Any people you like listening to or sites with teachings you like?
That does not work like that, at least here. We have kind of Orthodox media with preaches and all that stuff, but it is popular mostly among specific type of those who wanna look like hardcore believers for themselves. There was attempts to make orthodox christianity "popular" or "fashionable" in western meaning, but they are failed. People don't need that.
There is orthodox literature, books written by different people, not necessary priests. Really most of known Russian literature is orthodox, one way or another.
If you want something to get the very basics of orthodox christianity, may be try "Dialogues" by archpriest Valentin - you could find it interesting - https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/Valentin_Sventsitskij/dialogi/ (Try to use online translator, not shure it will give perfect translation, but at least you will get something). I think it is a very good introduction in Orthodox Christianity for an adult newbie. Something like Orthodoxy ReadMe. Why, how, where - all basic stuff.
If you have real, practical questions, you could just go to church and have a talk with a real priest who carry the touch of Christ through sequence of ordinations. No need for podcasts and sites with teachings. May be just Grace of God could not be stored on hard drives and people feel that.
Yeah that sites works a good amount translates to english thank you. Years ago when I was looking into Church history I found it more appealing than modern western christianity. was thinking of seeing what I could glean from it.
If I had to label i would consider myself of Natsarim understanding now.
Check out on YT Jay Dyer, Church of the Eternal Logos, Abbot Tryphon, Father Spyridon Bailey and Father Josiah Trenham Also checkout orthowiki for general questions.
This is such a dead forum that nearly anything goes, but it is supposed to be a forum specifically for discussing and debating conspiracy theories, so conspiracy theories involving or surrounding a religion would certainly apply, but if you roll out a hopeful message don't be shocked getting polarized doomer opinions, and vice versa (people who open up with doomer opinions are also fair game for positive counter arguments), only people who think they're going to have a preacher on the pulpit experience have a bad time
Heres mine Have you looked into the two world views that were competing around Jesus time Hebrew (Concrete -action) vs Greek Gnostic (Abstract- thought). I believe the Hellenism won out in the 300s . Augustine was a Manichean and many came from Gnostic backgrounds and brought the understanding separating the original assembly of Natsarim.
Sorry for misunderstanding no he was not he was from the manichean gnostics.
Natsarim is what the movement of the Messiah was called it was not considered a new religion as christianity is now it was just a sect of Israel with Gentiles grafted in .
Christian is the hellenized word for messianic
Meshiac=annointed.
The natsarim were ostracized from Israel after the Bar Kokhba revolt they didnt join the fight because he called himself the messiah. If he wouldve said just lets fight they wouldve joined and won possibly , Israel lost the revolt narrowly.
Marcion compiled what we now call the New Testament. The original assembly even in europe was reading the "old testament"in light of Jesus with the gospels. He said no we have our own books the "new". He was the originator of the separation or replacement mindset. He was labelled a heretic but his ideals still continued on.
You ever read Maccabees? If you do 1-2 for sure
3 no
4 is nice but when you see rationality and reason replace with integrity and steadfastness (faith).
It shows the battle they had over the greek mind frame before jesus time and it was still causing tensions in Jesus times. This is Why Jesus said I have not come to do away with the law (torah)
Torah means instructions from the root ya-rah meaning the way pointing towards, the direction to walk, or as sin is a missing the mark torah is a throwing towards the mark. Which is the fulfillment completed in Jesus the goal it.
sorry for long post just wanted to explain a lil of what Ive come upon.
Eastern Orthodox thats interesting Ive been wanting to get the apocrypha and my friend was looking for another study Bible version Ill look into getting one .Ill do better and try and visit the christianity.win more havent in a year Ill be looking for when you post your findings.
Israelite - Consists of all twelve tribes that shared inheritance to the land , ones in rebellion was meant to lose the inheritance sadly there was no follow through
Hebrew- means move/across over, Abraham as he left Ur or the crossing over and out of Egypt.
Interestingly Arab means mixed multitude or people that live in tents its not a race or ethnic signifier .
Semite-People that speak semetic language aramaic, hebrew ,arab, some ethiopian dialects.
Judaist- never heard the term
Pharisee- originally were a sect means separatist that formed after Macabees to preserve them from the Greek Hellenism; in contrast to the Sadducees the political elite When Israel was under control of Romans
What makes Jesus "jewish" ? The place he was born? His lineage?
