It's basically impossible to prove anything is true, outside of pure math. All you can do is find a model that fits more observable facts than any other, which is heliocentric globe earth.
On the other hand, it's quite possible to disprove something, which is why FE is so dumb.
If the earth was flat, the observable movement of the sun would be impossible.
Either the sun crosses the "disc" at sunrise and sunset, in which case it would rise and set in places it has never, anywhere been observed to do, or it just sort of goes in circles above us.
This is an extremely stupid hypothesis, even if we accept the idea that a body can move in a circle for thousands of years, at least, with no discernable mechanism.
First, if that were the case, we could see it at any time of the day or night. Spare me the "spotlight" BS; you would still see a massive glow on the horizon like you get from cites (which we don't) and we would also see small amounts of light refracting of particles in the atmosphere (which we also don't). You would also see a "crescent" sun as it moved away from you where the spotlight material blocked the light.
Second, according to the dimensions suggested by this theory, the sun could never physically go below around 13° from the earth's surface under optimal conditions, according to grade-9-level trig. If you were on the equator, it can't go below 30°. (The minimum angle is much higher if we go with the "spotlight" cope but, as we've already seen, that's stupid.) I'll also note that this lowest angle would be in the middle of the night, when you supposedly can't even see it, so the real minimum angle at sunrise/set is somewhat higher.
So if you ever observe the sun getting within 10° of the horizon, that concrete evidence that FE is not real.
Until you tweak the "theory" again...
I find FE tends to come from two places.
One is complete opposition to orthodoxy. Not to say questioning orthodoxy, but rather assuming everything considered orthodox is false, and that they have been granted special knowledge that ordinary people don't have access to (unless they can go on youtube, which is full of videos "exposing" the truth that never seem to get taken down or blocked in any way). This is basically the same as the people who believe everthing they are told by the powers that be, but in reverse. This is why you can't convince either of them of anything; there is no thought involved.
The second is a complete lack of knowledge or the science and math fundamental to astronomy. I'm not talking about quantum mechanics or black hole physics, either. I'm talking high school trigonometry amd geometry. Take a tennis ball and a soccer ball and hold one in front of the other. Does one look less curved? It isn't, it's just a different size. Now imagine a ball about a billion times bigger; is it possible that it would look less curved to the point that the human eye couldn't detect a curve at all? Hmmm...
Flatheads will literally watch tens of hours of schitzo youtube video talking about flight plans but won't take 30 minutes to learn how light refraction works.
So yeah, no one is censoring you (and I actually argued against it, btw), we've just considered your points and found them empty. But you just keep trying to bump the discussion, which is annoying, especially when you bring absolutely nothing new. At least when you tweak the theory to account for the latest debunking there's some kind of challenge in working though why you're wrong this time, but usually it's hard to even get you to explain what you think is true without "EdUcAtE yOuRsElF, hErE's A lInK", which basically just proves that you can't explain it.
I'll put these essays up occassionally, in the hopes that you might be arguing in good faith but the usual response is dismissal of my points without refutation and accusations of being a shill, at which point I just fall back to mockery which, luckily, is quite easy.
I also want to briefly address the "so what?" factor.
Imagine if FE were true. That would mean that someone is actually able to manipulate reality across the planet to make the sun appear to act as though it were hundreds of times bigger and as though we were orbitting it. They would also be manipulating the stars, which also behave as though the earth is a globe. Not to mention stuff like AM/FM transmission which, on FE, should be able to reach anywhere on earth but somehow doesn't. Or satelite phones. Or GPS.
On top of that, they are able to manipulate every astronomer, pilot, and sailor in history to pretend the earth is centered around the north pole, with dimensions radically different than they should be and completely erase any credible source espousing contrary information.
Contrast this to a known global conspiracy like Covid. They were completely unable to supress information for even a few months.
So, if FE is real and globe earth is a deception: what does it matter? The powers that be would have to be so omnipotent to manipulate reality in this way that there isn't any conceivable difference anyone or everyone could make. What's the point of waking people up to this "fact" if there is literally nothing they could conceivably do about it?
Again, contrast with Covid. It was important to spread the truth because people were volunteering to lockdown and take experimental gene therapies because they were being deceived. Everyone who knew the truth could protect themselves and, when enough of us learned the truth, we got them to lift the lion's share of the restrictions. At the end of the day, we are on the same playing field and our actions have consequences.
Is the point of FE simply demoralization? To get people to give up and live as though their lives are the playthings of hidden, malevolent, beings with powers beyond our comprehension? If not, then what are you actually trying to acheive?
