YAY. While I’d rather it not need to come to something so heavy handed, they have their own place to meet and discuss on this website without taking time away from other conspiracies that have merit and require discussion. Next I’d love to see a containment spot for all the Christian posters to get driven into.

Isn’t the Nazi swastika sitting on its point, not flat? The symbol has been used in other cultures over time as a good luck symbol.

A bit late, but while I was working oil rigs here in Canada my income tax from federal and provincial deductions worked out to 31%. Plus I had CPP and EI deductions too so i was paying 31-33% of my income to their black hole of waste. Maybe Americans get a lower rate, would have to get an American oil rig worker to weigh in on how much he got robbed off his cheques.

Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you, works been crazy lately. Enough to make a guy start looking at new jobs and I didn’t wanna do much online and take anything out on someone who doesn’t deserve it. The current model we have has earth rotating around the sun while also flying (for lack of better terms in simple form) “forward” with the sun as the whole galaxy is also moving through space. Kinda like a gyroscope spinning on different axis, we’re under multiple forces and moving in multiple directions simultaneously. This presents a large headache for doing accurate math, not that it’s impossible, it’s just complicated. Back to your proposed drone in an isolated column thought experiment. Should we take the air movement issue away, place it inside a column with no outside air movement getting in, and have a drone that flys perfectly level, we should indeed have a drone that hits the side of the column after a period of time goes by. If it doesn’t, well then we need to figure out why. Did we miss a variable? Is a calculation wrong? Thought experiments are great but then we get to what worked in theory doesn’t work in real life when all factors are at play. As for the atmosphere dissipating into the vacuum of space, I believe we are losing bits of it all the time, with some being replaced by bits of star dust and meteorites etc coming into the atmosphere as we move through space. Space isn’t as empty and clear as people think there’s lot of dust and crap up there. I give credence to the globe model as it works for transportation(shipping and air travel), fits up with the shadows seen on the moon, and the logic that in a 3D environment everything is sucked down to the center of the greatest mass as all objects are pulled together gets gravity to work everywhere on the globe pretty much the same(areas with slightly less strong gravitational pull being the exception.) The flat earth models honestly seem so silly with their need for a firmament or an ice wall. We know meteors and meteorites are real things. People on the internet love to say space is fake and gay but if it’s all fake and there’s a firmament how’d that big rock land in the middle of a field? I don’t think volcanos are throwing them everywhere and I don’t think it’s a psyop where they’re dropping them out of the planes doing Chem trails. And ice wall around the entire world also sounds ridiculous on its face. All it takes for the oceans to drain is one break in it anywhere? Any mad billionaire could send a submarine to drill a hole in it and drain the oceans and laugh as the world burns? Where’s the water going to go? How is the firmament not broken either? You can’t leave anything outside without it getting sun bleached, damaged and cracked or broken after enough time. The christ-cuck NPC’s on here seem to love the idea that we live in a 6000 year old snow globe made by Daddy Sky Wizard but anyone who starts to look at their claims finds more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese that wandered onto the set of a blind gangbang. I’m sure you’ve seen the picture showing up close and on the surface of a basketball with things set to our size and perspective it shows the basketball being flat. We’re so close to the surface of an absolutely massive ball of rock compared to our size that we can’t see enough details to see the full picture.

We have to make a few assumptions here and there’s a good chance we’re wrong. Assuming the drone gets no input to keep it straight up, well you may be able to prove that. Turning the controller off and letting the drone sit there flying on its own for example. But to assume no wind at all? Even in a calm situation you’ll find there’s actually air movement. Figuring out how the clouds should move is complicated due to the size of the planet and the sheer number of variables involved. Complex weather systems are well, complex and not only would I most likely not do it justice trying to simplify it, we’ll be here quite a while setting up the particulars of the variables that change very rapidly. Amount of sunlight , reflection off water, absorbing and reflection of heat from the sun on black tilled farmland, upper air currents, hell that’s just a short list that doesn’t even scrape the surface of how many factors are at play. So with your permission, I’ll leave the clouds movement for now? We’ll stick with the drone. Yes, I agree with you that the circumference of the orbit of the drone is larger than the circumference of the earth at ground level. While the drone is hovering 2 miles up, it’s still being pushed upon by the rotating atmosphere. Until you leave the atmosphere you’re still being pushed by it. This is a hard example to nail down details on as the higher you go up the lower the air pressure but you started off with X kinetic energy at ground level and have moved into a lower air pressure which will have less resistance to your drone relative to the air resistance at ground level. The air isn’t like still water in a swimming pool, it’s a turbulent gas mixture that’s quite hard to visualize moving the way it actually does and describing it is harder. Remember the movie twister where they put all those little sensors into the tornado to map it and show it on the computer screen? If you could do something like that with the earths atmosphere and show it to someone you could describe the events going on. The upper atmosphere can already be moving at higher speeds relative to you at ground level and without measurements of both the ground air speed and the speed at the drone height, the answer ends up being “we it could be _____”. Do you have any experiments showing a drone was set to fly up , do only vertical force and no lateral correction and flew there for an hour and then landed hundreds of miles away to present?

