I don't hide behind vapid insult and tell everyone I disagree with to kill themselves. My thoughts can stand by their own merits, and I merely avoid trolls like you - not run away.
Prove wrong a single thing I’ve said
What would be the point? You'd just ignore it to feel better about yourself. Your behavior is both shameful and sad.
Why would you seriously consider what a "fuckwit" had to say anyway? Especially if it contradicted your infallible ego. Lol.
Of course you have said things that are wrong. To assume otherwise is incredibly proud, stupid, and foolish.
Explain to me why you <em>don’t</em> want shills removed from the community
This is a bit complicated. Of course I want shills gone, but there are 2 things I don't think you've fully considered
Many shills are unwitting / "useful idiots" / misguided. They need help, not censure or verbal abuse.
The disingenuous (often paid) shills are a real menace both in reality and "cyberspace". Learning how to deal with them here is akin to learning how to deal with them there as well. Trolls/shills feed on conflict, and wither without it. Shills can be good/valuable practice, although certainly tiresome.
No one said a goddamn thing you claimed
The OP did. Did you post in the wrong place accidentally?
You’re just incapable of reading what’s actually written
Always accuse the opponent of what you are doing eh? Classic shill move. I read and earnestly respond. I don't discard and vapidly insult reflexively like you often do.
Great. Why are you talking about things no one here does? Are you physically capable of disproving anything I say?
My thoughts can stand by their own merits
Not when they have no evidence, they can’t.
and I merely avoid trolls like you - not run away.
Translation: “I am so afraid of you that I refuse to reply to you because I’m terrified that you will prove me wrong, so if I don’t mention you in any way I can get away with lying about you and you won’t notice.”
What would be the point?
Thanks for admitting that nothing you have ever said has been correct.
You'd just ignore it
No one cares about me. I don’t matter. You’re so fucking narcissistic that you can’t comprehend that no one else is as vapid as you are.
It’s not about me, you autistic piece of shit. It’s about truth itself, for the sake of everyone else, and having a *cited and sourced record of objective reality. If you don’t care about that, get the fuck off this website. We’re not here to post lies or opinions or fantasies. We’re here to uncover genuine conspiracies with real proof.
to feel better about yourself. Your behavior is both shameful and sad.
Project somewhere sense; it’s not working on me.
Why would you seriously consider
No one cares about me. I don’t matter. You’re so fucking narcissistic that you can’t comprehend that no one else is as vapid as you are.
It’s not about me or what I consider. You’re so much of a brain dead communist that you think everyone engages in relativism like you do. Unlike you, I am capable of entertaining an idea that I do not personally like, never mind an idea which is objectively false.
Especially if it contradicted your infallible ego.
I have no ego. I’m worthless. I don’t matter. You’re so fucking narcissistic that you can’t comprehend that no one else is as vapid as you are.
You have absolutely nothing to back up any of your claims, which is why you continue to attack me personally instead of simply humiliating me (boy, wouldn’t I look silly since I have such a big ego) by actually posting cited and sourced proof of your claims. Whoops.
Of course you have said things that are wrong.
Name one, you subhuman coward.
To assume otherwise is incredibly proud, stupid, and foolish.
Neat. So you have no examples?
there are two things
Holy shit, I agree completely. You’re absolutely right on both counts, which is why I have trouble with your complaints regarding point two. Demanding proof/evidence is our website’s immune system. How we deal with genuine shills is by demanding proof/evidence of the claims they make. When they refuse to provide proof/evidence, that’s it. We’ve caught them. After that, there’s no discussion except that of our own, because the proof-refuser has nothing more of any value to add to us. We can’t just let it slide. We can entertain the ideas presented by the shill, perhaps simply because we’d be interested in seeing where those ideas take us (to learn what they’re going to attack us with next), but we cannot simply allow ourselves to accept claims or statements when the faggot who posted them has no evidence for them. Ever. Zero tolerance. Otherwise we no longer stand for truth and can no longer parse genuine conspiracies from hoaxes (malicious or benevolent).
The OP did
Okay, yes, my mistake in the sentence. I should have said, “No one actually said a thing you claimed.” The ambiguity was in “claim of statement” vs. “actual statement.” My fault.
Why are you talking about things no one here does?
What are you talking about?
Not when they have no evidence, they can’t.
