My intuition tells me that the vax was going to be pushed by the government and Big Pharma regardless of Trumps wishes, and that this was probably conveyed to him at the time.
Does anyone actually think that they were going to allow a measly president to stop their plans for power and profit!?
Under these circumstances, I can see him taking that information and then attempting to put his name on it, and claim it was his idea and taking credit for the vaccine as both a media-manipulation maneuver and a "fuck you" to them. In the same way that he would consistently take their attacks on him and 'flip' them around to his own P.R. advantage.
This does nothing to excuse moral culpability for the vaccines, but matches both his own modus operandi and is consistent with the behavior of a government that is captive to control by unelected bureaucrats and corporate money.
I'm on the fence about trump. But what is interesting is that if you go over to greatawekening and ask questions, or point out anomalies, like does it really make sense that all the bad guys are in gitmo and currently clones are running the country to fuck things up really bad, so that later there will be an announcement which will show the white hats were in charge all along, you get banned for "dooming."
Holy shit this cope is off the charts. Trump's already been canceled by every social media outlet except his own. He's already been raided by the FBI. Do you really think a billionaire doesn't know how to hide his money from being frozen? All of your reasons for why he has to "tow the line" have already happened. Make all the excuses you want- he's been controlled opposition since day 1. If he was really on our side, he'd have been JFK'd a long time ago.
That shit was a psyop from the start, and was always meant to distract idiots and to manipulate and smear the gullible.
I judge Trump by "numbers on the board" for the average person in the US and he was far from perfect, but a lot better than any president of my adult life (I was born when Reagan was president.)
I initially had contempt for him (remember Ron Paul refusing to debate him and calling him "beneath the dignity of debating" back in 2012?) however my contempt for him was exceeded by my contempt for the farce of the Media-Political machine of this country. This my support for him and, later, my votes in the primary and general, came from a point of nihilism towards the system since he was very effectively pulling back the curtain to this absurdity and bringing it to the spotlight. He was also the anti-war candidate and this is my ultimate criteria when forced to make a choice between two mediocrities.
Despite that, I was pleasantly surprised that he managed to enact competent foreign and domestic policies, and the ones that he promoted (like domestic manufacturing) but could not get passed were objectively the correct positions (covid put this fact in vivid relief with supply chain issues and dependence upon our rival China for domestic medical supply.) No rational person can say that the positions he took, from domestic production to the EU's dependence on Russian energy, were not proved correct quite vividly.
Ayh use Bush and McCain and Romney as examples and yet Trump supporters refuse to admit they once passionately supported them. Jesus, McCain was a hero until he wasn't. How can one be so naive so many times. [dude, that fucking "ayh" shit is stupid and annoying af, btw]
You have no idea how vindicated I felt with my family and conservative friends that, due to Trump, they finally saw that I was right since 2008 in calling McCain and Romney pieces of shit! It was blatantly obvious even in 2008 (and again in 2012) that they were foils for Obama, not legitimate opposition: each represented a characterization of the least popular ideas and policies at the times of the elections!
McCain was a war hawk for the Middle East during an election when public sentiment had greatly turned against Bush's invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the zeitgeist was anti-war.
Romney represented the vulture capitalists as a scumbag who made his fortune by looting American companies and sending the jobs offshore at a time when the public sentiment was extremely angry with Wall Street for crashing the economy and getting bailed out.
These were scripted opponents who were never meant to win the election, only to prevent any competent opposition to Obama. Trump was meant to be the same against Hillary; her own campaign hoped he would win the primaries... it just didn't end up working as planned.
Some of it becomes viable if we are actually at war. Sleepy Joe has gotten some other countries to do some really stupid shit, like all the Russia sanctions that actually only hurt Europe.
I am banned currently on GAW for such a thing. Then the moderator was like "The want us divided" And I said......Well motherfucker stop being in an echo chamber, you act like a fucking lefty having REeeEEEEEeee flareups, when someone says anything negative about Trump. Why you such his dick mod team??
The thing about Trump is that he pretty much is what he says he is, and did what he said he would do. This is much different than expecting him to do what the right or left wing conspiracies said he would do, be it starting WWIII with (or for? It always was fluid) Russia or bringing National Sociaism to the USA as the next Hitler or locking up everyone in DC and being some sort of super hero working with "the good guys"...
