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posted 3 years ago by pkvi 3 years ago by pkvi +32 / -7
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– Occams-razor-burn 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Which was also a time (under Obama) where the US was signaling weakness and begging for energy production from others. But, at that time, there were other factors at play as well. This was also during the period that Biden was involved in (whatever the full scope be) shady dealings he was doing in Ukraine that seem to have come back to haunt our foreign policy.

The current situation hinges on US energy production in a way that the 2014 invasion did not. If the US had continued the domestic energy production trajectory of the Trump policies, then the attempts to use economic sanctions on Russia would be successful because the U.S. would be able to provide the EU with all the oil and gas that they are not obtaining from Russia! This would put the US in a very good financial position rather than the catastrophe we are currently in, and would have placed us on top economically again.

I say that Russia would not have invaded in this case because the invasion would have only caused the EU to drop all Russian energy imports and buy from the U.S. instead serving to bolster our economy and harm their own. It would totally change the calculus of the invasion.

This is probably one thing that Trump was very clear on and could read what was blatantly obvious about the potential risk of Nordstream II. (Which humorously Biden approved only because Trump opposed it before having to change positions after the invasion). In light of events of the past year, it is especially funny to re-watch the Trump-Germany meeting where he lectured them mockingly about buying Russian oil and see the articles from our media calling him an idiot for "not understanding the situation" since it played out EXACTLY the way he said it would.

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– IGOexiled 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Yep. I'm seeing almost exactly what you see, regarding Germany also.

I say that Russia would not have invaded in this case because the invasion would have only caused the EU to drop all Russian energy imports

My only argument with your assessment is that I can't so casually separate "annexing" 2014 Crimea from "invading" 2022 Kharkiv. Both are invasions into the same nation by the same other nation. Only difference is the more recent one met resistance.

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