I think it’s good to share information and engage in conversations about Christ. I noticed this community has a lot of “religious” posts but I’m often seeing common misconceptions and a lot of negativity or hopelessness.
Are religious posts encouraged on this forum? I have been working on a series of posts over on the christianity . win and I’m wondering if there would be more conversation by posting here
Heres mine Have you looked into the two world views that were competing around Jesus time Hebrew (Concrete -action) vs Greek Gnostic (Abstract- thought). I believe the Hellenism won out in the 300s . Augustine was a Manichean and many came from Gnostic backgrounds and brought the understanding separating the original assembly of Natsarim.
Augustine was originally apart of the Natsarim?
all interesting information, the only part I knew about was the idea of concrete vs gnostic extremes
Sorry for misunderstanding no he was not he was from the manichean gnostics. Natsarim is what the movement of the Messiah was called it was not considered a new religion as christianity is now it was just a sect of Israel with Gentiles grafted in .
Christian is the hellenized word for messianic
Meshiac=annointed.
The natsarim were ostracized from Israel after the Bar Kokhba revolt they didnt join the fight because he called himself the messiah. If he wouldve said just lets fight they wouldve joined and won possibly , Israel lost the revolt narrowly.
Marcion compiled what we now call the New Testament. The original assembly even in europe was reading the "old testament"in light of Jesus with the gospels. He said no we have our own books the "new". He was the originator of the separation or replacement mindset. He was labelled a heretic but his ideals still continued on.
You ever read Maccabees? If you do 1-2 for sure 3 no 4 is nice but when you see rationality and reason replace with integrity and steadfastness (faith).
It shows the battle they had over the greek mind frame before jesus time and it was still causing tensions in Jesus times. This is Why Jesus said I have not come to do away with the law (torah)
Torah means instructions from the root ya-rah meaning the way pointing towards, the direction to walk, or as sin is a missing the mark torah is a throwing towards the mark. Which is the fulfillment completed in Jesus the goal it.
sorry for long post just wanted to explain a lil of what Ive come upon.
I need to look into Marcion
I am working through the Eastern Orthodox Study Bible which contains Maccabees, I have never read it
this was not a long post, thank you for the info!
Eastern Orthodox thats interesting Ive been wanting to get the apocrypha and my friend was looking for another study Bible version Ill look into getting one .Ill do better and try and visit the christianity.win more havent in a year Ill be looking for when you post your findings.
God Bless
hoping it helps you
Yes it helped because I’ve already encountered that terminology since you last told me about it. It was related to other research I was working on
Hegesippus (born c. 110 & died c.180 AD), also known as "Hegesippus the Nazarene", was a Christian writer of the early Church who may, in spite of his Greek name, have been a Jewish convert and certainly wrote against heresies of the Gnostics and of Marcion. According to Hegesippus, Mary the wife of Clopas is Christ's aunt, he actually refers to her as the sister-in-law to Theotokos (Christ's mother).