Overall, by policy and actions, not words and hype, Trump was a moderate and slightly to the left of Bill Clinton on most every issue he worked on. (Though media on both sides will obfuscate and deny this fact.)
He is also arrogant, boastful, egotistical and thoroughly mid-brow intellectually. An example being his fast food banquet... I beleive it was totally sincere... the fast food companies are the largest and most profitable restaurant chains in the world, and 100% American (garbage culture imo). So, to him, they won the market and therefore they are the best.
His good points were that he genuinely does support the idea of America, and that America is better than anywhere else. He was not tied to GOP dogma on economic issues or gay marriage crap but did support a free market system and was 100% correct about needing to reshore our manufacturing and achieve energy independence. If Biden had left nothing but Trump's energy policy in place, the US would currently be in an economic boom as the sole supplier of energy to Europe.
Of course, Putin never would have invaded Ukraine if our energy policy had stayed the same... that is the entire truth of what enabled his invasion.
I don't doubt that he won the election if it had not been corrupted. And I also don't doubt that he would lose if he runs again, which is what the Democrats are hoping for.
DeSantis, despite faults, is the only real choice for president. Trump is over and needs to simply use his influence with the conservative base to push issues as essentially the new Roger Ailes. But he is to vain and stupid to realize this.
Which was also a time (under Obama) where the US was signaling weakness and begging for energy production from others.
But, at that time, there were other factors at play as well. This was also during the period that Biden was involved in (whatever the full scope be) shady dealings he was doing in Ukraine that seem to have come back to haunt our foreign policy.
The current situation hinges on US energy production in a way that the 2014 invasion did not. If the US had continued the domestic energy production trajectory of the Trump policies, then the attempts to use economic sanctions on Russia would be successful because the U.S. would be able to provide the EU with all the oil and gas that they are not obtaining from Russia! This would put the US in a very good financial position rather than the catastrophe we are currently in, and would have placed us on top economically again.
I say that Russia would not have invaded in this case because the invasion would have only caused the EU to drop all Russian energy imports and buy from the U.S. instead serving to bolster our economy and harm their own. It would totally change the calculus of the invasion.
This is probably one thing that Trump was very clear on and could read what was blatantly obvious about the potential risk of Nordstream II. (Which humorously Biden approved only because Trump opposed it before having to change positions after the invasion). In light of events of the past year, it is especially funny to re-watch the Trump-Germany meeting where he lectured them mockingly about buying Russian oil and see the articles from our media calling him an idiot for "not understanding the situation" since it played out EXACTLY the way he said it would.
Yep. I'm seeing almost exactly what you see, regarding Germany also.
I say that Russia would not have invaded in this case because the invasion would have only caused the EU to drop all Russian energy imports
My only argument with your assessment is that I can't so casually separate "annexing" 2014 Crimea from "invading" 2022 Kharkiv. Both are invasions into the same nation by the same other nation. Only difference is the more recent one met resistance.
If you weren’t a troll wouldn’t you just type “I” instead of “Ayh” like everyone else? Why is this not the behavior of a fed and a troll in everyone’s eyes?!
These voting totals and your title won’t sway his followers. Not worth our time.
I think it has more to do with being a dilettante: he wants his (copious) posting to be "recognizable" is my guess. It is annoying as fuck like the majority of his posts, but at least he contributes to this site having posts and occasionally manages an interesting one.
absolutely fair question - i have also wondered...
If you were couped from the highest office, would you just put out memos, not name names, throw patriots under the bus, rally for 'next time'? Why is this not the behavior of a loser or fraud in your eyes?!
personally, i believe that government at the level of POTUS is basically "cut throat" (figuratively and also literally). We know "they" kill Presidents (JFK, attempted Regan). We know they kill anyone they want - Ivana Trump, for example. She "fell down some stairs" ? Hmmm... OK so that was sus. but then almost immediately after that story broke, I saw this WTF:
bottom line: nothing to see here - her best friend expected it ;)
next day at the water cooler: ahh yea did you hear? her best friend expected it. oh well... next.
Personally, that felt like that was a warning message for Trump. (I don't know what was happening behind the scene, but... shortly following his place in Florida was raided by FBI.)
