Not directly. Of course Rothschilds are in it, but that's not as direct and straight as with Yukos, where Rothschild personally was a co-owner. IDK why he was so obsessed with personally owning part of Russian oil industry that he didn't use multiple proxies and investment funds as usual, but that allowed to punch him in his nose.
I mean direct destruction of Rothschilds family members, their personal property and all that stuff. Turning their personal life into hell. Some actions against some assets that owned through endless proxies hardly a big problem or challenge, I think Rothschilds acquire and lose such assets routinely, 24/7. Their personal property is completely another thing.
You approach to the question of religion from the very strange side, like it is some boring history book. But it is not. Religion is not just a sequence of some events, it is more like physics, but for spiritual world.
And no, history of Russian Orthodox Church is not some fairy tales, it is all perfectly documented through millenia, not only in written documents, but as towns and cities. Unlike some others, we keep our history through times. There was an attempt to erase it since 1917, but it was stopped around 1935, when Stalin finally took full power and almost exterminated Kaganovich when he tried to implement a plan that included destruction of Red Square and famous Church of Vasily Blessed. Unfortunately, Jews already destroyed Church of Christ the Saviour in 1931 as many other churches. But it was eventually restored.
That thing about second cheek, and love of enemy - you seem to be completely blind or have malicious intent, if you can't see that through all our history. This in no way mean unlimited obedience or endless restraint. This is a method to properly separate wheat from the chaff, good from bad, God's from Statan's. And it works perfectly for millenias.
Jews was weighted and separated from normal people two millenia ago. By Jesus, using the same things you try to use as a counter-argument. :) Nobody will ever turn a next cheek, the more so back to them. But they still have a chance to abandon Satan and deeply and sincerely repent for all their crimes, starting from killing God, and up to the last men they cheated with usury.
As I said earlier in this thread, I don't care who and when wrote "Zion Elders Protocols". Much more important that they correctly describe reality. Same with Jesus and Orthodox Christianity. I don't really care about all that "doubts" multiple antichristian shills bring. It works, and works good for me and my people for millenia. And no any "doubts" could change that.
May be it was the first time when property illegally stolen by Rothschild during USSR fall was confiscated back. Unfortunately, after kicking Rotschilds with their interests from Russia, no more agressive steps against Rothschilds family and their assets abroad was done.
They run from USSR at any occasion. ( From Russia too - last big exodus was in 2022 :) ) Those, who had enough brain and will to not do usual Jewish things and abandon Jewish tribal habits, lived normal lives without much problems.
Then some come back in 1991, but start to run away again when loud Yukos criminal cases started.
Just an interesting fact - in Russian Empire, USSR and Russian Federation, jailmates jargon is in significant part stay Yddish.
Nobody knew about any holohoax on the territory of USSR until the fall of USSR, when Western propaganda reached exUSSR countries. Holohoax was purely Western-made myth. That's one of the reasons USSR was (and is) so much hated by the Western elites.
That is why Jurgen Graf , who unveiled all that holohoax lies long ago, got asylum in Belarus, Russia and Iran until criminal cases against him for "thought crimes" expired in 2018, not in some "free" Western country. Meanwhile, Belarussians had the largest civilian losses ratio in WWII, from hands of Germans, including in labour camps, much larger than Jews. And still German Jurgen Graf found that it is safer in Belarus, than anywhere in the West. Graf died in 2025, in Switzerland from cancer. Who knows, may be he could be alive if still stayed in Russia after cases against him in Switzerland expired in 2018.
That is why all that communist jews who was able to flee USSR before, during and after WWII and then hijacked West still telling their tales about awful USSR, tyrant Stalin and all that stuff and still hate Russia much more than Germany.
Because USSR never accounted Jews in any way special, just one of many etnicities not different from any other and judged them by their deeds, not by their etnicity. That's one of the our greatest "crime" they will never forget, along with extermination of Khazarian Kaganate, acceptance of Christianity or Pale of Settlement.
Thank you.
IIRC Protestantism appeared as an attempt to return to the source from what Catolic Church created in Europe. However, later Orthodox Protestantism was heavily influenced, changed and divided into several different parts and unfortunately cease to exist as a single community.
