Could you point me to any UFO wistleblower from govenment, military, science, etc. areas that revealed exact technical details about UFO. I mean really technical - not somehing like "it could hover silently!" or "It could turn at 90° at high speed!" or senseless drawings or descriptions of exterior or interior. Something like exact weight, power source output in Watts, maximum thrust in kN, something like "Power source connected to the engine with a cable/pipe/whatever with diameter/cross-section of ... <- exact value"? Anything like that?
First thing that engineer, scientist, military will do with unknown technology is to measure it. And it is not about dimentions, it is about all possible parameters. Also he definitely will try to find and write out distinct parts interconnections and think out a way to categorise different distinct parts, even if he have no clue what it is and how it works. And that are the things that any real whistleblower from aforementioned institutions will wistleblow. They just can't be unaware of that things if they really tried to use, work on, reverse engineer or study that UFOs.
What I find very suspisious, apart of complete absense of known technologies that appeared from nowhere without any traces of preceding technologies, is that there are no any technical details about UFOs governments presumably possess from any known to me wistleblower.
I treat all stories about UFOs from the government as psyops until proven otherwise.
I think you underestimate what the govt is capable of when it comes to high secrets. Think of the politicians and other government employees that tried to reveal Jews in high places, or other secret elites: JFK, that one congressman in the 80s, Seth Rich, the woman who knew of Obama’s real birth certificate. Shot dead or died in a plane crash.
If a leak is suspected or detected, or if an agency get a whiff of someone maybe potentially hypothetically sort-of-kind-of going to leak something, that person is done. There are so few real leakers that survive, that those who claim they are leakers and still talking about it are absolutely NOT leakers.
Case and point; alien tech, being such a high secret, is bound to end the lives of those who try to share it. We know they have it, but that’s all. The best information we can get on this technology is from intelligent speculators who are already on the outside looking in.
This is like asking why there arent technical specifications for enriching uranium or building nuclear reactors lmao. People get sentenced for life for leaking this stuff.
But back to op's point, the closest weve ever gotten is the piece of metal that showed up on the art bell show. And the hacked documents from McKinnon.
Both could be fake, or they could both be real. I lean towards the artifact on the art bell show being real because the academy of stars organization claims to have some of these materials, though I dont know if they have ever shown it.
I think when the government claims they recovered some of these things, I believe it. I cant help but think of the last few years with a ufo supposedly shot down in russia, as well as brazil. Seems like it happened after elons 5g network started going up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xDsOkrPRo
Supposedly at this time, they had no idea how to make this material, or why anyone would even want to make it. I remember hearing years later in a youtube video at a ufo convention where some retired scientist for the military was speaking there.
Claiming that he couldnt talk about alot because he didnt want to spend the rest of his life in prison, but one of the things he talked about was what this metal could do. Supposedly it has something to do with amplifying quantum forces, he claims so they can rewrite the laws of physics in a bubble around the ship.
I remember dude had a good chuckle saying, if you ever see one of these on the ground glowing dont walk up to it.
I for the LIFE Of me cannot find this interview. Someone must know what im talking about?
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Well, after like 30+ minutes searching I gave up. Come across this joe rogan interview. Forgot joe thinks its all fake too. I guess hes never seen a ufo either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aQDIfzSAtk, his guest comparing humans to birds and then brings religion into it. Yes because one singular abrahamic god is totally the only religion that actually exists, said everyone else with their own flavor of religion.
But im the crazy one for believing that there might be more to it? LOL.
Thats like earlier I was reading about the baghdad battery, literally just pages of debunking about the subject. Saying that the pieces dont fit together and that no was electroplating jewerly at the time. While some process of gold leaf have been lost over time, what the egyptians and bablonians 3000 years before them were doing was so perfect the only real explanation is electroplating.
Despite all the evidence, people think its fake lol. It works both ways, just saying. But considering how subjective life is, there are just as many different beliefs as there are people. I dont think any less of you guys for believing in flat earth or the q conspiracy. Not sure why you feel the need to hate others with a different belief than you.
Again, if I had never seen a ufo, I would proably doubt it too. But the first time I seen one, back in like 1990, i knew it was not a human flying something moving that fast. They would be mush. When they hover in place for a hour and shoot off in the blink of an eye, its nothing like a meteor or a plane. Its unmistakable.
It's funny how joe says ufo believers are living in denial ^^, most people who believe in ufos are like me. They seen something, what they are looking for is an explanation that actually makes sense. Most of these people are military and commercial pilots.