MY POINT BEING: It's cut throat. And I believe we are in a agreement on this point.
So.... consider this hypothetical:
... you just won the votes to be elected POTUS (pkvi'24), but clearly stolen from you at 4AM.
The main stream media hates you.
You have been booted from Twitter.
And you receive a letter via trusted messenger (Director of the FBI, for example) stating that if you attempt to disrupt the official results of the election that that there are credible threats your daughter / son / significant family member ... will be kidnapped, and pieces of him/her (finger bits, ear bits, nose, tongue, etc... ) will be mailed to you monthly as "proof of life".
Your move.
ps. His COVID stature has been very inconsistent - firstly pushing ivermectin, publicly removing his mask, and pronouncing COVID "will just disappear" ... to bragging about "operation warp speed" and telling everyone to "get the shots". I wonder what changed his mind? Perhaps a similar hypothetical? Perhaps mixed with a few carrots? (one carrot = USD 1 billion) -- i.e., "You're going to do what we want because if you don't, we'll remind the world that US POTUS' are vulnerable to accidents / assassinations. And also... here's a $ billion or two. Relax bro. You're 70+ chill. We got this... for the last few decades bro, we got this... sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up." - Israel/Mossad/CIA (aka TPTB)
Maybe not exactly, like that, but... I don't think it's an unreasonable scenario.
When people seen him elected and didn't bat an eye, was that not your first clue?
There is only left wing in politics now and has been that way for decades.
Everything is colluded under the push to create global communism for the elite. They are nearly done.
I don' believe we will have to wait until 2024. In 77 days we will see if Space Force is a joke, or the real deal watching over cyberspace and our elections.
One thing in favor of trump is that the left and media truly fear and despise him. He's been out of office for 2 years and they still talk non-stop about him. Bush was supposedly bad guy villain according to the left when he was in office but as soon as he left office he was chummy with the late night talk show hosts, hanging out with Big Mike, etc. Not the case with Trump. He doesn't seem to be on their side.
Trump helped get the vax on the streets and still hasn’t denounced it.
My intuition tells me that the vax was going to be pushed by the government and Big Pharma regardless of Trumps wishes, and that this was probably conveyed to him at the time.
Does anyone actually think that they were going to allow a measly president to stop their plans for power and profit!?
Under these circumstances, I can see him taking that information and then attempting to put his name on it, and claim it was his idea and taking credit for the vaccine as both a media-manipulation maneuver and a "fuck you" to them. In the same way that he would consistently take their attacks on him and 'flip' them around to his own P.R. advantage.
This does nothing to excuse moral culpability for the vaccines, but matches both his own modus operandi and is consistent with the behavior of a government that is captive to control by unelected bureaucrats and corporate money.
Hey, how did you read my mind and post what I was going to post before I posted it???
Anyway, jokes aside, I was also going to point out that none of this shit could have happened without Trump's operation warpspeed bullshit.
I'm on the fence about trump. But what is interesting is that if you go over to greatawekening and ask questions, or point out anomalies, like does it really make sense that all the bad guys are in gitmo and currently clones are running the country to fuck things up really bad, so that later there will be an announcement which will show the white hats were in charge all along, you get banned for "dooming."
Cults be like that.
Holy shit this cope is off the charts. Trump's already been canceled by every social media outlet except his own. He's already been raided by the FBI. Do you really think a billionaire doesn't know how to hide his money from being frozen? All of your reasons for why he has to "tow the line" have already happened. Make all the excuses you want- he's been controlled opposition since day 1. If he was really on our side, he'd have been JFK'd a long time ago.
That shit was a psyop from the start, and was always meant to distract idiots and to manipulate and smear the gullible.
I judge Trump by "numbers on the board" for the average person in the US and he was far from perfect, but a lot better than any president of my adult life (I was born when Reagan was president.)
I initially had contempt for him (remember Ron Paul refusing to debate him and calling him "beneath the dignity of debating" back in 2012?) however my contempt for him was exceeded by my contempt for the farce of the Media-Political machine of this country. This my support for him and, later, my votes in the primary and general, came from a point of nihilism towards the system since he was very effectively pulling back the curtain to this absurdity and bringing it to the spotlight. He was also the anti-war candidate and this is my ultimate criteria when forced to make a choice between two mediocrities.
