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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

The cabal has been pushing for a war with Russia for a while now. They've advanced NATO toward Russia's borders for years. They committed a coup in Ukraine's election. The false leadership in Ukraine has been targetting ethnic Russians, and prevented them from rejoining Russia as part of Ukraine's constitution allows. The (((West))) inflammed the civil war in Syria (Russia's only ally in the region). The CIA and Mossad created, led, armed, funded, and trained ISIS, which helped destabilize Syria. Obama and Hillary tried to create a "red line" in Syria, which would have started a war with Russia. The U.S. blew up the Nordstream pipeline. Western (((media))) has been demonzing Russia for years.

It's not like this "war with Russia" messaging sprang up out of nowhere, for no reason. The cabal wants a war with Russia, and has been priming and pushing it for years. The media and government constantly pushing for it is just priming and normalization propaganda, to get the public used to the idea. The only relevant question is: why do the cabal want a war with Russia?

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's what bayonets are for. But just to be safe, better put a scope on the bayonet for better accuracy.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

I tried looking for it, but can't find it, even using Yandex. It looks like the video was scrubbed. Every result I come across now shows this video:

https://rumble.com/v1ty0fu-sandy-hook-raw-helicopter-footage-1.html

This isn't what I saw. It was a different video, of a much larger building, with a big crowd circling the building.

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ApexVeritas 8 points ago +8 / -0

I distinctly remember watching a news report of that "school shooting" right after it happened, where a camera was pointed at the school while a reporter was reporting on the event, with a steady stream of people walking from left to right in the background in front of the school (I first assumed it was parents, locals, and LEOs surveying the event). At the break in the segment, the news studio cut away from the ground camera to the helicopter camera overhead (detailing the entire school and the crowd), and showed that the crowd of people walking in front of the school was a big circular band of extras (like you'd see in a TV show or movie) walking in a giant circle around the school, like a big follow-the-leader in a big circle. Was wild to see, and how incompetent the news studio was to actually show it.

I also remember seeing several threads (don't remember where) arguing that the school this happened at had been shut down for a long time, with photos to prove it. The photos showed all kinds of dilapidated structures in dire need of repair, much of which was covered with mold and dirt, both inside and outside the school. There's no way a modern school would look like that, or be that dirty. It looked like a building that was in the mid stages of nature reclaiming it.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

If you only accept evidence from government sources, you're going to have a bad time.

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ApexVeritas 4 points ago +4 / -0

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You think the FDA, an incredibly corrupt government organization, would post something bad about itself, on their own website? And you post this comment, on a conspiracy theory forum, as a means to refute?

I can't be the only one who notices the astounding number of commenters on this forum who blatantly don't believe in conspiracies.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

"modern made"

"modern made"

"modern made"

"ancient Egypt"

Do you not see the inherent discrepancy in your own argument? I didn't say it was impossible for modern people to create these things. I only added caveats that we're able to do it with modern machining equipment and computers to design them, which the ancient Egyptians (supposedly) didn't have.

Also, please explain how the ancient Egyptians were able to (by eye) create geometric symmetries that are all related to each other, in every curve of their vases, even in curves with a radius of around 1mm, and even in curves between the handles which can't be lathed.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

The best way to control morons is with false choice dichotomies. Team red and team blue, both of which are controlled. Politics, sports, ideology, media, history, and so on.

It gets tiresome with how effective it is, even with people you thought knew better. In this way, they absolutely deserve the hell world that's being created, because they're supporting the people that are ushering it in, one false choice at a time, refusing to separate themselves completely from the system and the lies they've been fed, which is why the "better" options only achieve hell world slower, or just push it in different ways. They even congratulate themselves over small perceived victories when everything else is burning around them, usually "yeah, but..." and "at least..." statements for their false choice messiahs.

The cognitive dissonance with current Trump supporters roars to the surface when almost all of them recognize the political and voting systems are highly corrupted, and yet they still decry "vote harder" as the only solution. The moment someone advocates for actually pushing back and regaining ground using effective and uncorrupted means, stopping the people who are hurting us, and not sit idly by and watch everything and everyone we love be destroyed, these slovenly apathetic brainwashed fools have the gall to call us "feds", or some other derivation.

