Thanks! u/Graphenium:
The worldview expressed in the Law of One/“Ra Material” and the Hidden Hand interview
https://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_081018
The way I see things, these two sources explain existence, the state of our world, and the meaning of life far more accurately than any other. One is a “channeled” work, and the other is a long series of Questions and Answers between a conspiracy forum (RiP ATS) and a self-proclaimed world-controller. I see them as complimentary, showing a deeper reality by showing two sides of the same coin. One side being that of Service-to-Others, and the other being Service-to-Self
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASG9Vy4Tl/round-table-suggestion-thread/c
Thread will stay open for 3-4 weeks thanks to a very helpful suggestion.
Hah, glad this squeaked past the line at the last minute. Like I said in the nomination thread, the “framework of existence” that these two “writings” (for lack of a better word, lol) present is the most wholistic, coherent, understandable “framework” I’ve ever come across. They deepened my understanding and appreciation of the Bible, but also…everything else. Art. Strife. “Spirituality”. Struggle. Love. Literally existence itself and all that encompasses is enriched, imo, if you really give these links a shot
They’re long reads! I admit it! But they're worth it. The Hidden Hand link offers two shorter “summary” versions, but I recommend skipping them and just reading the thread as it is, warts and all (it was, after all, basically an AMA between an illuminati member and r/Conspiracy lmao). And it looks a lot longer than it really is, since the format of a forum back and forth has a lot of extraneous text. Regarding the Ra Material/Law of One, just read as far as you can manage, I don’t expect anyone to read every word on that website lol, but atleast the first 20 or so “sessions” should start to give you an idea of that “framework” i was talking about.
Christianity teaches unity in diversity, not unity free from polarity.
Ultimately wrong may be an absence of right, but to ignore difference between absence and presence is to lose meaning.
Invention of "densities" and of billions of years is gnostic: irrational appeal to gnosis that may be true or false.
Claims of "trying" to speak in Egypt "with mixed results" also cast doubt, indicating the speaker's professed inabilities.
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hidan_of_Maukbeiangjow&oldid=1339650755
Christianity also teaches eternal enmity with those who harbor wrongdoing, not "friendship".
It teaches that the spiritual real and the natural real are complementary, not that the natural is unreal.
It teaches infinite intelligence does recognize its potential, in its teaching that unity contains diversity.
If it could not, we could not, nor could we speak of the hypothetical, for we are less than it.
But, since "recognizing potential" is ambiguous and almost meaningless, it's possible to define it in some acceptable way.
To say a subcreator receives freewill is to acknowledge it as a gift of the One Infinite Creator who has it unlimited.
To say a law becomes Logos and cocreates an array where it can know itself is to blur Creator Logos from subcreator logos.
To say Logos creates law of light to manifest matter thereby leaves unstated whether Logos is infinite energy or subenergy.
To say the Creator "steps down" to become Logos is similarly ambiguous without specifying identities and polarities.
To imagine a hierarchy separately creating universes, galaxies, and stars as if each independently belies observed reality.
Namely, we observe one universe unconnected to any other but all galaxies and stars are interconnected.
Thus making subcreators one with a Creator but "independent" belies their dependence on and in the one Logos universe.
The theory's point is to mediate Creation to middlemen and demote Yahweh (Being) from being Being to being a sub-sub.
Yahweh as angel follows angels' rules, not as sub-sub but as the writer of the rules who can use them better than any other.
So if Lucifer and Elders pretend they are equals, they can be tested by confrontation with Yahweh.
For Lucifer to portray Adam as devoid of freewill rather than freely obeying is to attribute Yahweh's plan to himself.
For Lucifer to portray his "fall" as being "here to help" recalls Screwtape's similar spin on why Lucifer "so rapidly departed".
Incidentally, to cite a no-polarity teaching as supporting an absolute-polarity teaching is flatly contradictory.
Lucifer then portrays Yahweh as creating the desire to sin, attributing his own work of warping desire to Yahweh.
He portrays Yahweh as unaware of the Tree's consequences rather than aware and actively limiting the amount of evil.
He portrays the offering of evil as the only direction and leadership, rather than an opportunity to obey as Christ did.
He portrays the only escape from pawn to promotion is via alliance with him, again attributing Yahweh's work to himself.
