Thanks! u/Graphenium:
The worldview expressed in the Law of One/“Ra Material” and the Hidden Hand interview
https://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_081018
The way I see things, these two sources explain existence, the state of our world, and the meaning of life far more accurately than any other. One is a “channeled” work, and the other is a long series of Questions and Answers between a conspiracy forum (RiP ATS) and a self-proclaimed world-controller. I see them as complimentary, showing a deeper reality by showing two sides of the same coin. One side being that of Service-to-Others, and the other being Service-to-Self
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASG9Vy4Tl/round-table-suggestion-thread/c
Thread will stay open for 3-4 weeks thanks to a very helpful suggestion.
Here's a stream of consciousness.
10-18 21:05 Total phony. I could larp that much myself.
10-19 00:10 Mostly ditto. Even a 2008 LLM could come up with "Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences" oh and "Media" and "Financial". The "Family" has nothing on my Family in Christ. However the message comes at the end: "You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet" and 'There is no "Messiah"". First logical fail because his Family takes the role of Messiah as salvation outside self, but he denies the same principle.
10-19 00:20 "Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator": let's pretend he means satan. Whoever he means, the older "Ruling-Bloodlines" are wholly invented and fall into the ordinary boast-about-nothing pattern. "My duty is to offer": Funny thing, several times on Scored, I as a Swamp Ranger offered myself in AMA and prepared for an onslaught. Nobody ever went deep, there were a couple brushes with depth that fizzled out. There was one guy in 5 years who correctly divined the US tax code with a little assistance. No other topic got far at all, although I suppose anti-topics like universalism got some depth. So far his larp is perfectly repeatable and I ought to do it again. Should I trust his theory of negative harvest when it has this huge drag? "I am prepared to give you some things coming down the timeline, that you will be able to look back upon, and verify my predictions retrospectively" .... "Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008/early 2009, along with a new Union of nations" .... "San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play" .... "You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater" ....
10-19 23:46 Within "The Infinite One" is "potential, waiting to 'become'" yet immediately there is "Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself". This shows that the speaker has put becoming and waiting to become in the same category, which tends illogical. The fallback pilpul might be "potential waits but intelligence becomes" but then there's no narrative in which the potential itself becomes like the intelligence has become. So if it's the same thing waiting to become and then becoming, there's a time element inserted logically prior to the creation of time. It doesn't work. Compare the origin of the dwarfs in the Silmarillion for a much better narrative of subcreation. Compare Screwtape's cannibal spiders for a much better narrative of subsubcreation. Anything setting up a cascading "Russian Doll" creation narrative is attempting to pull rank on you when you have an image-of-God creation narrative. "Creator receives the Free Will" but without any original unbounded freewill Creator to receive it from.
10-19 23:53 And yet somehow he mashes up each aeonic spirit being lesser, to put humans at the bottom, with the idea that humans can then evolve from level 1 upward, to finish his Gamer universe. What a Steineresque conflict. Larp: "our bloodlines do not originate from this planet". He says to demote Yahweh and promote Lucifer, Lucifer being "higher" and "arguably 'greater'"; Lucifer lowered himself to help save humanity, where have I heard something like that story. From Gen. 3 on I've already answered and the repugnance of the story is on record. 'Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru"' ....
10-20 00:01 The Mayan Long Count does not reflect procession of the equinoxes at all; it may be used to calculate procession but there's no reason to use the provably false 2012 date to mark a procession epoch. So a fact fail. What he did was take the arbitrary 13 baktuns of 144,000 days each and fudge that 5 of those (9,360,000 days) would get sorta close to the procession period (25,771.575 years or 9,413,068 days). Real Mayan historians have a totally different calculation. In our previous discussion you've had no respect for exactitude and instead affirmed that "sorta close" is enough to be symbolic; but here it's a big chuck to excise to find any edibles remaining. Now, harvest theory: Important to recall is that the enemy doesn't know if a pretrib rapture will happen so he plans for contingencies. It is absolutely responsive and noncreative to plan ahead for a pretrib rapture by saying those taken go with Lucifer to a happy negative-density world and those remaining ascend with Jesus to a happy positive-density world because that will steel those who remain into thinking they were not "left behind". The phoniest op you could imagine. If there's no pretrib rapture, in that contingency the ops go on as before and get spiritualized and those following this Lucifer think themselves the enlightened fighting the negative-density puritans. None of it calls for investigation upon truth, only upon vaporous campaign promises before an actual Voting Day. [The editor then proposes exactly the spiritualization I proposed before reading him: the op is in full effect.]