Why should a non-jew follow a jewish god who only chose jews as disciples and only preached to jews and gave racial preference to jews and was murdered by lying jews?
Or is God a jokester and made Jesus a jew because jews are devilish fucks and He wanted to REALLY test our faith? It's hard enough to believe God would ever manifest in human flesh. But as a LYING WICKED UGLY JEW?!? They certainly tried to test ones faith.
Saw this a bit late but since there’s already a Christianity dot win why do you think you need to spew that in a dot win set up for something completely different? You wouldn’t want me and 20 others flooding your forum with V8 posts and comparing the religions of Dodge Chevy or Ford, why would we want someone coming into conspiracies and adding topics that don’t pertain? Unless it’s a conspiracy angle to religion, it doesn’t really belong here.
The fact that any of you here can take a look at governments official paperwork, history books, movies, radio, television and social media propaganda and see that it’s altered, edited, curated and guided to push specific narratives but then completely go blind when it comes to your holy book of choice really says something. And it’s not good.
You never seem to go with any other religion either. No one ever seems to come here pushing the teachings of Odin. No wacky Japanese gods. No old Chinese gods. No Aztec religion pushers, no one trying to say it’s really Zeus in charge. Just your Christianity, a religion full of Jewish bullshit among other crap. This forum isn’t dying due to glowies it’s cause too many of you think this is your bible study class.
Sorry for a late reply, things are a bit hectic here on the ranch with some equipment repairs and the animals.
You have a coherent reply with out attacks on your opponents character, such a rare thing these days I’d be remiss if I didn’t point it out and say good job. Just because it’s the internet doesn’t mean we can’t be civil.
I’m not too sure what your two points are trying to make to be honest. I’ve never said this forum nor the internet at whole is the only way to investigate conspiracies nor do I think this site or any other is “pure” and unaltered. I however can look at human history and corruption and see every single thing we’d made up get that treatment. From books to movies to the internet to vehicles to anything you wish to choose. We KNOW it’s been altered, changed and fucked with. So unless you’ve got an original of something they haven’t fucked with, you have to question the validity of your source. Now if we apply this to religion?
Do you have unaltered, original literature from the time these supposed events happened? With collaborating documentation from other sources mentioning the same thing? And you can read the text in its original form, not translated and mistranslated or intentionally mistranslated? I know it seems I’m asking the impossible here but when my opponents come claiming supernatural powers and events, those things require a great amount of explanation not simple “believe and have faith!” And after being raised Christian and looking for the answers and finding fuck all but the corruption and deception, I find it hard to believe that people who congratulate themselves on seeing through the newest psyop and bullshit kabuki theatre the “elites” put on can’t look at religion and see the same. A preacher promising eternal afterlife in a golden heaven is no different to me than a quack doctor pretending to switch a customers genitals with surgery. It’s a false promise to a mentally deluded or simple minded fool simply wanting an easy answer.
When you look at an NPC believing the next current thing, and you can’t believe they fell for it again, we’ll that’s those of us who see through religion watching a bunch of people doing the same thing again. And again and again.
People wanting to see a buff Jesus wrestle a big mean Satan and cheer him on are no different than the Q believers. It’s sad to watch, it really is.
My problem with Christianity is that the new testament does not reconcile well with the Old testament and we get two very different Gods in the way they preach and act. The Old Testament God is vengeful and speaks to jews and tells them to carry out war and genocide and sleep with other women than their own wives and even tells Abraham to sacrifice his son. Then the new testament God is pacifist, turns the cheek and gets murdered. Doesn't sound like the same God that flooded everyone out. Then he suicides himself as a sacrificial lamb? It's difficult for me to understand. The flesh of my flesh blood of my blood sounds like cannibalism or blood ritual.
It's all about a war for your soul.
But breakfast does mean to 'break the fast', as in French (dejeuner) and Spanish (desayuno)
There is only one way to find out. :)
PS: I'm Orthodox Christian.
Raised orthodox?
Baptised and raised orthodox. As most kids in USSR. Of course real understanding comes with age.
Any people you like listening to or sites with teachings you like?