"I keep making the same decisions but the situation continues to get worse" will be written on the tombstone of Western civilization, precisely because of all these retards.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +3 / -1

From what I've read, funeral pyres require more wood than that. The typical funeral pyre in India uses 1000-1100 pounds of wood, and it doesn't completely burn the body. It leaves a burned body, with fleshy bits attached to a skeleton. It doesn't magically become a pile of ash. The body still needs to be disposed of. Interestingly, in all but two of the "death camps", it's claimed that's how the Nazis cremated the bodies in open air fire pits.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

These Blood Tribe glowies hid their faces? Why? When you feel that strongly about a radicalized ideal, typically you're PROUD of the radicalized ideal.

Well, gee, let me think...

Could it be that because every institution in the West has been infiltrated, corrupted, and turned to evil, including our own government and courts. People who don't wear masks and stand up to ZOG get doxxed, threatened, beaten, fired, debanked, censored, fined, arrested, and/or killed. Nah, it couldn't be that...

Even the normie right wingers who still haven't realized how absurdly corrupt our society has become are finding out how stupid it is to show your face. Just ask the January 6th prisoners.

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ApexVeritas 4 points ago +6 / -2

While I don't doubt some Nazi groups were started by jews, and for that purpose of making Nazis look bad, but to then claim all groups of hard right people are created, infiltrated, and/or controlled is pure malevolent manipulation, just another method of control, to keep people atomized and weak, so we don't group up and fight back, to make you think you can't trust anyone.

The counterpoint, by those that may try to disagree, will probably be "I never claimed all groups were...", and yet whenever any group protests, or does anything to dissent to our situation outside the bounds of our carefully curated prison, they're automatically called feds, and they "glow". Y'all may not claim "all groups", but you sure as hell use stuff like this to paint everyone in those colors, trying to paint the false picture that everyone further right than the false choice right wing are all feds, and attack any group that strays too far into "I may have to get off the couch to fix something" territory.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

https://www.youtube.com/@SacredGeometryDecoded/videos...Knock yourself out. This guy refutes all these bullshit claims about the vases and shows how they can be easily replicated.

I checked out several of his videos and looked through most of his channel's other videos. He only had one series where he worked with granite, and he produced something that's nowhere close to what we've seen in the vases that Ben talked about in OP's video, or the other vases studied thus far in Ben's other videos. Nor does the person you linked to disprove the points Ben, and others, have made regarding the evidence for advanced ancient tech.

The problem isn't just working hard stone. It's working hard stone to incredibly tight tolerances/precision, and in weird shapes that can't be produced on a lathe or other spinning tool, which the official Egyptologists say the ancient Egyptians didn't have. You, and the person you linked to, is already discrediting the Egyptologist's own narrative while trying to debunk anyone that's discrediting the narrative.

He has one video titled "Precision in Stone with IMPRECISE Tools by Hand Lesson 1". In the video, he says he was able to achieve .01mm tolerances, but no where does he show his measurements, whereas the measurements for the vases are shown in Ben's videos. Furthermore, he (the person you linked to) claims that he can get high precision through the simple act of turning the tool and piece, but doesn't have an explanation for high precision on pieces that have non spherical shapes, or between the handles of the vases where "turning" the tool or the piece is impossible. He also doesn't have an explanation/refutation for the geometric ratios for all the curves on the scanned vases thus far studied by Ben and the other people looking into this. You can't eyeball those geometric ratios. It has to be intentional, and designed. The person you linked to just drilled a shallow circle, oblivious to the exact dimensions, and then claimed victory. This is exactly what Egyptologists and mainstream historians have been doing to (((debunk))) counterpoints for decades. They make their own claims, have short sites experiments that fail to address the counterpoints, attack anyone who disagrees with them (usually censoring them out of any academic sphere), and then proclaim their side is victorious and right.

I'd also like to point out that it's weird that you linked to someone who's entire Youtube channel is about "debunking" conspiracy theories, on a conspiracy theory forum.

What kind of utter bullshit is this?...https://www.egypte-market.com/?s=granite...Look. A website from Egypt where you can buy worked granite. Took me 30 seconds to find.