A bit late, but in regards to you “earth rotating so fast” question, one day is 24 hours. The earth rotates once in that time. If we wanna be precise it’s actually like 23 hours 56 minutes and 4 seconds and that’s why we do the leap year shit. Spinning once a day is like 0.0007 RPM, a very small and hard to perceive amount. Rotational speed at the equator is 27.7 KM per minute, and all objects on the earth have the same kinetic energy , including the at atmosphere. To put it another way, if you’re in a train going 100 mph and you jump up, you aren’t instantly slammed into the rear of the train car and killed, you too are going 100 mph even though you’re able to sip your drink and munch on some chips. A drone flying straight up is still in the atmosphere travelling east-west and with Newton’s third law taken into account, since no outside force is acting on the drone to slow it down it goes the same direction it was originally heading aided by the atmosphere it’s in.

No OP but I’ll weigh in. Should they be the ONLY test? No. Do they have a use as a quick metric of one’s intelligence at a social level that can expressed via communication? Yes. While we don’t judge a fish by how well it climbs a tree or judge dogs for how quick they dig train tunnels through mountains, when it comes to human intelligence you can often watch someone and tell fairly quickly if they’re smart, smart in their own way, or just plain fucking stupid.

Well, if you own enough property, wood and cutting down trees. Burn the wood to boil water, water drives steam turbine, turbine spins a generator. All of which need spare parts and maintenance but with a few careful purchases it can be done. You can also have things like a rocket mass heater in your house and use the wood for it as well as the electricity. Not everyone has the lane and trees to do it this way but it’s an option.

Gas takes extraction and logistics to move around, and after having a gas furnace and thinking I’d be warm when the power went out, no dice. Without power to drive the fan, the pilot light sits on and does fuck all. While it was nice and warm when it worked it’s coupled to electricity and just an added bill and something else to maintain in the end.

And 10-15 year lifespan is no different than early solar panel adopters. And at least my nuclear material from the reactor would be recycled unlike most of the solar arrays and windmill blades.

Indeed there’s a huge cost now but there’s been no incentive for competition to bring the costs down. Wide scale adoption and multiple companies producing equipment would bring the cost down to end consumers. Cars were once a toy for the rich, now it’s a normal everyday item. We CAN produce small neighbourhood power generators and farm sized ones, right now it’s expensive but we could change that. You can’t put a hydro electric dam just anywhere. You can’t stick a windmill just anywhere for it to be cost effective or even to make it work most of the time. You can’t put a massive solar array and battery system just anywhere if you don’t have the room for it. But a power reactor scaled down to the size of a garden shed is possible. Less material so a critical fuck up doesn’t nuke the area just fucks over YOUR generator is possible. The powers that be don’t want us to be independent and self sustaining, they want all the control. Even if you and I sat down and made a profitable business plan to make and sell garden shed nuke generators we’d face unbelievable opposition so they keep all the control. It’s sad but it’s the world we’re used to.

The fuel source could be mass produced like many other things and be made user serviceable if need be. Having multiple reactors in a neighborhood creates redundancy. If everyone has a car you can bum a ride to work when yours breaks. If everyone has to take the bus, no one’s getting to work if the bus breaks. I don’t like being on a shared resource with others if I can have a dedicated system for my family that I can maintain. Sometimes the cost is worth it.

Windmill yes but as you said wind dependant. I have trees on my property and water from the well and dugout. In a desperate situation I can take the multiple spare alternators off my fleet of cars and hook them to a simple windmill or build a steam generator that’s word burning to produce electricity as well as secondary heating. Super cheap plentiful fuel, just a lot of work on my end but doable. Nuclear fuel could be available and cheap if it wasn’t for idiots and hippies (whops tautology!) being anti nuclear since the 70’s. Theyd rather have a battery powered car same as their cell phone charger by a nimby coal plant.

