Confirm. There are no any problems in access to any western media for anybody interested. In Russia even stupidiest videobloggers know for a long time what VPN and proxy is and how to use them. Russians are used to censorship and perfectly know how to ignore and fuck it. Western people have to pass that way too.
But really, that free access to any Western media does not tell anything about true state of war too. So most people get the info about true state of war not from Russian or Western MSM, but directly from Ukrainian relatives and friends.
PS: You will laugh, but even Peskov, official spokeman of Putin, some time ago openly told to the press that he is using VPN to access the officially censored Western MSM, because using VPN is perfectly legal in Russia.
If you agree that you need vpn and proxy then you admit that Russia is blocking access, proving op to be a liar.
How did you learn to do shoelaces?
It is Russia government think that they are blocking something. Russian people fuck government laws, orders and bans and we have full and unlimited access to anything we want. That is why OP is absolutely correct saying that western media is available and openly discussed in Russia. Because it is.
Do you understand, that government and people are completely different things? And if government declare or push something, that does not mean that people will agree or comply. In any modern country its government is the first and worst enemy of its people.
It is time for people of the West to widely learn that their governments are their enemies too and began to ignore their laws, orders and bans massively.
Coronahoax shown that the West definitely have a hope. That they are not a slaves of their governments. Many western people fuck and ignore that stupid government coronahoax laws, orders and mandates, and I proud of them. So they definitely could learn to fight censorship and learn others to do it. And about ignoring many other government things too. It will be vitally necessary in coming artificial food shortages to ignore any state laws about growing own food, rising own livestock and sharing own seeds with neigbours.
Op claims that western media isn't bein censored in Russia.
You are lying. OP didn't claim that. OP say that "Actually, western coverage is available and openly discussed in Russia". It is true. Western coverage is available and openly discussed in Russia without any problems.
No it is not. u/crazyrussian confirms that it is censored.
It is officially censored. But everybody have access. Because Russians could ignore government laws and orders if need to.
Do you understand that nobody in Russia, even most devoted government shills do not care even a little what that stupid government censor or ban? We just do not care at all and continue to use what we want.
Are you a slave of your government and do absolutely everything it order you? How many times are you jabbed? Do you wear a mask now?
Very few select sources are blocked, for openly supporting killing Russians, and other such things. This includes Meta (FB) for example. Just about every news media (including CNN) is available.
Edit: In other words, if some western resource is blocked, it's not to restrict information. Western coverage is openly discussed on national TV and elsewhere, no one is preventing anyone from accessing it.
Well, u/crazyrussian is literally confirming that Western media is blocked in Russia and one needs a vpn or proxy to access it. Are you calling him a liar?
You are a liar. I never stated that Western media is blocked in Russia. It is officially censored by government. That does not mean it is not accessible.
Check FB feeds of russian users and you will discover that they easly continue to use censored FB without any problems.
I have access to all media. I even speak a little Russian and know people on Russia. I've chatted with Ukrianians in Ukraine. I still don't really know what the truth is regarding the war.
If a man is stealing your TV and you punch him, did you start the fight?
You can try to do some mental gymnastics and blame the guy who threw the first punch but that's a leftist worldview. In reality, good people know a punch never would have occured if the thief didn't try stealing the TV. Therefore the thief started it.
Don't be sorry, I reply him only to give others a different point of view, not to satisfy him. :) He is already fall into endless loop, so out of business.
May I ask, how do Russians view the current war?
Most don't understand why it was done in that strange way, not just recognition of DPR/LPR with following military support in current DPR/LPR limits. There is no any desire to acquire any additional Ukrainian territory, or to merge Ukraine into Russia in that group.
Of course there is noticeable part thet supports anything government do, and also noticeable part that think this is an absolute crime.
Also, Ukrainians for that matter.
Ukrainians mostly angry.
I feel the 2014 coup was indeed an escalation of force on the West's part.
Kind of. West was definitely in that coup, but I think that was planned and people on the streets really decided nothing.
As usual elite do what they need and people suffer.
As usual elite do what they need and people suffer.
Thats the perfect way to explain it.
I dont think Russia wants Ukraine as an actual territory. I believe Putin when he says hes removing NATO/West.
Im certain we are in Ukraine covertly, paying off politicans, investing in biolabs, etc.
However, Russia does the exact same thing to Ukraine. Putin probably wants Ukraine "independently" pro Russian. (Russian installed leardership.)
