Pretty wild how so few people, even on a conspiracy board, don't know about the Kalergi plan, as they keep advocating for ideas, behaviors, policies, and philosophies which help advance the Kalergi plan.
The left will never, ever do this. Some of the useful idiots, the grunts, may harp about it, but the political leaders, absolutely not.
They know that if they open that can of worms, if they start a secession, balkanization, civil war, or revolt, it will result in violence, it will escalate, and their entire house of cards will crumble, robbing them of all their control mechanisms, fully awakening White people to the charade and the cabal's crimes. They war game this stuff constantly. It always ends the same way. If violence starts, they always lose and we win. Thus, they're trying desperately to delay any violent scenario for as long as possible, in the hopes that when it does happen, White people will be in such a minority that we'll have very little chance of winning.
This is why they're pushing the Kalergi plan so fervently, and using shills to call anyone advocating for violence "feds", while simultaneously pushing ideas like "vote harder [current year]", "vote for ____ false savior", and keeping people operating within the confines of the curated, controlled, corrupted system.
It doesn't matter?
The truth matters. The truth is the only thing we seek.
It matters what the truth of the moon landings are. It matters if voting is a charade or not. In every conspiracy, in every idea and philosophy, the truth is the only thing that matters.
Only through truth can we properly view the world, make correct decisions, protect ourselves, exfiltrate ourselves from false paradigms, charades, and control mechanisms, and most importantly, only through truth can we properly identify and fix our problems.
I upvote him because I like him and appreciate what he's doing, and it makes some people repeatedly question how he can get so many upvotes, which I find comical.
Nepotism is antithetical to merit. Merit is a foundational requirement for any group to be successful.
However, some groups (White people) are capable of being understandably nepotistic (like raising your sons to follow in your footsteps in whatever profession you're in, passing on your inheritance to your offspring, or preferring the people of your own community than that of outsiders). However, the above exceptions to nepotism can easily, and often better, be described by other traits than "nepotism", as they're logical behaviors for healthy people and communities to keep, so that they remain healthy. Nepotism, generally speaking, is what happens when people entirely eschew merit, usually for the purposes of retaining undue power, purely for power's sake, and such people are usually corrupt and destructive to the people around them, hurting whatever group they're a part of. Whereas healthy "nepotism" improves whatever group they're a part of.
This isn't really a refutation of what you said, just an exploration of it, as there are other considerations.
The only evidence needed is to just drive on the roads.
I do agree with OP that the internet is filled with tons of bots and shills, and has been for a while.
However, there are absolutely a lot of stupid people out there. The whole NPC meme that hit a few years ago highlighted that a whole lot of people don't have inner monologues. Through extensive debates, that I've had and seen, to research into conspiracy theories, seeing how people react when their ideas are challenged, it's obvious that there's a large section of the population that aren't creative. They're more like human robots, that are programmed, and merely repeat what they've been programmed to. If you challenge their beliefs, they merely repeat their programming. You could present them mountains of evidence to the contrary, and they'd reject all of it, with ease. They even get angry at you for daring to change their programming.
At a certain level, it has to be wondered if that kind of person is somehow beneficial for human populations, because it's either a majority of the current population, or a very large segment, that it's somehow a genetically selected and predisposed behavior, somehow benefitting the species. Because, if society were healthy, these people would be (hopefully) parroting the truth, defending it. However, since the liars took control, all they do now is repeat and defend the lies. That, or what we're seeing is conditioned, meaning not natural, either through diet, chemicals, brainwashing, or a combination. It could also be a consequence of the rise and fall of civilization. When civilizations peak, the people are comfortable, with numerous barriers erected between themselves and nature. This prevents stupidity from being rightfully punished and weeded out. This stupidity grows, and will get big enough to weigh down civilization, where it will slowly at first, and then accelerate toward collapse, because of the stupid. This is almost always paired with corruption, too, where the corrupt take advantage of peak civilization, and gain/retain power through dumbing down the population, or intentionally trying to make us dumber, usually by feeding us lies.
