You are spot on, my OP was a bit rushed, just trying to get my inner thoughts expressed in an initial form. You raise interesting nuance and basically express what I was going for, but more accurately to according to “the record”, so thanks.
The post would benefit tremendously from putting these concepts into context, or atleast what we think we know of their context. Namely that these systems seem to have been designed chiefly with regards to astrological measurements and record-keeping. Hence the base-60 system of the deep ancients (where the consideration of the spherical heavens was the primary goal, seemingly, which is facilitated greatly by the base-60 system and its convenience with subdividing spheres/circles) slowly devolving to the base 12 influences seen in the near ancients, which clearly still had great reverence for the heavens but seem to have drifted away from “science” to “religion” for lack of better terms. Almost like a great gift had been passed down to them, but in their youth and naïveté they had forgotten its true value and mechanisms.
Like you say, the only logical system is base-10. The fact that our oldest counting systems used these absurd (in most respects) counting bases indicates clearly, to me atleast, that there was an outside influence at work here.
I completely agree with your sentiment that all the "twelves" we see around us are echoes of long forgotten times. One of the earliest occurrences of such of which I am aware is that the Sumerians gave their deities specific numerical rank (12 ranks for 12 deities):
(Of course, one should use exquisite care in the wording. Perhaps these entities used a numerical ranking system among their "royalty", and the Sumerians simply recorded what they were told about it.)
For some reason, I expected to get blasted with both barrels, so I was delighted to see what you wrote. Thanks for the OP!
You are spot on, my OP was a bit rushed, just trying to get my inner thoughts expressed in an initial form. You raise interesting nuance and basically express what I was going for, but more accurately to according to “the record”, so thanks.
The post would benefit tremendously from putting these concepts into context, or atleast what we think we know of their context. Namely that these systems seem to have been designed chiefly with regards to astrological measurements and record-keeping. Hence the base-60 system of the deep ancients (where the consideration of the spherical heavens was the primary goal, seemingly, which is facilitated greatly by the base-60 system and its convenience with subdividing spheres/circles) slowly devolving to the base 12 influences seen in the near ancients, which clearly still had great reverence for the heavens but seem to have drifted away from “science” to “religion” for lack of better terms. Almost like a great gift had been passed down to them, but in their youth and naïveté they had forgotten its true value and mechanisms.
Like you say, the only logical system is base-10. The fact that our oldest counting systems used these absurd (in most respects) counting bases indicates clearly, to me atleast, that there was an outside influence at work here.
Cheers man thanks again for the comment!
I completely agree with your sentiment that all the "twelves" we see around us are echoes of long forgotten times. One of the earliest occurrences of such of which I am aware is that the Sumerians gave their deities specific numerical rank (12 ranks for 12 deities):
How did the ranking system for the Sumerian pantheon work?
(Of course, one should use exquisite care in the wording. Perhaps these entities used a numerical ranking system among their "royalty", and the Sumerians simply recorded what they were told about it.)
For some reason, I expected to get blasted with both barrels, so I was delighted to see what you wrote. Thanks for the OP!