The Sumerians and ancient Chinese (zodiacal systems) used base-12. The Babylonian descendants of the Sumerians used and modified their progenitor’s base-12 to base-60, likely to further their astrological pursuits. Ounce and inch likewise come from vestigial Roman use of base-12, likely as holdovers from the influence of these earlier cultures and their systems.
You can probably find some more interesting info on the subject easily here:
12 months, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles, 12 greek gods, 12 sons of Odin, 12 finger bones in hand, 12 hours of daylight, 12 in a dozen, 12 jurors, 12 monkeys, 12 complementary colors
It was mentioned in this thread that the sexagesimal system was derived from the duodecimal system. I think the order of that is reversed, and this is not a minor point.
That is, the Sumerians used the sexagesimal system in the 3rd Millennium BC, and by my read on the duodecimal system, practical use of that as a numbering system is almost unknown.
This may seem like a pretty pedantic point, but I believe it contains the seed that leads to crucial knowledge.
You see, no one in their right mind with 10 fingers would invent a base-12 numbering system. Let alone a base-60 numbering system. Let alone a base-60 system with no antecedents that just springs up out of nowhere. And then we have the question of why they would dream up gods with extra fingers and give no reason whatsoever.
As alien (<-- haha) as the concept may seen, it seems to me much more straightforward to believe that the "gods" of the Sumerians had--or at least appeared to have--12 fingers, and that they handed the Sumerians their own sexagesimal numbering system, advanced even beyond a base-12 system they might have begun with.
A small point, but really paints a different picture I'd say.
You are spot on, my OP was a bit rushed, just trying to get my inner thoughts expressed in an initial form. You raise interesting nuance and basically express what I was going for, but more accurately to according to “the record”, so thanks.
The post would benefit tremendously from putting these concepts into context, or atleast what we think we know of their context. Namely that these systems seem to have been designed chiefly with regards to astrological measurements and record-keeping. Hence the base-60 system of the deep ancients (where the consideration of the spherical heavens was the primary goal, seemingly, which is facilitated greatly by the base-60 system and its convenience with subdividing spheres/circles) slowly devolving to the base 12 influences seen in the near ancients, which clearly still had great reverence for the heavens but seem to have drifted away from “science” to “religion” for lack of better terms. Almost like a great gift had been passed down to them, but in their youth and naïveté they had forgotten its true value and mechanisms.
Like you say, the only logical system is base-10. The fact that our oldest counting systems used these absurd (in most respects) counting bases indicates clearly, to me atleast, that there was an outside influence at work here.
I completely agree with your sentiment that all the "twelves" we see around us are echoes of long forgotten times. One of the earliest occurrences of such of which I am aware is that the Sumerians gave their deities specific numerical rank (12 ranks for 12 deities):
(Of course, one should use exquisite care in the wording. Perhaps these entities used a numerical ranking system among their "royalty", and the Sumerians simply recorded what they were told about it.)
For some reason, I expected to get blasted with both barrels, so I was delighted to see what you wrote. Thanks for the OP!
There needs to be an explanation for their genotype appearing across the globe in the “indigenous peoples” of the world
Technology explains.Technology.
ET or genetically modified humans. Biggest cities like now concentrated in coastal and valley areas. Some day was landing,or they were humans and fleed everywhere.
(or mix of that)
Very possible "racial" or other conflict of human subspecies/aliens before 10k BCE. Or "extinction event"
But why everywhere ?
A).Becoming rulling class requires having enough subjects if you lost/are loosing access to technology
B).Spreading knowledge everywhere guarantees it would be handed over.
C). Accident which resulted from lack of coordination and communication (doubtful)
I’m inclined to believe they meant what they said, when they all called this group/race “giants” - but admittedly the notion that their large stature was simply “in the eye of the beholder” or somehow otherwise a metaphorical statement can’t be ruled out.
My best understanding is that, in the past, society/civilization has risen and fallen. The most coherent explanation for what appears to be a “common cultural ancestor” is exactly that - a group who was forced to spread out in diaspora (ecological disaster/warfare induced migration). Then, because of this disaster and diaspora, these different locations were unable to contact eachother, and thus what started as a common cultural influence gradually changed as different local factors impacted the development of these new civilizations [made up of small numbers of diaspora members and relatively far larger numbers of “primitive” (aka “suited to life after a disaster) locals.]