Home off the grid solar is a solution if you can afford the setup, batteries and replacement costs. I’d rather pay to set up a small nuclear generator and pay for technicians to come service it once every 5 years while society lasts and take care of it myself after it crumbles. Multi day snow storms are a thing and solar don’t do shit under 3 feet of snow. Once the batteries run out you better have a fireplace in your castle, but I’d much rather have a fireplace AND my own small power generator station. Like everyone owning car instead of taking a bus, it’s more parts and upkeep but everyone has far more redundancy and can keep power going in extreme condtions that break power lines and poles.

Exactly, they pushed the ice age bullshit until they couldn’t. I’ve looked back, global cooling then global warming then just climate change because they couldn’t hit defined metrics. It’s always been a scam. We got cheated out of awesome muscle cars in the 80’s due to the fake oil shortage and now they’re pushing electric as the better than sliced bread save the planet omgbbqwtf11!!1 when there’s not enough lithium available to change every car over much less replace them in 10 years. They’ll always find a new scam but we still need ways to propel ourselves to the future.

I wasn’t trying to say we’re running out of coal anytime soon. Merely that it, unlike oil, is finite and once it’s gone it’s gone. I’d hate for future generations to be starved of a potential super resource because we simply burned it instead of using better alternatives. Sure, nuclear requires concrete and steel and expensive procedures to begin and continue operation but we get so much out of it it’s worth it. Plus some good blue collar jobs.

Indeed we can make charcoal but charcoal isn’t coal. Switching to a wood based heat system IS doable, with proper forest management and logging, but coal itself it finite. It was generated millions of years ago before bacteria that breaks down and rots the tree down evolved. Trees died and fell and got compacted and nothing broke them down and the pressure and maybe some heat(I wasn’t there at the time, lol) changed the ancient cellulose strands from the wood we know and love into coal. I’d much rather see nuclear be used in the near future and save coal for later on. Maybe we invent a process that makes it a super battery, maybe we find a combination that results in a super fuel. We won’t be able to do that if we simply burn it all when there’s better options.

Coal is dirty as shit. Not only from mining it, but since it contains trace amounts of thorium and uranium, those get released into the air from burning it. Unless you’re going to refine the coal into a clean fuel, or make some giant water bong style filters for the smoke stacks, coal is worse than nuclear and also a finite resource. Once coal is all gone it’s gone, no more gets made unless we wipe out the world and it starts over from scratch. In which case we’re still like 300-450 million years away from having new coal.

Help us Vlad, you’re our only hope!

Only if you believe the bible. Human ego and hubris makes people want to think the creator of the universe and reality is just like them. There’s no logical reason for an entity that can manipulate energy to be anything like a human. Only wishful thinking would lead to that conclusion.

Yeah mock the French who’ve been in more wars around the world than America and without who’s help you’d still be a British colony. Don’t mind André-Marie Ampère, you don’t need solenoids and it’s not like the standard measurement of the ampere is named after him or nothing. Just how fucked in the head ARE you? But then you rank Aesops fables highly on your reading list than history and science books showing the entire process so it’s honestly not surprising.

So many points to respond to, and I just say I’ve been enjoying this conversation immensely. :)

Wind and solar power may be vast and free to all but making use of these in a way that suits your need at the time can be difficult. If I need to fly home to the east and the wind is blowing south west, a wind only craft is not going to get me home, unless I can get above that wind into a jet stream going the opposite direction, ride it further than my destination to give me time and space to get down through the opposite direction wind and land on my property. Not impossible to do but for the average person who gets thrown off with road constructions causing a detour this will be a major obstacle for a lot of people.

A lower operating ceiling is a must unless you’re going to pressurize your cabin and have oxygen available. This adds more complexity and additional systems and weight that you now need a bigger craft to lift and maintain. There are no free lunches when it comes to engineering.

I disagree about jet engines being dangerous and expensive. Okay not so much about the expensive because they are currently but so was the first automobile and tractor. Mass production could bring their cost down to a reasonable level. If it was paired with a nuclear power source instead of an overgrown cell phone battery we could indeed make some interesting modes of transport.

The need to explore and travel is indeed beaten out of the average cubicle prisoner. Most people seem satisfied with a glorified mobile chair and have some of the worst taste in vehicles I can imagine but to each their own I’m told. Many would opt for the briefcase flying car from the jetsons cartoon, while others prefer a sci-fi inspired vtol craft capable of fantastic things. There’s no one size fits all solution and it’s foolish to try to implement one. We need to have a. Road range of transport to fit every need. An electric vehicle is suicidally stupid in my neck of the woods and my pickup is a horrible pain for an apartment dwelling city driver to park. My 1977 luxury car is too big for most people in my life to want to drive and a small import shithox(hell even the small domestic ones) are too cramped for my 6’5” frame. We need options for many different people and situations, so while you could have your flying airship, for 95% of people, it wouldn’t do the job they need their transportation to do.

