A lot of sci fi and even paranoid government programs (eg. COG protocols), explore the ideas of humanity hiding out in underground bunkers to survive the self induced apocalypse de jour. How long could something such as this actually last before everyone perishes? (My thoughts in comments).
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Four generations. After the third perishes there's no grounded understanding of the importance of perseverance.
Want to hear a wild theory?
When the interglacial periods end, and the glacial resumes. People will be forced down into caves, just like the neanderthals were living.
What if neanderthals/denovisans are actually what homo sapiens turned into after 80,000 years living in cave systems only coming up to hunt or get sun.
I feel like its possible.
Traces of Neandertals DNA is what distinguish white Europeans from other human species. Interesting, that Jews don't have that traces, and Arabs too who are accounted as white race today. Even in Indians that traces are rare thing, mostly occuring only in higher castes.
Same thing could be with Denisovians, but for Asian race, but it is not studied properly yet.
So, the theory that Neandertals/Denisovians was kind of degraded Cromagnons looks stretched.
More look like agressive Cromagnons who found to come from Africa and whose direct descendants are Negroes, genocided most of other more peaceful human species like Neandrthals and Denisovians, however their ancestry survived in form of Europeans and Asians, who appear to be more advanced humans than those who are pure Cromagnons descendants.
There is still open question about origins of Semites (Jews/Arabs) who have Cromagnon ancestry, but nor Neandertal, nor Denisovian. May be their ancestor is not found yet, but they could have something that made them different from Negroes.
If you are white and have eyes set deeper than eyebrows, with high probability you have traces of Neandertal ancestry, that makes you different from bulged-eyes Jews, Asians or Negroes f.e.
Whatever theory of humans creation/evolution you stick to, there is at least 3 types of human species in humanity ancestry that eventually developed into races we know. And looks like modern narrative of mixing races is a final battle of Cromagnons to dissolve Neanderthals/Denisovian ancestry to complete elimination. Since TPTB want this badly, I suppose that there is something very valuable we have from our Neanderthals ancestors and therefore they are definitely not some kind of degraded or underdeveloped humans as TPTB want us to think.
Connection also with Rh- ?
Didn't dig so far, but possible.
Now that's some interesting shit. That's also terrifying, and would also mean there are likely Neanderthals or other things still down there.
And that's assuming that someone doesn't rise up as dictator and overthrows the leadership, then pillages the stores and burns the rest Mad Max style, and then they all start eating each other until there's only one guy left, and there isn't much he can do to prolong the species on his own, at least not that I know of.
Apparently, your parents never taught you anything, so you lose any faith in other parents teaching their children.
I like how retards like you try to assess a situation that they don't understand. It makes me root for the ones that will wipe you out. I don't really root for them, but wiping out a nonsense user that posts a theoretical scenario with little to no background and then assesses this imaginary scenario, is at least worth more than your online activity.
Patiently waiting for your next two sentence post with an additional comment to show us how far you are willing to go to convince people that you are worthless.
The way you treat others reflects how you feel about yourself. Why are you here?
So you treat others with bs posts... How does that feel? :D
Sorry, I actually have standards. I know people here just like their twisted opinion validated, just like you. :(
I treat the best with the best and the worst with the worst. I see you can't figure that on your own, but that is obvious based on your posts.
Anyway, keep that low quality of yours. The masses in here appreciate your low contribution. All you do is vent in here and act like a victim when someone disagrees. :D You correctly represent the masses in here - worthless, angry, and spineless. :D
Your opinions are based upon your biases and emotions. For example, I could state the same about your post history, that you don't contribute anything except vitriol. Express an original idea and defend it without attacking the contributor. You don't because you can't win an argument based upon the merits of your own ideas?
Furthermore- I see you just logged back in during working hours. So, who do you work for?
Ad hominem attacks... You shills never change...
My post history is of valuable documentaries and ideas that were researched in great depth. It is of no surprise that a small mind like yours cannot grasp the obvious.
You're just here to insult. You don't chase the point, you go directly to personal attacks... :D Typical action of a child losing an argument. :D
Vent all you want, you can't win an argument like that. :D
Stop projecting. No one is insulting you. You insult everybody. You are acting ridiculous, like a child. You start by attacking me then cry about it.
Again, the usual attacks. "I am not the problem, you are". :D I guess your own life is the result of your tactics. :D
What I do is to say that you express low quality, while I believe this place needs high quality. You get insulted and insult me. I respond in a fantastic way to show you how well I know your inner actions. :D And you act like a hurt child. That is typical for almost every hurt child. I imagine your life choices have brought a powerful reality. :D
Sorry, you can't take criticism. Butthurt hospital is 3 minutes away. :D Good luck in life with attacking personally everyone, who tries to show you the error of your ways. :D Let me know how that turns out.
Earth is a closed system
Only if you ignore the 135 MW/m² of energy donated by the sun.
It's like saying a welfare recipient in section 8 housing is living independently.
Black sun of inner earth.
Space is fake.
Wtf is section Ate.
lol fine but for the purposes of this post i mean a closed off community
Approximately 621 days
That's very specific. What makes you suggest such a specific number?
That's the length of time Biosphere 2's first mission lasted. Link is to the wikipedia article.
It would be the same as living on the Moon or Mars I think. Heinlein wrote a novel about generations long closed in a ship.
WALL-E
getting "fallout" vibes...
Unknown. The times we have actually tried to do it, it failed within years.
However - miniature sealed glass biomes can and have lasted on the order of centuries. Those rely on the sun however, and a different sort of biome would be required to live in darkness - but there are certainly plenty of living things which thrive in such environments. It’s all about the balance and symbiosis of them.
If you knew that the earth itself is a closed system, would you suspect that it could be done on a smaller scale too? This is generally my view.
Uhm I think some have been designed to last indefinitely, but supposedly potentially for a few centuries. However I wouldn't count on it. At all. Seed vaults have already failed, as many Boomer era fallout facilities have been upgraded, or decommissioned. I don't put my faith in any modern building and structure. They simply aren't made with the rationality of longevity, rather an investment con. We are talking about a power source on its own grid that lasts until fallout subsides. It becomes problematic unless it's using fossil fuels. Now we can all laugh right.
Nuclear reactors upgrading in less than half a century. Forget solar or turbine. How long can they survive for, as long as any stockpile if the materials used, concretes last, plus the other service systems. These are also a modern joke.
You're speaking of survivors living out a world ending scenario in a vault or bunker. I haven't watched that woke, Silo. It was boring.
The psychological damage to those that lived above ground before would be the biggest hurdle. Those born in the bunkers wouldn't know the difference and likely not transition to surface living easily.
a) partial (life) cannot survive whole (inception towards death).
b) others suggest SURVI'VE, verb [Latin supervivo.] - "to outlive" as progressivism (towards suggested outcome) to tempt one to ignore "inlive" aka living within the process of dying. A simple rhetorical inversion of reality (inlive) with fiction (outlive).
c) each partial (growth) represents the opening within the closed; whole (loss). Ones free will of choice implies an opening opportunity to experience the perceivable whole from within, while nothing can get into a closed whole from outside, since whole implies outside for everything within.
d) life imprisonment implies being within mental prison during life aka choice confined to balance momentarily.