10-21 01:36 Did you plagiarize? Well, it's admittedly similar! Ra visited Atlanteans and Mayans. Frankism becomes Truth. Yahweh "threw his toys out of the pram", "not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey". [See how the entire thing is responsive primarily to Christianity and not to Zoroastrianism or any other religion? Every culture is fine except the one that glorifies Yahweh. It's glowing red-hot.] When you realize genocide is only a game you'll use it as a tool. Nothing in this reply is worth less than such satire, Frankly.
10-21 02:00 He says when you "love them, as yourself", STO does not become STS but remains a separate polarity; I said before I knew the concepts that balancing Self and Other in One is the way, not to separate them. Fake self-destructive altruism is just as bad as selfishness (The Fountainhead). "We are All on our way back Home" so ultimately freewill is meaningless. Oh, but then he contradicts his polarity by going back to unity: "When you truly understand what it is to Know and Love 'yourself', you cannot help but to Love and Serve others". Maybe he means (stealing from Jesus to Laodicea) that 51% + or 95% - are progressive but that middle lukewarm group is slogging slower; but then there's still no incentive for them to leave anytime because they are guaranteed by theory to leave sooner or later. And guess what Biblical character wants people not to decide anytime soon? This guy says, "No, you evolve better by being a little good or a lot bad", but when he points out that the middle slog gets there anyway and you're the only one judging your own percentage, his other goal of their not deciding anytime soon is affirmed too. Another laugh to quote at length: "Another difficult issue with channeling, is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity, and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel, you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive, but gradually slips in more and more misinformation, having gained your trust. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. Positive entities will not give a date and time. Negative ones will do, so they can set you up for a fall. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times, and they don't happen, they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message, as no one will see any credibility in you."
10-22 23:15 Quetzalcoatl is his friend. Death and suffering are not reality so if you choose negativity then go maximize that death kids because it has no harmful effect: what desensitization potential. "I am genuine, but, would it matter even if I were not?"
10-22 23:25 Masons are scratching the surface. Cayce and ACIM and others are great.
10-23 18:54 Making excuses for how much time he has to answer. Very 3rd-density.
10-24 03:35 'Humanity needs to grow beyond the stagnating concept of "gods". The idea of "god" takes the Power out of your own hands, and places it upon some shadowy unknown figure, somewhere "out there"'. Pedantry. Not much added here but lotsa redirections since the core message has already been delivered and seeded.
10-24 21:53 "Do not 'worship' your Infinite Creator". 'No-one really "dies"'. "You are not 'doomed', and your Soul does not require 'salvation'". '"Is the Earth Hollow?" Hold on, let me just check. Yes, definitely'. '"Satan" is a human invention'. 'I am "Channeling" Lucifer. That is why this discourse flows so easily'.
Okay, I read the whole thing. The summary was good and this didn't add much. What's the most generous, gracious, considerate thing I can say? The aspects that I can affirm, a monistic core creator, intelligent hidden beings, creation of freewill being good, some polarity being necessary, Lucifer being God's tool, service to others being positive, a hopeful destiny for positivity, well guess what all of those come from elsewhere and are expressed elsewhere without adding any poisonous contradictions. Other aspects that you like, such as "sympathy for the devil" who is "only following orders" who finds "negativity a tool" because to you it better answers certain questions, have so much risk associated that there's nothing there to entertain. After much thought in 2021 I concluded that those who hope for the devil's salvation can be entertained up to a point; but IMHO not to the point of applauding his sweet talk when he disses Yahweh and promotes himself and says everything is logical except when it's contradictory. I don't see anything of value there that contributes better than other discussions of "the state of our world" do.