You don't always need to overtly censor stuff to ruin a forum. This forum gets a similar treatment to r/conspiracy and 4chan/pol. After 2016, r/conspiracy and 4chan/pol were inundated with shills constantly shitting on conspiracy theories, theorists, and genuine users, wildly manipulating vote totals, preventing genuine discussion (posting porn and useless topics on 4chan), and driving genuine users away. This forum is experiencing something similar, to a lesser degree. There are quite a few "users" here doing the same thing as the shills on r/conspiracy and 4chan, which have mostly been captured and ruined.
Nice try.
It's the truth. You're free to disagree at your leisure, but disagreement with truth doesn't change it. I use social media how it suites me, not how you want me to.
Then how come you replied to u/crusaderpepe yesterday? Did you forget that I replied to you yesterday?
I sometimes will go back to specific discussions because I found them interesting. However, the bulk of replies I get are answered all at once, in one day.
Also, nice try to add a comment 15 days after you were demolished in this discussion.
Just because you disagree doesn't mean I was "demolished". That's not how truth works. You again reveal that you place yourself above truth, above God, thinking that anything that escapes your lips is sacrosanct, above challenge, truth by its very nature. Wrong! That's hubris! It isn't just unChristian, it's anti-Christian. You deny your own faults and place yourself above God. If you continue to act and believe in this way, you are damned.
See? You don't even bother to read what I already provided in this conversation. Go back to the start of this comment thread and read it again - it's all there already.
I'm well aware of what you already posted. I was wanting you to give more nuance and explanation, out of the remote possibility that you might not believe what you've been arguing for this entire time. Thus far, you've unabashedly argued that Christians should be peaceful, no matter what. You've not refined that argument once in this entire "debate".
Any Biblical passage I post (I fixed it for your benefit) is "from the devil"? How many Biblical passages are from the devil then? Was he adding passages? I wasn't even aware...
You do know that satan quotes scripture, right? He does so to confuse Christians, to lead us astray with false interpretations, so he can worm his way into our lives and destroy us. A false interpretation of scripture is a lie, a falsehood, and is of the devil, and requires rebuke.
Furthermore, the passages you quoted were taken out of context, and didn't mean what you suggested they meant. The Bible, Jesus, nor God argue for Christians to be peaceful no matter what. I provided numerous alternative explanations for the passages you quoted, and provided context to them, and then posted numerous more passages which directly refute your assertion that God and Jesus demands we be peaceful no matter what.
I am 99% sure that u/apexveritas won't reach this far in my comment, so that's written only to anyone, who has gotten so far in the comments.
Wrong. Your hubris shows itself again. Predict the future and fail.
38 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well;…
Wait... You claim I didn't read what you wrote, and yet you try to quote Matthew 5:38-40 again? You flaming hypocrite.
I already disproved that passage was arguing for pacifism. I posted 2 (out of many times many) links which directly refute what you're arguing, and numerous alternative explanations for that passage. Go up a few comments and reread (look for the blue links). But, here, let me post them for you again:
https://www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.html
None of us can change the word of God in Revelation, so there is no point in going against the goats. Our work is to gather the sheep and protect the sheep!
On this, we agree. The word of God is truth itself. Truth is immutable, it doesn't change. Nothing we say contrary to it will change it. Logic, the mathematical rules, the scientific rules, the constants of the universe, none of them change. As an aside, logic is the one way we can divine truth with 100% certainty, and sound logic doesn't change either. What's true is true, and will always be true. This is why God wins, and satan loses. God is truth, and satan is lies and falsehoods. Victory can only be attained by alignment with truth (God).
Also, I find it ironic that you said what you did in the 2nd sentence, as "protect" necessarily requires that good men sometimes utilize violence to protect what we love, what is good and truthful.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
I'm not sure if you're misquoting scripture again. In the chance that you are...