Despite that, I was pleasantly surprised that he managed to enact competent foreign and domestic policies, and the ones that he promoted (like domestic manufacturing) but could not get passed were objectively the correct positions (covid put this fact in vivid relief with supply chain issues and dependence upon our rival China for domestic medical supply.) No rational person can say that the positions he took, from domestic production to the EU's dependence on Russian energy, were not proved correct quite vividly.
You have no idea how vindicated I felt with my family and conservative friends that, due to Trump, they finally saw that I was right since 2008 in calling McCain and Romney pieces of shit! It was blatantly obvious even in 2008 (and again in 2012) that they were foils for Obama, not legitimate opposition: each represented a characterization of the least popular ideas and policies at the times of the elections!
McCain was a war hawk for the Middle East during an election when public sentiment had greatly turned against Bush's invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the zeitgeist was anti-war.
Romney represented the vulture capitalists as a scumbag who made his fortune by looting American companies and sending the jobs offshore at a time when the public sentiment was extremely angry with Wall Street for crashing the economy and getting bailed out.
These were scripted opponents who were never meant to win the election, only to prevent any competent opposition to Obama. Trump was meant to be the same against Hillary; her own campaign hoped he would win the primaries... it just didn't end up working as planned.
Some of it becomes viable if we are actually at war. Sleepy Joe has gotten some other countries to do some really stupid shit, like all the Russia sanctions that actually only hurt Europe.
I am banned currently on GAW for such a thing. Then the moderator was like "The want us divided" And I said......Well motherfucker stop being in an echo chamber, you act like a fucking lefty having REeeEEEEEeee flareups, when someone says anything negative about Trump. Why you such his dick mod team??
I still havent gotten a response.
The thing about Trump is that he pretty much is what he says he is, and did what he said he would do. This is much different than expecting him to do what the right or left wing conspiracies said he would do, be it starting WWIII with (or for? It always was fluid) Russia or bringing National Sociaism to the USA as the next Hitler or locking up everyone in DC and being some sort of super hero working with "the good guys"...
Overall, by policy and actions, not words and hype, Trump was a moderate and slightly to the left of Bill Clinton on most every issue he worked on. (Though media on both sides will obfuscate and deny this fact.)
He is also arrogant, boastful, egotistical and thoroughly mid-brow intellectually. An example being his fast food banquet... I beleive it was totally sincere... the fast food companies are the largest and most profitable restaurant chains in the world, and 100% American (garbage culture imo). So, to him, they won the market and therefore they are the best.
His good points were that he genuinely does support the idea of America, and that America is better than anywhere else. He was not tied to GOP dogma on economic issues or gay marriage crap but did support a free market system and was 100% correct about needing to reshore our manufacturing and achieve energy independence. If Biden had left nothing but Trump's energy policy in place, the US would currently be in an economic boom as the sole supplier of energy to Europe.
Of course, Putin never would have invaded Ukraine if our energy policy had stayed the same... that is the entire truth of what enabled his invasion.
I don't doubt that he won the election if it had not been corrupted. And I also don't doubt that he would lose if he runs again, which is what the Democrats are hoping for.
DeSantis, despite faults, is the only real choice for president. Trump is over and needs to simply use his influence with the conservative base to push issues as essentially the new Roger Ailes. But he is to vain and stupid to realize this.
Can you expand on this? It doesn't ring true to me as Crimea was annexed by Russia under Obama in 2014.
Which was also a time (under Obama) where the US was signaling weakness and begging for energy production from others. But, at that time, there were other factors at play as well. This was also during the period that Biden was involved in (whatever the full scope be) shady dealings he was doing in Ukraine that seem to have come back to haunt our foreign policy.
The current situation hinges on US energy production in a way that the 2014 invasion did not. If the US had continued the domestic energy production trajectory of the Trump policies, then the attempts to use economic sanctions on Russia would be successful because the U.S. would be able to provide the EU with all the oil and gas that they are not obtaining from Russia! This would put the US in a very good financial position rather than the catastrophe we are currently in, and would have placed us on top economically again.
I say that Russia would not have invaded in this case because the invasion would have only caused the EU to drop all Russian energy imports and buy from the U.S. instead serving to bolster our economy and harm their own. It would totally change the calculus of the invasion.
