I am on the fence between heliocentrism and flat earth. The one thing I do know is NASA is full of shit, most governments and "scientific" bodies are too. That is how I go about my day. I assume I am being lied to. I do not assume FE is true because I think the other may be false. In the end though; I am more consumed with keeping my family safe than really giving a shit whether or not this is a plane or a planet.
I have done research. In the end; I am not convinced either way. But I still do not see how it would be important to my safety. If "aliens/demons/project bluebeam" were to occur; I would know that what I am being told is a lie, whichever way "media" spins it. I would also know that regardless of which it is, I know how people are going to respond to it. I know that moon may be unreachable; I also know that we may have secret cities on the moon. This doesn't compromise safety in my opinion.
I see the argument for FE. Trust me. The question was about safety. I don't need to know the earth is flat or round to KNOW that every government on earth has it's strings pulled. Whether these are demons, aliens, jews or whatever, it makes little difference to me.
Pole shifts, asteroids or micronova make little difference either. Saying they are true, there is NOTHING that can be done to hide or defend against such things. It could be argued that a billionaire could hide in space or in a super deep complex, but to be a billionaire I would have to be evil so for argument sake; nothing can be done about those. They are interesting however; like star trek or zombies.
While I agree that "Darwin" evolution is bullshit; we clearly do see adaptation. Darwin being wrong; does not mean that evolution isn't correct. Darwin being wrong, does not make creation correct. If it did, you would still have to argue who the creator is. God? Aliens? Simulation? Who made God? Who made the Aliens? Who made the simulation? Again; nothing to do with my safety.
I find a scientist explaining a pulsar as fascinating as a flat earther asking why a x-high lighthouse could be seen x-miles away when the curvature math would put both the observer and light house behind the curve. Without a heavy interest in math, or a space ship; I choose to entertain both ideas but dismiss them when it comes to shaping my view of this world. (flat or round)
I entertain both concepts; I enjoy both concepts. I do not subscribe to them as more than likely BOTH are BULLSHIT. AND... Neither have to do with the safety of my family.
It is not easily proven; that is the issue. If you cannot argue, or to put it better, discuss your point on a discussion board; that is your issue too. See ya around good sir.
They shut down flat earth discussions a few months ago. They claimed it would scare away people looking into conspiracies (as if all of the jew-bashing and racism was totally okay). They definitely don't want people discussing certain topics.
I've had interactions with that shortestskil person on this site and it never is productive. That person never fails to reply with counterproductive inhumane shill answers
Some ideas are too dangerous to let out of the box. Flat earth researchers have found so many holes and fakes in the space/exploration narrative that it became a threat. Ridiculing wasn't enough. They needed to start banning it from everywhere before people start asking the real questions about the nature of our reality.
EdgeOfTheWorld How do I know that the world is NOT flat? Your telling me that with all of the planes, boats, 4x4s, Drones, Telescopes, Camera Phones, ect. Not ONE person has found the edge and taken a picture??
A properly designed grass football field does not lie perfectly flat. The surface of the field often arcs a foot or more from the sidelines to the midfield to allow excess water to drain off. Without a crown, as the raised area is called, a grass football field can become a soupy, dangerous mess.
i made many post about virology and a couple FE here and there but tbh its like yelling into an empty room. theres too much programming for them too get over
It's basically impossible to prove anything is true, outside of pure math. All you can do is find a model that fits more observable facts than any other, which is heliocentric globe earth.
On the other hand, it's quite possible to disprove something, which is why FE is so dumb.
If the earth was flat, the observable movement of the sun would be impossible.
Either the sun crosses the "disc" at sunrise and sunset, in which case it would rise and set in places it has never, anywhere been observed to do, or it just sort of goes in circles above us.
This is an extremely stupid hypothesis, even if we accept the idea that a body can move in a circle for thousands of years, at least, with no discernable mechanism.
First, if that were the case, we could see it at any time of the day or night. Spare me the "spotlight" BS; you would still see a massive glow on the horizon like you get from cites (which we don't) and we would also see small amounts of light refracting of particles in the atmosphere (which we also don't). You would also see a "crescent" sun as it moved away from you where the spotlight material blocked the light.