In any case, objectively, there are a lot more stupid people put there today than there were 50 or 100 years ago. Then again, there are still also a great number of good people. It's just that they're largely drowned out by the stupid and/or censored and not on social media. Social media has enabled the stupid easier access to spreading their stupidity, and it's arguable that social media attracts the low and mid wits more, especially in the normie spheres of the internet, which makes it appear like the stupid is more common.
You don't always need to overtly censor stuff to ruin a forum. This forum gets a similar treatment to r/conspiracy and 4chan/pol. After 2016, r/conspiracy and 4chan/pol were inundated with shills constantly shitting on conspiracy theories, theorists, and genuine users, wildly manipulating vote totals, preventing genuine discussion (posting porn and useless topics on 4chan), and driving genuine users away. This forum is experiencing something similar, to a lesser degree. There are quite a few "users" here doing the same thing as the shills on r/conspiracy and 4chan, which have mostly been captured and ruined.
Nice try.
It's the truth. You're free to disagree at your leisure, but disagreement with truth doesn't change it. I use social media how it suites me, not how you want me to.
Then how come you replied to u/crusaderpepe yesterday? Did you forget that I replied to you yesterday?
I sometimes will go back to specific discussions because I found them interesting. However, the bulk of replies I get are answered all at once, in one day.
Also, nice try to add a comment 15 days after you were demolished in this discussion.
Just because you disagree doesn't mean I was "demolished". That's not how truth works. You again reveal that you place yourself above truth, above God, thinking that anything that escapes your lips is sacrosanct, above challenge, truth by its very nature. Wrong! That's hubris! It isn't just unChristian, it's anti-Christian. You deny your own faults and place yourself above God. If you continue to act and believe in this way, you are damned.
See? You don't even bother to read what I already provided in this conversation. Go back to the start of this comment thread and read it again - it's all there already.
I'm well aware of what you already posted. I was wanting you to give more nuance and explanation, out of the remote possibility that you might not believe what you've been arguing for this entire time. Thus far, you've unabashedly argued that Christians should be peaceful, no matter what. You've not refined that argument once in this entire "debate".
Any Biblical passage I post (I fixed it for your benefit) is "from the devil"? How many Biblical passages are from the devil then? Was he adding passages? I wasn't even aware...
You do know that satan quotes scripture, right? He does so to confuse Christians, to lead us astray with false interpretations, so he can worm his way into our lives and destroy us. A false interpretation of scripture is a lie, a falsehood, and is of the devil, and requires rebuke.
Furthermore, the passages you quoted were taken out of context, and didn't mean what you suggested they meant. The Bible, Jesus, nor God argue for Christians to be peaceful no matter what. I provided numerous alternative explanations for the passages you quoted, and provided context to them, and then posted numerous more passages which directly refute your assertion that God and Jesus demands we be peaceful no matter what.
I am 99% sure that u/apexveritas won't reach this far in my comment, so that's written only to anyone, who has gotten so far in the comments.
Wrong. Your hubris shows itself again. Predict the future and fail.
38 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;…
Wait... You claim I didn't read what you wrote, and yet you try to quote Matthew 5:38-40 again? You flaming hypocrite.
I already disproved that passage was arguing for pacifism. I posted 2 (out of many times many) links which directly refute what you're arguing, and numerous alternative explanations for that passage. Go up a few comments and reread (look for the blue links). But, here, let me post them for you again:
https://www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.html
None of us can change the word of God in Revelation, so there is no point in going against the goats. Our work is to gather the sheep and protect the sheep!
On this, we agree. The word of God is truth itself. Truth is immutable, it doesn't change. Nothing we say contrary to it will change it. Logic, the mathematical rules, the scientific rules, the constants of the universe, none of them change. As an aside, logic is the one way we can divine truth with 100% certainty, and sound logic doesn't change either. What's true is true, and will always be true. This is why God wins, and satan loses. God is truth, and satan is lies and falsehoods. Victory can only be attained by alignment with truth (God).