In Orthodox Christianity, Christ is a leader of the church and parishioners connect with Him directly through eucharistia.
IMHO same should be valid for other churches where Christ is a leader of the church and proper eucharistia exist. Closer the church to origins, better connection to Christ through eucharistia, closer the connection to Christ's True Church.
I'm not a theologist, so it is better to talk with a priest about that matters. If you are curious enough - it is perfectly fine to find an Orthodox Church and just talk with a priest about such matters. You don't need to be Orthidox to have a good talk. Do the same with Protestant pastor if this is apropriate for your confession.
So, if you found it all to be real and believable, then what proof, evidence, or anything to substantiate it do you have? What proof do you have that God incarnated on earth and human sacrificed itself to itself to fix the problem that was its plan to begin with? What's believable about a virgin birth? What proof or evidence do you have that God actually said any of the stuff attributed to it within the Biblical texts? What proof do you have that those books teach God's truth?
You are trying to argue from wrong side.
Even in science everything is based on the set of axioms or hypothesis. Then, you take a look at results. If a theory based on some axiom/hypothesis gives results and predictions that are in good match with reality, and no resilts contradict theory, then you could be sure that you choose right, true set of axioms/hypothesis.
Symbol of Faith is a set of axioms. And church based on that set of axioms show best possible results. It survived unchanged for millenia, it guides our people through all shit imaginable and it effectively prevented the degradation of our souls. If this works, then our set of axioms is true.
If what you stated is true, that good things don't need marketing. Then the mere existence of Christian missionaries would prove Christianity is not a good thing. That Christians force converted the Roman empire in 380 CE shows that it's not a good thing.
You still mix Catolics with Orthodox. Konstantine followed church created by Pavel. Orthodox Church was created by Andrey.
It's obvious that the same person did not write/dictate all of them.
It does not matter. F.e. it is not known if "Zion Elders Protocola" are real or not, and who is true author. But it absolutely does not matter, because they correctly describe everything Jewish cabal do. I don't care who wrote "Zion Elders Protocols", I care about if they are useful and match reality.
In John 2:13-22, the story of Jesus cleansing the temple is put at the beginning of an alleged ministry. In the Synoptic Gospels, the event is put at the end of the ministry.
I don't see any problems here. End of one ministry could be a beginning of a new one. God tried to save Jews from degradation and turning to Satan, but they rejected God's help. So it was pretty logical to destroy specific Jewish-only ministry that does not work and establish a new one for all people of the world.
And so on. You are trying to attack wrong things, just like Jews are trying to prove that "Zion Elders Protocols" are wrong attacking author, but not the content.
I'm perfectly fine with inconsistencies in New Testament, because exactly that make it real. If you ask several people to describe one event they all witnessed, you will get different stories with some unsignificant contradictions. It is perfectly normal and usual thing for humans, because all humans are different. This is exactly how real story told by several people would look like.
On the opposite, when all witnesses tell exactly same story up to the tiny and insignificant details, this is always a clear evidence of conspiracy.
The texts of the OT are to be interpreted symbolically
Old Testament is a combination of some early world history recorded by not very educated people combined with the history of endless Jewish crimes. The latter was the reason of God's last attempt to save that damned tribe from themselves, that described in New Testament, and that ended in Jewish attempt to kill God himself, but eventually turned into a priceless gift to the all people of the world.
You have a strange, verbalistic approach to the thing that is complete opposite of verbalism. You pay all attention to the letters, completely ignoring the essence.
So would you agree that Orthodox Christianity is based on circular reasoning then?
There is no any circular reasoning. Everything is based on Symbol of Faith.
How do you know it's closer to the source, or that there even is a source, if you haven't proven the source to begin with?
There is ancient texts. Translations used by Orthodox Churches are closer to the originals than those used by other churches.
Do you believe all the claims in that symbol of faith are true?
Yes.
Do you even care?
Yes.
Sounds like you aren't a part of Orthodox Christianity because you actually believe the tenets it's based on are true, but rather because you don't have an alternative to believe in and Orthodox is the most convenient for you to function in society given you're Russian. Is that accurate for you?
There are no any churches closer to the origins of Christianity than Orthodox Church.
