“You know it’s real, because it looks so fake”
Yeah, their behavior is consistently shameful and embarrassing.
Which I wasn't.
Baseless accusations of lying are also textbook shill.
Why is acceptable to the mods?
This is a reasonable question. It sure doesn’t help or reflect well on this community :(
Trust should end. No claim should be accepted from any source without thorough validation first. This is the burden of all students, but most of us aren’t taught that due to conditioning by rote under the guise of education from childhood - which shuns such things. “I know cause teacher tells me so”
The era of truth is behind us sadly
Don’t dream it’s over / give in to despair.
I have given these musings a lot of thought, and if you would like to discuss them further in depth i encourage you to join us over on flatearthresearch to do that!
In our regrettable infowar era, the three most important (and neglected) questions are :
- What do you know (as opposed to merely believe/repeat) ?
- How do you know what you know, with certainty?
- How best do you convey that knowledge and certainty to another?
How do you determine/measure the disease frequency in the first place?
Tallestskil IS willfully trolling.
I find this likely. They very rarely stay on topic, and usually just seek to inflame/insult.
That is NOT someone interested in truth or conspiracies.
Very possibly. They claim to be very interested in their own, zealous, truth. They certainly don’t seem to be very interested in earnest discussion or research in any case - especially if it contradicts “their truth”.
If he thinks Jews are evil, why is he attacking conspiracy theorists?
Because in classic conpro shill form, everyone who disagrees with him is automatically a “jew”.
Apparently stuff like that is fine.
We can’t very well ban proud/vain delusion and stupidity. I mean, we can but there won’t be many people left here.
I can’t speak to why the mods here support or defend tallestskill. I can understand not tolerating death threats, encouraging of suicide, or general ad hominem of any kind. Helping to train such users to follow those simple rules or not be part of the discussion through banning and/or deletion of such comments is certainly arguable.
As a mod myself (not of this community of course), i personally tolerate such things because i detest censorship and support freedom of speech to a fault. My line is disingenuousness. If you are a bot, or willfully trolling - essentially only then will you be banned/silenced. In any case, if your community has rules (most of them do not - it is not straightforward to populate them in the communities.win format) they should certainly be equally apportioned.
One can only surmise that they are alts of the mods, admin accounts, or that the mods are complicit.
That would be sad. Such things do happen, and would undoubtedly be a tactic to ensure communities like this always remain “limited hangouts” and to stifle/destroy community whenever possible.
That you can’t maintain conversational context for even a single post
Can you? If so, explain what you meant specifically, if anything, by “No one said a goddamn thing you claimed.” Otherwise, don’t waste your breath.
If you expect anyone to take you seriously or believe you, they do.
I don’t expect nor demand anything, that’s your script. I certainly don’t want them to believe anything. Belief is the enemy of knowledge, and objective study of any kind. I can, of course, provide evidence - but that isn’t as meaningful as you misunderstand it to be. All mythology has evidence.
The compelling part is when they’re truthful
Lol. You can’t be this naive. Why are so many fooled by lies/falsity? Why are so many so wrong so often/consistently (including yourself)? Was it because they were too compelled by truth to notice? Don’t be silly. The truth hurts; it is often not compelling at all and a “bitter pill” besides.
This is just to keep you away from sane people.
No one is reading this but us - this thread has been deleted to boot. Technically only i am reading this; you are ignoring and mocking it to protect your foolish pride :(
The only reason to continue is because you wish to communicate/discuss, or because you are a disingenuous troll who enjoys (and/or is paid for) wasting time.
I hope it is the former, for both our sakes.
I try to reflect truth.
And that is a good and lofty goal. It is stupid to delude yourself into believing you have succeeded, or will always succeed.
You are wrong. I am explaining why you are wrong
No, you claimed i was a liar instead of doing that. Which is also a common shill/troll tactic. Coincidence, i’m sure...
You’ve already admitted you don’t believe truth exists
When? Please cite/quote my statement. You have clearly misunderstood me - which is unsurprising because by your own admission - you are only ignoring and mocking anyway.