Doesn’t explain the worship of, and widespread reference to: 6-fingered, red haired, blue-eyed giants ruling kingdoms across the continents as “god-kings” and teaching their people things like numeracy, warfare, alchemy/chemistry, and “magic” - as attested to in the foundational “myths” of most all ancient cultures.
Agreed. Check out Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock. Pretty good research on cultures that probably existed before the great flood or disaster or whatever you want to call it. Prehistoric advanced civilizations.
There’s pretty good physical evidence and a surprising amount of “reputable” written accounts of giant humans, both in antiquity and even up to modern times, in more remote locations.
Some good stuff on their, just checked out their video on the pyramids as a Tesla type power system, with some very interesting insights I hadn’t seen before
They could have been Asian. There needs to be an explanation for their genotype appearing across the globe in the “indigenous peoples” of the world (who all share a common genetic ancestor of today’s “asian” phenotype)
Yeah it definitely is a rendition of Buddha - I draw similar links to the Chinese zodiacal system as to the Sumerian/Babylonian base-12/base-60 systems.
I’m pretty much convinced of the notion of a “common cultural ancestor” interacting with all of these “totally unrelated” groups. Which explains all the knowledge and building techniques which these groups “shouldn’t have” had. I think astrology is a lot more important than we give it credit for these days, though that’s more a gut feeling than anything.
Many of the greatest masters (especially in the Eastern traditions) spent time in seclusion on mountaintops.
I think the notion of chi is closer to reality than not, and the various schools have a long tradition of associating mountains with concentration of energy to benefit training/healing/etc
And yeah. I’m not sure how much of “the record” to trust, but even going by mainstream numbers, we’ve been “anatomically modern” for 300,000 years, and they also unironically believe that the first time society could have begun was ~6-8,000 BC.... so we were what, identical to modern man, but we spent ~290,000 years jerking off in caves? It’s fucking retarded, but what’s worse is that suggestions otherwise seem “crazy” to most
You have six fingers on your right hand. Someone was looking for you.
Just letting you know I've seen a lot of good posts from you this twelvemonth for the consumption of the scattered twelve tribes. Sorry I haven't had a chance to pick up on them more and copy out some of my twelvemo notes. It's after twelve o'clock here so I don't have time to list all the fascinating twelves that this relates to.
Sounds goodmann, I’ve missed sinking my teeth into your intellectual feasts of perspectives I so rarely see treated with the aplomb they deserve. I’d be quite interested in your response to my question on the purpose/benefits of the flesh as you see them, raised in your daily verse from a week or so back. See how our positions have evolved over the last Cycle
a) COUNT, verb - "to number; to tell or name one by one"...the foundation for counting implies ones choice to count other ones.
b) to be implies a unit (partial) within a system (whole).
c) each partial within a whole represents one; while the whole represents oneness.
d) the base of each one (living) implies oneness (process of dying).
e) one (perceiving) within oneness (perceivable) can be tempted to ignore oneself for suggested dualism aka TWO, adjective [Latin duo] - "one and one".
f) nature sets itself apart aka from whole (perceivable) into each partial (perceiving), partials can suggest each other the inversion of apartheid...togetherness aka e pluribus unum (out of many; one); tikkun olam (healing the world by bringing together), equality (same) through diversity (different); united nations; united states; european union; uniformity, migration (one into another one) etc.
The Sumerians and ancient Chinese (zodiacal systems) used base-12. The Babylonian descendants of the Sumerians used and modified their progenitor’s base-12 to base-60, likely to further their astrological pursuits. Ounce and inch likewise come from vestigial Roman use of base-12, likely as holdovers from the influence of these earlier cultures and their systems.
You can probably find some more interesting info on the subject easily here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal#Origin
Polydactyly, red hair, and increased stature appear to be linked markers which are indicative of, for lack of a better term, Nephilim descent.
The Mark of the Giants | Six Fingers and Toes in the Ancient World |
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9vP4-tfFcWc
12 months, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles, 12 greek gods, 12 sons of Odin, 12 finger bones in hand, 12 hours of daylight, 12 in a dozen, 12 jurors, 12 monkeys, 12 complementary colors
12 dimensions
Maybe 666 started out to reference the hand with six fingers.
Ounce and inch likewise derive from base-12 numeracy, in terms of examples of this system persisting.
It really seems to have touched every continent in the time before recorded history.
Dirty dozen
12 neurons ?
Recall the official obama portrait depicts him with 12 fingers
It was mentioned in this thread that the sexagesimal system was derived from the duodecimal system. I think the order of that is reversed, and this is not a minor point.