Ya think they were smoking ganja while flying the million dollar plane lol?
But I think there's a lot of fake horseshit because it pays.
Look into the drone program, and current fighter planes, and also next gen.
Look no further at UFOs.
They're even flying UFOs, round discs, making USOs. They are making re-entry vehicles for resupplying upper orbit, importantly for bang accross the globe, out of orbit, line up, whoosh, around an hour anywhere. They have vertical thrust take off hitting hypersonic speed, and it can maneuver at almost any angle. Also supposedly underwater hitting huge speeds. They were designing drones that can do both, underwater and flight. They dive, and surface. Next gen fighters have swarm, 100s of mini drones, countermeasures, it has plasma countermeasures, that is complete mirages and decoys, and it has 1 to 3 support drones, on a fighter hitting hypersonic speeds with ridiculous maneuvering. The craft are in a range of designs, but they all look like the triangle UFO, or some are even saucer.
As far as ancient mysticism is concerned. It's a hot topic. But we are stranded. Where is our return? Where is the tech? Nothing but fantasy with a strong inclination towards the supernatural and the divine. Because it provides us with reasoning and purpose. We look up, we need more, we see more.
I heard that bullshit millions of times.
"Someone, who have greatest information in the world announced that he will reveal it in two weeks was killed"
That is not how things done. If you have such information, you spread it everywhere, in every social network, on every torrent tracker, in every p2p network, send it to every paper in every country. And you publish that information in raw form or, in case of invention, as complete, reproduceable description. And you don't inform your enemy about that beforehand.
Enough with that bullshit. Nobody could stop important and truthful information today if one really want to wistleblow it, not play some stupid games telling stupid tales for whatever reason.
Also there is absolutely zero chance that something really leaked without any apropriate details, only as some stupid tale that tells nothing exact. Even lowest tier person inevitably will leak something really technical along with his story if he really have access to something like UFO.
I have some examples of succesful leaks of that type. DeCSS code, PGP encryption, tons of cracked software, drawings and circuits of different devices that allow cheap repair, ways to hack them or circumvent some vendor protection and so on. All that cost billions to those who definitely didn't want this information out. And none of those who did it was killed, at least as far as I know. Mostly they are still anonymous, but that does not make their information less useful or truthful, because you could just take and really use it for your own purpose. People just do the stuff and release it without stupid announcements, funds, MSM interviews and all that insane garbage.
For at least 30 years, any person involved in UFO study could easily wistleblow anything he know without any problems if he decide to do so and be perfectly alive.
To study such complex objects you need insane number of people with knowledge in a lot of different areas. It is impossible that during all last 30 years none of them leaked anything, knowingly or not.
Nuclear weapons secrets didn't survived even few years. In less than 10 years that secrets was in textbooks for students.
And UFO is much more complex thing than atomic bomb, so the number of scientists and engineers involved will be orders of magnitude larger than for nuclear weapon program.
There is zero chance that some technical details did not leaked one way or another since 1947 if government possess alien spaceship and reverse engineer it.
So, there should be something, or governments just do not possess any UFO or possess them but strongly prohibit any study and even more so reverse engineering of it.
I don't really know of anyone who has come out with specific details like that. I don't necessarily think it's because of what the other user said about assassinations but more to do with the highly complex departmentalization of the Government and the military. If said data points were taken then presumably it would be within the black budget department of the agency. Therefore, adding another layer of compartmentalization into the mix.
Furthermore, even in said agency, I don't really think there are many who know the whole scope of the project and if there is, I would imagine that person would not talk for whatever reason. Could be black mail, could be fear of death, or they could be diehard agency loyalists. Never under estimate the power of knowledge and knowing more than other people. It's powerful knowing that you are on the "inside".
Maybe one day it'll all come out but I highly doubt it. Hell, even if it did, would you trust/believe it?
Just my two cents.
I don't think those who manage whole projects will ever talk. So that's not about them. It is about stuff who have to know something. And such project, like studying alien UFO need a lot of stuff. And you can't hide technical things from them. And that technical things should be non-human too.
If you ever talk with somebody who is from complete another sphere, IDK, say, sailor or pilot f.e. you might have noticed that they occasionally tell things that have no real meaning in your converstion. They just spill them and hardly notice that. Tiny bits of technical information that are usual things for teller, but not for listener. It just happens.