Ukrainians wanting protection from Russia is understandable.
However, NATO and the west can be just as nefarious.
What Russia does overtly, the West does covertly.
Its like, an impossible situation. I wish Ukraine could have its sovereignty and everyone agree to maintain it. That would the peace treaty right there. Ukraine is a very strategic position for both sides so that would be fair.
I believe that was actually the deal previously with the Belovezh Accords and both sides were breaking it secretly.
Elitist don't care. It is all so stupid. The answer is simple but everyone at the top is greedy.
Sorry to ramble about how I feel about it. Im glad to hear how you guys in the east feel. Im sorry this is going on on your lands and hurting your peoples. I apologize for our involvement in causing any of this.
No need to sorry or apologize, especially for the things you don't control, we are here to exchange information, opinions and feelings.
Your opinion is absolutely sane and weighted. Just few remarks:
There is 50/50 Ukrainian/Russian speaking people in Ukraine. From the beginning of independence Ukrainian government thoroughly drive a wedge between two parts of population.
Both parts really prefer independence, but Ukrainian speaking part is for closer ties to the West, and Russian-speaking part is for closer ties to the Russia. Instead of wise using this bilinguality to build a strong balance and complete independency with good realtions and profits from both, West and Russia, Ukrainian government just ruined everything rising tensions between that parts. If Ukrainian government from the beginning approved Russian language as state one along with Ukrainian (it is a normal and common practice in the world, even for countries with 10/90 lingual ratio), there would have been no any Crimea separation, DPR/LPR and all that stuff. So, all that was done for purpose. It is hard to say will that separation progress to complete divorce of two parts of Ukraine or will be somehow fixed, but to understand the situation you have to have it in mind.
Also, there is another interesting nuance- two decades ago Russia wanted to join NATO, even special group named "Partnership for peace" was created to prepare that process. But that process was suddenly cut from both sides at the same moment. So, Russian government do not really see NATO as eternal enemy at all, just use it as a
convenient reason to justify any shit.
Man, that is all interesting. It almost seems like you said. This was planned to happen. All of it. Even now.
Like a stage was set.
I didn't know that about Russia and NATO. That is very interesting.
Id like to also mention other oddities. Like, why would Russia would donate to the Clinton foundation during her election? (Like, an unusally large amount, after the Ukraine and G7 fiasco too)
Why work with US, as we speak, to close and Iran deal. (Such a bad deal too)
Why would Biden, Germany and others buy oil from Russia? Especially US, weve gone out of our way to do so.
Also Uranium 1 and other Obama era scandles with Iran and Russia. Like the, "ill have more flexibility after my election" remarks between Obama and Putin.
It almost feels like it is all coordinated. Like both sides are in on the game. They want a war to divide and rule I guess.
I didn't know that about Russia and NATO. That is very interesting.
There even was a NATO base in Russia near Ulianovsk town for servicing NATO jets from Afganistan. Russia began to buy Western military equipment from vehicles to different weaponry electronics like IR cameras and other stuff.
Why would Biden, Germany and others buy oil from Russia?
Germany was put on the needle of Russian resources just like Russia was put on the needle of being resource seller. Germany shutted down 3 of 6 nuclear power plants at 2021 and should shut down last 3 to the end of 2022, f.e. It was definitely planned and forced, to have a strong lever for further steps.
They want a war to divide and rule I guess.
Or to create a perfect reason for artificial shortages and worldwide famine needed for Great Reset.
PS: You will laugh, but even Peskov, official spokeman of Putin, some time ago openly told to the press that he is using VPN to access the officially censored Western MSM, because using VPN is perfectly legal in Russia.
You literally state here that it is censored in Russia.
Do you understnad that if something is censored by government absolutely does not mean that people do not have access to that?
Do you understand that any government law or order could be ignored or worked around? Why should I teach somebody from the west (or Israel?) about free will and other stuff?
plot twist: the united states is actually the provoker in the world, and the orwellian nightmare
:o
Yeah, they didn't specifically say which country's "Orwellian media coverage." That's Lying 101 material.
Is Putin so weak-minded that the USA can provoke him into invading other countries?
Yes, he is.
But that is not USA who provoke him. He just do what NWO ordered him. Putin is NWO shill, that's all.
yeah, the US is the jew puppet
Confirm. There are no any problems in access to any western media for anybody interested. In Russia even stupidiest videobloggers know for a long time what VPN and proxy is and how to use them. Russians are used to censorship and perfectly know how to ignore and fuck it. Western people have to pass that way too.
