I saw this picture when it happened. I never even knew the names of the mother and daughter before today, but I was never able to forget the image. I described it to many people as one of the saddest pictures I have ever seen. None seemed to care.
Back then, nobody had much idea what was going on in Ukraine. "There are actual Nazis there!" I told them. None troubled themselves to find out more. Few could have even found Ukraine on a map.
Fast forward to 2022 and now there are many strident maniacally homicidal ignorant virtue signallers on the side of the people that did it. I suspect most of them still could not find Ukraine on a map.
I know. When I found these pictures I knew I should assemble them to post them all together but doing so left my eyes stinging with tears and I am a grown man. I thought I could do it but such timeless innocence of a young mother with her child so brutally and indiscrimately destroyed is just beyond words.
LoL you think these Bandera worshiping neo nazi thugs care what heads of state say or think? They function independently and are funded externally by the U.S. When the former President Poroshenko said he would sign legislation they didn't want they told him, sign that and we will hang you from a freeway overpass. He didn't sign it.
Kristina and Kira are just two of the thousands of Ukrainian civilians murdered by the U.S. backed far right Ukranian military for the crime of being ethnically and culturally Russian. Only such inhuman evil as that piece of shit in the whitehouse today could look at those pictures without shedding a tear for Kristina and what she represents for all humanity. A loving mother and her young child so brutally assaulted by these NATO backed terrorists masquerading as a military but who will stand up and oppose them when their only wish is to perpetuate such evil with more weapons and more funding?
Doesn't mention anything about who killed those civilians.
My guess it is the ones shelling and shooting at villages. It is reasonable to think the aggressors are responsible for the vast majority of civilian casualties, just as I think the Russians have caused the majority of civilian deaths this year.
They have issued daily updates since March 7, 2022. Search ohchr.org for: ukraine civilian casualty
That's an example of the level of detail in their reporting.
Source is the UN. Wait, now we trust them?
If you have an actual issue with their methodology or honesty, feel free to explain. I would not accept an argument that nobody is in a position to provide an honest count, so therefore any reports are vastly overstated by orders of magnitude. (As if the UN would be trying to support Donetsk and Luhansk in the first place...)
You can only speak for yourself, not others. My guess is that someone cares about my guesses.
so you trust the UN then? Yes or no?
It's not a black or white issue. That organization, being a collective of thousands of people, most certainly does not have my absolute trust. It doesn't matter the degree to which I think the things they publish are credible.
Really, why should such a thing even matter? What is your claim?
This website is just about the civilians killed in 2014 - 2015.
http://poorworld.net/Ukraine0.htm you can see there are 99 pages of ordinary people like Kristina and Kira torn apart by the shelling of civilian neighborhoods in Ukraine in those 2 years alone. Where was all the outraged media and politicians then? Where were all Bidens sanctions then? There was none and they were silent because they were backing those responsible and that is a fact.
They were former soviet shells and missiles that became the property of the Ukranian military when the Soviet Union broke up in the 1990s but the far right extremist anti-Russian military units who commited these atrocities absolutely were and still are NATO backed and funded by the American taxpayer.
Does anyone have an answer for why God allows things like this and other atrocities to occur?
Free will above all else? Indifference? Multiple Gods ie some do harm and some do good? This reality is a long battle and wager between God and someone else, winner takes all but no interfering in the meantime?
Genuinely curious, I’m not just being dramatic or whatever
I do believe there is something more to be seen than what we can normally perceive with our senses, so the idea of God existing isn’t a ridiculous notion to me like it is with some
No reasonable answer scoffed at, honestly
Curious what other people who do believe in at least the possible existence of God tell themselves when considering why God allows things like this to happen
Kids with cancer, etc
Not to list off all of the wrongs and awful things of our world, because there’s a ton of incredible stuff, too
I look forward to hearing answers to this, if anyone cares to offer their thoughts
God is not a nanny for the humanity to allow or not allow anything humans do. According to orthodox christianity, God create humans and give them free will. Free will is what makes us godlike creatures. Simplified, free will is an ability of creature to make decisions and create cause-effect chains in the universe. Since it is a godlike feature, it is completely up to us how to use it and for what. If God will allow or disallow something for humans, humans will lose that free will feature and will not be godlike creations as created.
You could ask God for help and He could help you, but it will be result of your free will, and your cause-effect chain, not His.
We, as God's children having eaten the fruit, have knowledge of good and evil.
These things are evil, but if we were just animals we wouldn't worry about it. It's hardly worse than a moose being torn apart by wolves or a baby whale having it's face eaten by orcas.
Suffering is in the nature of the universe, that's pretty much the one thing all religions agree on.
What makes these things truly evil is that the people perpetrating them know they are bringing suffering and do it anyway. They do it for their own gain, not even caring that it will rebound on them as the Russian army decimates their army and cities.
The neo-nazi sociopaths who did this and all those who planned and trained and funded them and their terrorist operations have no God. They are the agents of evil.
What kind of bomb can blow off legs but not disturb the grass?
The whole picture is suspicious, along with the "Ukraine decided to start attacking itself and that's why Russia had to annex the Crimean ports" narrative. Everything's after-the-fact, how convenient, after attacking this man, that we soon discover he deserved to be attacked.
The kind of shell that does that can be air burst and/or explode tens of meters away and pieces of steel from the shell casing rip through anyone around like knives through butter.
I saw this picture when it happened. I never even knew the names of the mother and daughter before today, but I was never able to forget the image. I described it to many people as one of the saddest pictures I have ever seen. None seemed to care.
Back then, nobody had much idea what was going on in Ukraine. "There are actual Nazis there!" I told them. None troubled themselves to find out more. Few could have even found Ukraine on a map.