Also, I find it ironic that you said what you did in the 2nd sentence, as "protect" necessarily requires that good men sometimes utilize violence to protect what we love, what is good and truthful.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
I'm not sure if you're misquoting scripture again. In the chance that you are...
That passage doesn't mean that faith alone is enough. Works, by themselves, aren't enough, because as mortal, finite, imperfect beings we're all sinful and fall short of the worthiness of God. This is why Jesus had to sacrifice Himself for our salvation. The Bible, numerous times, says that faith without works is dead, that it's not enough. We, as Christians, if we have faith, should be doing works as well, in accordance with God, for God, because God is with us. Here's some passages that talk about it:
James 2:14-26
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Titus 2:7-8
7 In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness 8 and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.
1 Corinthians 4:2
4 who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
Matthew 16:24-25
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
1 Corinthians 3:10-15
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born. 9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.
I think it's more a reference to what the mods on TheDonald (and the site admins) censor.
That user couldn't have made it more obvious that they have no clue about any conspiracies around 9/11, or anything else about the "war on terror".
The person you're replying to, I'm fairly certain, is a discord shill, trying to sow chaos in the forum. Every interaction he has with people here is to stir up drama and shit, to piss people off and drive them away. Peruse his comment history as proof.
Nothing you said isn't hateful driven.
HAHAHAHAHA. I don't care. Hate isn't inherently wrong.
Not even a citation.
You don't need a citation for sound consistent logic.
You're a waste of space.
We all are. We all fall short of the perfection of God. Fortunately, we were redeemed by Christ, and I have faith in Him, and follow in His footsteps.
Your willingness to make extreme comments because, " this is an extreme site" is enemy within.
Oh okay, you're just trolling. Thanks. Have a wonderful weekend. And thanks for the laughs.
Are you aware manosphere agreed with the Islamic State attempted terrorist attack in Vienna? Is that where you align yourself?
Uhhhh, no. Like I said, "I'm not manosphere or MGTOW".
Show me where in the above linked information you find an error.
They're poorer and dumber because they're not White. Also, I don't care what non-whites do in their own countries, so long as they leave us the hell alone. I'm a nationalist, which by the very root word definition, means I'm an ethno nationalist.
Removing education, and rights for women make stupid children including boys.
No it doesn't. If empowered women and feminism produced a better society, education rates wouldn't be tanking in the U.S. for decades. Every single society on earth, for thousands of years, has rightfully curtailed specific "rights" of women, because they're inherently emotional and empathetic, and less logical than men. This doesn't mean women are "oppressed", just that they're not given rights that they shouldn't have, since men and women are biologically different, physically and mentally, and fulfill different roles in the species. Trying to equate unequal things as being equal is the sign of indoctrination and/or stupidity. Egalitarianism is a lie by the people in power.
I have no time for dumb shit.
Weird, neither do I. But, I often entertain woefully wrong people in debate because it provides multiple benefits.
I've pointed out your logical errors.
No you didn't. Linking to two articles doesn't disprove anything. Linking the two articles you did, specifically, didn't disprove anything I said.
If you choose to ignore it, that's on you.
Yes, it is. And I'm fine with that. I sleep soundly, because my ideas are vetted, well challenged, very well thought over, and honed sharp. I've spent every night from 15 to early 30s waking up in the middle of the night obsessing about philosophical problems, for several hours, resulting in an average of 1-5 hours of sleep every night for all of those years. I slowly learned the answers to them, though.
But again, what you levy against me is more suited to you.
You are choosing to make extreme comments online aligning yourself with terrorists.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you lost? This entire site and this forum are labelled "extremist" by the people in power. I don't care one iota what you or my enemies label me as. I care what I actually am, objectively.
Not too bright.
You don't own a mirror, do you?