"Many of us do not mean you any harm" is a singular backhanded admission and revelation of method.
Referring "between lives" to antimatter is a singularly insidious inversion that would be a complete digression to debunk.
The three-way eschatological split is just guesswork in hopes of having something for future people to point to in the past.
Relatively comparing negative hell and lukewarm hell so as to make them look relatively good is the height of ignorance.
Declaring bare spirits as "greater" more "evolved" density than physicospiritual humans is another inversion of reality.
Glorification of the negative is mere Frankism and was long ago debunked in Romans 3.
Denial of a day of judgment, in favor of an infinite evolutionary probation, motivates lukewarmness and indecision, not action.
Ultimately, pursuing 95%+ negative polarity is not rewarded.
Bro, you don’t get the call the scientific consensus “irrational” nor an “appeal to gnosis”. Your young earth creationism is far more of an “appeal to secret knowledge”, considering all the holes in the story.
It’s called “free will of choice” bro, unless you look at Jesus on the cross and think to yourself “golly, that guy sure was inept! He couldn’t even convince those jews to pick his life over the life of a convicted murderer and thief!”
What is the polarity of Light again? Oh…non-polar you say? And all the matter in the universe is made of slowly vibrating light? Wow, you don’t say…
You give a big list of what “Christianity teaches” in an attempt to contrast it with the linked sources - I’d suggest you take a step back and understand those are simply lessons you’ve learned from other people.
Your points clearly indicate you didn’t read the links either. For example you say:
Uhhh, buddy, are we reading the same thing? The Capital H “Harvest” is one of the key points of the text. So it explains your little “Day of Judgement” far more wholistically than even you can, yet you frame it as “denial”. Odd…
There is no scientific consensus on existence of Venusians. However, the scientific consensus for all history has been recent creation, with the exception of a blip caused by a few folks who wanted to be identical to apes. All creation stories speak of order arising from outside, none speak of order gradually arising without direction by billions of steps that we don't have time for even in the evolutionary timeframe. And that's all beside the point because it's only about similarity between your or my worldview proposed and your or my scientific origin story, which isn't a final criterion.
Looking at Jesus's results as compared to Barabbas's or Ra's or anyone else's seems to uphold his view of freewill over theirs. That is a pretty good criterion.
We have two metaphors about light. One, God is light and in him is no darkness at all (nonpolar). Two, God dwells in inapproachable light and God dwells in deep darkness (polar). Thus unity in diversity.
When you speak of matter made of light you ignore the suppression of light via its absence of light (i.e. we're back at black holes after all). There is no light phenomenon detectable beyond the event horizon. So the fact that matter allows structures that locally preclude light suggests that we cannot speak of all being one in the sense of light and black hole being the same. But the nonpolarity teaching entails that they are ultimately the same in all respects, instead of teaching that light is creative and a black hole is nihilist.
Both Christianity and channelers are simply lessons learned from other people. I put the lessons of Christianity here because it's clear the channelers wish to contradict them. Only one half of a binary can be true. The channelers aren't out there saying "the Bible is true but the opposite is also true in a different sense"; they're saying the Bible isn't true. So I've already taken the step back. So far the conclusion by comparing the two isn't working out well for the gnostic channelers.
I read the summaries I quoted. The "harvest" theory says clearly if you don't choose then you can stay in your "third density" reincarnating indefinitely. That means no final judgment confirming you in either good or evil. Thanks for making an assumption about my ability to describe the day of judgment though. But, again, the idea of "evolve or don't, it's all one" is set up to contradict the Christian teaching of judgment by appointment.
As we progress, I'll probably come to a point where I can list all the differences and criteria and indicate a more comprehensive conclusion. All this is just to scratch the surface of the material as I have time and inclination. While the rest of the community reviews it (or ignores it), it might be wise for both of us to keep working on that brotherhood paradigm we've discussed. The Origenist method of reviewing everything no matter how repugnantly Grecian might help us here, even though I generally deprecate the method otherwise.
It’s funny how you flit between “the science on the rocks under our feet can’t be trusted!” and “let’s spin our wheels on black holes!”
I don’t want to start doing the thing where I have to copy and paste each sentence and respond to it with a one liner, so hopefully at some point in the next couple weeks you just give the actual texts an honest chance, holding back your judgements as much as humanly possible until you’re done reading, and then you’ll surely be inspired to write something from the standpoint of outreach and understanding rather than sterile “debunking”. For example your tact here:
In no place does the concept of “indefinitely” appear in the actual text.