That does not work like that, at least here. We have kind of Orthodox media with preaches and all that stuff, but it is popular mostly among specific type of those who wanna look like hardcore believers for themselves. There was attempts to make orthodox christianity "popular" or "fashionable" in western meaning, but they are failed. People don't need that.
There is orthodox literature, books written by different people, not necessary priests. Really most of known Russian literature is orthodox, one way or another.
If you want something to get the very basics of orthodox christianity, may be try "Dialogues" by archpriest Valentin - you could find it interesting - https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/Valentin_Sventsitskij/dialogi/ (Try to use online translator, not shure it will give perfect translation, but at least you will get something). I think it is a very good introduction in Orthodox Christianity for an adult newbie. Something like Orthodoxy ReadMe. Why, how, where - all basic stuff.
If you have real, practical questions, you could just go to church and have a talk with a real priest who carry the touch of Christ through sequence of ordinations. No need for podcasts and sites with teachings. May be just Grace of God could not be stored on hard drives and people feel that.
Yeah that sites works a good amount translates to english thank you. Years ago when I was looking into Church history I found it more appealing than modern western christianity. was thinking of seeing what I could glean from it. If I had to label i would consider myself of Natsarim understanding now.
Check out on YT Jay Dyer, Church of the Eternal Logos, Abbot Tryphon, Father Spyridon Bailey and Father Josiah Trenham Also checkout orthowiki for general questions.
Appreciate it Ill look them up
This is such a dead forum that nearly anything goes, but it is supposed to be a forum specifically for discussing and debating conspiracy theories, so conspiracy theories involving or surrounding a religion would certainly apply, but if you roll out a hopeful message don't be shocked getting polarized doomer opinions, and vice versa (people who open up with doomer opinions are also fair game for positive counter arguments), only people who think they're going to have a preacher on the pulpit experience have a bad time
Heres mine Have you looked into the two world views that were competing around Jesus time Hebrew (Concrete -action) vs Greek Gnostic (Abstract- thought). I believe the Hellenism won out in the 300s . Augustine was a Manichean and many came from Gnostic backgrounds and brought the understanding separating the original assembly of Natsarim.
Sorry for misunderstanding no he was not he was from the manichean gnostics. Natsarim is what the movement of the Messiah was called it was not considered a new religion as christianity is now it was just a sect of Israel with Gentiles grafted in .
Christian is the hellenized word for messianic
Meshiac=annointed.
The natsarim were ostracized from Israel after the Bar Kokhba revolt they didnt join the fight because he called himself the messiah. If he wouldve said just lets fight they wouldve joined and won possibly , Israel lost the revolt narrowly.
Marcion compiled what we now call the New Testament. The original assembly even in europe was reading the "old testament"in light of Jesus with the gospels. He said no we have our own books the "new". He was the originator of the separation or replacement mindset. He was labelled a heretic but his ideals still continued on.
You ever read Maccabees? If you do 1-2 for sure 3 no 4 is nice but when you see rationality and reason replace with integrity and steadfastness (faith).
It shows the battle they had over the greek mind frame before jesus time and it was still causing tensions in Jesus times. This is Why Jesus said I have not come to do away with the law (torah)
Torah means instructions from the root ya-rah meaning the way pointing towards, the direction to walk, or as sin is a missing the mark torah is a throwing towards the mark. Which is the fulfillment completed in Jesus the goal it.
sorry for long post just wanted to explain a lil of what Ive come upon.
Eastern Orthodox thats interesting Ive been wanting to get the apocrypha and my friend was looking for another study Bible version Ill look into getting one .Ill do better and try and visit the christianity.win more havent in a year Ill be looking for when you post your findings.
God Bless
hoping it helps you
What is the difference between an Israelite, Hebrew, Semite, Judaist, Pharisee and Jew?
Israelite - Consists of all twelve tribes that shared inheritance to the land , ones in rebellion was meant to lose the inheritance sadly there was no follow through
Hebrew- means move/across over, Abraham as he left Ur or the crossing over and out of Egypt.
Interestingly Arab means mixed multitude or people that live in tents its not a race or ethnic signifier .
Semite-People that speak semetic language aramaic, hebrew ,arab, some ethiopian dialects.