I assumed that the people participating in this discussion understood that we were talking about complex creations, like vases, and not slabs of stone. You're right, my wording could have been more precise. Modern Egyptians do occasionally work in granite, but it's almost exclusively on objects that are easier to make (i.e. flat stuff like countertops), and the vast majority of their work is in softer stone, and it's much lower precision than the vases being discussed. Ben has videos on his channel showing modern Egyptians creating vases with primitive techniques, but like I said, it's in softer stone, and they're all incredibly inaccurate compared to the vases that are being discussed.

To specifically reference your link, I've made stone countertops before (from scratch from rocks taken out of the mountain). I've worked in a rock quarry before. I know what the processes and tools are. Do you know how loose the "tolerances" they give for countertops and other flat objects? +/- .25 inches, and sometimes much more. And those are the easiest stone pieces to make, using modern tech like carbide/diamond tipped saws.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

It depends on what tolerances you mean. For roundness you will get less than micron tolerance on nearly any lathe and even cutting something gripped in hand drill....I have no tools to measure roundness tolerance for things I made on my lathe, It is much less than micron. Best dial I have with 0.001 precision show nothing if I set it on a just turned part rotating in a chuck. Obviously....For other axis, I have around 0.01 mm lengthwise from chuck to rear support and same 0.01 perpendiculal for 150mm diameter stock. This tolerances are adjustable so it could be better, but I don't need to.

You say you don't have tools to measure tolerance, and then say your tolerances are sub micron? Maybe this is a language barrier, thing. In any case...

What stone are you working with?

You can only lathe granite with carbide or diamond impregnated steel. According to the Egyptologists, the ancient Egyptians didn't have that tech, nor did they even have lathes. Even with those tools, granite is really hard to lathe, because it's so fragile and has lots of quartz, and even sedimentary rock, occlusions (the granite is impregnated with other materials). Every occlusion line is a probable failure point where stress fractures can and do occur. A lathe, even with the proper tools, puts lots of pressure on granite, which is highly compressed (due to how it's created in the earth), which can cause it to fracture along those occlusions, creating imperfections/chips/cracks in the surface which would impugn on the accuracy of the work far beyond the tolerances we see in these vases.

You will not believe me, but suddenly, solids of revolution like vases are made from some 2D curve rotated by 360 degrees. If you look at Egyptian 2D pictures and ornaments, you will find that they are sometimes very sophisticated. You need not be a genius to take some of those ornaments curve and turn it to get some nice thing.

More proof you didn't watch the video, even though you claim you did. Ben discusses the insane geometric relations of these vases at 32:20 and 40:00 (for the two specific vases being discussed) in the video. You can't just eyeball that.

You don't need any eyballing if you use stops. Simpliest thing - a stick attached to stock. Every time attached stick stop at some fixture, angle of stock is exactly same with decent precision. Very easy.

Yeah, this is why I don't believe your "sub micron" claims to your precision. A stop would incur error far beyond what we see in these vases. A "stick" would incur error far beyond what we see in these vases.

They are idiots. You need bronze or brass for that. Just go to nearest hardware shop and take a look at all that diamond or corundum cutting disks - the abrasive is melted into brass. Copper is too soft to hold abrasive. In addition, copper is kind of sticky. It is hard to mil, drill and turn copper because it is sticky. Brass and bronse is self-slipping. That is why bushes are made from brass or bronze, and that is why it is used as a carrier for abrasive.

Are you being intentionally ignorant of this material to try to "win" your argument, or just trying to troll me? Egyptologists claim the ancient Egyptians didn't have brass or bronze. They claim they only had copper and stone tools. Furthermore, the Egyptologists that "tested" their copper saw with sand abrasives used a saw with lots of small teeth to trap the sand abrasive between them, using it to grind away at the material. As I said, they made almost no progress. Furthermore, I only brought it up because you're the one that mentioned it. Here's your direct quote:

In ancient times such things highly probably was made on hand-driven lathe of basic construction with rotating bronse disk/ball with sand melted in as cutting tool.

Steel is not used to cut stones. Steel is used in this tools only to carry cutting edge made from brass/bronze and abrasive. All cutting is done by abrasive. And there was plenty of abrasive in ancient Egypt.