Ideas can stand on their own without evidence. And ideas that are supported by evidence are often wrong/worthless. Evidence is easy.
So you have no examples?
You misunderstand. It is you who should have the examples, not me. It is purely your foolish vanity that prevents it. Deludedly believing you are always right is stupid and vain/proud.
Project somewhere
Cool it there freud. I thought you were against the “communists” and their nonsense...
I have no ego.
Then act like it.
I’m worthless. I don’t matter
I disagree.
I am capable of entertaining an idea that I do not personally like
Not without vapid insult and calls to suicide you can’t :(
Holy shit, I agree completely
Excellent. Though your major difficulty is in disagreeing civilly, i’ll consider this a step in the right direction.
Demanding proof/evidence is our website’s immune system
I understand why you think this, but it’s wrong. We can request such proof/evidence, and arbitrate that any refusal to provide such is a reason to discard/ignore/prevent consideration, but making petulant demands is for children.
All claims, including facts which are merely one type of claim, regardless of source are our responsibility to verify thoroughly before accepting. It is the burden of all students. We can ask for help in this, but we can’t demand nor expect it. Furthermore, it is a process and skillset that we refine by doing ourselves.
In a formal debate (a silly game; base pageantry) the burden of proof falls on the claimant. In real life, it falls on us.
How we deal with genuine shills is by demanding proof/evidence of the claims they make
Citation please. Do you see my point? Demanding evidence and citation is a common troll/shill technique - not one that is employed by earnest students.
We can’t just let it slide
Again, i understand the reasoning and logic behind such criteria. If that is your arbitrary line, so be it. The process of validation is subjective, and we all must make such determinations for ourselves. However, there are many reasons a person may reasonably not be forthcoming with evidence, for one - petulant demand. Another is that commonly it is a flimsy rhetorical technique trolls use to waste time. Bothering to actually explain further to a disingenuous party is an even bigger waste of time.
but we cannot simply allow ourselves to accept claims or statements when the faggot who posted them has no evidence for them
In general, i agree. Furthermore we cannot allow ourselves to accept claims/statements/facts merely because they have evidence that supports them. More rigorous validation is required, and - as i said - evidence is easy.
Otherwise we no longer stand for truth and can no longer parse genuine conspiracies from hoaxes (malicious or benevolent).
I avoid the word truth most of the time. Though the pursuit of truth is the ideal, i am generally more than happy to accept/obtain validated fact in lieu of it.
As for parsing genuine conspiracies from hoaxes - that is a much larger discussion.
“No one actually said a thing you claimed.”
I still have no idea what you are talking about. The OP made this post to say that you were a shill, and i responded to it. If i said something that the OP didn’t or others in the thread didn’t that is a good thing because i am adding to the conversation... right? Perhaps you could quote a specific statement that you take issue with, and we could discuss that specifically?
Literally no. Congratulations on admitting you’re insane.
And ideas that are supported by evidence are often wrong/worthless.
Wrong.
Evidence is easy.
No.
You misunderstand.
No.
It is you who should have the examples, not me.
Thank you for admitting that everything you said is a lie. Presented without evidence = dismissed without evidence. They’re your claims. You have to prove them or they’re going to be ignored.
It is purely your foolish vanity that prevents it.
Said the psychopath who refuses to prove his own claims.
Deludedly believing you are always right is stupid and vain/proud.
Good thing no one here is doing that, right? Fuck off, illiterate.
Cool it there freud. I thought you were against the “communists” and their nonsense...
“You’re a communist because you called outmybehavior in which communists engage!”
Goddamn, you’re shit at your job.
Then act like it.
I do. Get the fuck over it, you retarded sack of communist shit. You still cannot reply to the topic of discussion and abjectly refuse to do so. You’re a psychopathic paid shill and a moral relativist. You have nothing but your emotions. Burn in hell.
I disagree.
You don’t get to disagree. It’s not a matter of agreement. You have no voice in the matter.
Not without vapid insult and calls to suicide you can’t :(
Can. Already explained. You didn’t read. Get fucked.
your major difficulty is in disagreeing civilly
Truth isn’t a matter of agreement.
You don’t get to disagree with truth.
My people are being exterminated from the face of the Earth, so you deserve no civility when you post lies.