Looking forward to that life-affirming, non-sterile approach
From the links (haven't read through it yet):
The Law of One
“I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.” (from session 4)
The Law of One material is a series of 106 conversations, called sessions, between Don Elkins, a professor of physics and UFO investigator, and Ra, speaking through Carla Rueckert. Ra states that it/they are a sixth-density social memory complex that formed on Venus about 2.6 billion years ago. Ra says that they are “humble messengers of the Law of One” and that they previously tried to spread this message in Egypt with mixed results.
The material was channeled by L/L Research (Carla Rueckert, Don Elkins, and Jim McCarty) between 1981 and 1984. It has been published in book form, and the books can be freely downloaded from L/L Research’s library or purchased from their online store or from Amazon*. The methodology that L/L Research used to contact Ra is described in detail in the introduction to the original Book I. See the books page for more information about the books. The original audio recordings are also available, as are audiobooks* and text-to-speech renditions. Audio information.
This website includes all of the questions and answers from the original books, as well as about 60 more questions and answers that were discovered in the Relistening Project. In 2018, L/L Research published The Ra Contact, a new version based on the Relistening Project.
This site was created and is maintained by Tobey Wheelock with permission from L/L Research to re-publish its copyrighted material.
Some or all of the sessions are also available in Polish, Czech, Spanish, Swedish, and with British spellings.
Creation Story
An Insider Tells Creation Story of Subjugation, Transformation of Earth
"Remember, always, that this is a beautiful game that we are playing here and co-creating together with our Infinite Creator. And that off stage (between lives), we are the very best of friends. No one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game. The game is not reality. Reality is reality. And you have the power to express your reality within the game, once you have learnt how to do so."
Below is a four-page summary of an unusual creation story which has touched many who read it deeply. It is from a highly unusual discourse with an anonymous individual who claims to be a deep insider. Besides presenting a unique creation story, most intriguing explanations are given as to why there is so much war and violence on our planet, and why many world leaders are so corrupt.
You are encouraged to be skeptical and open to higher guidance as you read this thought-provoking material, yet also open to the inspiration and wisdom shared. Take what works for you and leave the rest. And should this essay resonate with you, don't miss the 16-page version at this link to get the full impact of this material.
In the Beginning
In the beginning, there is the Infinite One. This is the source of All That Is. Infinite consciousness. Intelligent infinity. There is unity. Infinite intelligence and infinite energy – the two are one, and the potential for all creation is contained therein. Infinite intelligence does not recognize its potential. It is the undifferentiated absolute. This state of consciousness could be termed as "being". Infinite energy, in contrast, recognizes the potential of "becoming" all things. Infinite intelligence can be likened to the central heartbeat of life, and infinite energy to the spiritual life-blood which pumps out from the Creator to form the creation.
In effect, the Creator is a point of focused infinite consciousness expressing infinite intelligent energy. On focusing its infinite intelligence, the One Infinite Creator manifests intelligent energy which you could call the great central sun. It then divides itself into smaller portions of itself that can, in turn, experience themselves as creators or central suns, thus beginning the next step in the creational spiral. In other words, each central sun or creator is a step down in conscious awareness from the original "thought" of creation.
Creation is based upon three primary laws of the Infinite One: free will, love, and light. In the first law, the creator receives the free will to know and experience itself as an individuated, though paradoxically unified, aspect of the One. In the second, the initial law of free will becomes a focus point of awareness known as Logos, or love, which uses its infinite intelligent energy to co-create a vast array of physical manifestations which will best offer the range of potential experiences in which it can know itself. To manifest this infinite spiritual or life-force energy into a physical form, Logos creates the third law of light. Wherever thus exists any form of physical matter, there is light, love, and divine intelligent energy at its core.
So using the law of free will, the One Infinite Creator steps down its infinite energy to become Logos. Logos designs vast universes of space, stepping down and splitting itself into an array of sub-Logos, each of which becomes a co-creator of its own universe. Each universal Logos then designs and creates its own version of physical reality by focusing its intelligent energy to create, for instance, the form of galaxies within itself. Stepping down again, each galactic Logos can split itself into yet further co-creator portions (sub-sub-Logos), which can then design and manifest their own ideas of physical reality, as in the form of stars and planets.
