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Since when objective ethnic distribution become non-objective propaganda?
There was no any Ukraine just 100 years ago, and it existet only as administrative region of USSR 70 years from that 100 years. What makes you think that Ukraine will still be there? Yugoslavia is not there, Chechoslovakia is not there, Austro-Hungary is not there, even USSR is not there. Ukraine is a LARP state created on a wreckage of USSR and immidiately submited by the West to become pure anti-Russia. Country build purely on the idea of being anti-another_country can't survive for a long. Because it have absolutely nothing to hold it together and move it forward.
With high probability there will be no any Ukraine in 10 years or even less, regardless of how things with that pseudo-war will develop.
What is not an objective, but speculation based on propaganda - it is Ukraine state existence.
Dam bursting didn't change anything, really. Just destroyed property of Russian population, that's all. No any difference from constant Donetsk and Lugansk regions shelling or shelling of small villages in Belgorod or Kursk regions.
Within a week water level below the dam will retrun to the norm, the level in Kakhovka resevour will be 2-3 meters lower, and that's all. The only result will be the destroyed property of Russain people that will be restored for Russians tax money and may be some dead Russian civilians who didn't evacuated from flood area.
IDk, if you want to believe in that stupid MSM narrative about great Ukrainian offensive or whatever - go ahead, but that does not make things anyhow different. Even you believe that it is possible, dam busting changing absolutely nothing for the result of that offensive, just because flooded region is too tough for Ukrainian/NATO military regardless of the flood. They couldn't do anything before, they can't do anything after. No any difference.
It's bullshit and you know it. It has nothing to do with the topic. There was no ethnic cleansing when a dam burst. A few beavers died at best. Omg the poor beavers. Bleeding hearts propaganda.
Russia did its own ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, a few decades ago. Holdomor.
You're right Ukraine didn't exist as the country its claiming, and it never has historically, but strangely there's this map showing something it thinks is. Ukraine existed 1000s of years ago. Roman specifically, and older. Okay. I'll agree, Russia gave Ukraine its borders. Because Ukraine has never existed as the country the map shows today, hadn't Russia granted Ukraine its borders and built much of it.
The dam bursting destroyed a bridge, and a dam, it expanded the river. It flooded low lying ground rising the water level.
Civilians being evacuated strains Ukrainian services more, I'd expect. An entire city, Kherson, plus lots of villages over a much larger area of river.
The dam bursting didn't make Ukraine fight any better. No. Their offensive operations have been woefully killed. Annihilated. At this point all they can do is deny they launched an offensive, because they haven't captured anything.
But what does a dam bursting do? It provokes, it causes support. This is ignorant, it happens regardless.
The probability is still Russia. Unless you can tell me why Ukraine did it, something factual objectively. Instead of dumb provocation.
It was destroying of Russian property, and that is exactly what I wrote.
You know absolutely nothing about Holodomor.
So-called "holodomor" war a severe famine created by bolshevik Jews who was in charge of USSR at the time in 1932-1933. Famine covered mostly Soutth-West part of USSR from Dnepr to Ural mountains. Most severe famine and most casualities was in Volga areas not on Ukraine. Famine was ended as soon as Stalin completely take over Trotskists in USSR government and partialy reverted shit Jews passed as laws that was the reason for famine.
In no way so called "Holodomor" is Ukrainian thing, Ukrainians was the least suffered people in that disaster among covered regions. In no way Russians are guilty in that disaster because it was created by Jews and forced by Jewish so-called provision squadrons formed mostly from Jews from regions of Pale of Settlements headed by Polish origin Jew Tukhachevsky who was evetually arrested and shot by Stalin order. Politically that shit was pushed by Lituanian Jew Vareikis, also exterminated by Stalin later.
How did you ever get to that complete bullshit about "Ukrainian Holodomor" hoax at all, being so careful about objectivity and anticipating to the propaganda?
