Throughout history, the countries with the smartest people has shifted from one ethnic group to another. Egyptian, Persian, greek, roman and chinese empires were all the most powerful empires in the world over the past 2000 years. They were mostly of different ethnicities and weren't white. Also the romans being white is just complete nonsense, the ancient roman historians described the romans having Mediterranean features in comparison to germans having western european features in contrast.
My point is that what determines the smartest ethnic groups are just circumstantial luck which allows the populace to take over neighboring countries, trade routes, and to acquire knowledge and advancements. Whites aren't just better than everybody else, contrary to what white supremacists would want you to believe.
Living rent free? Are those in the room right now? Mental gymnastics. People are done with ones trying to bend history to invert narrative.
How exactly am I misrepresenting history here? Please enlighten me.
You’d probably like the book Guns, Germs, and Steel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel
Thanks for the book suggestion, I’m definitely interested in reading this because it goes way more in depth on what I’m talking about.
For sure.
I think it raises some important points (ones which anyone who has ever played Civilization will be able to tell you - e.g. “fuck, I have no horses/iron/oil resources”), but at the same time I agree with much of the criticism, that it vastly over simplifies things in an attempt to tell a “Just So” story from the marxist perspective of human ethnic differences (i.e. that they don’t exist, obvious non-sense)
Oh, for sure. Most things aren’t just black and white. There are definitely differences between races, but that doesn’t necessarily mean one is genetically predisposed to being smarter than other. There are plenty of other factors to consider when talking about intelligence.
Define white supremacy.
I don’t really like playing the semantics game, but I am reasoning that the white supremacists idea of all other races being genetically less smart is wrong.
For the sake of productive discussion me and u/MysteriousFedKnight are trying to clarify not only the definition but the intent behind what you are saying.
I previously said I thought you were saying that some white people think just being white makes them superior and I said I thought you were saying historically that hasn't been the case.
For my part, the only human superior to any other is Jesus Christ who is also God and through Him all humanity can evolve into the new man. Though that has nothing to do with being an industrious peoples, per se.
I have removed the derogation from him against you and now we are seeking common ground. Your help in this matter is appreciated.
This is exactly what I’m saying, specifically in the case of intelligence
Thanks for your reply. Adding u/MysteriousFedKnight
What even defines intelligence? Is it work output and empire building? Is it leadership and community forming? Is it dominance over others? What then is dominance? Is it the same thing as intelligence? I'm not so sure.
No definition relevated. And that is not any answer to my question. I see nothing resolutive there, just a guy avoiding a question, and another (i recognize, in good faith) not wanting to see what this is about.
I think what it is about is pretty obvious given 3 non answers by the guy.
So can he define what he meant by white supremacy, or do i have to fake satisfaction for an answer i asked first that was never given? i'm not going to pretend.
I never wanted any fake agreement. Can this guy answer a simple question about his own thread or not? We wasting time looking for fake agreements if he can't or won't.
He agreed that his idea of white supremacy is being of superior (intelligence) based on being white and he is disagreeing that that is correct.
I'm still trying to know what the definition of intelligence would be.
Edit: no, I am not looking for fake agreements either.
Thanks, now i know i can ignore his ideas given he thinks in fantasy only.
He could have answered easily, but sadly no one want to say he lives in pure fantasy like this guy.
Non answer.
Because your question is irrelevant to what I’m saying.
It's very relevant wether you know the meaning of the words you use to entertain your thoughts.
You use a commercial simplicistic and often plain wrong definition.
But nevermind, I got my insight.
Do white supremacists have an idea of all/most other races being genetically less smart than whites?
If you can prove they don’t, then what I’m saying is not contrarian to the doctrine of white supremacy.
You didn't even define white supremacist.
Are you one of those using those words for any kind of white ethno nationalism anywhere and using iq diff claim as a red herring?
Buddy, I made a claim about white supremacy. If you can’t disprove my claim, then there’s nothing to discuss here.