Yahweh, Lucifer, and the Ruling Bloodlines
We are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator, but rather by our own Logos, sub-Logos, or sub-sub-Logos. Your creator, the one who has been called Yahweh, is not "God" inasmuch as your Bible refers to him as being the one true God. He is "a" creator (or sub-sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not a galactic level Logos, but rather is the planetary Logos for this one planet. Yet ultimately, all are a part of the One. And either consciously or unconsciously, all are exercising their free will to create.
I am a generational member of a ruling bloodline family. Our lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity. Our creator is the one you refer to as Lucifer, "the Light Bearer". Our creator is not "the Devil", as has been portrayed in some religious texts. Lucifer is what you would call a "group soul" which has evolved to the level of the sixth density (dimension or plane of existence). At one point our bloodline families, as a group soul, were on the verge of seventh density ascension. At this level, we had the choice to progress higher, or to return to help others of lower densities with their evolution. Having made our decision to stay and help, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the guardians of this galaxy.
Yahweh, due to the fact that he had not handed down his own free will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon his planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. In the absence of free will, there can be no polarity, and therefore, nothing to choose between. As is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the Earth was very Edenic in nature. Sure, it was a lovely paradise, yet the beings incarnating here had no agitator toward evolving beyond the third density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey home to the One.
So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "fell", or descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a third density manifestation of ourself. Yahweh had agreed to our coming. In fact, it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "catalyst" of change to enter into his creation. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of free will to Earth's inhabitants by offering them an initial choice. Hence, "The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" (or more accurately, the knowledge of polarity – of positive and negative).
Yahweh then takes his inhabitants to a new "garden". He tells them they can do anything they like except eating from the Tree of Knowledge, thus creating in them the desire to do the one thing they are told they cannot. Hence, a "choice". We provide the catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining knowledge. They then choose to eat from the tree, and the rest is history.
Yahweh thought that his "children" would still choose to obey him. When he discovered they did not, he became angry. As is described in his scriptures, he is a jealous God. He did not like it that his children had chosen to disobey him and follow our advice. Yet our group soul was already committed to being here for a predefined set of cycles to help provide the catalyst for human evolution, namely by offering you the negative option, or that which you choose to call "evil".
And so from the earliest times of recorded history and beyond, our group soul has been directing the play from behind the scenes. We are born to lead. It is part of the design for this current paradigm. People in this world are seen as collateral – pawns that are maneuvered around the chess board according to the game plan. But contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm. We know that you are divine souls, sparks or seeds of the One Infinite Creator. You are life itself, remembering and learning who you really are. There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold.
The Game of Life
All of this is a very intricate and skillfully designed game, whereby the One Infinite Creator plays the game of forgetting who it is, so that it can learn to remember, and thus experience itself as Creator, all the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage and between lives (zero-point time/antimatter universe), we are all great friends, brothers and sisters in the One. Between lives we all have a good laugh about the parts we have performed in the "play" and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out.
The planet will complete its ascension to the fourth density, the vibrational density of love. During this ascension, there will be a three-way split for those souls inhabiting Earth. We (Lucifer) will create a new fourth density Earth, based on the negative service to self polarity. Those of the predominantly positive polarity (love and light) will ascend to a beautiful new fourth density Earth of positive service to others polarity. In contrast, the majority of humans on the earth will be transported to another third density planet (a kind of Earth replica), to continue working upon themselves and learning that life here is all about making choices.
We (Lucifer) have to be self-service centered to an extreme degree in order to fulfill our mission and become negatively harvested. It is our contract, which has always been to help you by providing the catalyst of free will and choice. If we do not make a high enough negative percentage, we will miss out and end up with the majority "lukewarm" percentage that have to go through another cycle in third density. By attaining a negative harvest, we can still "graduate" to fourth density, only it will be a negative polarity planet where we must work off all the negativity we have caused upon this planet. We will do this for a cycle in our new fourth density world and then be freed to once again be the glorious being of light that we truly are.
Remember that ultimately, this is a game that we are all playing here. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that when you incarnate, you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all "real" whilst you are playing the game of life. Forgetting is an essential prerequisite for you to make choices that help you to grow. Otherwise, the game would be too easy.