That is, the Sumerians used the sexagesimal system in the 3rd Millennium BC, and by my read on the duodecimal system, practical use of that as a numbering system is almost unknown.
This may seem like a pretty pedantic point, but I believe it contains the seed that leads to crucial knowledge.
You see, no one in their right mind with 10 fingers would invent a base-12 numbering system. Let alone a base-60 numbering system. Let alone a base-60 system with no antecedents that just springs up out of nowhere. And then we have the question of why they would dream up gods with extra fingers and give no reason whatsoever.
As alien (<-- haha) as the concept may seen, it seems to me much more straightforward to believe that the "gods" of the Sumerians had--or at least appeared to have--12 fingers, and that they handed the Sumerians their own sexagesimal numbering system, advanced even beyond a base-12 system they might have begun with.
A small point, but really paints a different picture I'd say.
You are spot on, my OP was a bit rushed, just trying to get my inner thoughts expressed in an initial form. You raise interesting nuance and basically express what I was going for, but more accurately to according to “the record”, so thanks.
The post would benefit tremendously from putting these concepts into context, or atleast what we think we know of their context. Namely that these systems seem to have been designed chiefly with regards to astrological measurements and record-keeping. Hence the base-60 system of the deep ancients (where the consideration of the spherical heavens was the primary goal, seemingly, which is facilitated greatly by the base-60 system and its convenience with subdividing spheres/circles) slowly devolving to the base 12 influences seen in the near ancients, which clearly still had great reverence for the heavens but seem to have drifted away from “science” to “religion” for lack of better terms. Almost like a great gift had been passed down to them, but in their youth and naïveté they had forgotten its true value and mechanisms.
Like you say, the only logical system is base-10. The fact that our oldest counting systems used these absurd (in most respects) counting bases indicates clearly, to me atleast, that there was an outside influence at work here.
Cheers man thanks again for the comment!
I completely agree with your sentiment that all the "twelves" we see around us are echoes of long forgotten times. One of the earliest occurrences of such of which I am aware is that the Sumerians gave their deities specific numerical rank (12 ranks for 12 deities):
How did the ranking system for the Sumerian pantheon work?
(Of course, one should use exquisite care in the wording. Perhaps these entities used a numerical ranking system among their "royalty", and the Sumerians simply recorded what they were told about it.)
For some reason, I expected to get blasted with both barrels, so I was delighted to see what you wrote. Thanks for the OP!
@Graphenium : mostly inactive recessive gene for humans.
Probably too much "white etnonationalism here" and it is bad as it would be treated as a bullshit.
Thing is however you are mostly correct. Irish have mostly red hair, both Irish and Basques have highest percent of 0 negatives.
Guess what - it was predictable: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/1256894.stm
Oldest and most insulated populations however it is REALLY why they keep it.
Those thing about "giants" look rather like nonsense done by some protestant reading bible too much times.
I think most important archeological things are both under Northern See and Black See. "Flood" ? Well,not only "flood": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis - natural
less natural:
https://www.science.org/content/article/can-nuclear-fallout-make-it-rain
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_memoranda/RM4989.html
Technology explains.Technology.
ET or genetically modified humans. Biggest cities like now concentrated in coastal and valley areas. Some day was landing,or they were humans and fleed everywhere. (or mix of that)
Very possible "racial" or other conflict of human subspecies/aliens before 10k BCE. Or "extinction event"
But why everywhere ?
A).Becoming rulling class requires having enough subjects if you lost/are loosing access to technology B).Spreading knowledge everywhere guarantees it would be handed over. C). Accident which resulted from lack of coordination and communication (doubtful)
I’m inclined to believe they meant what they said, when they all called this group/race “giants” - but admittedly the notion that their large stature was simply “in the eye of the beholder” or somehow otherwise a metaphorical statement can’t be ruled out.
My best understanding is that, in the past, society/civilization has risen and fallen. The most coherent explanation for what appears to be a “common cultural ancestor” is exactly that - a group who was forced to spread out in diaspora (ecological disaster/warfare induced migration). Then, because of this disaster and diaspora, these different locations were unable to contact eachother, and thus what started as a common cultural influence gradually changed as different local factors impacted the development of these new civilizations [made up of small numbers of diaspora members and relatively far larger numbers of “primitive” (aka “suited to life after a disaster) locals.]
12 bones in the four fingers counted by touching them with the thumb.