I understand why you think this, but it’s wrong. We can request such proof/evidence, and arbitrate that any refusal to provide such is a reason to discard/ignore/prevent consideration
Right, so… demand. Words have definitions.
but making petulant demands is for children.
Cool, we’re demanding you post evidence or that you kill yourself. Get over it, you fucking child. You don’t get to endlessly post lies and claim that your fee fees told you it’s okay because it’s true because you said so.
All claims, including facts which are merely one type of claim, regardless of source are our responsibility to verify thoroughly before accepting.
No shit.
We can ask for help in this, but we can’t demand nor expect it.
Then don’t “demand” or “expect” your lies to
go unquestioned
remain up
result in you NOT being told to commit suicide for being a communist, a paid shill, and a moral relativist, since there is no possibility of discussion with a member of these groups, a priori
Furthermore, it is a process and skillset that we refine by doing ourselves.
And I’m somehow not doing it myself by continuing to bog you, a communist paid shill moral relativist, down in self-incrimination?
In a formal debate the burden of proof falls on the claimant
Thanks for admitting you have no proof of your claims and they are dismissed.
In real life, it falls on us.
Thanks for admitting that you have no proof and that your claims are dismissed.
It’s really.
Really.
Simple to comprehend.
You say thing, you prove thing. If you no can prove, you no say. If other say thing with no proof, demand other proof. If no proof come, dismiss other thing.
If these standards are too stringent for you, find somewhere else to spam your lies. Like reddit. They love what you say there.
Not really. I’m not a mind reader. If you can’t explain what the heck it is you’re saying, i can’t possibly be expected to understand you.
Congratulations on admitting you’re insane
Perhaps, but i think i’ve just given it more thought than you. Ideas most often do not spring from evidence, nor is evidence required to support them. Ideas can be and often are compelling in and of themselves.
You have to prove them or they’re going to be ignored
Lol. This is not a debate. Currently it barely qualifies as a conversation due to your pigheaded adversarial demeanor. As i said, your belief/assumption that everything you have said is correct is stupid, vain, and proud. Pride is a fools fortress and shame’s cloak. Cast it aside if you can.
You don’t get to disagree
Then how is it i can and do?
Can
followed by
Get fucked
This is another demonstration of your disagreeing civilly?
Truth isn’t a matter of agreement.
Agreed.
You don’t get to disagree with truth.
Lol. You “get” to disagree with anything. Most (virtually all) people who claim to have inerrant truth are both wrong and religious zealots. You can and should disagree with “truth” when that “truth” is false.
My people are being exterminated from the face of the Earth, so you deserve no civility when you post lies.
Why can’t a person just be f*ing wrong anymore? Why is everyone automatically a liar? And how is being uncivil to those who could help you in your struggle, or are on your side in that struggle, going to help? If you commit yourself to acting in such a way, you are preventing collaboration. Divide and conquer is a simple game and a fundamental tactic of our common enemy. Perhaps you should stop helping them?
Words have definitions
Yes, they do. You can of course demand anything you wish, but you are not entitled to receive anything. You will catch more flies with honey, and demanding/screaming at them will always tend to drive them away.
since there is no possibility of discussion with a member of these groups
In some ways i agree with you. However, just like the shills - many of those people in those groups are not willing participants. They need help, not banishment. The disingenuous that push such philosophies/ideologies as attack are, as you say - not worth discussing with.
And I’m somehow not doing it myself by continuing to bog you
Correct. (repeatedly) Making petulant demands is not research/validation and will not help you foster, build, or refine those skills.
You may, and perhaps should, ask for help in validation - but demanding it is foolish and a common troll/shill tactic.
they are dismissed
You can dismiss anything you want. But don’t be surprised when your close minded and needlessly adversarial approach prevents you from learning new things and effectively communicating.
You say thing, you prove thing
You haven’t thought this through. Proof is not something you can give another (outside of mathematics). It is too subjective. You must do it for yourself, though you can request help!
If you no can prove, you no say
Lol. No speculation, no thought - “just the facts mam”?
If no proof come, dismiss other thing
Citation please. Provide proof.
Am i getting through to you at all? You seem caught in a loop, and are advocating for a common troll/shill tactic.
If these standards are too stringent for you
They are self defeating and closed minded to me, but you are welcome to them! In general the “put up or shut up” approach is a sound one, but you are both taking it too far and being uncivil as well as adversarial which only prevents communication and collaboration.
