but they were occupied on the central Islands now flooded and submerged.
I was on that islands many times in my childhood for fishing (have a relatives there), they are mostly swamps, only two of them had permanent settlements on kind of heights on them. This islands flooded every spring and are hardly suitable for anything. We cut the grass for livestock on them, as many locals did, that is the only use of them. You can't even dig a trench, because it will be immidiately flooded by ground water.
The water level rising has now widened the area needed to be crossed. Defensively is it easier or harder to defend?
I don't know. Obviously it depends on the landscape, resources of each side and so on. If defending side build fortifications close to the water and offending side have advantage in boats and firepower and air superiority, then flood will make offensive easier. If defending side have fortifications far away from water and have superiority in air and firepower, then offenders will have big problems.
Kherson is higher than other bank, and in case of complete dam destruction it will be flooded only partially, but the other side will be flooded a lot. However there are not many settlements on the other side and those that are are not as large as Kherson.
Withdrawal was due to inability to 100% protect single bridge, including from potential dam destruction, along with stupid, greedy (and failed) shenanigans with grain deal instead of taking Nikolaev and Odessa to close the question with Ukraine having access to sea and establishing fully controlled naval path without depending on that single bridge.
Also, it is a very unusual fake war, where goals on the ground are unknown and actions of both sides looks having very little sense for conventional war.
It is possible they were also going to attempt a counterflank from Kherson area crossing.
They doing it periodically with the same result - boats are shelled from Russian side and everybody dies. What will make them think that next time things will be different is out of my understanding.
Now state the obvious advantages?
IDK, flat water without high banks is easier to cross?
I don't really see any advantages for anybody.
It also couldbe that gates fall by themselves. Power plant and dum was shelled a lot by Ukrainians, Power plant itself was destroyed long ago, bridge have significant damage too. Gates could fail due to previous damage.
This flood will not be permanent. As water from reservoir will be dumped, water level will come back to normal.
IDK, may be week or so. So strategically it have no any sense, really. Sides was divided by river for months, and no any significant moves was done from either side. So nothing will happen if sides will have no any moves a week more.
The reservoir behind the dam is used to cool Zaporizhzhia.
Russian NPPs never use natural reservoirs or reservoirs directly connected to natural water for cooling to prevent contamination of natural water reservoir in case of leak to second/third contour or other disaster. There is always separate cooling ponds that is used to cool the NPP. Water periodically added to that ponds if water level fall due to evapuration, or poured in case of rains or snow melting in spring. Ponds built to have more than enough volume to cool NPP at maximum power endlessly. You could see that ponds on satellite maps easily. If there will be need to add water to ponds (which is definitely not the case in low power mode), it will be just pumped from the Dnepr, regardless of water level.
So lowering level in Dnepr in no way could do any harm to ZNPP.
Also, AFAIK dam itself was not destroyed, only gates that adjust water level damaged. So level fall and flood would be much less in comparison to the case when dam itself would have been blown.
I think we will see more and more "AI" on different support lines, bank customer services and so on. It is already there, really. Then, may be, at some point, people will be annoyed a lot by necessity to talk with a robot instead of real person, and began to boycott such companies like it was with woke ones. If that happens, may be we will have a chance.
Otherwise, "AI" will be declared time proven technology and some laws will be passed allowing "AI" for use in some specific circumstances, say, something about non-critical decisions about lost packages in state post service, few at the beginning and much more in later additions.
I think point of no return will be when some laws about AI will be passed as if AI is something real.
Nice to read that.
How do you think, is is possible to somehow revert that blind believe in AI existence? Seriously, it was easier with coronahoax/vaccinehoax to push sane person to began to ask questions.
At the current pace humanity will surrender its governance to non-existing AI and free politicians and all kinds of bureaucrats from any, even potential responsibility very soon.
There is nothing elite about a group of people conspiring criminal intent and activity. They are better known as criminals.
Yes. I just don't know how to make diminutive-scornful derivatine from the word "elite" in English. In Russian it will sound like "elit-ka".
They are better known as criminals.
Doubtful. They write the laws. "Criminal" is their word for you, if you ask uncomfortable questions.
Jews did the revolution using Western money, and Jews created famine by their insane ideas of building communism Trotsky style. As soon as Trotskists was eliminated, suddenly USSR become pretty full country. Do you know that USSR cancelled food stamps after WWII in 1947? That rich and powerful Britain who never had a foot of German soldier on its territory had them until 1954.
So it is not idiots and it is not Russians. It is Jews.
If with Jews in power you have famine and deaths, and after eliminating Jews from power you suddenly get enough food and lowest death rate in history with same population and even same system, than it is definitely not BigFoot who is a reason of famine.
Why do you continue to tell nonsense?
Land owners was killed much earlier. Crops deviations are not rare thing in Russian climate and farmers are taking that into account and always sow some excess. The reason of famine was expropriation of all possible wheat and other grain including those that was intended for sowing, by that jewish provision squads. They expropriated it from everybody, from collective farms, from kulaks (individual farmers who had employees) and from individuals. Kulaks and individuals who tried to resist was killed. Kulaks was declared "anti-soviet elements" to make killing "legal" and individuals who resisted was declared "kulaks". All that ended with exterminating Trotskist Jews in power. Members of "provision squads" who didn't flee to the West as "tyrant Stalin victims" was also prosecuted.
Dams do not break because of spilling. And dam itself didn't break. It was damaged by shelling gates that broke.
Also, according to latest info, Ukrainians still hold gates on Dnepropetrovsk power plant dam fully open to make flooding as worse as possible. And they open them few days before the disater.
Also, interesting that Ukrainian military moving troops from occupied Kherson and Nikolaev areas to Donetsk direction to replace killed and wounded in senseless attacks.
What about probabilities now?