I'm not manosphere or MGTOW (although they're correct on a lot of things, just not on the solutions). Are you suggesting I'm wrong, that feminism isn't destructive, because "Taliban"? It's hard to tell because your reply was terse.
We absolutely need more kids, just the right kind. Every White nation (and several non-white) that have embraced feminism, has resulted in a birth rate below 2.1. Feminism is the primary cause, because it pushes women into the workforce en masse during their most fertile years, to "pursue their careers". It also makes coupling harder, as women are naturally hypergamous, meaning they'll only be attracted to men that make more money than them, and if society is forced to pay women the same as men, women automatically remove 50% of men from the dating pool.
Thus, White women are only prompted to have kids when they're in their late 20s or early 30s, when their biological clock is ticking down and they've been on birth control since hitting puberty (which also causes huge problems with fertility), and their chances of landing a good man and having more than 2 healthy kids is abysmal.
This results in a low birth rate, so the hand rubbing people in power can claim we don't have enough workers, so they can then open the borders and mass immigrate millions upon millions of non-whites, to "do the jobs we don't want to do" (even though we've been doing those jobs ourselves all along). It's called the Kalergi plan, the intentional replacement and genocide of White people.
Every step of this process is planned and intentional by the people in power. Feminism, every stage of it, birth control, open borders, mass non-white immigration, all of it.
You want to fix the birth rates? Get rid of feminism. Want to fix feminism? <fedpost> the people in power. Nothing else will fix it.
I'm not sure on the nuclear war, or them planning a big war of any kind. Too many men are refusing to cooperate with their thoroughly corrupted nations (governments), in the West and non-West. I know they want to reduce population numbers, but I figure they'd do it more through pandemic routes.
As for nuclear war, specifically, it would run completely contrary to their Kalergi plan goals. Western cities are mostly non-white now. It's where most of the non-whites live. If you go into rural areas, they're still mostly, if not entirely, White. A nuclear war results in cities and military bases being targeted, the exact locations globohomo doesn't want to be destroyed. They need the military to enforce their edicts and to quell coming dissident movements among the people, and they need cities for the non-whites and Kalergi plan.
As for the rest of your comment, I agree. Perhaps the people in power are just so filled with hubris that they think they can't lose, and are pushing us toward their own destruction because of it. It's difficult to tell. But, since all of them are evil, hypocrites, and liars, they're plans aren't truthbound, so are doomed to fail.
The petro dollar and America's ability to enforce it has waned a great deal, and continues to weaken. With it, one of the critical ways to fund globohomo is decreasing, so they have to rely more on money printing, which is further fucking all economies reliant on the petro dollar. This is probably why so many countries are starting to trade for oil with other currencies and hoarding gold. In the past, countries that did this would get (((freedomized))) by the U.S. military, but they're not right now, which is a big indicator for how weakened the globalist military arm has become.
This economic downturn and the coming collapse is obvious to anyone with half a brain, though. The people in power can't keep injecting diversity and mass immigration of non-whites into White countries (the Kalergi plan) and expect everything White people built to remain functioning. All of Western civilization (not just the economy) is headed toward collapse because White people are being replaced, not getting hired in critical infrastructure, and taxed into destitution, while White people are the only demographic in White countries (other than Asians) which are net taxpayers. Every aspect of Western civilization is getting diversified and retarded, and in critical infrastructure, is causing failures, deaths, and weakening of globohomo along with everyone else.
The big question is how much of this is anticipated by the hand rubbing people in power, and if they have counter plans for the collapse. This is because civilizational collapse will enable the dissident voices, which have thus far been censored and quelled, to gain massive traction, organization, and manpower, as well as robbing the globalists of all their power structures and propaganda outlets. This will result in them losing, big time. So, what counter plans do they have, if any? That's what we have to prepare for, beyond the normal prepping we should already be doing.
They're false saviors, propped up and offered to us by the people in power, as a control mechanism.