But this things are very important if you want to check if your buddy tell truth. Presence of suach things is a good sign. At least your interlocutor highly probably really have some connection to the topic he tell about. But much more important is a combination of that things. If a sailor tell you that the scene of his story is on the ship with cruising speed of 25 knots and later during the story you get that they sail 3 hours to cover 75 sea miles, then at least you could get that he really knows things. If there is something inconsistent, then he is lying.
It is uncontrollable, everybody do that, you, me, that sailor, IT guy from above floor, just nobody notice that. Those who tell don't notice because it is their life, those who listen don't notice because it is irrelevant for them.
So with UFO stuff. If a person who tell story how he work decades on UFO project and does not occasionally spill a single technical breadcrumb, then it is a 100% liar.
But if he do, then it is a very good reason to listen him more carefully.
Say, if a wistleblower spill in different parts of his story that ship weights 3 ton, then that it have an energy storage of 250kWh, and later that one third of a ship is a power source, then there is nothing advanced or alien in it, because 250Wh/kg is a power density of a modern Lithium battery. If he never saw it flying more than few minutes, then we could conclude that with high probability he is selling you some large copter. Or, if the numbers are consistent, but are completely out of anything known to humans, then, that could be something really interesting.
Of course, that small tech details is not a solid proof of anything, but a complete absense of them is a bright flashing indicator that teller is a liar.
I'm really not sure what you're asking or trying to achieve here. Are you asking for legit people/information or are you trying to say those that have come forward are liars because they did not supply said information you are looking for? I'm genuinely confused, so please forgive me.
I'm asking if anybody know about any UFO whistleblower who along with his story about working with UFO occasionally mentioned any real technical details.
I assume that all whistleblowers I know about are liars because none of them spilled anything that person who really worked on UFO or its parts should occasionally mention, because that is how people talk about things they know professionally.
May be, I am just unaware about such person, so I want to read his revelations and may be find something interesting.
I assume that people usually just do not notice that tiny bits of professional knowledge in someone story, until you point it, or ask them about it, so my request for comments in hope that somebody recall something like that and share a link or something.
Okay, so now we are back to point blank and my original comment. I don't think you're going to find what you are specifically looking for. Not sure if we are lost in translation or something.
The most technical and still convincing expose was a podcast on Rogen, when he interviewed Bob Lazar. June 20,/2019, #1315.
But still, even super beleiveable Bob Lazar.... it could just be a story. No matter who says what, its still possible that its a story, planted to trick us.
No amount of creditability can make it true. And if you ever see or experience an encounter for yourself, research flat earth seriously, because it much more plausible these UFOs have traveled 10s of thousands of miles and not billions
Thanks, should check that. I know about Bob Lazar, but didn't find anything interesting for me in his stories earlier. I remember his story about using element 115 AKA naquadah AKA moscovium as a power source.
Ok, the audience for rogan is pretty low tech, so he didnt get too deep into engineering aspects. Sorry. Did you ever research Aether?
It is not about deep or not. It is about small technical deatails. Lazar told a lot, but all that looks like a script for SciFi movie. He told about power source based on 115 element and "gravity amplifiers" but never told about measures power output, trust, how power source connected to "amplifiers", how power source turned on and off, and all that things that he as a researcher just had to know, and repeat so many times that it should be in his tales.
He is like a movie prop decoration designer. "Here will be a naquadah generator, here we put that deflectors, seats for crew should look futuristic...".
Meanwhile 115 element was created in Russia and named Moscovium. All isotopes have short half-life within a second. There was a theory that there should be an stability island around atomic number 112 - superheavy elements with long half-life, potentially like natural Uranium or Thorium, or at least thousands of years. Scientists from all over the world tried hard to be the first to reach that spot and created a lot of new elements and their isotopes in that race.
SciFi used that theory widely describing fuel for SciFi devices as superheavy stable elements, most well-known example is Stargate franchise with their naquadah.
That stability island was eventually found, but stability was in values of only minutes. By itself it is cool scientific phenomena, because lighter or heavier elements outside that island have half-life of seconds, but have no any practical use. Most long-lasting element from island of stability is some isotope of 111 with half-life of few minutes IIRC.
You mean some project named Aether or aether?
Since these 'whistleblowers' are either kooks or spooks, there won't be any forthcoming, as kooks aren't capable and spooks would violate classified disclosure laws.
ie; Bob Lazar - spook Project Bluebook - spooks
If real whistleblowers like Cooper were only providing generalities, then why go to the trouble of killing them?