Lol, you mean like you? A fellow coward?
I don't hide behind vapid insult and tell everyone I disagree with to kill themselves. My thoughts can stand by their own merits, and I merely avoid trolls like you - not run away.
What would be the point? You'd just ignore it to feel better about yourself. Your behavior is both shameful and sad.
Why would you seriously consider what a "fuckwit" had to say anyway? Especially if it contradicted your infallible ego. Lol.
Of course you have said things that are wrong. To assume otherwise is incredibly proud, stupid, and foolish.
This is a bit complicated. Of course I want shills gone, but there are 2 things I don't think you've fully considered
The OP did. Did you post in the wrong place accidentally?
Always accuse the opponent of what you are doing eh? Classic shill move. I read and earnestly respond. I don't discard and vapidly insult reflexively like you often do.
Great argument.
Great. Why are you talking about things no one here does? Are you physically capable of disproving anything I say?
Not when they have no evidence, they can’t.
Translation: “I am so afraid of you that I refuse to reply to you because I’m terrified that you will prove me wrong, so if I don’t mention you in any way I can get away with lying about you and you won’t notice.”
Thanks for admitting that nothing you have ever said has been correct.
Project somewhere sense; it’s not working on me.
Name one, you subhuman coward.
Neat. So you have no examples?
Holy shit, I agree completely. You’re absolutely right on both counts, which is why I have trouble with your complaints regarding point two. Demanding proof/evidence is our website’s immune system. How we deal with genuine shills is by demanding proof/evidence of the claims they make. When they refuse to provide proof/evidence, that’s it. We’ve caught them. After that, there’s no discussion except that of our own, because the proof-refuser has nothing more of any value to add to us. We can’t just let it slide. We can entertain the ideas presented by the shill, perhaps simply because we’d be interested in seeing where those ideas take us (to learn what they’re going to attack us with next), but we cannot simply allow ourselves to accept claims or statements when the faggot who posted them has no evidence for them. Ever. Zero tolerance. Otherwise we no longer stand for truth and can no longer parse genuine conspiracies from hoaxes (malicious or benevolent).
Okay, yes, my mistake in the sentence. I should have said, “No one actually said a thing you claimed.” The ambiguity was in “claim of statement” vs. “actual statement.” My fault.
Lol.
What are you talking about?
Ideas can stand on their own without evidence. And ideas that are supported by evidence are often wrong/worthless. Evidence is easy.
You misunderstand. It is you who should have the examples, not me. It is purely your foolish vanity that prevents it. Deludedly believing you are always right is stupid and vain/proud.
Cool it there freud. I thought you were against the “communists” and their nonsense...
Then act like it.
I disagree.
Not without vapid insult and calls to suicide you can’t :(
Excellent. Though your major difficulty is in disagreeing civilly, i’ll consider this a step in the right direction.
I understand why you think this, but it’s wrong. We can request such proof/evidence, and arbitrate that any refusal to provide such is a reason to discard/ignore/prevent consideration, but making petulant demands is for children.
All claims, including facts which are merely one type of claim, regardless of source are our responsibility to verify thoroughly before accepting. It is the burden of all students. We can ask for help in this, but we can’t demand nor expect it. Furthermore, it is a process and skillset that we refine by doing ourselves.
In a formal debate (a silly game; base pageantry) the burden of proof falls on the claimant. In real life, it falls on us.
Citation please. Do you see my point? Demanding evidence and citation is a common troll/shill technique - not one that is employed by earnest students.
Again, i understand the reasoning and logic behind such criteria. If that is your arbitrary line, so be it. The process of validation is subjective, and we all must make such determinations for ourselves. However, there are many reasons a person may reasonably not be forthcoming with evidence, for one - petulant demand. Another is that commonly it is a flimsy rhetorical technique trolls use to waste time. Bothering to actually explain further to a disingenuous party is an even bigger waste of time.
In general, i agree. Furthermore we cannot allow ourselves to accept claims/statements/facts merely because they have evidence that supports them. More rigorous validation is required, and - as i said - evidence is easy.
I avoid the word truth most of the time. Though the pursuit of truth is the ideal, i am generally more than happy to accept/obtain validated fact in lieu of it.
As for parsing genuine conspiracies from hoaxes - that is a much larger discussion.