It's basically impossible to prove anything is true, outside of pure math. All you can do is find a model that fits more observable facts than any other, which is heliocentric globe earth.
On the other hand, it's quite possible to disprove something, which is why FE is so dumb.
If the earth was flat, the observable movement of the sun would be impossible.
Either the sun crosses the "disc" at sunrise and sunset, in which case it would rise and set in places it has never, anywhere been observed to do, or it just sort of goes in circles above us.
This is an extremely stupid hypothesis, even if we accept the idea that a body can move in a circle for thousands of years, at least, with no discernable mechanism.
First, if that were the case, we could see it at any time of the day or night. Spare me the "spotlight" BS; you would still see a massive glow on the horizon like you get from cites (which we don't) and we would also see small amounts of light refracting of particles in the atmosphere (which we also don't). You would also see a "crescent" sun as it moved away from you where the spotlight material blocked the light.
Second, according to the dimensions suggested by this theory, the sun could never physically go below around 13° from the earth's surface under optimal conditions, according to grade-9-level trig. If you were on the equator, it can't go below 30°. (The minimum angle is much higher if we go with the "spotlight" cope but, as we've already seen, that's stupid.) I'll also note that this lowest angle would be in the middle of the night, when you supposedly can't even see it, so the real minimum angle at sunrise/set is somewhat higher.
So if you ever observe the sun getting within 10° of the horizon, that concrete evidence that FE is not real.
Until you tweak the "theory" again...
I find FE tends to come from two places.
One is complete opposition to orthodoxy. Not to say questioning orthodoxy, but rather assuming everything considered orthodox is false, and that they have been granted special knowledge that ordinary people don't have access to (unless they can go on youtube, which is full of videos "exposing" the truth that never seem to get taken down or blocked in any way). This is basically the same as the people who believe everthing they are told by the powers that be, but in reverse. This is why you can't convince either of them of anything; there is no thought involved.
The second is a complete lack of knowledge or the science and math fundamental to astronomy. I'm not talking about quantum mechanics or black hole physics, either. I'm talking high school trigonometry amd geometry. Take a tennis ball and a soccer ball and hold one in front of the other. Does one look less curved? It isn't, it's just a different size. Now imagine a ball about a billion times bigger; is it possible that it would look less curved to the point that the human eye couldn't detect a curve at all? Hmmm...
Flatheads will literally watch tens of hours of schitzo youtube video talking about flight plans but won't take 30 minutes to learn how light refraction works.
So yeah, no one is censoring you (and I actually argued against it, btw), we've just considered your points and found them empty. But you just keep trying to bump the discussion, which is annoying, especially when you bring absolutely nothing new. At least when you tweak the theory to account for the latest debunking there's some kind of challenge in working though why you're wrong this time, but usually it's hard to even get you to explain what you think is true without "EdUcAtE yOuRsElF, hErE's A lInK", which basically just proves that you can't explain it.
I'll put these essays up occassionally, in the hopes that you might be arguing in good faith but the usual response is dismissal of my points without refutation and accusations of being a shill, at which point I just fall back to mockery which, luckily, is quite easy.
I also want to briefly address the "so what?" factor.
Imagine if FE were true. That would mean that someone is actually able to manipulate reality across the planet to make the sun appear to act as though it were hundreds of times bigger and as though we were orbitting it. They would also be manipulating the stars, which also behave as though the earth is a globe. Not to mention stuff like AM/FM transmission which, on FE, should be able to reach anywhere on earth but somehow doesn't. Or satelite phones. Or GPS.
On top of that, they are able to manipulate every astronomer, pilot, and sailor in history to pretend the earth is centered around the north pole, with dimensions radically different than they should be and completely erase any credible source espousing contrary information.
Contrast this to a known global conspiracy like Covid. They were completely unable to supress information for even a few months.
So, if FE is real and globe earth is a deception: what does it matter? The powers that be would have to be so omnipotent to manipulate reality in this way that there isn't any conceivable difference anyone or everyone could make. What's the point of waking people up to this "fact" if there is literally nothing they could conceivably do about it?
Again, contrast with Covid. It was important to spread the truth because people were volunteering to lockdown and take experimental gene therapies because they were being deceived. Everyone who knew the truth could protect themselves and, when enough of us learned the truth, we got them to lift the lion's share of the restrictions. At the end of the day, we are on the same playing field and our actions have consequences.
Is the point of FE simply demoralization? To get people to give up and live as though their lives are the playthings of hidden, malevolent, beings with powers beyond our comprehension? If not, then what are you actually trying to acheive?