Some concepts can't be 'spread everywhere'. How to create a nuke could be spread everywhere and you'd be arrested and nobody would know what you're talking about. Understanding of difficult things has a way of hiding itself and the symbol for this is Anubis. it exists in all 'fields of study'.
"It would take organization Government and military work are compartmentalized.
The Cabal Elite are compartmentalized.
Here's the whistle
Fake alien invasion with real 'fake ufos' and no aliens.
What effects are produced by a swirling vortex?
Try it with heated mercury. What is/was pulse drive? What was the story of 'vril' a cover for?
Why ask others to lay it at your doorstep? It exists, it's there and the blueprints of the ideation has existed since the vimana. Decades of material provides keys to the timeline. it's been realized if not by you, then by others. You would obviously be surprised at the number of things that are still secret.
Anybody with details should probably pass it through you though, same as weaponized 5G ....or it doesn't exist, right?
I think the people developing the fairy tale never put that side of it together.
I will be eagerly awaiting any solid input to this thread.
I don't think UFO is fairy tale, it's just Undefined Flying Object, i.e. anything from ball lightning and other natural phenomena to the alien ships.
I even could suppose that governments really have parts of crushed alien ships. But studying is completely prohibited to not allow any breakthrough invention in any area that could potentially undermine TPTB power over people.
Either they have none.
Well, Indeed to soften the term to include known terrestrial would invalidate any interest I have.
I would only be interested if any evidence is produced of actual alien not of this earth stuff is revealed as all these zealots claim exists.
I am confident there is alien life somewhere, I am not convinced any of it has ever travelled to this planet on a machine of their creation.
You don't need to be convinced or not. Rare things need faith or believe in our life. Technical questions definitely don't.
You either know such things, either do not know. That's simple.
For now, we just don't know, have aliens visited Earth in their machines or not. Not enough information.
Valid point.
However, multidimentional objects and spiritual entities that could interfere with our physical 3D world should have measurable physical parameters. They could be incomplete, due to extradimentional/plane/whatever nature, but anything that interfere with our 3D world could be measured.
F.e. if you see it, then it have some color, brightness, reflectivity and so on, and all that could be measured. If you could touch it, it have some measurable hardness, roughness, elasticity and so on. Add to that volume, thrust, weight, EM radiation spectra from RF to gamma, etc.
So if wistleblower really work with such object, then, he had a lot of things to study.
Of course, if it is purely spiritual and appear only in mind of observer, then, of course, there will be problems with measurement.
AFAIK, most wistleblowers tell about UFO as about pretty physical objects. So there should be measurements and values.
Project blue beam.
A report was on the material outside encasing. It was from a Russian find, that was shot down. It was purportedly the encasing, fragments, changed density and colour. Where one minute it was gold and than titanium or metals not known of, and it was charged and that caused it to change properties.
Another favourite was the craft communicated via telekinesis and on touch spoke in binary.
Yea you're right there is only nonsense. All these experts who have seen the area 51, have no idea about its core systems. Because it works on the anti gravity and has none? It's completely AI, and it has no flight controls.
There was a report again Russian, of a firefight and an energy weapon the aliens used, and it froze people, liquifying them. They literally turned into puddles of sludge. While some others became frozen statues. They fired a beam laser weapon. It caused puddles of sludge. One minute you're there, the next a puddle of sludge. If you're really lucky you got frozen before becoming sludge. Hahahaha
Such bullshit.
USA doesn't even guard ground border. If there is any UFO technology in the hands of the government, it isn't to protect white nations from invasion from non-white people.
UFOs aren’t real. The Jew is preparing to initiate operation bluebeam. It’s not aliens.
Apocryphally, yes.
Tesla is reported to have built one and drawings of another one were found in his papers (at his museum). https://www.quora.com/Did-Nikola-Tesla-discover-how-to-invent-a-UFO-or-any-kind-of-flying-craft-If-so-why-did-they-hide-this-from-the-public/answer/William-Beaty
Precious little detail on specific workings though :( He told the newspapers not to be surprised if in the near future they saw him floating about in a flying machine no larger than a bathtub which did not utilize bernoulli's principles.
Of course there is this old chestnut too :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar
There are a great many other anecdotes about the specifics of building flying saucers, but i’ve forgotten them (and did not find them credible). Speculations on the nazi bell, and counter rotating vortices of “red mercury” and the like fall in this category.
Good luck on your search, and let us know if you find anything!