I must reject your proposal of space being modern mythology. Meteorites and satellite signal where no cell signal exists is enough to discredit a lack of space for me. I can look for more proof and have, but don’t feel the need to list everything here unless you’re really curious.

Getting called names means fuck all in the end, but when it serves to shut down all rational discussion it’s desired effect has been achieved. I understand the need for shutting down glowies and following the rules to keep the website online but at the same time we don’t have free speech which should be criminal.

You’re right about it being a rich small group that caused the last major uprising that was successful. Private people owned warships and cannons. Nowadays they own corporations and mercenaries. The world has changed and so must we, if we wish to be more than a serfs.

Ideally I’d love a world where you jump in your iron man suit, fly over and do your work or errand without being injured, fly home and enjoy your day doing whatever. It still wouldn’t be a perfect world but transpiration would be awesome. I’m a bit of a speed demon and a slow transatlantic flight on an airship would drive me nuts from lack of productivity during the voyage. Air travel with jets makes getting there simply a part of the process instead of a massive undertaking unto itself.

You ascribe only to them what positives you yourself wish to be recognized for, and I see you fail to mention a single negative to keep them grounded and on par with the rest of us mere mortals. That you’re on the conspiracy section of this website and aren’t starting off your search for the real answer with dismissing everything you can read and be taught by those in authority as possibly but most probably corrupted to suit an agenda and not the real truth is quite frankly disappointing. I ain’t mad at you. I know it’s not even you. You’re parroting the shit you’ve swallowed and I don’t like what those who fed you did but I certainly have no vitriol towards you personally. Choosing an answer because it’s what you want to be true is a horrible way to get to the truth behind something much less your live your whole life by it.
And if you wish to defer to old scholars and those with higher intellect and reasoning than ourselves I shall indulge in the appeal to authority fallacy and add: Around 1880, some French professors attempted to formulate a secular morality, they expressed it more or less in these words: God is a useless and a costly hypothesis, so we will do without it.

“The bible accurately records the ages of major characters” yeah that was all I had to read to know I could dismiss the rest. You’re looking to a massively changed over time propaganda book claiming knowledge and facts with the worst proof ever, and thinking it’s true. Stop ascribing human traits to a universe and reality creating phenomenon. There is zero evidence your “god” has any human qualities much less any for it giving a shit about you or any individual at all.

We agree that wind power is unreliable and slow for a means of travel.

I can’t get on board with airships having lower maintenance. Instead of a ridged skin of light material held onto the frame with rivets, you have fabric sewn together, glued, with gas bladders inside. All requiring inspections, repair, disassembly and replacement, not to mention the need to maintain whatever engine you use for propulsion unless you’re a wind only craft in which case you are at the mercy of whatever way the wind sends you. Inclement weather can cause massive damage, large hail can cause punctures and loss of gas, and you have a lower operating ceiling than a pressurized craft. Can’t fly over the storm and get above the weather in an airship like you can a passenger jet.

First I’m the villain for not allowing any and all to fly unrestricted and now you won’t give us all jet engines? Where’s my freedom sir! While I jest, people should be free to choose, and that includes their means of propulsion of choice. You can have a 4 cylinder I’ll take my v8, you can have wind power I’ll take a turbo jet. Freedom!

I don’t believe we’re living in fords nightmare. I believe a lot of personal choices made for selfish and foolish reasons have led us down this path. A lot of people view their cars less as extensions of themselves and an important tool for mobility and freedom and more as a mobile chair with an engine. They happily give away control and power for a neat feature, more perceived safety, more complicated repair and maintenance that ends up being far more expensive. While I’m no Ford fan, the assembly line giving more people access to an automobile has been a good thing.

The rules were not all chosen by us, this is true. Many rules I deal with daily were forced into me and decided long before I was born. I understand a general “no killing others” rule, good for society, but speed limiting all of us when some clearly have better skill and machines to match isn’t fair it’s downright criminal. But if it’s so hard to even grab that slice of freedom back, grabbing the whole sky is about as out of reach as grabbing the moon from the top of a ladder.

