I think it’s good to share information and engage in conversations about Christ. I noticed this community has a lot of “religious” posts but I’m often seeing common misconceptions and a lot of negativity or hopelessness.
Are religious posts encouraged on this forum? I have been working on a series of posts over on the christianity . win and I’m wondering if there would be more conversation by posting here
It's all about a war for your soul.
Yes! Saying the Green “evangelion” means “good news” is like saying “breakfast” means “to break the fast” lol
But breakfast does mean to 'break the fast', as in French (dejeuner) and Spanish (desayuno)
literally yes, in reality no. People do not enter a fasting period yet they do fast from a meal while sleeping
see the difference?
There is only one way to find out. :)
PS: I'm Orthodox Christian.
I’m an inquirer, brother!☦️
Raised orthodox?
Baptised and raised orthodox. As most kids in USSR. Of course real understanding comes with age.
Any people you like listening to or sites with teachings you like?
That does not work like that, at least here. We have kind of Orthodox media with preaches and all that stuff, but it is popular mostly among specific type of those who wanna look like hardcore believers for themselves. There was attempts to make orthodox christianity "popular" or "fashionable" in western meaning, but they are failed. People don't need that.
There is orthodox literature, books written by different people, not necessary priests. Really most of known Russian literature is orthodox, one way or another.
If you want something to get the very basics of orthodox christianity, may be try "Dialogues" by archpriest Valentin - you could find it interesting - https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/Valentin_Sventsitskij/dialogi/ (Try to use online translator, not shure it will give perfect translation, but at least you will get something). I think it is a very good introduction in Orthodox Christianity for an adult newbie. Something like Orthodoxy ReadMe. Why, how, where - all basic stuff.
If you have real, practical questions, you could just go to church and have a talk with a real priest who carry the touch of Christ through sequence of ordinations. No need for podcasts and sites with teachings. May be just Grace of God could not be stored on hard drives and people feel that.
Yeah that sites works a good amount translates to english thank you. Years ago when I was looking into Church history I found it more appealing than modern western christianity. was thinking of seeing what I could glean from it. If I had to label i would consider myself of Natsarim understanding now.
Check out on YT Jay Dyer, Church of the Eternal Logos, Abbot Tryphon, Father Spyridon Bailey and Father Josiah Trenham Also checkout orthowiki for general questions.
Appreciate it Ill look them up
I second that recommendation for Ft Josiah Trenham if youtube is more your thing.
Also the youtube channel Theoria
cc u/CrazyRussian
A lightweight yet beneficial “catechism” can be found in the podcast “Our Life in Christ”. Ancient Faith is an excellent resource. I’ve also found good resources via individual parish websites such as this one
https://www.saintjohnchurch.org/
And the Orthodox Church in America has great introductory resources, assistance in locating a local English parish (vs Greek or Antiochian or Russian etc).
https://www.oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith
I’m going to be working on posts in the future which will introduce some facts that relate to why EO had excommunicated the Roman Catholic Church and after that I will be uploading segments from the book “The Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century.” Right now I’ve been working through a series about Christology which of course is riling up some people based on particular segments.
It’s going to be a journey, expect stumbling blocks!
This is such a dead forum that nearly anything goes, but it is supposed to be a forum specifically for discussing and debating conspiracy theories, so conspiracy theories involving or surrounding a religion would certainly apply, but if you roll out a hopeful message don't be shocked getting polarized doomer opinions, and vice versa (people who open up with doomer opinions are also fair game for positive counter arguments), only people who think they're going to have a preacher on the pulpit experience have a bad time
lol I’m not a preacher! thank you for the feedback friend
I think my conspiracy would be that there was some sort of spiritual attack or scattering which created a ton of false “christs” aka false faiths or bodies of churches which provide false doctrines.
Heres mine Have you looked into the two world views that were competing around Jesus time Hebrew (Concrete -action) vs Greek Gnostic (Abstract- thought). I believe the Hellenism won out in the 300s . Augustine was a Manichean and many came from Gnostic backgrounds and brought the understanding separating the original assembly of Natsarim.
Augustine was originally apart of the Natsarim?
all interesting information, the only part I knew about was the idea of concrete vs gnostic extremes
Sorry for misunderstanding no he was not he was from the manichean gnostics. Natsarim is what the movement of the Messiah was called it was not considered a new religion as christianity is now it was just a sect of Israel with Gentiles grafted in .
Christian is the hellenized word for messianic
Meshiac=annointed.
The natsarim were ostracized from Israel after the Bar Kokhba revolt they didnt join the fight because he called himself the messiah. If he wouldve said just lets fight they wouldve joined and won possibly , Israel lost the revolt narrowly.
Marcion compiled what we now call the New Testament. The original assembly even in europe was reading the "old testament"in light of Jesus with the gospels. He said no we have our own books the "new". He was the originator of the separation or replacement mindset. He was labelled a heretic but his ideals still continued on.
You ever read Maccabees? If you do 1-2 for sure 3 no 4 is nice but when you see rationality and reason replace with integrity and steadfastness (faith).