That passage doesn't mean that faith alone is enough. Works, by themselves, aren't enough, because as mortal, finite, imperfect beings we're all sinful and fall short of the worthiness of God. This is why Jesus had to sacrifice Himself for our salvation. The Bible, numerous times, says that faith without works is dead, that it's not enough. We, as Christians, if we have faith, should be doing works as well, in accordance with God, for God, because God is with us. Here's some passages that talk about it:
James 2:14-26
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Titus 2:7-8
7 In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness 8 and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.
1 Corinthians 4:2
4 who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
Matthew 16:24-25
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
1 Corinthians 3:10-15
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born. 9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.
I think it's more a reference to what the mods on TheDonald (and the site admins) censor.
That user couldn't have made it more obvious that they have no clue about any conspiracies around 9/11, or anything else about the "war on terror".
The person you're replying to, I'm fairly certain, is a discord shill, trying to sow chaos in the forum. Every interaction he has with people here is to stir up drama and shit, to piss people off and drive them away. Peruse his comment history as proof.
Nothing you said isn't hateful driven.
HAHAHAHAHA. I don't care. Hate isn't inherently wrong.
Not even a citation.
You don't need a citation for sound consistent logic.
You're a waste of space.
We all are. We all fall short of the perfection of God. Fortunately, we were redeemed by Christ, and I have faith in Him, and follow in His footsteps.
Your willingness to make extreme comments because, " this is an extreme site" is enemy within.
Oh okay, you're just trolling. Thanks. Have a wonderful weekend. And thanks for the laughs.
Are you aware manosphere agreed with the Islamic State attempted terrorist attack in Vienna? Is that where you align yourself?
Uhhhh, no. Like I said, "I'm not manosphere or MGTOW".
Show me where in the above linked information you find an error.
They're poorer and dumber because they're not White. Also, I don't care what non-whites do in their own countries, so long as they leave us the hell alone. I'm a nationalist, which by the very root word definition, means I'm an ethno nationalist.
Removing education, and rights for women make stupid children including boys.
No it doesn't. If empowered women and feminism produced a better society, education rates wouldn't be tanking in the U.S. for decades. Every single society on earth, for thousands of years, has rightfully curtailed specific "rights" of women, because they're inherently emotional and empathetic, and less logical than men. This doesn't mean women are "oppressed", just that they're not given rights that they shouldn't have, since men and women are biologically different, physically and mentally, and fulfill different roles in the species. Trying to equate unequal things as being equal is the sign of indoctrination and/or stupidity. Egalitarianism is a lie by the people in power.
I have no time for dumb shit.
Weird, neither do I. But, I often entertain woefully wrong people in debate because it provides multiple benefits.
I've pointed out your logical errors.
No you didn't. Linking to two articles doesn't disprove anything. Linking the two articles you did, specifically, didn't disprove anything I said.
If you choose to ignore it, that's on you.
Yes, it is. And I'm fine with that. I sleep soundly, because my ideas are vetted, well challenged, very well thought over, and honed sharp. I've spent every night from 15 to early 30s waking up in the middle of the night obsessing about philosophical problems, for several hours, resulting in an average of 1-5 hours of sleep every night for all of those years. I slowly learned the answers to them, though.
But again, what you levy against me is more suited to you.
You are choosing to make extreme comments online aligning yourself with terrorists.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you lost? This entire site and this forum are labelled "extremist" by the people in power. I don't care one iota what you or my enemies label me as. I care what I actually am, objectively.
Not too bright.
You don't own a mirror, do you?
I'm not manosphere or MGTOW (although they're correct on a lot of things, just not on the solutions). Are you suggesting I'm wrong, that feminism isn't destructive, because "Taliban"? It's hard to tell because your reply was terse.
We absolutely need more kids, just the right kind. Every White nation (and several non-white) that have embraced feminism, has resulted in a birth rate below 2.1. Feminism is the primary cause, because it pushes women into the workforce en masse during their most fertile years, to "pursue their careers". It also makes coupling harder, as women are naturally hypergamous, meaning they'll only be attracted to men that make more money than them, and if society is forced to pay women the same as men, women automatically remove 50% of men from the dating pool.