The primary control mechanism is the false left/right political dichotomy. It gives people the illusion of choice, of resistance, but in a carefully curated Overton window which is entirely controlled by the people in power. Over time, people will wake up to the illusion, and wander off the plantation. When these lost sheep get big enough, they have the power to stay things, and will often form their own political parties (like Occupy Wallstreet, the Tea Party, the Libertarian party). These parties, if not subverted at the very outset, become subverted through infiltration, moving the party back into the frame of the Overton window, neutering it, preventing the people within it from effectually resisting.
The lost sheep are also offered false saviors, who speak like the lost sheep, to capture their support, but over time will move the lost sheep back toward the Overton window.
There are clear indicators if a person is genuine, and if they're worthy of trust and loyalty from us lost sheep. We have to be wise and discerning to figure out who is who, so we don't waste our time or support. That, and we must openly and loudly reject the false saviors, to warn others, and potential, genuine leaders must rise and offer their services, of their own volition, because we desperately need them. Leaders act as condensation points and rallying points, where the individual members may be hopeless, the collectivization provides power and voice.
Even "free speech" websites like Gab are now paywalling older content (only the most recent 2 months for free Gab users with a profile, and 1 week for non users). Free Gab users can't even access their own content, which they posted to the site. Torba is increasingly proving himself to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. This change essentially removes all content older than the perpetual "now", unless you pay Torba shekels.
You have repeatedly refused to address any of the Biblical passages or logical refutations on the failures of pacifism. To limit my social media use, I wait to reply to my notifications on one day, often waiting a week or two, doing it on a day where I have the free time to do it. Some of us can't spend our entire lives online. We have other priorities. This website, and most social media sites, facilitate long form interactions, because they don't delete old posts or comments. We can, at will, choose to come back to a conversation, or revive an old one, whenever we choose. But, back to the topic at hand:
Let's start at the beginning.
What, EXACTLY, are you arguing for? Do you advocate that good men, Christian men, never, ever, become violent, even to protect themselves, their children, their wives, their fellow Christians, or their neighbors?
I'm advocating that good men, Christian men, are absolutely called to be peaceful, when peace is called for, when peace is the best option. However, such men should, and are justified, to be violent against people who wish to corrupt, subvert, harm, and destroy them, their family, their people, or the truth itself.
I've seen pkvi for a while now. I've never seen him advocate for dismantling every single thing, including the good things. Even in the instance you linked to, it's more likely a passionate but less defined response than an actual position you're claiming he espouses. To be fair, though, he could believe in that, but, given all the other interactions, posts, and comments I've seen of him, I highly doubt that's the case. The worst thing that can be said of him is that he title gores his post titles.
Debates are nearly impossible to have in a free for all, where the entire crowd participates. You'll notice that all formal debates are organized with 2 parties, and a larger crowd of observers. I thought this was common knowledge?
This is the specific post where the debate occurred:
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17txMXkPyd/st-john-chrysostom-on-how-to-dea/c
This is the specific thread for the debate:
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17txMXkPyd/st-john-chrysostom-on-how-to-dea/c/4ZDrsKiNDUv
Yeah, please check the comments that u/ApexVeritas "can't provide at the moment"...
I've provided numerous Biblical passages which prove my position. All of which u/Neo1 didn't refute. He instead takes very few specific passages, uses them to mean what he wants them to mean, when they have numerous alternate meanings, which I provided, and proclaims victory.
Observe how he can't respond to quotes from the Bible, just like you can't do it.
The linked thread in question proves the opposite, and anyone is free to read it for themselves. You claiming otherwise is more testament that you're a subversive, antithetical to truth, and put yourself above God/truth. Good people don't claim the sky isn't blue, that water isn't wet, and yet, here you are (again), denying blatant observable truths, all to fellate yourself.
Public discourse (whether good or bad) enables observers to learn something, about the viewpoints of each party, about the parties themselves, about the topic, and how they view it.
True. They all speak of this openly, but still, so many refuse to believe it, even here.