I never claimed steel was used to "cut" stone. I said steel tools were/are used to work stone, meaning: steel hammers and chisels. You do know that it's the Egyptologists themselves that say the ancient Egyptians created these vases with only copper chisels, and without lathes?

But in basics it is not different from stock holded between two arrowheads and driven by bowstring with knife or sharp stone as a tool. With such lathe you could do anything you can do on modern lathe, it just will take much more time. With such lathe you could make any round parts from wood, bronze or brass stock. Then use them to upgrade your lathe to do things from stone or whatever material.

LOL. You seriously think the ancient Egyptians created micron tolerances in granite with lathes made out of "arrowheads" and "bowstring", or used those tools to create copper tools which could create those tolerances. Okay. Yeah. Sure. This has to be a troll.

You do know that each order of magnitude in accuracy/precision advancement isn't easy to achieve, and it's not achieved in a vacuum. The entire society/civilization would have to shift/advance to achieve those increases in precision. All of technology follows this pattern. You don't just jump from copper chisels to advanced rocketry and space flight. There are numerous, complicated, lengthy intermediate steps. It takes iteration upon iteration, improvement upon improvement, of the entire society to build upon itself to achieve the advances required to even produce the tools necessary to build these things. We've only been able to achieve equitable precision to these vases through the use of computers and modern machinery.

You're making arguments that showcase you have no knowledge of the purported history, claiming the results can be replicated with modern equipment (which was mine and Ben's entire point), and then claiming the ancient Egyptians could easily do it because you can do it (which is questionable with how you've thus far worded it) with modern equipment.

F.e. those flat disks with square holes in center that are declared coins by "archeologists". They are not coins. "Archeologists" didn't know about machining and all that stuff. They are cutting disks. Square hole allow easily transfer large torque from wooden stick to cutting edge without slipping. Craft was rated high in ancient times, so this form of disk with square hole eventually could evolve in coins with some art on them, but early ones with flat sides are cutting tools.

Again, granite and harder stone can't be lathed or cut with copper, brass, or bronze. It requires carbide or diamond impregnated steel. Those "coins" couldn't do jack shit to granite.

I watched and I'm pity I spend time to watch this. Only thing that saved this video is vases. They are nice. And that's all.

"Watched", and yet you prove that you didn't by what you've written and argued thus far.

Mainstream historians claim a lot of bullshit. That is why they allowed to be mainstream...Egyptians was well aware about wheel and machinery.

Hey, at least we agree on this. Congratulations, you've now waded into conspiracy theory territory.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

Replicating them in what material, and how accurate are they?

The oldest Egyptian works are the most impressive, and subsequent Egyptians worked in softer stone with less precision. Even modern Egyptians only work in soft stone. They don't work in granite. Again, Ben with UnchartedX has videos showing the modern stoneworkers, what materials they use, and how much less accurate it is compared to the most ancient works.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't care what some blogger explains. I know that I can do it.

Mainstream historians and Egyptologists also claim the pyramids were built by hand, without the use of the wheel, and the Egyptians quarried and carved stone with stone pounders and copper chisels. When they were asked to show how this was done, they pounded on stones for less than a day, and proclaimed victory for their paper thin theory, when they made almost no progress.

I could easily make similar granite vase on my metalworking lathe using dremel equipped with diamond disk instead of regular cutter.

No one ever said ancient peoples couldn't work in granite. The problem is working granite (and other hard stone) to extremely fine detail. How tight are the tolerances of your works? Are they within micron tolerances? Are the lines and curves of your works all related to each other, geometrical ratios?

It is possible to make partial arcs on surface (for handles, f.e.) rotating stock by incomplete turn

LOL. Okay. So you're just eyeballing the material removal between the handles. Like I said, even those surfaces are within micron level tolerances. You can't do that by eyeballing it, even on the most accurate lathe in the universe. Just your heartbeat would incur more error than what is seen in these vases. Do you know what a micron is? 1 micron = .001 mm.

In ancient times such things highly probably was made on hand-driven lathe of basic construction with rotating bronse disk/ball with sand melted in as cutting tool.