Yep, I don’t give a shit about collaborating with people who want me exterminated
How about collaborating with people who don’t want you to be exterminated and would help to fight against it? Your attitude and approach prevent all collaboration and communication with others, especially those that disagree with you in any way. Your echo chamber, of your own making, does you harm.
truth is not petulance
No one said it was. I said demanding things was petulant. If you have truth, it will stand and defend itself by its own merit and virtue. Again your ad hominem, vitriol, and calls to suicide are unnecessary, across purposes, and only harming you. Such tactics are only resorted to when you don’t have truth...
It’s not that hard to demand it of others
No one said it was. I said it was childish and self defeating. Instead, request. As for the specific example i mock demanded citation and proof for - you could never provide it (especially not to a disingenuous party using such demands as a rhetorical device) and such demands only serve to disable communication/collaboration. That is their purpose.
You’re beyond saving.
You may well be as well, but a little earnest discussion shouldn’t hurt to try and remedy that. Don’t avoid it out of cowardice, pride, and/or vanity.
“Truth is subjective,”
No one said that except you, just now. I said proof was subjective.
Yeah, trolls and shills always want to know the truth
There is nothing wrong with wanting to know the truth. Your problem is declaring you already have it, sticking your fingers in your ears, and screaming like a child at everyone who has a differing view.
What makes you a troll is trolling. You can stop anytime you wish - i hope.
They always demand evidence for claims. That’s definitely how they behave.
Yes, that’s right. Demanding citation/evidence as a flimsy pretext to derail, disable, and discredit is a common shill/troll tactic. Do you seriously not recognize that?
I’m not compromising with objective, metaphysical evil.
No one is saying you should. This is a discussion about collaboration, communication, and civility/behavior.
Truth is the wall
We are not discussing truth. You keep conflating / shifting to it, but we are really discussing tactic, approach/behavior, and effective communication.
It is true that you shouldn’t accept claims you, yourself, have not thoroughly validated first. It is not true that demanding such validation is the best way to go about that.
My people are being exterminated from the face of the Earth
All the more reason to foster collaboration and rally allies. Your current approach has the opposite effect. If that is not your intention, you should stop working to help your enemy and do their work (divide) for them.
It’s called an immune response
It’s called mindless belligerence, and it only hinders communication and collaboration.
I’m not collaborating with relativists
To continue your metaphor, you are an auto-immune disease. You are attacking all indiscriminately, and are not communicating effectively enough to even determine who the relativists might be before blindly attacking. For instance, i am not a relativist - but you are too busy mocking, ignoring, attacking, and urging suicide to notice.
Amazing.
Not really. I’m not a mind reader. If you can’t explain what the heck it is you’re saying, i can’t possibly be expected to understand you.
Congratulations on admitting you’re insane
Perhaps, but i think i’ve just given it more thought than you. Ideas most often do not spring from evidence, nor is evidence required to support them. Ideas can be and often are compelling in and of themselves.
You have to prove them or they’re going to be ignored
Lol. This is not a debate. Currently it barely qualifies as a conversation due to your pigheaded adversarial demeanor. As i said, your belief/assumption that everything you have said is correct is stupid, vain, and proud. Pride is a fools fortress and shame’s cloak. Cast it aside if you can.
You don’t get to disagree
Then how is it i can and do?
Can
followed by
Get fucked
This is another demonstration of your disagreeing civilly?
Truth isn’t a matter of agreement.
Agreed.
You don’t get to disagree with truth.
Lol. You “get” to disagree with anything. Most (virtually all) people who claim to have inerrant truth are both wrong and religious zealots. You can and should disagree with “truth” when that “truth” is false.
My people are being exterminated from the face of the Earth, so you deserve no civility when you post lies.
Why can’t a person just be f*ing wrong anymore? Why is everyone automatically a liar? And how is being uncivil to those who could help you in your struggle, or are on your side in that struggle, going to help? If you commit yourself to acting in such a way, you are preventing collaboration. Divide and conquer is a simple game and a fundamental tactic of our common enemy. Perhaps you should stop helping them?