It shows the battle they had over the greek mind frame before jesus time and it was still causing tensions in Jesus times. This is Why Jesus said I have not come to do away with the law (torah)
Torah means instructions from the root ya-rah meaning the way pointing towards, the direction to walk, or as sin is a missing the mark torah is a throwing towards the mark. Which is the fulfillment completed in Jesus the goal it.
sorry for long post just wanted to explain a lil of what Ive come upon.
I need to look into Marcion
I am working through the Eastern Orthodox Study Bible which contains Maccabees, I have never read it
this was not a long post, thank you for the info!
Eastern Orthodox thats interesting Ive been wanting to get the apocrypha and my friend was looking for another study Bible version Ill look into getting one .Ill do better and try and visit the christianity.win more havent in a year Ill be looking for when you post your findings.
God Bless
God bless you as well
hoping it helps you
Yes it helped because I’ve already encountered that terminology since you last told me about it. It was related to other research I was working on
Hegesippus (born c. 110 & died c.180 AD), also known as "Hegesippus the Nazarene", was a Christian writer of the early Church who may, in spite of his Greek name, have been a Jewish convert and certainly wrote against heresies of the Gnostics and of Marcion. According to Hegesippus, Mary the wife of Clopas is Christ's aunt, he actually refers to her as the sister-in-law to Theotokos (Christ's mother).
I had not heard of these videos however I’m confident that the historical man was not fake. What your background as a Christian?
https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2022/11/18/top-ten-historical-references-to-jesus-outside-of-the-bible/
What is the difference between an Israelite, Hebrew, Semite, Judaist, Pharisee and Jew?
Israelite - Consists of all twelve tribes that shared inheritance to the land , ones in rebellion was meant to lose the inheritance sadly there was no follow through
Hebrew- means move/across over, Abraham as he left Ur or the crossing over and out of Egypt.
Interestingly Arab means mixed multitude or people that live in tents its not a race or ethnic signifier .
Semite-People that speak semetic language aramaic, hebrew ,arab, some ethiopian dialects.
Judaist- never heard the term
Pharisee- originally were a sect means separatist that formed after Macabees to preserve them from the Greek Hellenism; in contrast to the Sadducees the political elite When Israel was under control of Romans
Jew- term originally comes from Judah the tribe
we can also add
Bankers
Bolsheviks
ZIonists
Synagogue of Satan
I would guess it’s something like this:
Israelite - national identity
Hebrew - participant in the old covenant of YWHW
semite - ethnic designation for someone from that region
Judaist - i don’t have a guess
pharisee - specific designation relating to the second temple period sect known as “pharisees”; its the name of their faith similarily to how a Christian may be Baptist or Lutheran or Anglican etc.
Jew - this is actually a more difficult thing to identify. the word contains the meaning Israelite, Hebrew, semite or the modern expression of Talmudic Judaism. the latter of which is in fact no longer linked to the tradition of the old covenant because it didn’t exist until after the second temple period
The word Jew did not exist at the time of Christ.
Was the descriptive word "jew" sloppily applied in the King James version of the bible? What does it actually mean in the context of the KJV?
I had not investigated that word yet. I’ve picked this verse at random for discussion:
from strongs:
ioudaios Ἰουδαῖος
ESV also translates it as “jews”
What makes Jesus "jewish" ? The place he was born? His lineage?
Why should a non-jew follow a jewish god who only chose jews as disciples and only preached to jews and gave racial preference to jews and was murdered by lying jews?
Or is God a jokester and made Jesus a jew because jews are devilish fucks and He wanted to REALLY test our faith? It's hard enough to believe God would ever manifest in human flesh. But as a LYING WICKED UGLY JEW?!? They certainly tried to test ones faith.
I think you’re confusing two things here: ancient Judaism (aka the Hebrews that worshipped YHWH) and modern Judaism which rejects YHWH.
Are you familiar with the “70 nations”?
This verse could be said to be a culmination of that topic (lol spoiler alert)
gentiles is ἔθνη ethnos
Saw this a bit late but since there’s already a Christianity dot win why do you think you need to spew that in a dot win set up for something completely different? You wouldn’t want me and 20 others flooding your forum with V8 posts and comparing the religions of Dodge Chevy or Ford, why would we want someone coming into conspiracies and adding topics that don’t pertain? Unless it’s a conspiracy angle to religion, it doesn’t really belong here. The fact that any of you here can take a look at governments official paperwork, history books, movies, radio, television and social media propaganda and see that it’s altered, edited, curated and guided to push specific narratives but then completely go blind when it comes to your holy book of choice really says something. And it’s not good. You never seem to go with any other religion either. No one ever seems to come here pushing the teachings of Odin. No wacky Japanese gods. No old Chinese gods. No Aztec religion pushers, no one trying to say it’s really Zeus in charge. Just your Christianity, a religion full of Jewish bullshit among other crap. This forum isn’t dying due to glowies it’s cause too many of you think this is your bible study class.