Functioning of society in Russia does not depend on the religion of citizens. We have at least 3 major religions here - Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. So no any pressure or whatever from society. My parents and even grandparents wasn't religious (as in routine visiting church prayers at home and all that stuff). I was baptised at the age of 10 when my mother proposed, mostly from curiosity and just in case (yes, it was in that "scary godless communist USSR" you know nothing about). It was interesting, inspirational and I had a great talk with priest (about Trinity, Universe, free will and even aliens). Then, studing science lead me to the conclusion than not everything in Universe could be explained by science, and using my childhood expirience and some research, I just found Orthodox Christianity a best possible thing to follow, because it give a clue to everything unexplainable in a most straight and consistent way. Also, studying Bible (in ancient Russian), Lives of Saints, I found that this all is real and believable, not some fake sweetened stories (or on the opposite, fear porn) as in other confessions. And no any marketing like all that churches that flood Russia after the fall of USSR. Good things don't need marketing, if you are not aware. Nobody knock into my door or pester me on the streets to lure me into Orthodox Cristianity, unlike all other confessions and sects.
So why do you believe the Orthodox church is some kind of True Church?
It is not a question of faith. Faith is in Symbol of Faith. Everything else is just consequences of that. Orthodox Church is True Church just because math. It is a least square estimate from all Christian religions. Closest to the source.
This stuff your symbol of faith?
Yes, that's all.
You champion reason, logic, critical thinking, and knowing in everything except the core stuff your religion is based on?
Yes, because religion is necessary for things that fundamentally can't be explained by science. From all religions I prefer Orthodox Christianity for this,
You have to appeal to blind faith because you cannot prove the central tenets of your religion.
If central tenets of religion could be proved and replicated independently, then it is not a religion, but science.
There's no such religion called a totalitarian sect
Because it is not a religion, but criminal cabal disguised as "religion". They even can't be named "heretics", because it will be an offence for heretics.
And Jehovah's Witnesses are a part of the umbrella that is Christianity whether you like it or not
I don't care what this disgusting criminals declare. They are criminals in the first place. Theft and racket is incompatible with Christianity.
Interesting, that most dusgsting globalist organizations, mostly Jewish, like all that ECHR, Amnesty International, HRW and so on, agressively protected Jehovah's Witnesses when inevitable prosecutions started. Cried out loud protecting thieves, when states began to cut them access to their prey, confiscate and return property to rightful owners. This show that Jehovah's Witnesses are not only some totalitarian sect, but criminal organisation heavily backed by globalist filth.
Look at how corrupt the Orthodox church is (link to www.ecaglobal.org)
What do you expect from jewish antichristian organisation? And it is clearly jewish antichristian organisation, because they have 0 reports on corruption and child abuse in sinagogues.
Orthodox Church consist from regular men with all their sins and corruption. And as among regular men there inevitably will be some bad people from time to time. The difference is that priest will have much tougher judgement than regular men. Orthodox Church is not about "priests are saints and infallible" or "priests are ultimate examples for congregation", it is a mechanism to help people get most effective and full access to God's grace.
Protecting pedophiles.
Seems you absolutely don't know what eventually happens with pedophiles in Russia. There is almost zero chance to leave jail alive for them. Also accidents and all that stuff.
Your Church has killed people throughout history and force converted peopl
We have our famous warriors as Saints. Other Orthodox Churches too. Here is a photo of Greek Orthodox priest for you from Crete - http://www.plakias-kreta.de/wp-content/uploads/kloster-preveli-moench-statue.jpg . Enjoy.
Also that immortal slogan of Saint Alexander Nevsky - "Those who come to us with sword, will all die from sword", as a continuation of Christ one - " I have not come to bring peace, but a sword".
Historically we had to protect ourselves and our Church form numerous enemies from abroad, from Pope thugs and Khazar Jews to that Jehovah's Witnesses thieves you mentioned and other globalist filth. Don't be surprised when you find out that you will be met with weapons if you come to us with bad intentions. And our Orthodox Church with Christ and all His glory will be with us in that, as usual.
What else you don't know about Orthodox Christianity?
Do you realize how stupid it is to just go around blindly believing all the claims people make in life?