Words have definitions
Yes, they do. You can of course demand anything you wish, but you are not entitled to receive anything. You will catch more flies with honey, and demanding/screaming at them will always tend to drive them away.
since there is no possibility of discussion with a member of these groups
In some ways i agree with you. However, just like the shills - many of those people in those groups are not willing participants. They need help, not banishment. The disingenuous that push such philosophies/ideologies as attack are, as you say - not worth discussing with.
And I’m somehow not doing it myself by continuing to bog you
Correct. (repeatedly) Making petulant demands is not research/validation and will not help you foster, build, or refine those skills.
You may, and perhaps should, ask for help in validation - but demanding it is foolish and a common troll/shill tactic.
they are dismissed
You can dismiss anything you want. But don’t be surprised when your close minded and needlessly adversarial approach prevents you from learning new things and effectively communicating.
You say thing, you prove thing
You haven’t thought this through. Proof is not something you can give another (outside of mathematics). It is too subjective. You must do it for yourself, though you can request help!
If you no can prove, you no say
Lol. No speculation, no thought - “just the facts mam”?
If no proof come, dismiss other thing
Citation please. Provide proof.
Am i getting through to you at all? You seem caught in a loop, and are advocating for a common troll/shill tactic.
If these standards are too stringent for you
They are self defeating and closed minded to me, but you are welcome to them! In general the “put up or shut up” approach is a sound one, but you are both taking it too far and being uncivil as well as adversarial which only prevents communication and collaboration.
NO U
Lol.
Why are you talking about things no one here does?
What are you talking about?
Not when they have no evidence, they can’t.
Ideas can stand on their own without evidence. And ideas that are supported by evidence are often wrong/worthless. Evidence is easy.
So you have no examples?
You misunderstand. It is you who should have the examples, not me. It is purely your foolish vanity that prevents it. Deludedly believing you are always right is stupid and vain/proud.
Project somewhere
Cool it there freud. I thought you were against the “communists” and their nonsense...
I have no ego.
Then act like it.
I’m worthless. I don’t matter
I disagree.
I am capable of entertaining an idea that I do not personally like
Not without vapid insult and calls to suicide you can’t :(
Holy shit, I agree completely
Excellent. Though your major difficulty is in disagreeing civilly, i’ll consider this a step in the right direction.
Demanding proof/evidence is our website’s immune system
I understand why you think this, but it’s wrong. We can request such proof/evidence, and arbitrate that any refusal to provide such is a reason to discard/ignore/prevent consideration, but making petulant demands is for children.
All claims, including facts which are merely one type of claim, regardless of source are our responsibility to verify thoroughly before accepting. It is the burden of all students. We can ask for help in this, but we can’t demand nor expect it. Furthermore, it is a process and skillset that we refine by doing ourselves.
In a formal debate (a silly game; base pageantry) the burden of proof falls on the claimant. In real life, it falls on us.
How we deal with genuine shills is by demanding proof/evidence of the claims they make
Citation please. Do you see my point? Demanding evidence and citation is a common troll/shill technique - not one that is employed by earnest students.
We can’t just let it slide
Again, i understand the reasoning and logic behind such criteria. If that is your arbitrary line, so be it. The process of validation is subjective, and we all must make such determinations for ourselves. However, there are many reasons a person may reasonably not be forthcoming with evidence, for one - petulant demand. Another is that commonly it is a flimsy rhetorical technique trolls use to waste time. Bothering to actually explain further to a disingenuous party is an even bigger waste of time.
but we cannot simply allow ourselves to accept claims or statements when the faggot who posted them has no evidence for them
In general, i agree. Furthermore we cannot allow ourselves to accept claims/statements/facts merely because they have evidence that supports them. More rigorous validation is required, and - as i said - evidence is easy.
Otherwise we no longer stand for truth and can no longer parse genuine conspiracies from hoaxes (malicious or benevolent).
I avoid the word truth most of the time. Though the pursuit of truth is the ideal, i am generally more than happy to accept/obtain validated fact in lieu of it.