Thus, White women are only prompted to have kids when they're in their late 20s or early 30s, when their biological clock is ticking down and they've been on birth control since hitting puberty (which also causes huge problems with fertility), and their chances of landing a good man and having more than 2 healthy kids is abysmal.
This results in a low birth rate, so the hand rubbing people in power can claim we don't have enough workers, so they can then open the borders and mass immigrate millions upon millions of non-whites, to "do the jobs we don't want to do" (even though we've been doing those jobs ourselves all along). It's called the Kalergi plan, the intentional replacement and genocide of White people.
Every step of this process is planned and intentional by the people in power. Feminism, every stage of it, birth control, open borders, mass non-white immigration, all of it.
You want to fix the birth rates? Get rid of feminism. Want to fix feminism? <fedpost> the people in power. Nothing else will fix it.
I'm not sure on the nuclear war, or them planning a big war of any kind. Too many men are refusing to cooperate with their thoroughly corrupted nations (governments), in the West and non-West. I know they want to reduce population numbers, but I figure they'd do it more through pandemic routes.
As for nuclear war, specifically, it would run completely contrary to their Kalergi plan goals. Western cities are mostly non-white now. It's where most of the non-whites live. If you go into rural areas, they're still mostly, if not entirely, White. A nuclear war results in cities and military bases being targeted, the exact locations globohomo doesn't want to be destroyed. They need the military to enforce their edicts and to quell coming dissident movements among the people, and they need cities for the non-whites and Kalergi plan.
As for the rest of your comment, I agree. Perhaps the people in power are just so filled with hubris that they think they can't lose, and are pushing us toward their own destruction because of it. It's difficult to tell. But, since all of them are evil, hypocrites, and liars, they're plans aren't truthbound, so are doomed to fail.
The petro dollar and America's ability to enforce it has waned a great deal, and continues to weaken. With it, one of the critical ways to fund globohomo is decreasing, so they have to rely more on money printing, which is further fucking all economies reliant on the petro dollar. This is probably why so many countries are starting to trade for oil with other currencies and hoarding gold. In the past, countries that did this would get (((freedomized))) by the U.S. military, but they're not right now, which is a big indicator for how weakened the globalist military arm has become.
This economic downturn and the coming collapse is obvious to anyone with half a brain, though. The people in power can't keep injecting diversity and mass immigration of non-whites into White countries (the Kalergi plan) and expect everything White people built to remain functioning. All of Western civilization (not just the economy) is headed toward collapse because White people are being replaced, not getting hired in critical infrastructure, and taxed into destitution, while White people are the only demographic in White countries (other than Asians) which are net taxpayers. Every aspect of Western civilization is getting diversified and retarded, and in critical infrastructure, is causing failures, deaths, and weakening of globohomo along with everyone else.
The big question is how much of this is anticipated by the hand rubbing people in power, and if they have counter plans for the collapse. This is because civilizational collapse will enable the dissident voices, which have thus far been censored and quelled, to gain massive traction, organization, and manpower, as well as robbing the globalists of all their power structures and propaganda outlets. This will result in them losing, big time. So, what counter plans do they have, if any? That's what we have to prepare for, beyond the normal prepping we should already be doing.
They're false saviors, propped up and offered to us by the people in power, as a control mechanism.
The primary control mechanism is the false left/right political dichotomy. It gives people the illusion of choice, of resistance, but in a carefully curated Overton window which is entirely controlled by the people in power. Over time, people will wake up to the illusion, and wander off the plantation. When these lost sheep get big enough, they have the power to stay things, and will often form their own political parties (like Occupy Wallstreet, the Tea Party, the Libertarian party). These parties, if not subverted at the very outset, become subverted through infiltration, moving the party back into the frame of the Overton window, neutering it, preventing the people within it from effectually resisting.
The lost sheep are also offered false saviors, who speak like the lost sheep, to capture their support, but over time will move the lost sheep back toward the Overton window.