Looking at the average iq 's from around the world should give u a hint. The state of the countries with the lowest iq's are shitholes.
Yes, I didn’t deny that. I’m saying that the countries/peoples with the highest average iq have changed over time because of circumstantial luck and that one ethnicity isn’t just genetically smarter than another.
it does not have to be either or
genes matter, so does upbringing, circamstances, luck, and genetric drift
Non-white population groups have the genes to be as smart/smarter than whites. That’s just what I’m trynna say
Can you back that claim? Do you have any paper that can corroborate this?
The fact that Iran is ranked 4th globally in iq and has been smarter than whites for most of human history is proof enough.
Dude, persian people are white. Only a small percentage of Iranians are arab/kurdish. Go to google and take a look yourself. You continue to disprove yourself. Do you understand that muslim≠arab - one is religion, the other is ethnicity? Not all muslim nations are arabic. Why do you even talk about ethnicities when you have no clue about the subject? You literally thought South Italians were not white...
Cut the bs with that "non-white people" where you can plug all kinds of white people because they don't fit your narrow category of nordic people. If all non-white people are on par, prove that blacks are as smart too.
Yes, Indian people are also white. So are the berbers of Africa. Let’s throw in the Chinese, Japanese and Hispanics also. Only people that aren’t white are those mixed race Slavic people. Genghis Khans invasion from 800 years ago forever tainted their dna. You realize how wrong your logic is now?
Only populations that are white are Slavs, WASP, celts, and Nords. They are genetically closer to each other than any other population group. Deal with it, the southern Italians and Greeks aren’t white.
so do elephants
They don’t though.
Ya south Africa proves who and what will make a region prosper....lol
Average/avarie - "damage to ship" aka damage to goods (life) in transit (inception towards death). To be implies extraordinary...hence few suggesting averages to tempt many into undermining one another.
A jew suggests arithmetic averages to distract gentiles from ones intermediate free will of choice within nature's balance.
And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant (Gen. 9:25-27).
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all (Rom. 11:29-32).
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us (Acts 17:24-27).
Sounds like there's potential for shifting of status and potential for retention of gifts both.
Such a poor argument. There's an assumption that at any given time, the "smartest people" formed the most powerful empires. First off, most of the empires you listed existed parallel to each other in different parts of the world without destroying each other. The white Christian European civilization dominated the whole world for a very long time. No other civilization achieved global hegemony.
Mediterranean people are still white except for the arabs living in Africa. Have you seen Roman statues and images? Dudes were white, deal with it.
Great assertion. How do you back it up? Do you think appealing to luck and chance is a good argument when discussing large scale historic events?
The Egypt, Persia, Greek, and Roman empires all fought each other and sometimes completely destroyed each others at times.
No, the physical features of those statues were mostly of a Mediterranean type. The historians literally described the Roman’s as looking noticeably different from the “white” Germans. You can’t just claim they’re white because you feel like it. They weren’t white, deal with it.
It’s backed up by the fact the smartest ethnicity has changed throughout history and hasn’t been whites for most of it. This means that genetics doesn’t determine the smartest ethnicity but other factors such as circumstantial luck do.
No shit. Does that make South Europeans (Italians and Greeks) not white? Where did you get the idea that all white people are nordic vikings?
How did you determine what the smartest ethnicity at any given time was?
Greeks during alexanders time were closer to levatine arabs than germans genetically. Roman italians from the time of Christ were also closer to the levant. They weren't white genetically, deal with it.
The same criteria white supremacists use, which ethnicity had the highest living standards, most power, and advancements.
What kind of argument is that? Greeks were white. So were Romans. So are today's Greek and Italians. I don't care who they were close to - why are Germanic people the criteria of whiteness? How do you determine who's white genetically? Is there a "white gene"? Whiteness is a metaphysical category, not just a biological set of traits. Don't you get you're being ad hoc?
The point is that there's no direct comparison. Carthage dominated Africa but were crushed by Rome when they were confronted. The same happened to the Indian empire, China, Japan, the Aztecs, etc. You have an overly simplistic view of history and economics as if civilizations are pokemon cards with explicit stats that can be compared.