Egyptologists have tested sawing to cut rock using copper saws with sand abrasives. Do you know how well it worked? They made almost no progress. Using that technique, it would've taken way, waaay longer to produce what was made, and with less accuracy.

Also, I don't know if you know this, but mainstream historians still claim the ancient Egyptians built everything they did without the use of the wheel, and without the use of the lathe. They claim the Egyptians built everything they did with a few copper tools (not everyone had them), stone tools, and diorite pounding stones (hard rocks shaped in a sphere used to literally pound away at a softer rock to remove material, LOL)...that's it. I've worked in a quarry before. Even using steel tools (which massively increases efficiency over copper and stone tools) incurs repetitive stress injuries, when that's all you do every day all day.

Once upon a time, being child I was very enthusiastic in all that "advaced ancient technology" bullshit too. But with time, I got a knowledge and expirience of how things work and how they made. I learned to work on different machines and use different tools. And now, all that "advanced ancient technologies" are nothing more than simple job done with simple tools.

Weird, as I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. I've worked with my hands most of my life. I know what can be achieved by hand, and what can't. I know when a job requires more advanced technology. I'm not the only one saying this with regard to the ancient Egyptian stonework, either. Numerous people who've worked with rock their entire lives have repeated my sentiments.

Again, you clearly haven't watched the video. This isn't the only consideration, either. Ben with UnchartedX has been detailing the anomalies of ancient cultures for years, and has tons of evidence to back up his claims. He has pictures and videos of saw marks, tube drills (which can drill faster than we can replicate today), scooping machines (see Egyptian quarry work), articulated grinders, and unknown machines that could smooth surfaces of rock en masse, even inside fine corners.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

True, but like I said, that would require several tool changes, which would incur error into the final results, usually compounding the error (anyone that's polished too much material away in the beginning stages knows this, especially when dealing with extremely tight tolerances/precision). You can't polish stone (or any material) with just one grit. Getting them as smooth as these vases are requires one tool to remove material in bulk, then numerous grits of progressing fineness to polish it, all of which is a tool change. And, again, this is even ignoring the fact that the people that created these had access to modern computers, computer design software, and sophisticated multi axis machinery, which competes with what we have today. The accuracy with which these things were created can't be done by hand.

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ApexVeritas 5 points ago +5 / -0

If you'd bother to watch the video, he (Ben with UnchartedX) explains that it would be impossible to create these things on lathes, even modern ones. He's made several videos on this subject so far, because of how astonishing it is.

You can't lathe granite, as it is incredibly hard and has occlusions in it which will break under a lathe. Softer rocks, maybe, but not granite, or the other harder rocks that were used to make these pieces. Furthermore, all of these vases have handles, and even the curves between and part of the handles are insanely accurate (within a few microns of accuracy). There's also been further analysis of the 3D scans of some of these vases (this project only started a few months ago, by the way, and these are only the first few vases they've scanned), showing that all of the measurements and curvatures are mathematically related, often in relation to mathematical and geometric constants, even among the smallest curves in the handles, where the radii are less than 1mm. They're so accurate they can't be made by hand, and the only way we can make them today is with the best computer driven machines with multi axis capabilities, utilizing computer driven software. Even then, most modern machines introduce more error into their work than is seen in these vases, just from a simple tool change, which would be required to replicate these vases.

Truly, these vases could only be produced in a computer, with design software, and manufactured with highly precise sophisticated machines, which we have trouble replicating today...and there's tens of thousands of these vases. I've worked with rock before, for years, by hand, with hammers, chisels, saws, polishers, and other machinery. If anyone thinks these vases can be made by hand, they're deluded.

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ApexVeritas 6 points ago +6 / -0

Good video. Lots of Biblical and historical connections and details, making connections to lots of stuff, including Mossad, Epstein, the U.S. government, aid to Israel, etc.

The narrator still makes the "not all jews" argument, and even though he admits that Leon Trotsky (changed his name from Levy Bronstein) invented the term "racist" as a form of control, the narrator still uses "hate speech", "racist", and "antisemitic" to describe a picture of what Trotsky, Lenin, and all the other Bolshevik jews did to the ethnically White Russians.