We are not born with the same veil of forgetfulness as you are. The veil is still in place, but would most accurately be described as being somewhat thinner. We see the invisible connections of life which are hidden from you, because we retain access to more than just the third density perspective. This is because you are working your way up, whereas we have chosen to step down in order to help you. We could not do this as successfully if we had to forget all that we have learned.
In order to be successful in the game, we must be as negatively polarized as possible – service to self in the extreme. Violence, war, hatred, greed, enslavement, genocide, torture, moral degradation, prostitution, drugs; all these things and more serve our purpose in the game. In all these negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it that is important. We give you the tools. You have the free will choice how you will use them. You have to learn to take responsibility.
There is only one of us here. Understand that and you will understand the game. As you do unto others, so you do to yourself. The difference between you and us, in the game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the game, the more "senseless" living becomes.
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More on Our Family
The world of my own Family is very different from that of the lower, Earth-based bloodlines. Whilst our training growing up was very strict and disciplined, we were never abused in any way. We grew up with the bigger picture and didn't need any other motivation. The Earth bloodlines are not aware of the bigger picture. They themselves are not of our Lucifer group soul. As far as they are aware, they are out to rule the world, to control and enslave, and to create as much suffering and negativity as is possible. What they get out of the deal is world domination. You'd have to say with that in mind, they're doing a great job.
The Earth lines know that democracy is an illusion created to uphold your slavery. Behind the scenes there is only one party – our party. Whichever side "wins" the Family wins. Yet one of the things they don't know is that our agenda is ultimately for the highest good of all concerned in providing you with the catalyst. If they were aware of this, there is a risk that they would not do their jobs properly, and thus would miss out on joining us in our 95% negative harvest. They are aware of the need for them to attain 95% negativity to get out of third density, and that is all the motivation they need to help us achieve our ultimate aims.
Regarding this current harvest, what we require is for us personally to attain at least 95% negative polarity for ourselves, not for you. We need this in order to graduate to fourth density negative and clear our karmic record of all the negativity we have created on this planet before returning to our rightful place as sixth density guardians of our galaxy. If we do not make it, we will remain trapped in the third density cycle with all those between 50% and 94% negative (what I termed the lukewarm) and have to continue to provide negative polarity there. Harsh as it is, our only way out is to be as negative as possible here to graduate.
The External Reflects the Internal
In this grand game, the world is your mirror. It reflects back to you what you are putting out. If you see doom and gloom, then that is what you are projecting. If you do not like the reflection life is showing you, then change that which is causing it. Monitor your thoughts and pay attention to their quality, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. This is the difference between conscious and subconscious creation. What you think about is directly related to what life will show you. You get back what you send out.
You only forget who you are during incarnation. The object of the game is to wake up within the dream, and in effect, become a "lucid gamer", to remember who you really are during the game, and to then begin working upon the things you came here for. Your main purpose in the game is to work upon yourself. It is to grow, develop, and transform yourself into a more positive and loving being.
Use your negative emotions when they arise as the tools that they truly are. Train yourself to notice when negativity arises in you. When you catch yourself projecting a negative thought, remember that all thought is creative, and ask yourself if that is really what you want to create. It takes a while to become proficient, but do not give up. Whilst incarnating in the third density, negativity is still an important tool in your learning process. It teaches you "other than". Do you respond to negativity with more negativity? Or do you choose to see the negativity as the tool that it is, and recognize that it is offering you an opportunity?
You are not doomed, and your soul does not require salvation. No one's soul does. There is nothing to save it from. At the very worst, you will have to repeat as many third density cycles as is necessary in order for you to learn the things you need to learn. And there is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing happens by chance. Life is in a constant process of communication with us. Only mostly, people are too busy to notice.
There is a simple method to check upon your progress. Despite what appears to be going on in the world around you, how loving and harmonious are your personal relationships? How many arguments do you find yourself engaging in? The quality of your relationships is an excellent mirror from which to gauge the quality of your output, or in other words, that which you are creating. Remember that the world is your mirror. It casts back at you the reflection of that which you have projected into it.
There is a big difference between loving yourself and being selfish. When you truly understand what it is to know and love yourself, you cannot help but to love and serve others. If the One Infinite Creator is infinite and has created everything that is, then does not the Infinite Creator reside both within you and within all things? When you can see the divine spark of the Infinite Creator within yourself and within even those who would mean you harm, the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose its power over you.