There was no such thing as "Ukrainian Holodomor" at all because Ukraine as Ukrainian SSR (without modern Western Ukraine and Crimea) just appeared to existence first time in history just decade before the famine and most of those who suffered from it considered themselves as Malorussians or Russians. It was just after the so called "Ukrainization" of 1929-1930 forced by same Jews who perpetrated USSR famine. only 2 years before the famine children of Ukrainian SSR was teached that there exist Ukrainian language and it is just began teached in schools of Ukrainian SSR.
Do you understand, that at the time of 1932-33 famine there was no any Ukrainians as etnicity at all? Do you understand, that most severe famine in 1932-33 was in Russian regions, not those that now accounted as Ukrainian? Do you understand, that largest part of Ukrainian SSR that suffered from famine is Russian regions of modern Ukraine and most are voted to join Russia already? Do you understand, that ancestors of those Western Ukrainians who whine today about "Holodomor" just wasnt there at the time of famine, because their regions was parts of Poland, Romania and Hungary? Do you understand that it is Jews whose ancestors perpetrated that famine over Russian people from Dnepr to Ural created that blatant lie about "Holodomor" as "Russians take the food from Ukrainians"?
Are you kidding me? Why the fuck I even have to explain that things to the user of conspiracy.win at all? Or may be you believe in Holocaust bullshit with that 6M Jews too? Or somehow Jewish lies about Holocaust have to be questioned, but same lies of same Jews about Russians and Ukrainians should not?
Really, it is very sad that somehow your critical thinking suddenly switch off completely, when things touch anything about Russia. It is interesting phenomena, however, and a clear proof that severe indoctrination of West population to false narratives began much earlier than many think.
Whatever, if you feel yourself more comfortable beliving in the blatant lies about a country on the other side of globe that was told to you buy exactly same persons who lied to you all way long about nearly everything, go ahead, I don't see any sense to try to change your mind. It is like trying to convince left kid from modern European school that "trans people" are just mentally ill, exactly like Napoleons contained in mental facility.
Haha WTF. Bleeding hearts propaganda. Not interested in that kind of critical thinking. About how the damned beavers were genocided by the Jews. Come on you're gonna have to do much better than the beavers.
Holodomor, Ukraine was still Russian. You haven't proved anything else. The point of debate was did Russia cause ethnic cleansing in Ukraine. Look at that, they actually did. Not bullshit.
I am not believing lies. I am gauging the probability. Something you have become very emotional about. It isn't critical thinking.
I am asking rationally why. Something we were talking about, until you started throwing bananas. Something I said I didn't want to partake in.
The probability. The obvious point of debate on your beloved landmark of Soviet engineering, was, was it operational. Not nonsense. Was it generating productivity? Was the overflow being vented producing electricity powering Russian territory. Not bullshit. Then you can claim the terrorism. I think you'll find it wasn't restored. Yes there are limitations in warfare. But it was seemingly expected. Because it was, it's no surprise. It's not a knicker twister where the poor beavers got genocided. It was an occurrence.
Now why? There are plenty of reasons and more put that probability higher Russian objectively, rather than Ukrainian provocation. Although their's could be similar. Although not for at the foreseeable future. Russia aren't launching an offensive there soon. They're defending and are still carrying out forward operations in Donetsk.
Jesus.
There was not such etnicity as "Ukrainian" and still it does not exist. You just can't create a new etnicity just in few generations, even if you will try hard.
Jews have nothing common with Russians and Russia.
It was Jewish Trotskists that created famine in Russia and perpetuated ethnic cleansing of Russians in Russia.
And after such statements you are talking about gauging probabilities. What is the point or use of gauging probabilities of the things you have absolutely no idea about?
Just like Ukraine. Russian authorities don't want, Ukrainian authorities can't.
So it is either an accidental consequences of previous Ukraine shelling, either it is Ukrainian revenge toward hated Russian population for humiliating elimination of weapons and manpower of Ukraine by Russian forces and so inability to demonstrate any kind of offensive to Ukraine's Western masters.
Of course you could count probabilites of alien UFO strike or Putin doing evil things because he is evil, or Kakhovka Nessy trying to break into Black Sea, but I don't see how they could be noticeably different from zero.