Second, according to the dimensions suggested by this theory, the sun could never physically go below around 13° from the earth's surface under optimal conditions, according to grade-9-level trig. If you were on the equator, it can't go below 30°. (The minimum angle is much higher if we go with the "spotlight" cope but, as we've already seen, that's stupid.) I'll also note that this lowest angle would be in the middle of the night, when you supposedly can't even see it, so the real minimum angle at sunrise/set is somewhat higher.
So if you ever observe the sun getting within 10° of the horizon, that concrete evidence that FE is not real.
Until you tweak the "theory" again...
I find FE tends to come from two places.
One is complete opposition to orthodoxy. Not to say questioning orthodoxy, but rather assuming everything considered orthodox is false, and that they have been granted special knowledge that ordinary people don't have access to (unless they can go on youtube, which is full of videos "exposing" the truth that never seem to get taken down or blocked in any way). This is basically the same as the people who believe everthing they are told by the powers that be, but in reverse. This is why you can't convince either of them of anything; there is no thought involved.
The second is a complete lack of knowledge or the science and math fundamental to astronomy. I'm not talking about quantum mechanics or black hole physics, either. I'm talking high school trigonometry amd geometry. Take a tennis ball and a soccer ball and hold one in front of the other. Does one look less curved? It isn't, it's just a different size. Now imagine a ball about a billion times bigger; is it possible that it would look less curved to the point that the human eye couldn't detect a curve at all? Hmmm...
Flatheads will literally watch tens of hours of schitzo youtube video talking about flight plans but won't take 30 minutes to learn how light refraction works.
So yeah, no one is censoring you (and I actually argued against it, btw), we've just considered your points and found them empty. But you just keep trying to bump the discussion, which is annoying, especially when you bring absolutely nothing new. At least when you tweak the theory to account for the latest debunking there's some kind of challenge in working though why you're wrong this time, but usually it's hard to even get you to explain what you think is true without "EdUcAtE yOuRsElF, hErE's A lInK", which basically just proves that you can't explain it.
I'll put these essays up occassionally, in the hopes that you might be arguing in good faith but the usual response is dismissal of my points without refutation and accusations of being a shill, at which point I just fall back to mockery which, luckily, is quite easy.
I also want to briefly address the "so what?" factor.
Imagine if FE were true. That would mean that someone is actually able to manipulate reality across the planet to make the sun appear to act as though it were hundreds of times bigger and as though we were orbitting it. They would also be manipulating the stars, which also behave as though the earth is a globe. Not to mention stuff like AM/FM transmission which, on FE, should be able to reach anywhere on earth but somehow doesn't. Or satelite phones. Or GPS.
On top of that, they are able to manipulate every astronomer, pilot, and sailor in history to pretend the earth is centered around the north pole, with dimensions radically different than they should be and completely erase any credible source espousing contrary information.
Contrast this to a known global conspiracy like Covid. They were completely unable to supress information for even a few months.
So, if FE is real and globe earth is a deception: what does it matter? The powers that be would have to be so omnipotent to manipulate reality in this way that there isn't any conceivable difference anyone or everyone could make. What's the point of waking people up to this "fact" if there is literally nothing they could conceivably do about it?
Again, contrast with Covid. It was important to spread the truth because people were volunteering to lockdown and take experimental gene therapies because they were being deceived. Everyone who knew the truth could protect themselves and, when enough of us learned the truth, we got them to lift the lion's share of the restrictions. At the end of the day, we are on the same playing field and our actions have consequences.
Is the point of FE simply demoralization? To get people to give up and live as though their lives are the playthings of hidden, malevolent, beings with powers beyond our comprehension? If not, then what are you actually trying to acheive?
I am on the fence between heliocentrism and flat earth. The one thing I do know is NASA is full of shit, most governments and "scientific" bodies are too. That is how I go about my day. I assume I am being lied to. I do not assume FE is true because I think the other may be false. In the end though; I am more consumed with keeping my family safe than really giving a shit whether or not this is a plane or a planet.
I have done research. In the end; I am not convinced either way. But I still do not see how it would be important to my safety. If "aliens/demons/project bluebeam" were to occur; I would know that what I am being told is a lie, whichever way "media" spins it. I would also know that regardless of which it is, I know how people are going to respond to it. I know that moon may be unreachable; I also know that we may have secret cities on the moon. This doesn't compromise safety in my opinion.