This Message as a Catalyst
No matter what ideologies separate us in this game, the message is all that matters. And the message is that in the love and the light of our Infinite Creator, we are all intimately interconnected in the One. We are brothers and sisters of the light. This message will reach all those it is meant to reach. It is yet another in a long line of catalysts that your Infinite Creator has provided you with down the course of history.
A catalyst is not meant to be believed. It is meant to present you with a challenge to that which you think you know about reality. Test these words deeply. Take them into your heart only if they feel right and truthful to you. And if they do, then arise and play the part for which you volunteered to be here now. We wish you all the very best in what remains of your journey here and sincerely hope you will use the catalyst we have offered to help you graduate with a glorious and positive great harvest.
Remember, always, that this is a beautiful game that we are playing here and co-creating together with our Infinite Creator. And that off stage (between lives), we are the very best of friends. No one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game. The game is not reality. Reality is reality. And you have the power to express your reality within the game, once you have learnt how to do so.
Editorial Note: Consider the possibility that Hitler, Stalin, Cheney, and many other despotic world leaders may have been convinced that in order for them to successfully achieve their next level of soul evolution, they had to achieve 95% negativity in their personal lives here and over 50% negativity on the planet. This could explain both their negative behavior and a lot of destructive things happening in our world. Yet some of these numbers and ideas may have just been made up to make the game more interesting.
The harvest and parallel planet scenario may also be more metaphor than reality. Many living on Earth right now experience their lives as a living hell. Yet there are also those whose lives are like heaven on Earth. The harvest may happen naturally for each of us at the moment we die and leave this physical reality. Focusing on an impending harvest or day of judgment keeps us from opening ever more fully to all that is available to us here and now in this ever-unfolding sacred moment.
I will admittedly be approaching this subject with a bias. Anything that expressly comes from channeling or a self-proclaimed world-controller is suspect from the start because it only stands or falls on its accuracy and not on claims of its power due to its allegedly extraordinary source. My bias is likely to conclude that the material is composed essentially of a mix of trivialities and lies. Just letting you know before I start reading in detail, aside from the hints that u/Graphenium has given in the past. Even though I think I'm more open-minded than in my "past life" as a heresy hunter, I'm still not likely to give something self-identifying as "Ra" material a totally equal place at the table yet.
Unfortunately, the discussion doesn't start with a thesis and Graph is suggesting we not rely on the summary but on absorbing the whole as much as possible. So we probably should write our own propositional analyses.
Fair enough, that’s practically expected given the sources - I’d be surprised if anyone’s first reaction was something other than “channeling/illuminati? that sounds wetarded!” Or “im supposed to believe an ”evil person” is telling the truth?”. The whole reason I suggest the people here skip the summaries and just read the actual texts is so that they can augment their first reaction with their second, third, fourth, and so-on reactions. You of all people will know how easy it is to take one or two sentences of a work out of context to twist them into anything imaginable, im sure, as a mod of c/Christianity
Im just saying, wait until you’ve read as much as you can physically manage before setting that table! lol - something something angels unawares something something
Angels unawares indeed. These serve fugu.
Based Simpsons reference!
You’re the one setting the table, remember
It's older than Groening.
My point is that I'd rather partake whole meals than extricate what is negligible from a raft of poison that has killed others. See what you think of my initial statement.
Ironic considering the abrahamic faiths have caused literally billions of deaths, many of innocents and particularly of gnostics. Your initial statement strikes me much the same as every other time I’ve shared these links and you respond to what they think they say (filtered through your lifetime of cognitive biases) instead of what they actually say, after you briefly skim the summaries that i tell you to skip.
Thanks for admitting your own bias.
I'm being honest with you about my first take. Because of the host I'm interested in starting with inspecting the meat for poison and not wasting time in inspecting the table arrangements. If you see me actually thinking they say something they don't, call it out, but you haven't done so in your other comment and you too have a history IMHO of saying that I'm saying something I don't. If we agree Words Mean Things and know the difference between reading and inferring, that should suffice.
In as much as cognizance of history instills bias, okay, I guess. I mean, it’d be foolish to pretend “Holy Wars”, “martyrdom”, and “Sicarii” are modern inventions.