With regard to the "not all jews" argument, the website Christogenea makes a really good argument that jews are descendants of Esau, who race mixed (which was forbidden by God) with Canaanites, a people cursed by God, a people who God commanded us to kill, down to the last man, woman, and child, otherwise they would remain a thorn in our side for all time. Esau's children became the Edomites, who took over Judea at the time of Christ, both politically and religiously. It was these Edomites that Jesus spoke out against, and these Edomites which crucified Jesus. Modern jews act identically to these Edomites. They hate Jesus and blaspheme against God, writing the Talmud to legalese their way out of God's edicts, often interpreting scripture to mean the exact antithesis to what God commanded, they're the most vociferous anti-Christians, they're money lenders (bankers), they subvert institutions and take control from within, corrupt them and turn them to evil, and they worship Saturn (the 6 pointed star on the Israeli flag is the star of Remphan/Saturn/Satan). Jesus called them children of the devil, who is the father of lies, and they do as their father. The most central tenet of globalist (mostly jewish) philosophy is to lie; lying is the easiest way to identify them. They also continue the old Canaanite/Babylonian Saturn cult practices, which involves things like child sacrifice and sexual degeneracy (aka abortion, hedonism, LGBTQ, transgenderism, porn, pedophilia, all things pushed by jews, both currently and historically, like in Weimar Germany). For those that don't know, Saturn worship goes under many names, including Moloch, Baal, Remphan, Chiun, and Kiyyun, as well as most likely being the derivation for Satan. Bohemian grove, which is attended by politicians of the left and right, worships Moloch. Pizzagate turned up identical stuff in both D.C. and Hollywood, with blatant Satan worship, pedophilia, child kidnapping, rape, torture, murder, and cannibalism. One of the main reasons jews have been kicked out of so many places is they were caught kidnapping, raping, torturing, murdering, and eating children. Even the jews not directly participating in it helped to cover it up. In essence, they're a cursed people.

Still, this is a good video for people to watch. Veterans will probably learn something, and it's a good primer for Saturn/Satan worship in government, banking, media, Hollywood, freemasonry, Israel, and jews, and it's easier for normies to swallow because it makes the "not all jews" argument.

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

You mean jews would just lie on the internet? I'm shocked!

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

If zinc has helped me get better, it's been so negligible I haven't noticed. I've tried multiple different brands to no avail. Some people respond better than others to supplementation, and need different things.

In any case, zinc hasn't helped me recently, either. Even regular cold/flu medicine which helps to combat symptoms isn't as effective, either. Like I said, this crap is weird.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

I just got sick, again, with a nasty chest cold this week, after getting over a nasty chest cold last month. Both have resulted in a relentless dry cough, which becomes quite painful and takes a long time to go away.

Lots of weird stuff about this crud.

(1) I haven't been sick in 5ish years, and now I've been sick twice in two months.

(2) I never, ever get chest colds. Back when I did get sick, it was only ever a cold of the nasal area, which usually turned into a sinus infection after a week, which took another week or two to get better from (I've been susceptible to sinus infections ever since I worked in a horrible job site without a dust mask many many years ago).

(3) I rarely developed a cough when I got sick, and if I did it was mild and only lasted a day or two.

(4) Taking high doses of vitamin D3 and C doesn't help, even though it's helped tremendously on all previous infections when began doing it, in reducing symptoms and getting better quicker.

(5) It's reduced my appetite, which never happens to me when I get sick. Nothing feels appetizing and eating seems to make the symptoms worse.

(6) It's made me really weak. I have almost no energy, I'm really sore like I just did a marathon, and I can barely move. This stuff has knocked me on my ass, unlike any other cold I've experienced.

Several of my family members have gotten this, whatever this is, over the last month. I definitely give credence to the possibility that the fuckers in power are releasing more genetically engineered bioweapons on the public, whether by air or water. There's already tons of precedence for this and they're straight up evil anyway.

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

Makes me wonder if that story about the woman astronaut going crazy, drilling holes, and shitting up the place is true.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's not what I asked you. I asked for specific parts of the Bible that say the earth is flat. I'm open to being proven wrong. Please post the relevant parts.

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