Judaist- never heard the term
Pharisee- originally were a sect means separatist that formed after Macabees to preserve them from the Greek Hellenism; in contrast to the Sadducees the political elite When Israel was under control of Romans
Jew- term originally comes from Judah the tribe
we can also add
Bankers
Bolsheviks
ZIonists
Synagogue of Satan
The word Jew did not exist at the time of Christ.
Was the descriptive word "jew" sloppily applied in the King James version of the bible? What does it actually mean in the context of the KJV?
What makes Jesus "jewish" ? The place he was born? His lineage?
Why should a non-jew follow a jewish god who only chose jews as disciples and only preached to jews and gave racial preference to jews and was murdered by lying jews?
Or is God a jokester and made Jesus a jew because jews are devilish fucks and He wanted to REALLY test our faith? It's hard enough to believe God would ever manifest in human flesh. But as a LYING WICKED UGLY JEW?!? They certainly tried to test ones faith.
Saw this a bit late but since there’s already a Christianity dot win why do you think you need to spew that in a dot win set up for something completely different? You wouldn’t want me and 20 others flooding your forum with V8 posts and comparing the religions of Dodge Chevy or Ford, why would we want someone coming into conspiracies and adding topics that don’t pertain? Unless it’s a conspiracy angle to religion, it doesn’t really belong here. The fact that any of you here can take a look at governments official paperwork, history books, movies, radio, television and social media propaganda and see that it’s altered, edited, curated and guided to push specific narratives but then completely go blind when it comes to your holy book of choice really says something. And it’s not good. You never seem to go with any other religion either. No one ever seems to come here pushing the teachings of Odin. No wacky Japanese gods. No old Chinese gods. No Aztec religion pushers, no one trying to say it’s really Zeus in charge. Just your Christianity, a religion full of Jewish bullshit among other crap. This forum isn’t dying due to glowies it’s cause too many of you think this is your bible study class.
Sorry for a late reply, things are a bit hectic here on the ranch with some equipment repairs and the animals.
You have a coherent reply with out attacks on your opponents character, such a rare thing these days I’d be remiss if I didn’t point it out and say good job. Just because it’s the internet doesn’t mean we can’t be civil.
I’m not too sure what your two points are trying to make to be honest. I’ve never said this forum nor the internet at whole is the only way to investigate conspiracies nor do I think this site or any other is “pure” and unaltered. I however can look at human history and corruption and see every single thing we’d made up get that treatment. From books to movies to the internet to vehicles to anything you wish to choose. We KNOW it’s been altered, changed and fucked with. So unless you’ve got an original of something they haven’t fucked with, you have to question the validity of your source. Now if we apply this to religion?
Do you have unaltered, original literature from the time these supposed events happened? With collaborating documentation from other sources mentioning the same thing? And you can read the text in its original form, not translated and mistranslated or intentionally mistranslated? I know it seems I’m asking the impossible here but when my opponents come claiming supernatural powers and events, those things require a great amount of explanation not simple “believe and have faith!” And after being raised Christian and looking for the answers and finding fuck all but the corruption and deception, I find it hard to believe that people who congratulate themselves on seeing through the newest psyop and bullshit kabuki theatre the “elites” put on can’t look at religion and see the same. A preacher promising eternal afterlife in a golden heaven is no different to me than a quack doctor pretending to switch a customers genitals with surgery. It’s a false promise to a mentally deluded or simple minded fool simply wanting an easy answer.
When you look at an NPC believing the next current thing, and you can’t believe they fell for it again, we’ll that’s those of us who see through religion watching a bunch of people doing the same thing again. And again and again.
People wanting to see a buff Jesus wrestle a big mean Satan and cheer him on are no different than the Q believers. It’s sad to watch, it really is.
I enjoy a good post.
My problem with Christianity is that the new testament does not reconcile well with the Old testament and we get two very different Gods in the way they preach and act. The Old Testament God is vengeful and speaks to jews and tells them to carry out war and genocide and sleep with other women than their own wives and even tells Abraham to sacrifice his son. Then the new testament God is pacifist, turns the cheek and gets murdered. Doesn't sound like the same God that flooded everyone out. Then he suicides himself as a sacrificial lamb? It's difficult for me to understand. The flesh of my flesh blood of my blood sounds like cannibalism or blood ritual.