As for parsing genuine conspiracies from hoaxes - that is a much larger discussion.
“No one actually said a thing you claimed.”
I still have no idea what you are talking about. The OP made this post to say that you were a shill, and i responded to it. If i said something that the OP didn’t or others in the thread didn’t that is a good thing because i am adding to the conversation... right? Perhaps you could quote a specific statement that you take issue with, and we could discuss that specifically?
Neat, another coward.
Lol, you mean like you? A fellow coward?
I don't hide behind vapid insult and tell everyone I disagree with to kill themselves. My thoughts can stand by their own merits, and I merely avoid trolls like you - not run away.
Prove wrong a single thing I’ve said
What would be the point? You'd just ignore it to feel better about yourself. Your behavior is both shameful and sad.
Why would you seriously consider what a "fuckwit" had to say anyway? Especially if it contradicted your infallible ego. Lol.
Of course you have said things that are wrong. To assume otherwise is incredibly proud, stupid, and foolish.
Explain to me why you <em>don’t</em> want shills removed from the community
This is a bit complicated. Of course I want shills gone, but there are 2 things I don't think you've fully considered
- Many shills are unwitting / "useful idiots" / misguided. They need help, not censure or verbal abuse.
- The disingenuous (often paid) shills are a real menace both in reality and "cyberspace". Learning how to deal with them here is akin to learning how to deal with them there as well. Trolls/shills feed on conflict, and wither without it. Shills can be good/valuable practice, although certainly tiresome.
No one said a goddamn thing you claimed
The OP did. Did you post in the wrong place accidentally?
You’re just incapable of reading what’s actually written
Always accuse the opponent of what you are doing eh? Classic shill move. I read and earnestly respond. I don't discard and vapidly insult reflexively like you often do.
Yeah, Its one of the things that keeps me from being sure what this place is.
If you believe everything you see on the tv (screens), you will remain confused.
I am leaning toward simulation
Whether a simulation or not is irrelevant. It is real to us in any case, and objective reality demonstrably exists and is the same for everyone.
but why simulate a rat on mars
Because the (real) people who simulated the "picture from mars" made a mistake.
Maybe stargates connecting us?
Bong rips and bad tv take their toll. There are no "stargates" in reality. Only on tv. Exactly as it is with mars the rodenberrian "planet", and for the same reasons. Again, whether this is a simulation or not is irrelevant. This reality exists, and it has fixed/immutable rules that are demonstrable to/for all.
Indeed!
I have many musings on the subject, but the point is that every human that has existed before our modern "space age" is believed to be wrong about what mars is. I am merely saying that we still are today, and for the same reasons as then.
Have you seen the photos of the rat on mars, perchance?
And if you knew that mars was not a planet at all, how would that change your view?
Our common enemy needs slaves. If they killed them all, they'd have to do their work for themselves - a fate worse than death to them, undoubtedly.
"Censorship is free speech. Slavery is freedom." - "president" diaper head
According to the completely trustworthy MIC, the moon does have “atmosphere”.
You can validate those assumptions with a pencil, paper, ruler, compass, and protractor
No, you can’t. The assumption of the earths orbit (and its correct diameter) around the sun yearly is baked into such calculations - for one.
Or you can look up the proofs
Proofs do not exist outside of mathematics in an objective way. Proof is subjective.
I’m telling you that i have seen the “proofs” and they rely on unvalidated assumption.
If the Sun is small and local, you shouldn't need to be all that far apart to have a detectable angular difference.
I think this is a reasonable assumption. Many have completed this procedure and calculated the sun to be a few thousand miles away. Of course, for such calculations to be correct also requires the unvalidated (and easily refuted) assumption that the matter between the sun and observers does not alter its apparent path/position in any way. Because of air, for one, the sun often appears to be somewhere different than it actually is. Optics are tricky..
The same technique can be used to measure the distance to anything, whether it's a mountain in the distance, or a tree in your neighbor's back yard.
True, but the further you are from such observed points, the less accurate and dependable the procedure - for the same reasons above, and others.