There are clear indicators if a person is genuine, and if they're worthy of trust and loyalty from us lost sheep. We have to be wise and discerning to figure out who is who, so we don't waste our time or support. That, and we must openly and loudly reject the false saviors, to warn others, and potential, genuine leaders must rise and offer their services, of their own volition, because we desperately need them. Leaders act as condensation points and rallying points, where the individual members may be hopeless, the collectivization provides power and voice.
Even "free speech" websites like Gab are now paywalling older content (only the most recent 2 months for free Gab users with a profile, and 1 week for non users). Free Gab users can't even access their own content, which they posted to the site. Torba is increasingly proving himself to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. This change essentially removes all content older than the perpetual "now", unless you pay Torba shekels.
You have repeatedly refused to address any of the Biblical passages or logical refutations on the failures of pacifism. To limit my social media use, I wait to reply to my notifications on one day, often waiting a week or two, doing it on a day where I have the free time to do it. Some of us can't spend our entire lives online. We have other priorities. This website, and most social media sites, facilitate long form interactions, because they don't delete old posts or comments. We can, at will, choose to come back to a conversation, or revive an old one, whenever we choose. But, back to the topic at hand:
Let's start at the beginning.
What, EXACTLY, are you arguing for? Do you advocate that good men, Christian men, never, ever, become violent, even to protect themselves, their children, their wives, their fellow Christians, or their neighbors?
I'm advocating that good men, Christian men, are absolutely called to be peaceful, when peace is called for, when peace is the best option. However, such men should, and are justified, to be violent against people who wish to corrupt, subvert, harm, and destroy them, their family, their people, or the truth itself.
I've seen pkvi for a while now. I've never seen him advocate for dismantling every single thing, including the good things. Even in the instance you linked to, it's more likely a passionate but less defined response than an actual position you're claiming he espouses. To be fair, though, he could believe in that, but, given all the other interactions, posts, and comments I've seen of him, I highly doubt that's the case. The worst thing that can be said of him is that he title gores his post titles.
Debates are nearly impossible to have in a free for all, where the entire crowd participates. You'll notice that all formal debates are organized with 2 parties, and a larger crowd of observers. I thought this was common knowledge?
This is the specific post where the debate occurred:
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17txMXkPyd/st-john-chrysostom-on-how-to-dea/c
This is the specific thread for the debate:
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17txMXkPyd/st-john-chrysostom-on-how-to-dea/c/4ZDrsKiNDUv
Yeah, please check the comments that u/ApexVeritas "can't provide at the moment"...
I've provided numerous Biblical passages which prove my position. All of which u/Neo1 didn't refute. He instead takes very few specific passages, uses them to mean what he wants them to mean, when they have numerous alternate meanings, which I provided, and proclaims victory.
Observe how he can't respond to quotes from the Bible, just like you can't do it.
The linked thread in question proves the opposite, and anyone is free to read it for themselves. You claiming otherwise is more testament that you're a subversive, antithetical to truth, and put yourself above God/truth. Good people don't claim the sky isn't blue, that water isn't wet, and yet, here you are (again), denying blatant observable truths, all to fellate yourself.
Public discourse (whether good or bad) enables observers to learn something, about the viewpoints of each party, about the parties themselves, about the topic, and how they view it.
The person you're replying to is a pacifist "christian". I was in a debate with him and he ignored every single point of logic about righteous people being justified in being violent against people hurting them, and every single instance in the Bible where Jesus and God condoned violence by righteous people. If you dig into my profile back a few weeks, you'll find the debate.
At some point, the corruption can get so deep that only violence will fix it. None of us want to completely dismantle society just to root out the evil. We just acknowledge that the evil is now so entrenched that a lot of damage will have to be done to root it out.
Unless we're just talking past each other. Do you see any alternative? Also, where did you see the OP advocate for complete societal dismantling?
I think OP is referring to the "system" as the current corrupted, satanic, globalist, ((())) system, which needs to be destroyed.
Trump is a false messiah, another outlet of control used against right wingers who strayed off the mainstream right wing plantation, which perfectly explains his behavior.