Fast forward to 2022 and now there are many strident maniacally homicidal ignorant virtue signallers on the side of the people that did it. I suspect most of them still could not find Ukraine on a map.
I know. When I found these pictures I knew I should assemble them to post them all together but doing so left my eyes stinging with tears and I am a grown man. I thought I could do it but such timeless innocence of a young mother with her child so brutally and indiscrimately destroyed is just beyond words.
No, not those nazis. THESE Nazis https://i.imgur.com/B0chrYk.jpg
LoL you think these Bandera worshiping neo nazi thugs care what heads of state say or think? They function independently and are funded externally by the U.S. When the former President Poroshenko said he would sign legislation they didn't want they told him, sign that and we will hang you from a freeway overpass. He didn't sign it.
Kristina and Kira are just two of the thousands of Ukrainian civilians murdered by the U.S. backed far right Ukranian military for the crime of being ethnically and culturally Russian. Only such inhuman evil as that piece of shit in the whitehouse today could look at those pictures without shedding a tear for Kristina and what she represents for all humanity. A loving mother and her young child so brutally assaulted by these NATO backed terrorists masquerading as a military but who will stand up and oppose them when their only wish is to perpetuate such evil with more weapons and more funding?
That's a weird way to say jews. This is the world wars all over again. Have you guys learned nothing yet?
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War -- War in Donbas (before 2022 invasion) -- Total deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Total_deaths
My guess it is the ones shelling and shooting at villages. It is reasonable to think the aggressors are responsible for the vast majority of civilian casualties, just as I think the Russians have caused the majority of civilian deaths this year.
They have issued daily updates since March 7, 2022. Search ohchr.org for: ukraine civilian casualty
Ukraine: civilian casualty update 7 March 2022 https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/03/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-7-march-2022
That's an example of the level of detail in their reporting.
If you have an actual issue with their methodology or honesty, feel free to explain. I would not accept an argument that nobody is in a position to provide an honest count, so therefore any reports are vastly overstated by orders of magnitude. (As if the UN would be trying to support Donetsk and Luhansk in the first place...)
You can only speak for yourself, not others. My guess is that someone cares about my guesses.
It's not a black or white issue. That organization, being a collective of thousands of people, most certainly does not have my absolute trust. It doesn't matter the degree to which I think the things they publish are credible.
Really, why should such a thing even matter? What is your claim?
This website is just about the civilians killed in 2014 - 2015. http://poorworld.net/Ukraine0.htm you can see there are 99 pages of ordinary people like Kristina and Kira torn apart by the shelling of civilian neighborhoods in Ukraine in those 2 years alone. Where was all the outraged media and politicians then? Where were all Bidens sanctions then? There was none and they were silent because they were backing those responsible and that is a fact.
Well the shells were probably from France or Nato so... "from Paris with love" for the one who loved Paris. Sigh 😔
They were former soviet shells and missiles that became the property of the Ukranian military when the Soviet Union broke up in the 1990s but the far right extremist anti-Russian military units who commited these atrocities absolutely were and still are NATO backed and funded by the American taxpayer.
AND FRENCH AND GERMIN AND UK AND WHATEVER !
Does anyone have an answer for why God allows things like this and other atrocities to occur?
Free will above all else? Indifference? Multiple Gods ie some do harm and some do good? This reality is a long battle and wager between God and someone else, winner takes all but no interfering in the meantime?
Genuinely curious, I’m not just being dramatic or whatever
I do believe there is something more to be seen than what we can normally perceive with our senses, so the idea of God existing isn’t a ridiculous notion to me like it is with some
No reasonable answer scoffed at, honestly
Curious what other people who do believe in at least the possible existence of God tell themselves when considering why God allows things like this to happen
Kids with cancer, etc
Not to list off all of the wrongs and awful things of our world, because there’s a ton of incredible stuff, too
I look forward to hearing answers to this, if anyone cares to offer their thoughts
God is not a nanny for the humanity to allow or not allow anything humans do. According to orthodox christianity, God create humans and give them free will. Free will is what makes us godlike creatures. Simplified, free will is an ability of creature to make decisions and create cause-effect chains in the universe. Since it is a godlike feature, it is completely up to us how to use it and for what. If God will allow or disallow something for humans, humans will lose that free will feature and will not be godlike creations as created.
You could ask God for help and He could help you, but it will be result of your free will, and your cause-effect chain, not His.
Something like that.
We, as God's children having eaten the fruit, have knowledge of good and evil.
These things are evil, but if we were just animals we wouldn't worry about it. It's hardly worse than a moose being torn apart by wolves or a baby whale having it's face eaten by orcas.
Suffering is in the nature of the universe, that's pretty much the one thing all religions agree on.
What makes these things truly evil is that the people perpetrating them know they are bringing suffering and do it anyway. They do it for their own gain, not even caring that it will rebound on them as the Russian army decimates their army and cities.
no, we didn't eat an apple that made us all sinnners. That's jew nonsense
The world is fallen and the absence of God causes death and despair to naturally emerge.
Nah, you could understand it NOW, ya know, if you weren't a shill.
The neo-nazi sociopaths who did this and all those who planned and trained and funded them and their terrorist operations have no God. They are the agents of evil.
these things are being done by jews
n/m. imma go find god. i dont want to die.
that baby was put there for the picture.
What kind of bomb can blow off legs but not disturb the grass?
The whole picture is suspicious, along with the "Ukraine decided to start attacking itself and that's why Russia had to annex the Crimean ports" narrative. Everything's after-the-fact, how convenient, after attacking this man, that we soon discover he deserved to be attacked.
The kind of shell that does that can be air burst and/or explode tens of meters away and pieces of steel from the shell casing rip through anyone around like knives through butter.
Do not allow yourself to be thought-terminated. Even if the corpses were placed there (which I doubt), that doesn't mean it didn't happen.