I see the argument for FE. Trust me. The question was about safety. I don't need to know the earth is flat or round to KNOW that every government on earth has it's strings pulled. Whether these are demons, aliens, jews or whatever, it makes little difference to me.
Pole shifts, asteroids or micronova make little difference either. Saying they are true, there is NOTHING that can be done to hide or defend against such things. It could be argued that a billionaire could hide in space or in a super deep complex, but to be a billionaire I would have to be evil so for argument sake; nothing can be done about those. They are interesting however; like star trek or zombies.
While I agree that "Darwin" evolution is bullshit; we clearly do see adaptation. Darwin being wrong; does not mean that evolution isn't correct. Darwin being wrong, does not make creation correct. If it did, you would still have to argue who the creator is. God? Aliens? Simulation? Who made God? Who made the Aliens? Who made the simulation? Again; nothing to do with my safety.
I find a scientist explaining a pulsar as fascinating as a flat earther asking why a x-high lighthouse could be seen x-miles away when the curvature math would put both the observer and light house behind the curve. Without a heavy interest in math, or a space ship; I choose to entertain both ideas but dismiss them when it comes to shaping my view of this world. (flat or round)
I entertain both concepts; I enjoy both concepts. I do not subscribe to them as more than likely BOTH are BULLSHIT. AND... Neither have to do with the safety of my family.
It is not easily proven; that is the issue. If you cannot argue, or to put it better, discuss your point on a discussion board; that is your issue too. See ya around good sir.
They shut down flat earth discussions a few months ago. They claimed it would scare away people looking into conspiracies (as if all of the jew-bashing and racism was totally okay). They definitely don't want people discussing certain topics.
I've had interactions with that shortestskil person on this site and it never is productive. That person never fails to reply with counterproductive inhumane shill answers
We don't hate Jews. They hate us. What to do with predators that hate you? The same thing I do if I find a rat in my cupboard.
Things were much calmer before you came around.
If it was shut down how are you having this discussion?
Ahhh yes I knew this was coming.
Have a few users come in here screaming about jews and the holocaust. And suddenly we are all anti semite flat earth holocaust deniers haha.
Some ideas are too dangerous to let out of the box. Flat earth researchers have found so many holes and fakes in the space/exploration narrative that it became a threat. Ridiculing wasn't enough. They needed to start banning it from everywhere before people start asking the real questions about the nature of our reality.
It could also be simpler. It could be they just don't want to loose their "space" funding.
Yes.
"Proceeds to youtube a million flat earth results".
Dangerous information indeed.
Flathead: Prove the earth is round without usong pictures.
User: I can see the sun set below the horizon.
Flathead: THAT'S NOT PROOF! YOUR EYES ARE ACTUALLY LYING! LOOK FOR THE GREEN FLASH AT SUNSET!
EdgeOfTheWorld How do I know that the world is NOT flat? Your telling me that with all of the planes, boats, 4x4s, Drones, Telescopes, Camera Phones, ect. Not ONE person has found the edge and taken a picture??
1st of all, how many of those things do you think is looking for the edge? Is it certainly none?
Secondly, who says there is an edge to find - or even if there is, that it can be reached? Many people believe the universe does not have an edge...
https://www.sportsrec.com/417272-what-is-the-crown-of-a-football-field.html
Feet / legs won't disappear. Try it. Basketball courts are flat.
yawn
Everything they publish is a lie, why would I care?
Pushing flat earth is just another one. If earth is round or flat, please tell me right now why I would give a fuck either way.
LMAO! Dude that made this post deleted his account when no one would belive his FE BS XD
i made many post about virology and a couple FE here and there but tbh its like yelling into an empty room. theres too much programming for them too get over
we need a REAL truth board. no political theater, no trust the plan shit, no gain of function, just cold hard facts.
It's basically impossible to prove anything is true, outside of pure math. All you can do is find a model that fits more observable facts than any other, which is heliocentric globe earth.
On the other hand, it's quite possible to disprove something, which is why FE is so dumb.
If the earth was flat, the observable movement of the sun would be impossible.
Either the sun crosses the "disc" at sunrise and sunset, in which case it would rise and set in places it has never, anywhere been observed to do, or it just sort of goes in circles above us.