He was an establishment Democrat right up until he ran for office in 2016, and ran in all the same circles with the worst people in D.C. Hollywood, and media (you'll know a man by the company they keep). Then, he said all the right things to win over the dissident right during his 2016 campaign. His rhetoric was even used to fear monger and strengthen the establishment left. He corralled all the dissident right under his banner, and over time, has weakened his positions on everything, bringing them more in line within the Overton window of the globohomo uniparty. He also intentionally surrounded himself with "backstabbers", and still does, people who intentionally sabotaged his presidency, giving him plausible deniability for why his policies failed. Under Trump, the right wing has accepted fags and trannies, expressed more support for Israel, and again, has turned the right wing into "big tent" politics, arguing that White people must accept browns if we're to survive, or win another election. It's ridiculously obvious to anyone even remotely familiar with the Kaleri plan.
As this slow slide of MAGA back to globohomo continues, as his betrayals continue and get bigger, he'll continue to lose support among White people. He's already lost the racist and actual dissident Whites. Normal White guys are next. White women, low T men, and boomers will be his last supporters, with a sprinkling of non-whites and fags for token points, just like the Republican party is right now.
They say he's going to win the 2024 election big time, but he may very well lose a big chunk of the White male vote, compensated by useful idiot non-whites who'll vote for him just so they can survive the hyper inflation in the current economy.
If you seek only to justify your rage and ego - go ahead.
If it's true, it's justified. I've justified everything I've said thus far with logic and with Biblical passages, many of them. Just because you deny it doesn't make it false.
I will try my best to remain meek.
On this, I will cast judgment upon you. You won't be meek. You don't even know what it means. You will be prideful and antagonistic against God. You will demand He adhere to your whims, and not you adhere to Him. You will follow your own course, and fail in kind. Only in failure, of being broken, will you ever come to see the light of God. I have no control over your course. Only you do, in pursuit of current course, in needless misery, and defiance of God, through your own choices. I've given you the option, the knowledge to correct course. It's up to you to change. Free will, after all, is the only way we can be rightly judged. Your decisions are your own.
With all your boasting, you have 6 posts in here... You're such a "warrior of justice"... Perhaps I should delete 90% of my posts to be more like you?
Delete nothing. Even errors toward pursuit of truth are worthy to follow. And, again, you cast stones at me not knowing. Keep flinging, your stones do not hurt.
None of the verses gives you the right to be violent...None of the verses say that YOU should be violent.
It's rather remarkable how defiant people can be when presented with truth. I could tell you the sky is blue, present every logical, scientific, and observable fact to you, and you would stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and scream as loudly as possible, hoping the truth went away. That's not how truth works. It is ever present, ever judgeful, just as God, because they are the same and of the same. Denial of truth is denial of God. Not knowing one is to not know the other.
You are so prideful in your denials that you've missed the bigger picture. You have placed yourself above truth, above God, demanding both be subservient to you. In the place of God, there you dwell, claiming yourself to be God, ever boastful and prideful. In your height of folly, so too will you fall greatly. That is what awaits your course. I warn you, but, your actions are your own.
If you only knew the real battle is won through the truth, not by a sword, or simple arrogance...
I've attempted to explain to you, in detail, through logic and Biblical passages, that violence is not inherently wrong, that good people can be violent and be just, righteous, and adhere to God's commands. And yet, you still deny, because you place yourself above God. It's rather odd that you say "real battle is won through the truth", which is true, but then you wholly deny the truth. You claim to be righteous, but cut out every part of you which is righteous, and replace where you once were with hypocrisies and idols of Saturn.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
You, again, intentionally misinterpret the Bible to support your own position. You're not acting like a Christian. You're acting like a child of the devil, who is the father of lies, the antithesis of God. You think the Bible can mean whatever you want it to mean. You demand God adhere to your own assertions, and not you to His.
Matthew 16:24-25 means precisely what I've been telling you. You can't pursue Jesus/God while prioritizing yourself above them, above truth. You have to accept when you're wrong, and adjust accordingly when you find out you erred. You can't learn when you're prideful, which you are. You can't admit wrong when you proclaim perfection, which you are. You can't improve when you think you're never wrong, which you are.