That is why there is a very limited list of things that should be believed - Symbol of Faith. Everything else Orthodox Christians have to study and know, not believe.
for no other reason than someone claimed it
This someone was Jesus himself, if you are not aware. :)
Thanks for admitting Orthodox Christians promote blind faith.
That's the point of any religion without exclusion. Blind faith.
Jehovah's Witnesses are a totalitarian sect
Absolutely. They zombify and force those who was fooled by them to transfer high valued property (cars, realty, land) to the top leaders of the sect. Then they use that assets and money to bribe law enforcement and officials to close eyes at their crimes and for attempts to infiltrate into power and critical jobs. There is tons of pure criminal cases (including murders) and undeniable proofs that Jehovah's Witnesses is a criminal totalitarian sect. They are banned in multiple countries all around the world. Disgusting filth.
Do you expect potential non-Christian converts to your religion to just accept your claim that Jesus is God on blind faith?
That's the point of faith. You are completely free to not accept that, but that's your choice.
You have heard of Christian groups like Jehovah's Witnesses
Jehovah's Witnesses are totalitarian sect, not Christians.
Prove Jesus was God
Jesus is God, and it is in Christian Symbol of Faith. It is not a question need to be proved for Christians.
I'm talking about your Jesus-God there. You're blatantly ignoring what I wrote to construct a straw-man argument against me.
Those who insist that Jesus is not God are not Christians. Highly probaly they are Jews. Muslims and others are much more delicate and wise to not do that in talks with Christians. And there is no any sense to argue about anything with a Jew.
You will know the tree by its fruits. Look around and choose the surroundig for yourself. Small tip. If you see any open LGBTXYZ shit around - that's definitely not the place where True Church prevail.
Back in 380 CE, your Church forced converted the people of the Roman empire to itself. Throughout its history, your Church has killed its religious opposition.
You don't even know history. Catholic church have nothing to do with Orthodox Church. They was even started by different apostoles in different places. Catholics and Orthodoxes communicated before the schism, but schism ended that finally.
You stated a Church cannot be created without apostolic succession, so where was the apostolic succession prior to Jesus
There was no apostoles before Jesus. Jesus, being God started it with His Apostoles. He don't need any apostoles to share His grace with Him.
But that's exactly what your Church is founded on.
It is a blatant lie. Russian Orthodox Church is one of direct descendants of Bizantine Church, which was founded by Apostole Andrey. Apostolic sucession of Russian Orthodox Church is perfectly documented right to Apostole Andrey. You could track any priest of Russian Orthodox Church, Old russian Orthodox Church and Russian Orthodox Church Abroad right to the hand of Apostole Andrey. Same with all other existing Orthodox Churches.
If you don't know such basic thing about Orthodox Church, then why did you started this topic in the first place?
You stated: "Apostolic sccession is necessary..."
Yes, it is necessary.
IDK, what example you could understand. In a car, alternator is a necessary part. But you still could drive a car without alternator for some time using battery. Same here.
Church could lose apostolic succession for multiple reasons, but if it will not be restored, this church will eventually degrade to what we see in Rome now. That does not mean that apostolic asuccession prevent degradation.
Car could have perfectly working alternator, but completely broken engine.
Church also have to had "alternator and a place for it" in the first place. You can't create a Church without apostolic succession. Since there is no any apostoles currently around, creation of a new Church is not possible.
Church is a car that could drive you to salvation, if you will use it according to original user manual. It is a long road, you have to fill tank, replace brake pads, fix broken parts and change tires, oil, brake fluid and so on. Only if you do all of that things, not ones you want, but all of them, you will be able to reach your destination far away. You will not be able to reach destination if you don't have alternator, or tires, or transmission, or engine. You will not able to reach destination if you don't dare to fix broken parts.
Hope this analogy is simple enough to get what is Church, and why old Orthodox car, being older than all other, newer shiny and comfortable ones, still running fine and with highest probability will reach its destination with as many passengers as would choose to join.
I didn't replied to you personally, just explained some obvious things that people don't know about.
You say apostolic succession is necessary ... You blatantly contradicted yourself.
It is just one of many components. You could have apostolic succession, but have absolutely nothing with Christianity. And on the opposite, even without apostolic succession you could still have True Church. Without apostolic succession you can't receive grace in full, which make much harder to keep your soul healthy.