Yeah, based on the physics of parallax & trigonometry
So we are taught. But there are many unvalidated assumptions baked into such calculations. Astronomy is rife with them.
so you think it's all fake
No, i have concluded it is wrong; slightly different.
If you want to argue against the physics of light, you go right ahead.
The physics of light doesn’t prove nor measure a distance to a star.
since you are claiming things without any empirical evidence
Like what? If you are looking for empirical evidence, just ask!
which is the fundamental basis of science
Agreed.
I don't argue with people who think rationally and can provide facts to support their claims
Personally, i don’t think you should argue at all. It’s for fools. But if you had to - people who think rationally and can provide evidence for their claims would be more interesting than others, surely.
I argue with low-IQ morons who think they are smarter than those that matriculate. Lol.
That is very sad. Arguing with idiots makes you even stupider (and belligerent) than they are :( I urge you to reconsider. Capable students prefer earnest discussion and research, and the intelligent have no need to argue with fools to feel better about themselves.
I hope you are a child, or a bot - for your sake.
the guy is suggesting that the image or earth as a globe as a fake news.
And if it was, would you want to know it?
Light from stars travels billions of years
Ah, but does it really?! We are certainly taught that it does, and required to repeat it in order to matriculate...
don't see the sun 24 hours a day.
Right, because the sun isn’t bright enough AND there is too much matter in the way.
You are seriously a fucking idiot.
I recommend viciously attacking the thought, but never the thinker. Ad hominem is the last resort of the intellectually feeble. Your ideas/positions should stand on their own merits, and not require such mudslinging.
There are other views than your own, and everyone who considers them is not automatically an idiot for doing so.
If the earth were flat it wouldn't have a core
Possibly. Certainly it wouldn’t have a “core” of a sphere, anyway.
and so it wouldn't have a magnetic field
This is a leap. Honestly the idea that the molten core is responsible for the magnetic field is incredibly unscientific and stupid - regardless of the true shape of the world. It was simply made up and taught to children. It’s mythology. The geodynamo has been discarded by most all competent geophysicists.
Also there wouldn't be an atmosphere because it's the magnetic field that protects it from blowing away with solar winds.
Actually, the problem is far worse than that. Fundamentally there would be no atmosphere because there would be an infinite vaccum directly next to it. The solar wind would have nothing to blow at all if that were the case.
If you have interest in the subject, including critical/against, and want to discuss these ideas further - please join us on flatearthresearch!
If the Earth was a disc, there would be somewhere on Earth, every day, where the sun rises due south and sets due north, and vice versa, where the sun crosses the "edge".
This is a mistake caused by you conflating two incompatible worldviews. If the earth is a disc and has an edge, there is no reason to assume that the sun would cross over that edge. You are probably imagining a flat disc “floating through space” - which is what i mean by conflating incompatible worldviews.
This has never been observed by anyone
True (as far as i am aware).
therefore the Earth is not a disc.
False, it just means the sun always rises in the east and sets in the west regardless of where you are on earth. It doesn’t prove (nor depend on) the earth’s shape in any way.
but FE doesn't make any sense based on observable reality
If you’d like to understand it / have it make sense - please join us to discuss it on flatearthresearch! Of course, simply because something makes sense doesn’t make it correct and vice versa.
If the Earth isn't a globe, it's definitively not flat.
Possibly. In my personal view, assuming it is covered in 70+% liquid water, it is surely mostly flat.
Allas8 answered your question fully, and provided a picture!
The bigger point you are missing is that IF the world is flat then it is obviously possible. Asking how it is possible is largely irrelevant.
IF the world is flat then every observation we make, occurs on a flat earth. Even if we can’t explain why/how (in this case it is easy to explain/imagine/conceptualize how - in any case)
Good question.
What if i told you that space was only a fictional scene location seen on tv/screens?
What if i told you that the reason nasa faked the moon landing and mission to mars is because neither are rocks floating above our heads that never fall (because that’s stupid). They are lights, and lights cannot be landed upon - even if we could reach them.
If you’d like to discuss (or merely criticize) such ideas further, please join us on flatearthresearch!