You must accept you've sinned, to know of your imperfections, and try to overcome them, to prioritize and pursue truth, to embody it, to come closer to God. To "take up one's cross" is to bear the burden that comes with pursuing truth, to pursuing perfection. to pursuing God. Sinning is easy. Perfection is hard, and for us it's impossible, but a cross we must bear. To "save their life will lose it" but "whoever loses their life for me will find it" literally means that life, for the sake of life, leads to ruin, but life, in pursuit of truth, in pursuit of God, will be saved (i.e. live). This is why, philosophically, we must prioritize truth above life. If we prioritize life above truth, we sacrifice truth and inevitably die; and is also what corrupted modern philosophy teaches, through various means, like with feminism (the inversion of the natural patriarchal order and the philosophical pursuits of men and women, of truth and life respectively). The Bible, explicitly and implicitly, many, many times, says that Jesus/God are truth incarnate, or that truth is Their will in this universe. Reread the Bible, and every time you see Jesus/God, replace their name with "truth", and the passages will make more sense. To deny truth, is to deny Jesus/God. Matthew 16:26 means that pursuing our own interests, our own power, our own greed, will result in ruin (our soul will be damned), but pursuing God, pursuing, truth, will save us.
Are you ready to die for Christianity, or live for your ego?
There's only one person here who knows what it means to be Christian, and to let go of ego. It's not you.
It's not like I wish for things to be the way they are. I don't burn with rage at the way things are, I simply try to find out what is. I've changed my mind many times, and some of them core philosophical and foundational beliefs, so that I can adhere closer to truth, even within the last few years. Why? Because I was wrong. Because I prioritize truth above myself. I let go of my ego. I am a servant of God, and I know exactly what that means.
What have you changed your mind on lately?
A nose slowly appears from the depths, breaking the surface of the waves, rapidly approaching the swimmers, as terror mounts, and the gaping maw opens, yelling "OY VEY!"
The only evidence needed is to just drive on the roads.
I do agree with OP that the internet is filled with tons of bots and shills, and has been for a while.
However, there are absolutely a lot of stupid people out there. The whole NPC meme that hit a few years ago highlighted that a whole lot of people don't have inner monologues. Through extensive debates, that I've had and seen, to research into conspiracy theories, seeing how people react when their ideas are challenged, it's obvious that there's a large section of the population that aren't creative. They're more like human robots, that are programmed, and merely repeat what they've been programmed to. If you challenge their beliefs, they merely repeat their programming. You could present them mountains of evidence to the contrary, and they'd reject all of it, with ease. They even get angry at you for daring to change their programming.
At a certain level, it has to be wondered if that kind of person is somehow beneficial for human populations, because it's either a majority of the current population, or a very large segment, that it's somehow a genetically selected and predisposed behavior, somehow benefitting the species. Because, if society were healthy, these people would be (hopefully) parroting the truth, defending it. However, since the liars took control, all they do now is repeat and defend the lies. That, or what we're seeing is conditioned, meaning not natural, either through diet, chemicals, brainwashing, or a combination. It could also be a consequence of the rise and fall of civilization. When civilizations peak, the people are comfortable, with numerous barriers erected between themselves and nature. This prevents stupidity from being rightfully punished and weeded out. This stupidity grows, and will get big enough to weigh down civilization, where it will slowly at first, and then accelerate toward collapse, because of the stupid. This is almost always paired with corruption, too, where the corrupt take advantage of peak civilization, and gain/retain power through dumbing down the population, or intentionally trying to make us dumber, usually by feeding us lies.
In any case, objectively, there are a lot more stupid people put there today than there were 50 or 100 years ago. Then again, there are still also a great number of good people. It's just that they're largely drowned out by the stupid and/or censored and not on social media. Social media has enabled the stupid easier access to spreading their stupidity, and it's arguable that social media attracts the low and mid wits more, especially in the normie spheres of the internet, which makes it appear like the stupid is more common.