This is an extremely stupid hypothesis, even if we accept the idea that a body can move in a circle for thousands of years, at least, with no discernable mechanism.
First, if that were the case, we could see it at any time of the day or night. Spare me the "spotlight" BS; you would still see a massive glow on the horizon like you get from cites (which we don't) and we would also see small amounts of light refracting of particles in the atmosphere (which we also don't). You would also see a "crescent" sun as it moved away from you where the spotlight material blocked the light.
Second, according to the dimensions suggested by this theory, the sun could never physically go below around 13° from the earth's surface under optimal conditions, according to grade-9-level trig. If you were on the equator, it can't go below 30°. (The minimum angle is much higher if we go with the "spotlight" cope but, as we've already seen, that's stupid.) I'll also note that this lowest angle would be in the middle of the night, when you supposedly can't even see it, so the real minimum angle at sunrise/set is somewhat higher.
So if you ever observe the sun getting within 10° of the horizon, that concrete evidence that FE is not real.
Until you tweak the "theory" again...
I find FE tends to come from two places.
One is complete opposition to orthodoxy. Not to say questioning orthodoxy, but rather assuming everything considered orthodox is false, and that they have been granted special knowledge that ordinary people don't have access to (unless they can go on youtube, which is full of videos "exposing" the truth that never seem to get taken down or blocked in any way). This is basically the same as the people who believe everthing they are told by the powers that be, but in reverse. This is why you can't convince either of them of anything; there is no thought involved.
The second is a complete lack of knowledge or the science and math fundamental to astronomy. I'm not talking about quantum mechanics or black hole physics, either. I'm talking high school trigonometry amd geometry. Take a tennis ball and a soccer ball and hold one in front of the other. Does one look less curved? It isn't, it's just a different size. Now imagine a ball about a billion times bigger; is it possible that it would look less curved to the point that the human eye couldn't detect a curve at all? Hmmm...
Flatheads will literally watch tens of hours of schitzo youtube video talking about flight plans but won't take 30 minutes to learn how light refraction works.
So yeah, no one is censoring you (and I actually argued against it, btw), we've just considered your points and found them empty. But you just keep trying to bump the discussion, which is annoying, especially when you bring absolutely nothing new. At least when you tweak the theory to account for the latest debunking there's some kind of challenge in working though why you're wrong this time, but usually it's hard to even get you to explain what you think is true without "EdUcAtE yOuRsElF, hErE's A lInK", which basically just proves that you can't explain it.
I'll put these essays up occassionally, in the hopes that you might be arguing in good faith but the usual response is dismissal of my points without refutation and accusations of being a shill, at which point I just fall back to mockery which, luckily, is quite easy.
I also want to briefly address the "so what?" factor.
Imagine if FE were true. That would mean that someone is actually able to manipulate reality across the planet to make the sun appear to act as though it were hundreds of times bigger and as though we were orbitting it. They would also be manipulating the stars, which also behave as though the earth is a globe. Not to mention stuff like AM/FM transmission which, on FE, should be able to reach anywhere on earth but somehow doesn't. Or satelite phones. Or GPS.
On top of that, they are able to manipulate every astronomer, pilot, and sailor in history to pretend the earth is centered around the north pole, with dimensions radically different than they should be and completely erase any credible source espousing contrary information.
Contrast this to a known global conspiracy like Covid. They were completely unable to supress information for even a few months.
So, if FE is real and globe earth is a deception: what does it matter? The powers that be would have to be so omnipotent to manipulate reality in this way that there isn't any conceivable difference anyone or everyone could make. What's the point of waking people up to this "fact" if there is literally nothing they could conceivably do about it?
Again, contrast with Covid. It was important to spread the truth because people were volunteering to lockdown and take experimental gene therapies because they were being deceived. Everyone who knew the truth could protect themselves and, when enough of us learned the truth, we got them to lift the lion's share of the restrictions. At the end of the day, we are on the same playing field and our actions have consequences.
Is the point of FE simply demoralization? To get people to give up and live as though their lives are the playthings of hidden, malevolent, beings with powers beyond our comprehension? If not, then what are you actually trying to acheive?
I cannot believe you people are this dumb
Fuck off forever, flatty.