Dirigibles don’t require as long of runways in ideal conditions but we need to plan for bad weather bad wind, their large size requires a lot of maneuvering room and you’ll need to keep spare gas handy in a safe storage to add additional gas to peoples airships. This requires an investment of infrastructure that seems to only cater to the rich.

“Green energy” is a selling point that may as well be snake oil energy at this point. Wind is unreliable, still uses petroleum in the generator, non recyclable fibreglass blades(can’t we use these slow breaking down hunks to reinforce roads? Cmon man!) and kill birds, bats and insects. Solar is a pipe dream with low efficiency to start with, lose efficiency as they are used, require expensive rare earth material to construct them, and generate nothing when covered in snow. Hydroelectric dams are somewhat green, if you just ignore the massive environmental disturbance, construction with specialized concrete and massive use of petroleum powered vehicles for its entire construction. And they can’t be put just anywhere they require a specific head height and pressure to operate. Geothermal is nice but like dams have to be selective of their placement and no free lunch. A small house installation sure, but a power plant from geothermal for a city requires a lot of maintenance and is only really viable where the crust is thin to start with.

We need to knock off the green energy idea and work on a new form of portable energy, and also work at miniaturized nuclear. I’d take an electric car/truck if it was self contained, nuclear and just needed the power source swapped out every 10-15 years with the power and range staying consistent during that period. Driving an overgrown cell phone battery recharged by coal power plants that loses range every time it goes through a charge cycle is the opposite of ideal.

To answer your “to the stars” question, IF it was only sci-fi made up rhetoric, like pretty much every religion, it would be a huge blow to our need to explore. I don’t think for an instant that space is “fake and gay”, amateur astronomy has been a thing far longer than either of us have been alive and we have lots of info of stars and planets and moons that you can look into without having to listen to a single lying government body. The idea that this planet is all we have access to is like saying this glass of water is all the ocean we get. Totally untrue and easy for any curious person to look into.

Waiting for the enemy to return what they stole from us is of course a shitty strategy but no one can talk about any action to reclaim what’s ours on these forums without being called a glowy shill. 1776 proved a small dedicated group can achieve greatness for many, but they’ve done wonders in replacing our warriors with Avocado toast soy drinking pussies.

Getting stuck in the age of sail was a thing. Waiting on the wind while you’re stranded and your supplies dwindling flat out sucks and can spell death if you’re not well supplied or rescued. Sailboats are still a thing albeit not popular anymore due to their drawbacks. Unpowered transoceanic flights are more of a niche than a desire of the average Joe.

Lessening the maintenance of a flying craft is something I won’t budge on and neither will any regulating body. Breaking down on the side of the road is terrible in extreme weather condtions(too hot or too cold) but at least you’re not falling out of the sky. A breakdown on an airship may be a gentle decent or it may be uncontrolled and slam the airship into a crowded freeway or a park or a school. If you’re leaving the ground, your maintenance MUST be a high priority, it can’t be lessened. Too much at stake for innocent people who had nothing to do with someone else scrimping on needed repairs.

Honestly I would love absolute freedom for all with its corresponding responsibility. But we have bad drivers, illegal drivers, hit and runs, risk takers and speeders(guilty). The airways are already fairly busy as is, adding millions more craft can be a nightmare for logistics. Right now any flying craft had to file a flight plan. A pain in the ass general drivers don’t need to do. Private pilot licenses already exist and could be expanded to include air ships if they were to increase in popularity but under no circumstances could an unlicensed party fly their airship. I would LOVE flying cars and VTOL anywhere, but it doesn’t take more than a few seconds thought to see accidents and drawbacks associated with such a system.

As for the lower speed collisions being less of an issue, no sadly. It’s not the 1950’s with 5mph bumpers where it’s expected you’ll touch another vehicle. If your airship basket collides with my airships propeller, damage can be huge if not fatal for one or both crafts. You don’t see hot air balloons playing bumper cars for a reason. A casual bump to a high voltage power line can be instantly fatal. Bumping into a building could destroy your airship and everyone onboard could perish without much chance to escape safely.

I love flying. I wish I could do more of it. I’d own my own small plane if I had the means and the money to build my own landing strip on my ranch. But allowing every Tom Dick and Harry to have an airship and fly however they want is a recipe for disaster. When the world was younger and the sky was less busy im sure it would have been great for a time. But the world we live in doesn’t make it very easy to pull off now. The road has rules, the ocean has rules and the sky has rules. Once we reach the stars, there will still be shipping lanes and again more rules. I would much rather the rules be simple and fair to everybody but they haven’t put me in charge yet.