But really, that free access to any Western media does not tell anything about true state of war too. So most people get the info about true state of war not from Russian or Western MSM, but directly from Ukrainian relatives and friends.
PS: You will laugh, but even Peskov, official spokeman of Putin, some time ago openly told to the press that he is using VPN to access the officially censored Western MSM, because using VPN is perfectly legal in Russia.
Russia is strange, I know. :)
If you agree that you need vpn and proxy then you admit that Russia is blocking access, proving op to be a liar.
Thank you!
How did you learn to do shoelaces?
It is Russia government think that they are blocking something. Russian people fuck government laws, orders and bans and we have full and unlimited access to anything we want. That is why OP is absolutely correct saying that western media is available and openly discussed in Russia. Because it is.
Do you understand, that government and people are completely different things? And if government declare or push something, that does not mean that people will agree or comply. In any modern country its government is the first and worst enemy of its people.
It is time for people of the West to widely learn that their governments are their enemies too and began to ignore their laws, orders and bans massively.
Coronahoax shown that the West definitely have a hope. That they are not a slaves of their governments. Many western people fuck and ignore that stupid government coronahoax laws, orders and mandates, and I proud of them. So they definitely could learn to fight censorship and learn others to do it. And about ignoring many other government things too. It will be vitally necessary in coming artificial food shortages to ignore any state laws about growing own food, rising own livestock and sharing own seeds with neigbours.
Op claims that western media isn't bein censored in Russia.
You admit that Russia actually does censor Western media.
Therefore, Op is a liar.
What is the argument here?
You are lying. OP didn't claim that. OP say that "Actually, western coverage is available and openly discussed in Russia". It is true. Western coverage is available and openly discussed in Russia without any problems.
Op's claim:
No it is not. u/crazyrussian confirms that it is censored.
Are you unable to understand English?
It is officially censored. But everybody have access. Because Russians could ignore government laws and orders if need to.
Do you understand that nobody in Russia, even most devoted government shills do not care even a little what that stupid government censor or ban? We just do not care at all and continue to use what we want.
Are you a slave of your government and do absolutely everything it order you? How many times are you jabbed? Do you wear a mask now?
That is like claiming a locked door is actually open just because you have a lockpick that can open it.
Not everyone has that lockpick.
Very few select sources are blocked, for openly supporting killing Russians, and other such things. This includes Meta (FB) for example. Just about every news media (including CNN) is available.
Edit: In other words, if some western resource is blocked, it's not to restrict information. Western coverage is openly discussed on national TV and elsewhere, no one is preventing anyone from accessing it.
Well, u/crazyrussian is literally confirming that Western media is blocked in Russia and one needs a vpn or proxy to access it. Are you calling him a liar?
You are a liar. I never stated that Western media is blocked in Russia. It is officially censored by government. That does not mean it is not accessible.
Check FB feeds of russian users and you will discover that they easly continue to use censored FB without any problems.
For fuck's sake, learn English, please.
yup - rules for radicals
Wow they must be doubble in the dark because western media ain't covering shit but pro Ukraine propaganda. Lol.
I have access to all media. I even speak a little Russian and know people on Russia. I've chatted with Ukrianians in Ukraine. I still don't really know what the truth is regarding the war.
Russia invaded Ukraine. Can we agree on that?
Sure but just because Russia invaded Ukraine doesn't mean Russia started it.
So you think that Ukraine started the Russian invasion How did that work? Did they hijack the Russian army?
If a man is stealing your TV and you punch him, did you start the fight?
You can try to do some mental gymnastics and blame the guy who threw the first punch but that's a leftist worldview. In reality, good people know a punch never would have occured if the thief didn't try stealing the TV. Therefore the thief started it.
What did Ukraine steal from Russia?
There is no war. No conflict, no death, no guns. It's war theatre using actors.
/u/crazyrussian : thank you for exposing op as a liar!
That is not true. OP didn't lie at all. All western media is available and discussed in Russia without any problems.
You are a liar.
Thank you for sharing info on the state of things in Russia. Sorry for the Troll.
May I ask, how do Russians view the current war? Also, Ukrainians for that matter.
(For reference, I feel the 2014 coup was indeed an escalation of force on the West's part. However, I am sad for the people involved.)
Don't be sorry, I reply him only to give others a different point of view, not to satisfy him. :) He is already fall into endless loop, so out of business.