It’s unfortunate that someone has made you think it’s a about picking a “holy book”
Imagine thinking sometbing like
The problem with this mindset is twofold:
If someone thinks everything else is altered, but conspiracy theory sub is pure, their a fool
If someone thinks investigating conspiracies is limited to the internet, especially to this particular community, again they are a fool
If you really get into it, the culture and mindset on how to view the world becomes the drawing factor. I’ll leave it for you to discern whether I’m referring to the conspiracies community or to the Christian community
Sorry for a late reply, things are a bit hectic here on the ranch with some equipment repairs and the animals.
You have a coherent reply with out attacks on your opponents character, such a rare thing these days I’d be remiss if I didn’t point it out and say good job. Just because it’s the internet doesn’t mean we can’t be civil.
I’m not too sure what your two points are trying to make to be honest. I’ve never said this forum nor the internet at whole is the only way to investigate conspiracies nor do I think this site or any other is “pure” and unaltered. I however can look at human history and corruption and see every single thing we’d made up get that treatment. From books to movies to the internet to vehicles to anything you wish to choose. We KNOW it’s been altered, changed and fucked with. So unless you’ve got an original of something they haven’t fucked with, you have to question the validity of your source. Now if we apply this to religion?
Do you have unaltered, original literature from the time these supposed events happened? With collaborating documentation from other sources mentioning the same thing? And you can read the text in its original form, not translated and mistranslated or intentionally mistranslated? I know it seems I’m asking the impossible here but when my opponents come claiming supernatural powers and events, those things require a great amount of explanation not simple “believe and have faith!” And after being raised Christian and looking for the answers and finding fuck all but the corruption and deception, I find it hard to believe that people who congratulate themselves on seeing through the newest psyop and bullshit kabuki theatre the “elites” put on can’t look at religion and see the same. A preacher promising eternal afterlife in a golden heaven is no different to me than a quack doctor pretending to switch a customers genitals with surgery. It’s a false promise to a mentally deluded or simple minded fool simply wanting an easy answer.
When you look at an NPC believing the next current thing, and you can’t believe they fell for it again, we’ll that’s those of us who see through religion watching a bunch of people doing the same thing again. And again and again.
People wanting to see a buff Jesus wrestle a big mean Satan and cheer him on are no different than the Q believers. It’s sad to watch, it really is.
Thank you for this reply!
I think something you may be alluding to can be found in a recent post I made. It’s super short, so I will just copy and paste the contents here. The name of a demon (please be patient if that is not something you believe exists), is translated as “night bird” because the translators felt uncomfortable to put a pagan goddess / demon in the Bible. Is this the sort of thing you are talking about?
I found it on a podcast (linked below) but was able to verify it using the BLB app which has access to the original language.
I think you’re questioning the methods by which the reliability of a source can be verified. I asked something similar once myself, trying to explore what a university actually would be. I don’t remember the entirety of that explored conversation but it may be a post in my history. The idea was to question at what point an organization (a group of people united under one common belief) is no longer valid; another example would be to recognize the corruption of the medical field, but also to recognize it would be stupid to say we should completely restart the medical field.
Contents of that post referenced below
Isaiah 34:14 (ESV) And wild animals shall meet with hyenas; the wild goat shall cry to his fellow; indeed, there lîlîṯ (the night bird) settles and finds for herself a resting place.
לִילִית lîlîṯ
Monster Manual introduces some ancient cultural understandings of the demonic, demonstrates numerous examples within Holy Scripture and then discuss how our modern culture makes “monsters” cute & morally neutral.
I think Q stuff is gnosticism
I enjoy a good post.
I will try different things on different days then!
I’m working through a Christology series at the moment
My problem with Christianity is that the new testament does not reconcile well with the Old testament and we get two very different Gods in the way they preach and act. The Old Testament God is vengeful and speaks to jews and tells them to carry out war and genocide and sleep with other women than their own wives and even tells Abraham to sacrifice his son. Then the new testament God is pacifist, turns the cheek and gets murdered. Doesn't sound like the same God that flooded everyone out. Then he suicides himself as a sacrificial lamb? It's difficult for me to understand. The flesh of my flesh blood of my blood sounds like cannibalism or blood ritual.
I agree it is difficult to understand, depending on the depth in which someone wants to investigate. On the surface it could be explained as a war between God and those that have rebelled, with humanity participating in a fluctuation between with or against YWHW.
I think Dr Michael Heiser does a great job at engaging that differentiation between the Old and New Testament experiences. I also think the Eastern Orthodox Church does a great job of demonstrating the differences. Most likely the primary hookup for you would be tied to ideas inherited from Penal Substitutionary Atonement and the “heaven or hell” concept which I understand have come from the ideas which started (or became more prominent) somewhere around the time of “Dante’s Inferno”
I don’t have a firm footing in this area yet, to the extent that I can have some discussion about it. However I have found there is a direct connection between occult (demonic, pagan etc) worship and cannibalism. Looking into what “sacrifice” and “remembrance” meant in ancient cultures has helped to actually support the realization of the true body and blood of Christ.