Hence, why Christianity is a faith.
Faith have to be logical and provable inside itself. Otherwise it is not a faith it is a cult.
You have no any clue about Orthodox Church and how things really are. :)
First, they state that they are the one true church because they hold the line of Apostolic succession.
Apostolic sccession is necessary, but not "first" or even "most important". It is much better and many things are easier when you have it, but Orthodox Christianity have a special workflow exactly for situaltions when Apostolic saccession is lost for whatever reason.
There is many Orthodox Churches, if you are not aware, even here we have two. Both True. Add to this Greek, Serbian, Romanian, American, Alexandrian, Cyprus and so on. All that Churches accounted as equal True Christian churches by each other, being different with their own hierarchy.
Russian Orthodox Church had a schism half millenia ago, when patriarch decided to adjust some service details with Greek Orthodox Church. Old Russian Orthodox Church that didn't accept this changes lost Apostolic succession few centuries later. However it was still accounted as True Church, all things like baptism, euharistia, weddings, burials of Old Orthodox was accepted by Orthodox mainstream. Later, Apostolic succession of Old Orthodox was restored by mainstream Russian Orthodoxy, and now Russian Old Orthodox Church have full Apostolic succession again.
The Orthodox claims the rightful line of Apostolic succession because they have not apostatized. And because the other churches have apostatized, they are not the True Church.
Great Schism started a massive process of creation of apostatic Churches. Rome decided that it have a right to change Christianity on its will, as they needed. Up to inventing Pope and declaring his speech as God's one.
But how do we know that those other churches have apostatized and not the Orthodox Church?
Orthodox Church is just mathematically least square estimate to the original Christ teachings. That's all. We use original Old and New Testament texts word-to-word translated into ancient Russian millenia ago, which is still used even for all services, and all pre Great schism things agreed on at World Councils are unchanged. This is much more important than even Apostolic succession.
He works only in their lives, and gives them the truth by experience.
You have no idea of what Orthodox Christianity is about and what we believe in.
Well, in short Christianity is a user manual for your soul given to you by Christ. Just like with user manual for your vacuum cleaner given to you by manufacturer, if you began to change existing parts of it or invent new ones, then your vacuum cleaner will work in ineffective way, could break completely or even cause a disaster in your house. If you invent your own user manual for your vacuum cleaner, then manufacturer can't guarantee your vacuum cleaner efficiency and ability to work as promised. No warranty repairs, no spare parts and so on. Further your version of user manual (Christianity) from original manufacturer (God) edition, less efficiency your soul have, up to complete malfunctioning or even destruction.
You could easily observe exactly that by yourself all over the world. Countries with prevalent Orthodox Christianity are much less poisoned with all that satanic perversions like LGBTXYZ idiocy, money (Mammona) worshipping, arrogance, ignorance, greed and so on. And even more important thing is a Christian population attitude to all that shit. If an average Christian accept 100500 genders in his country, think he have a right to judge and preach other nations or doesn't account stock gambling as something dirty - then his Church is definitely far from True one.
Original user manual objectively works much better than any other "customized" version.
Nah I dont believe its as "safe" as were led to believe.
In any case whatever one you want to believe, not watching TV or not using mobile will change absolutely nothing about exposure to the radiowaves. So, using supposed harm from radiowaves as an argunment to agitate people to stop watching TV is senseless. TV does not radiate anything comparable to the level of TV station, so it does not matter if it is turned on or turned off. Using wrong/bad/senseless/false argument does not help to promote any good idea.
Not watching TV or listening to the radio is a must.
Having a perfectly good oint along with completely senseless arguments doesn't help to get people on your side.
Not watching TV or listening to the radio is a good advise not because of some "microwaves", but because of propaganda and lies. Latter is more than enough to divert aurience from consuming MSM crap. You don't need to invent some fictional arguments to support your claim.
Humans, for whatever reason, are protected from EM radiation extremely well. This is an awesome mistery by itself, and worth a separate discussion, but none of modern component of today RF spectra around us could do any noticeable harm to humans. The only way for human to harm yourself with RF today is to put a head into a 1000W microwave oven, or clibm into a dish of airport radar. Overall RF environment is orders of magnitude below the threshold of natural human protection. Frequency and energy of RF linked proportionally. Higher the frequency, higher the energy. At the same time, frequency and depth of penetration into human body linked in reverse - higher the frequency, lower the penetration. So long waves easily pass through us, but have too little energey to do anything, and microwaves with high energy have too high frequency to penetrate through our skin.