Doesn’t explain the worship of, and widespread reference to: 6-fingered, red haired, blue-eyed giants ruling kingdoms across the continents as “god-kings” and teaching their people things like numeracy, warfare, alchemy/chemistry, and “magic” - as attested to in the foundational “myths” of most all ancient cultures.
Agreed. Check out Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock. Pretty good research on cultures that probably existed before the great flood or disaster or whatever you want to call it. Prehistoric advanced civilizations.
I don't know why he does that. We have fossils of giant everything...sloths, fungi, birds, insects, etc.
Also, Randall is by FAR my favorite source on ancient anything. He brings the data.
When you get a chance, check the two videos out which I link in the first comment of this old post:
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/12jJdwnfwD/the-smithsonian-has-covered-up-t/c
There’s pretty good physical evidence and a surprising amount of “reputable” written accounts of giant humans, both in antiquity and even up to modern times, in more remote locations.
https://youtube.com/@UniverseInsideYou
You will love this channel.
Some good stuff on their, just checked out their video on the pyramids as a Tesla type power system, with some very interesting insights I hadn’t seen before
Thanks. I have seen those. So many cultures have stories about giants and floods.
Also, Randall is by FAR my fav ancient history-geology source. Graham is fine, but Randall brings the data.
Check out “universe inside you channel on YouTube and prepare to be amazed.
https://youtube.com/@UniverseInsideYou
Thanks!
Aesir
They could have been Asian. There needs to be an explanation for their genotype appearing across the globe in the “indigenous peoples” of the world (who all share a common genetic ancestor of today’s “asian” phenotype)
>more than one globe spanning civilization existing during the catastrophic transition between the previous and the current Era
That’s your epitaph
Yeah it definitely is a rendition of Buddha - I draw similar links to the Chinese zodiacal system as to the Sumerian/Babylonian base-12/base-60 systems.
I’m pretty much convinced of the notion of a “common cultural ancestor” interacting with all of these “totally unrelated” groups. Which explains all the knowledge and building techniques which these groups “shouldn’t have” had. I think astrology is a lot more important than we give it credit for these days, though that’s more a gut feeling than anything.
Many of the greatest masters (especially in the Eastern traditions) spent time in seclusion on mountaintops.
I think the notion of chi is closer to reality than not, and the various schools have a long tradition of associating mountains with concentration of energy to benefit training/healing/etc
And yeah. I’m not sure how much of “the record” to trust, but even going by mainstream numbers, we’ve been “anatomically modern” for 300,000 years, and they also unironically believe that the first time society could have begun was ~6-8,000 BC.... so we were what, identical to modern man, but we spent ~290,000 years jerking off in caves? It’s fucking retarded, but what’s worse is that suggestions otherwise seem “crazy” to most
Sumerians used base 60, the original human civilization.
Base 12 is a derivative of 60 by five.
Let that sink in.
Then the gematria are in base 10 so what gives?
If we are talking fingers and toes? How many do you have? I have five each. 5×12=60. Base 60 ÷ Base 12 = FIVE.
You have six fingers on your right hand. Someone was looking for you.
Just letting you know I've seen a lot of good posts from you this twelvemonth for the consumption of the scattered twelve tribes. Sorry I haven't had a chance to pick up on them more and copy out some of my twelvemo notes. It's after twelve o'clock here so I don't have time to list all the fascinating twelves that this relates to.
12th Chamber, from the album 1212 (twelve twelve), by the hip hop duo 7L ES
Sounds goodmann, I’ve missed sinking my teeth into your intellectual feasts of perspectives I so rarely see treated with the aplomb they deserve. I’d be quite interested in your response to my question on the purpose/benefits of the flesh as you see them, raised in your daily verse from a week or so back. See how our positions have evolved over the last Cycle
a) COUNT, verb - "to number; to tell or name one by one"...the foundation for counting implies ones choice to count other ones.
b) to be implies a unit (partial) within a system (whole).
c) each partial within a whole represents one; while the whole represents oneness.
d) the base of each one (living) implies oneness (process of dying).
e) one (perceiving) within oneness (perceivable) can be tempted to ignore oneself for suggested dualism aka TWO, adjective [Latin duo] - "one and one".
f) nature sets itself apart aka from whole (perceivable) into each partial (perceiving), partials can suggest each other the inversion of apartheid...togetherness aka e pluribus unum (out of many; one); tikkun olam (healing the world by bringing together), equality (same) through diversity (different); united nations; united states; european union; uniformity, migration (one into another one) etc.