As usual elite do what they need and people suffer.
Thats the perfect way to explain it.
I dont think Russia wants Ukraine as an actual territory. I believe Putin when he says hes removing NATO/West.
Im certain we are in Ukraine covertly, paying off politicans, investing in biolabs, etc.
However, Russia does the exact same thing to Ukraine. Putin probably wants Ukraine "independently" pro Russian. (Russian installed leardership.)
Ukrainians wanting protection from Russia is understandable.
However, NATO and the west can be just as nefarious.
What Russia does overtly, the West does covertly.
Its like, an impossible situation. I wish Ukraine could have its sovereignty and everyone agree to maintain it. That would the peace treaty right there. Ukraine is a very strategic position for both sides so that would be fair.
I believe that was actually the deal previously with the Belovezh Accords and both sides were breaking it secretly.
Elitist don't care. It is all so stupid. The answer is simple but everyone at the top is greedy.
Sorry to ramble about how I feel about it. Im glad to hear how you guys in the east feel. Im sorry this is going on on your lands and hurting your peoples. I apologize for our involvement in causing any of this.
No need to sorry or apologize, especially for the things you don't control, we are here to exchange information, opinions and feelings.
Your opinion is absolutely sane and weighted. Just few remarks:
There is 50/50 Ukrainian/Russian speaking people in Ukraine. From the beginning of independence Ukrainian government thoroughly drive a wedge between two parts of population.
Both parts really prefer independence, but Ukrainian speaking part is for closer ties to the West, and Russian-speaking part is for closer ties to the Russia. Instead of wise using this bilinguality to build a strong balance and complete independency with good realtions and profits from both, West and Russia, Ukrainian government just ruined everything rising tensions between that parts. If Ukrainian government from the beginning approved Russian language as state one along with Ukrainian (it is a normal and common practice in the world, even for countries with 10/90 lingual ratio), there would have been no any Crimea separation, DPR/LPR and all that stuff. So, all that was done for purpose. It is hard to say will that separation progress to complete divorce of two parts of Ukraine or will be somehow fixed, but to understand the situation you have to have it in mind.
Also, there is another interesting nuance- two decades ago Russia wanted to join NATO, even special group named "Partnership for peace" was created to prepare that process. But that process was suddenly cut from both sides at the same moment. So, Russian government do not really see NATO as eternal enemy at all, just use it as a
convenient reason to justify any shit.
Man, that is all interesting. It almost seems like you said. This was planned to happen. All of it. Even now.
Like a stage was set.
I didn't know that about Russia and NATO. That is very interesting.
Id like to also mention other oddities. Like, why would Russia would donate to the Clinton foundation during her election? (Like, an unusally large amount, after the Ukraine and G7 fiasco too)
Why work with US, as we speak, to close and Iran deal. (Such a bad deal too)
Why would Biden, Germany and others buy oil from Russia? Especially US, weve gone out of our way to do so.
Also Uranium 1 and other Obama era scandles with Iran and Russia. Like the, "ill have more flexibility after my election" remarks between Obama and Putin.
It almost feels like it is all coordinated. Like both sides are in on the game. They want a war to divide and rule I guess.
I didn't know that about Russia and NATO. That is very interesting.
There even was a NATO base in Russia near Ulianovsk town for servicing NATO jets from Afganistan. Russia began to buy Western military equipment from vehicles to different weaponry electronics like IR cameras and other stuff.
Why would Biden, Germany and others buy oil from Russia?
Germany was put on the needle of Russian resources just like Russia was put on the needle of being resource seller. Germany shutted down 3 of 6 nuclear power plants at 2021 and should shut down last 3 to the end of 2022, f.e. It was definitely planned and forced, to have a strong lever for further steps.
They want a war to divide and rule I guess.
Or to create a perfect reason for artificial shortages and worldwide famine needed for Great Reset.
Thats the perfect way to explain it.
I dont think Russia wants Ukraine as an actual territory. I believe Putin when he says hes removing NATO/West.
Im certain we are in Ukraine covertly, paying off politicans, investing in biolabs, etc.
However, Russia does the exact same thing to Ukraine. Putin probably wants Ukraine "independently" pro Russian. (Russian installed leardership.)
Ukrainians wanting protection from Russia is understandable.
However, NATO and the west can be just as nefarious.
What Russia does overtly, the West does covertly.
Its like, an impossible situation. I wish Ukraine could have its sovereignty and everyone agree to maintain it. That would the peace treaty right there. Ukraine is a very strategic position for both sides so that would be fair.
I believe that was actually the deal previously with the Belovezh Accords and both sides were breaking it secretly.
Elitist don't care. It is all so stupid. The answer is simple but everyone at the top is greedy.
Sorry to ramble about how I feel about it. Im glad to hear how you guys in the east feel. Im sorry this is going on on your lands and hurting your peoples. I apologize for our involvement in causing any of this.
No need to sorry or apologize, especially for the things you don't control, we are here to exchange information, opinions and feelings.
Your opinion is absolutely sane and weighted. Just few remarks:
There is 50/50 Ukrainian/Russian speaking people in Ukraine. From the beginning of independence Ukrainian government thoroughly drive a wedge between two parts of population. Both parts really prefer independence, but Ukrainian speaking part is for closer ties to the West, and Russian-speaking part is for closer ties to the Russia. Instead of wise using this bilinguality to build a strong balance and complete independency with good realtions and profits from both, West and Russia, Ukrainian government just ruined everything rising tensions between that parts. If Ukrainian government from the beginning approved Russian language as state one along with Ukrainian (it is a normal and common practice in the world, even for countries with 10/90 lingual ratio), there would have been no any Crimea separation, DPR/LPR and all that stuff. So, all that was done for purpose. It is hard to say will that separation progress to complete divorce of two parts of Ukraine or will be somehow fixed, but to understand the situation you have to have it in mind.
Also, there is another interesting nuance- two decades ago Russia wanted to join NATO, even special group named "Partnership for peace" was created to prepare that process. But that process was suddenly cut from both sides at the same moment. So, Russian government do not really see NATO as eternal enemy at all, just use it as a convenient reason to justify any shit.
Man, that is all interesting. It almost seems like you said. This was planned to happen. All of it. Even now.
Like a stage was set.
I didn't know that about Russia and NATO. That is very interesting.
Id like to also mention other oddities. Like, why would Russia would donate to the Clinton foundation during her election? (Like, an unusally large amount, after the Ukraine and G7 fiasco too)
Why work with US, as we speak, to close and Iran deal. (Such a bad deal too)
Why would Biden, Germany and others buy oil from Russia? Especially US, weve gone out of our way to do so.
Also Uranium 1 and other Obama era scandles with Iran and Russia. Like the, "ill have more flexibility after my election" remarks between Obama and Putin.
It almost feels like it is all coordinated. Like both sides are in on the game. They want a war to divide and rule I guess.
There even was a NATO base in Russia near Ulianovsk town for servicing NATO jets from Afganistan. Russia began to buy Western military equipment from vehicles to different weaponry electronics like IR cameras and other stuff.
Germany was put on the needle of Russian resources just like Russia was put on the needle of being resource seller. Germany shutted down 3 of 6 nuclear power plants at 2021 and should shut down last 3 to the end of 2022, f.e. It was definitely planned and forced, to have a strong lever for further steps.
Or to create a perfect reason for artificial shortages and worldwide famine needed for Great Reset.
Ahhh. That is very true. Thanks for the talk fren.