I still have no idea what you are talking about. The OP made this post to say that you were a shill, and i responded to it. If i said something that the OP didn’t or others in the thread didn’t that is a good thing because i am adding to the conversation... right? Perhaps you could quote a specific statement that you take issue with, and we could discuss that specifically?
Amazing.
Literally no. Congratulations on admitting you’re insane.
Wrong.
No.
No.
Thank you for admitting that everything you said is a lie. Presented without evidence = dismissed without evidence. They’re your claims. You have to prove them or they’re going to be ignored.
Said the psychopath who refuses to prove his own claims.
Good thing no one here is doing that, right? Fuck off, illiterate.
“You’re a communist because you called out my behavior in which communists engage!”
Goddamn, you’re shit at your job.
I do. Get the fuck over it, you retarded sack of communist shit. You still cannot reply to the topic of discussion and abjectly refuse to do so. You’re a psychopathic paid shill and a moral relativist. You have nothing but your emotions. Burn in hell.
You don’t get to disagree. It’s not a matter of agreement. You have no voice in the matter.
Can. Already explained. You didn’t read. Get fucked.
Right, so… demand. Words have definitions.
Cool, we’re demanding you post evidence or that you kill yourself. Get over it, you fucking child. You don’t get to endlessly post lies and claim that your fee fees told you it’s okay because it’s true because you said so.
No shit.
Then don’t “demand” or “expect” your lies to
And I’m somehow not doing it myself by continuing to bog you, a communist paid shill moral relativist, down in self-incrimination?
Thanks for admitting you have no proof of your claims and they are dismissed.
Thanks for admitting that you have no proof and that your claims are dismissed.
It’s really.
Really.
Simple to comprehend.
You say thing, you prove thing. If you no can prove, you no say. If other say thing with no proof, demand other proof. If no proof come, dismiss other thing.
If these standards are too stringent for you, find somewhere else to spam your lies. Like reddit. They love what you say there.
Not really. I’m not a mind reader. If you can’t explain what the heck it is you’re saying, i can’t possibly be expected to understand you.
Perhaps, but i think i’ve just given it more thought than you. Ideas most often do not spring from evidence, nor is evidence required to support them. Ideas can be and often are compelling in and of themselves.
Lol. This is not a debate. Currently it barely qualifies as a conversation due to your pigheaded adversarial demeanor. As i said, your belief/assumption that everything you have said is correct is stupid, vain, and proud. Pride is a fools fortress and shame’s cloak. Cast it aside if you can.
Then how is it i can and do?
followed by
This is another demonstration of your disagreeing civilly?
Agreed.
Lol. You “get” to disagree with anything. Most (virtually all) people who claim to have inerrant truth are both wrong and religious zealots. You can and should disagree with “truth” when that “truth” is false.
Why can’t a person just be f*ing wrong anymore? Why is everyone automatically a liar? And how is being uncivil to those who could help you in your struggle, or are on your side in that struggle, going to help? If you commit yourself to acting in such a way, you are preventing collaboration. Divide and conquer is a simple game and a fundamental tactic of our common enemy. Perhaps you should stop helping them?
Yes, they do. You can of course demand anything you wish, but you are not entitled to receive anything. You will catch more flies with honey, and demanding/screaming at them will always tend to drive them away.
In some ways i agree with you. However, just like the shills - many of those people in those groups are not willing participants. They need help, not banishment. The disingenuous that push such philosophies/ideologies as attack are, as you say - not worth discussing with.
Correct. (repeatedly) Making petulant demands is not research/validation and will not help you foster, build, or refine those skills.
You may, and perhaps should, ask for help in validation - but demanding it is foolish and a common troll/shill tactic.
You can dismiss anything you want. But don’t be surprised when your close minded and needlessly adversarial approach prevents you from learning new things and effectively communicating.
You haven’t thought this through. Proof is not something you can give another (outside of mathematics). It is too subjective. You must do it for yourself, though you can request help!
Lol. No speculation, no thought - “just the facts mam”?
Citation please. Provide proof.
Am i getting through to you at all? You seem caught in a loop, and are advocating for a common troll/shill tactic.
They are self defeating and closed minded to me, but you are welcome to them! In general the “put up or shut up” approach is a sound one, but you are both taking it too far and being uncivil as well as adversarial which only prevents communication and collaboration.