This is such a dead forum that nearly anything goes, but it is supposed to be a forum specifically for discussing and debating conspiracy theories, so conspiracy theories involving or surrounding a religion would certainly apply, but if you roll out a hopeful message don't be shocked getting polarized doomer opinions, and vice versa (people who open up with doomer opinions are also fair game for positive counter arguments), only people who think they're going to have a preacher on the pulpit experience have a bad time
Heres mine Have you looked into the two world views that were competing around Jesus time Hebrew (Concrete -action) vs Greek Gnostic (Abstract- thought). I believe the Hellenism won out in the 300s . Augustine was a Manichean and many came from Gnostic backgrounds and brought the understanding separating the original assembly of Natsarim.
Sorry for misunderstanding no he was not he was from the manichean gnostics.
Natsarim is what the movement of the Messiah was called it was not considered a new religion as christianity is now it was just a sect of Israel with Gentiles grafted in .
Christian is the hellenized word for messianic
Meshiac=annointed.
The natsarim were ostracized from Israel after the Bar Kokhba revolt they didnt join the fight because he called himself the messiah. If he wouldve said just lets fight they wouldve joined and won possibly , Israel lost the revolt narrowly.
Marcion compiled what we now call the New Testament. The original assembly even in europe was reading the "old testament"in light of Jesus with the gospels. He said no we have our own books the "new". He was the originator of the separation or replacement mindset. He was labelled a heretic but his ideals still continued on.
You ever read Maccabees? If you do 1-2 for sure
3 no
4 is nice but when you see rationality and reason replace with integrity and steadfastness (faith).
It shows the battle they had over the greek mind frame before jesus time and it was still causing tensions in Jesus times. This is Why Jesus said I have not come to do away with the law (torah)
Torah means instructions from the root ya-rah meaning the way pointing towards, the direction to walk, or as sin is a missing the mark torah is a throwing towards the mark. Which is the fulfillment completed in Jesus the goal it.
sorry for long post just wanted to explain a lil of what Ive come upon.
This is such a dead forum that nearly anything goes, but it is supposed to be a forum specifically for discussing and debating conspiracy theories, so conspiracy theories involving or surrounding a religion would certainly apply, but if you roll out a hopeful message don't be shocked getting polarized doomer opinions, and vice versa (people who open up with doomer opinions are also fair game for positive counter arguments), only people who think they're going to have a preacher on the pulpit experience have a bad time
Heres mine Have you looked into the two world views that were competing around Jesus time Hebrew (Concrete -action) vs Greek Gnostic (Abstract- thought). I believe the Hellenism won out in the 300s . Augustine was a Manichean and many came from Gnostic backgrounds and brought the understanding separating the original assembly of Natsarim.
Sorry for misunderstanding no he was not he was from the manichean gnostics. Natsarim is what the movement of the Messiah was called it was not considered a new religion as christianity is now it was just a sect of Israel with Gentiles grafted in .
Christian is the hellenized word for messianic
Meshiac=annointed.
The natsarim were ostracized from Israel after the Bar Kokhba revolt they didnt join the fight because he called himself the messiah. If he wouldve said just lets fight they wouldve joined and won possibly , Israel lost the revolt narrowly.
Marcion compiled what we now call the New Testament. The original assembly even in europe was reading the "old testament"in light of Jesus with the gospels. He said no we have our own books the "new". He was the originator of the separation or replacement mindset. He was labelled a heretic but his ideals still continued on.
You ever read Maccabees? If you do 1-2 for sure 3 no 4 is nice but when you see rationality and reason replace with integrity and steadfastness (faith).
It shows the battle they had over the greek mind frame before jesus time and it was still causing tensions in Jesus times. This is Why Jesus said I have not come to do away with the law (torah)
Torah means instructions from the root ya-rah meaning the way pointing towards, the direction to walk, or as sin is a missing the mark torah is a throwing towards the mark. Which is the fulfillment completed in Jesus the goal it.
sorry for long post just wanted to explain a lil of what Ive come upon.
hoping it helps you