Most don't understand why it was done in that strange way, not just recognition of DPR/LPR with following military support in current DPR/LPR limits. There is no any desire to acquire any additional Ukrainian territory, or to merge Ukraine into Russia in that group.
Of course there is noticeable part thet supports anything government do, and also noticeable part that think this is an absolute crime.
Ukrainians mostly angry.
Kind of. West was definitely in that coup, but I think that was planned and people on the streets really decided nothing.
As usual elite do what they need and people suffer.
Thats the perfect way to explain it.
I dont think Russia wants Ukraine as an actual territory. I believe Putin when he says hes removing NATO/West.
Im certain we are in Ukraine covertly, paying off politicans, investing in biolabs, etc.
However, Russia does the exact same thing to Ukraine. Putin probably wants Ukraine "independently" pro Russian. (Russian installed leardership.)
Ukrainians wanting protection from Russia is understandable.
However, NATO and the west can be just as nefarious.
What Russia does overtly, the West does covertly.
Its like, an impossible situation. I wish Ukraine could have its sovereignty and everyone agree to maintain it. That would the peace treaty right there. Ukraine is a very strategic position for both sides so that would be fair.
I believe that was actually the deal previously with the Belovezh Accords and both sides were breaking it secretly.
Elitist don't care. It is all so stupid. The answer is simple but everyone at the top is greedy.
Sorry to ramble about how I feel about it. Im glad to hear how you guys in the east feel. Im sorry this is going on on your lands and hurting your peoples. I apologize for our involvement in causing any of this.
No need to sorry or apologize, especially for the things you don't control, we are here to exchange information, opinions and feelings.
Your opinion is absolutely sane and weighted. Just few remarks:
There is 50/50 Ukrainian/Russian speaking people in Ukraine. From the beginning of independence Ukrainian government thoroughly drive a wedge between two parts of population. Both parts really prefer independence, but Ukrainian speaking part is for closer ties to the West, and Russian-speaking part is for closer ties to the Russia. Instead of wise using this bilinguality to build a strong balance and complete independency with good realtions and profits from both, West and Russia, Ukrainian government just ruined everything rising tensions between that parts. If Ukrainian government from the beginning approved Russian language as state one along with Ukrainian (it is a normal and common practice in the world, even for countries with 10/90 lingual ratio), there would have been no any Crimea separation, DPR/LPR and all that stuff. So, all that was done for purpose. It is hard to say will that separation progress to complete divorce of two parts of Ukraine or will be somehow fixed, but to understand the situation you have to have it in mind.
Also, there is another interesting nuance- two decades ago Russia wanted to join NATO, even special group named "Partnership for peace" was created to prepare that process. But that process was suddenly cut from both sides at the same moment. So, Russian government do not really see NATO as eternal enemy at all, just use it as a convenient reason to justify any shit.
Man, that is all interesting. It almost seems like you said. This was planned to happen. All of it. Even now.
Like a stage was set.
I didn't know that about Russia and NATO. That is very interesting.
Id like to also mention other oddities. Like, why would Russia would donate to the Clinton foundation during her election? (Like, an unusally large amount, after the Ukraine and G7 fiasco too)
Why work with US, as we speak, to close and Iran deal. (Such a bad deal too)
Why would Biden, Germany and others buy oil from Russia? Especially US, weve gone out of our way to do so.
Also Uranium 1 and other Obama era scandles with Iran and Russia. Like the, "ill have more flexibility after my election" remarks between Obama and Putin.
It almost feels like it is all coordinated. Like both sides are in on the game. They want a war to divide and rule I guess.
There even was a NATO base in Russia near Ulianovsk town for servicing NATO jets from Afganistan. Russia began to buy Western military equipment from vehicles to different weaponry electronics like IR cameras and other stuff.
Germany was put on the needle of Russian resources just like Russia was put on the needle of being resource seller. Germany shutted down 3 of 6 nuclear power plants at 2021 and should shut down last 3 to the end of 2022, f.e. It was definitely planned and forced, to have a strong lever for further steps.
Or to create a perfect reason for artificial shortages and worldwide famine needed for Great Reset.
You literally state here that it is censored in Russia.
Are you insane?
Do you understnad that if something is censored by government absolutely does not mean that people do not have access to that?
Do you understand that any government law or order could be ignored or worked around? Why should I teach somebody from the west (or Israel?) about free will and other stuff?