This is probably one thing that Trump was very clear on and could read what was blatantly obvious about the potential risk of Nordstream II. (Which humorously Biden approved only because Trump opposed it before having to change positions after the invasion). In light of events of the past year, it is especially funny to re-watch the Trump-Germany meeting where he lectured them mockingly about buying Russian oil and see the articles from our media calling him an idiot for "not understanding the situation" since it played out EXACTLY the way he said it would.
Yep. I'm seeing almost exactly what you see, regarding Germany also.
My only argument with your assessment is that I can't so casually separate "annexing" 2014 Crimea from "invading" 2022 Kharkiv. Both are invasions into the same nation by the same other nation. Only difference is the more recent one met resistance.
If you weren’t a troll wouldn’t you just type “I” instead of “Ayh” like everyone else? Why is this not the behavior of a fed and a troll in everyone’s eyes?!
These voting totals and your title won’t sway his followers. Not worth our time.
I think it has more to do with being a dilettante: he wants his (copious) posting to be "recognizable" is my guess. It is annoying as fuck like the majority of his posts, but at least he contributes to this site having posts and occasionally manages an interesting one.
hey, pkvi...
absolutely fair question - i have also wondered...
personally, i believe that government at the level of POTUS is basically "cut throat" (figuratively and also literally). We know "they" kill Presidents (JFK, attempted Regan). We know they kill anyone they want - Ivana Trump, for example. She "fell down some stairs" ? Hmmm... OK so that was sus. but then almost immediately after that story broke, I saw this WTF:
Extra:
https://extratv.com/2022/07/15/ivana-trump-s-friend-always-feared-she-would-fall-down-treacherous-stairs-exclusive/
NY Post:
https://nypost.com/2022/07/16/ivana-trumps-friends-worried-about-treacherous-staircase/
Daily Mail (UK)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11019555/Ivana-Trumps-reveals-feared-socialite-trip-stairs.html
bottom line: nothing to see here - her best friend expected it ;)
next day at the water cooler: ahh yea did you hear? her best friend expected it. oh well... next.
Personally, that felt like that was a warning message for Trump. (I don't know what was happening behind the scene, but... shortly following his place in Florida was raided by FBI.)
MY POINT BEING: It's cut throat. And I believe we are in a agreement on this point.
So.... consider this hypothetical:
... you just won the votes to be elected POTUS (pkvi'24), but clearly stolen from you at 4AM.
The main stream media hates you.
You have been booted from Twitter.
And you receive a letter via trusted messenger (Director of the FBI, for example) stating that if you attempt to disrupt the official results of the election that that there are credible threats your daughter / son / significant family member ... will be kidnapped, and pieces of him/her (finger bits, ear bits, nose, tongue, etc... ) will be mailed to you monthly as "proof of life".
Your move.
ps. His COVID stature has been very inconsistent - firstly pushing ivermectin, publicly removing his mask, and pronouncing COVID "will just disappear" ... to bragging about "operation warp speed" and telling everyone to "get the shots". I wonder what changed his mind? Perhaps a similar hypothetical? Perhaps mixed with a few carrots? (one carrot = USD 1 billion) -- i.e., "You're going to do what we want because if you don't, we'll remind the world that US POTUS' are vulnerable to accidents / assassinations. And also... here's a $ billion or two. Relax bro. You're 70+ chill. We got this... for the last few decades bro, we got this... sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up." - Israel/Mossad/CIA (aka TPTB)
Maybe not exactly, like that, but... I don't think it's an unreasonable scenario.
When people seen him elected and didn't bat an eye, was that not your first clue? There is only left wing in politics now and has been that way for decades.
Everything is colluded under the push to create global communism for the elite. They are nearly done.
I don' believe we will have to wait until 2024. In 77 days we will see if Space Force is a joke, or the real deal watching over cyberspace and our elections.
One thing in favor of trump is that the left and media truly fear and despise him. He's been out of office for 2 years and they still talk non-stop about him. Bush was supposedly bad guy villain according to the left when he was in office but as soon as he left office he was chummy with the late night talk show hosts, hanging out with Big Mike, etc. Not the case with Trump. He doesn't seem to be on their side.
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