Btw, how do you rule out luck? You appealed to luck as being the reason for white hegemony - how do you know it's not luck that made those other non-white civilizations great? Maybe it has nothing to do with being smart and capable? You only dig yourself deeper.
They are literally closer genetically to levent Arabs than any European population. Pick the Slavs, celts, nords, Germans, and the results will be the same. They aren’t white, deal with it.
Sure, but the ancient Greeks and Romans weren’t biologically white, so they metaphysically couldn’t be.
It’s luck that made every civilization great. Some civilizations have a string of great leaders and the right resources to go out and conquer other nations and make advancements. They do and then become great.
You literally can't understand what I'm saying - why do you assume the Nordic people or the Slavs are the standard of whiteness and not the Greek and the Romans? Of course people from the Levant would be genetically closer to southern Europeans because they live in similar climates and are close to each other. That doesn't make them less white though - it makes Levant people closer to whites and not vice versa.
Imagine going to a Julius Caesar and saying to him he's not white because he's not like the barbarians or the vikings. This is the most retarded bs I've heard in a while.
Thanks for destroying your own argument which was that the greatness of a civilization was tied to how smart its people are. Turns out it's all about luck.
Levant Arabs aren’t white, neither are ancient Greeks and southern Italians from the time of Jesus. You can’t just claim they’re white because you feel like it.
A Roman from the time of Jesus would agree that he is a civilized med and not a white “barbarian” because white≠great.
Luck is what makes one ethnicity “smarter” than another. That’s why whites aren’t “genetically” smarter than everybody else and the smartest ethnicity had been changing throughout history.
The genius and the retard have existed in all combinations everywhere all throughout time.
In Septuagint, Greek ta ethne translates Hebrew goyim, plural of goy "nation," especially of non-Israelites, hence especially "gentile nation, foreign nation not worshipping the true God" (see goy), and ethnikos is used by ecclesiastical writers in a sense of "savoring of the nature of pagans, alien to the worship of the true God," and as a noun "the pagan, the gentile."... https://www.etymonline.com/word/ethnic
White implies pure light aka fully luminous and devoid of hue (aka human). Light generates a spectrum within which each ray (race) comes into being, which allows each being to purify within light or to pollute into darkness.
A jew suggests white (pure light) and black (absence of light) to tempt gentiles who choose either side into a conflict against one another. Why? To mix the visible spectrum of light, which distorts the sight of each being within.
Smart/smert - "pain"... https://www.etymonline.com/word/smart aka punishment aka the agony suffered by Christ. A jew tempts gentiles to view each other as "smart"; thereby establishing a consensus about punishment.
Body implies each (partial); not every (whole) aka apart from one another...not together.
Aka em (within) pire (to produce) aka each single being produced within nature....not the plural "empires" build by few beings to tempt many beings into wiling subjection to imperial power.
Nature implies delineation (inception towards death) of being (life)...a jew suggests circular thinking (logic) to tempt gentiles into circular conflict (reason), which in re-TURN permits each jew centralized con-TROL over gentile CIRCUM-ference. And what does each jew do at center of circumference? Erecting self while circumcising the circumference.
Being implies as above/so below aka in-between aka rising (life) during fall (inception towards death) aka inferior within superior.
A jew tempts gentiles to fight one another aka inferior vs inferior, which in return permits each jew the superior position above gentiles by simply suggesting the ring for gentiles to fight each other in.
One cannot sense nothing. A jew suggest nihil-ism (nihilo; nothing) to tempt gentiles to de-nial everything perceivable for suggested nothing.
Example 1: Seinfeld's Nothing Pitch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQnaRtNMGMI
Example 2: The Believer. "Cause it's the deepest impulse of a jewish soul to pull at the very fabric of life until there's nothing left but a thread. They want nothing but nothingness; nothingness without end."... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUjy1Dhx-k