Using fear porn in attempt to propagandise some good point is either idiocy, either bad intention. First, fear porn does not work in long term. Second, when it eventually stop working, it completely destroy not only credibility of one who used this fear porn, but also the good point itself. And often it is irreversible.
The only thing they could do with unalienable assets is to pay you or cheat you to to not to obtain them. That's all. They can't do anything else.
And since many people fall to that shit, value of unalienable assets of those who didn't fall to that shit and obtained them, grew a lot.
Those goblins are not insightful or clever. They are even not resourceful, really. All their resources are alienable and not their own. Most of their resources is in a form of their own instrument - money of all kind, from paper/digital stocks and currency to shit they name "modern art".
Guess a way to ruin them.
I find it interesting, that you associate "wealth" only with some inherently alienable assets.
However, f.e. a practical skill could be much more valuable asset than anything you name "wealth", but it is fundamentally inaliable.
You can't confiscate a skill, talent, creativity, faith or other inalienable assets that form wealth together with alienable ones. And you can't limit "wealth" in a whole only to alienable assets.
So, different rothschilds' plans are fundamentally vulnerable. If unalienable assets value will become higher than a value of any alienable assets, rothschilds will fail.
Since interpretations of any *ism are political thing there is no any sense to take them into account, just like any pre-election promises of any politician. And like with politicians, you have to take in account only real implementations.
Meanwhile even Soviet implementation of socialism was far from Soviet interpretation of socialism.
Your imterpretation looks more like a variant of national-communism that was never implmented (yet?), so it is talk about nothing.
As lived through socialism, I brought some corrections. :)
Socialism means no rights for Jews,
Jews had exact same rights as others. This made them mad much more than pogroms.
no rights for Freemasons,
There was no Freemasons in USSR, so it is hard to tell.
no rights for Faggots,
Faggots got hospitalisation in psychiatric clinic or jailtime if denied medical treatment or allow their perversion somehow extend to other people.
If a faggot had enough brain and will to never expose his perversion and never even think about implementing his perversion in reality - nobody cared about such faggot. He was completely free to live his life like any other citizen.
no rights for Whores,
Punishment for paid prostitution was administrative fine, IIRC. Whores and sluts existed by itself, but not as many and as public as now. They had same rights as others, but their behaviour was not welcomed.
no rights for Criminals.
Something like that. And USSR had death sentence for severe crimes. From the other side, some things that are legal today was a crime then.
Socialism means equality.
There was no equality. Wealth depended on the job, skills and education. There was huge disbalance in salaries, salaries could differ more than 10 times, f.e. between agriculture and mining, despite being almost equally labor intensive. Skills and education made salary higher, even for exactly same labour.
But there was equal opportunities. Basic education (IDK, something like level of high school in US) was free for all without any limitations. Higher education, and skill training was free for everyone who was able to pass entrance examination to the corresponding university or tech scondary school.
There are no rich and no poor people in Socialism.
Not at the modern scale and meaning. There was rich and poor, say level of life of janitor's and professor's families was clearly different.
Everyone should only have as much as they need.
No. There was a punisment for not having a job. Only disabled and pensioners got their pensions doing nothing. All was forced to have a job. However any, even most easy job salary covered basic needs - you will not starve to death if you have a job, it was guaranteed.
Education and medicine was free for all.
No more, no less.
It is always funny to read all that myths about socialism from people who know about it only from the products of Jewish MSM.
It was both, and in addition also jews often tried accustom people around their settlement to drinking using poor quality alcohol, not even as a business but in order to eventually get hands on their property, something similar was attempted by them through Brits in China at much larger scale using opium.
And all that jewish behaviour have deep roots in their religion. Russian Empire at the time had many etnicities with different religions and different ways of life, but only those who practicise Judaism produced that many problems around.
Of course, Pale of Settlement wasn't best solution, but at least it noticeably delayed many negative processes that already happened inside many Western states.