What Really Happened In The Past?
It is a broad, but fascinating topic for our round table this time. In this hectic time of change, with major new conspiracies regularly being unearthed, we should be reminded of, and appreciate, those who tried to preserve an accurate telling of past events in the face of cover-ups, white-washes, propaganda and blatant ignorance.
Many things in history did not happen as we are told in state education and main stream sources. What example do you have? Which topic do you find most intriguing?
Thanks to everyone who made a suggestion and voted and to u/Gottmituns for the winning suggestion.
The Smithsonian covering up the existence of red haired "giants" in North America.
Could they be the sea people's too?
Related to this, there was an explorer who went out into the Grand Canyon and allegedly found remnants of ancient civilizations.
Notice the peculiar names used for most of the Grand Canyon sites, if you look on Google Maps/Earth.
Wouldn't mind taking an uncensored trip to the Vatican Secret Archives, as well.
sauce please
Here's a book on it: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Ancient-Giants-Who-Ruled-America/Richard-J-Dewhurst/9781591431718
Disclaimer: I am not the author.
https://youtu.be/IfOZg3X_GmA
Just a quick 10 min video. A good start
this basically demonstrates that Europeans were the first to move to America not “native” americans.
I'm starting to think everything before about 500 years ago is completely fabricated/heavily altered.
200-500 years ago is where I'm struggling. Seems like something really big happened, and uncovering this "thing" would explain a TON about what's going on today.
I'll admit I rolled my eyes a bit when mud flood/tartaria content started to explode on /r/con about 5 or so years ago. Now I'm listening.
500? Rookie numbers, gotta pump those down. I'd give it 130-150 years. Maybe even 250. At most 400. They lie about what is happening today and people believe the lies, it must have been so much easier with only a few newspapers and radio programs, or before when most weren't literate.
Phantom Time theory is proven with celestial eclipses. /r/cultrallayer is on the right track. The Roman Catholic Church controlled all reading and writing in Europe. They rewrote history from 1670-1710ish. The middle ages never happened, they added 1000 years. None of that 1000 years of history they added makes sense, or even adds up to 1000 years of history. Pompeii exploded in 1631. The Roman empire never fell, it changed its name. Wall Street stock exchange looks exactly like a Roman building in the front with the triangle on top of columns. The Bull symbology is all over the place. The statue of liberty is actually Apollo. It is also man in drag.
The supposed history of Columbus, Britain, and America doesn't make any sense. Supposedly the first permanent settle of the English at Jamestown happened over 100 years after land across the Atlantic was discovered. I've never believed that an island nation with a huge navy didn't start colonies, or the the first one was abandoned.
There is also the Worlds Fair theories, that the buildings already existed. That was a civilization in America before. There were stone buildings of Roman designs all across America. They claim most of the buildings were temporary, but they were so grand and elaborate for something temporary out of cheap materials.
I think there was a power change in the late 1800s. After the American civil war, a group discovered or took over something. There were train cars of redheaded children all across north america. Technology exploded so quickly in so many areas. Look at the navy ships during WW1. Somehow so many countries developed completely different looking and advanced ships in the 1900 decade, compare them ironclads or the first submarines.
Even the American Civil war is suspicious. As is the War of 1812, supposedly a tornado hit Washington DC and changed the war.
Just think about the Cold War. Supposedly the Soviets stopped trying to put a man on the moon despite being ahead most of the space race. During Pearl Harbor the American air craft carriers were out at sea. But also none of the Japanese planes targeted the massive fuel reserves at the navy base. I don't think any war in the past 100 years was unplanned by TPTB before hand.
If you really want to dive deep into Phantom Time and alternative history, look into The Greenland Theory. It combines phantom time with other theories, and explains a lot about Roman symbolism we have today, and the Greco-Roman-Egyptian-Babylonian power dynamic.
Excellent comment, thanks so much for contributing!
Yesthanks for the great comment. I have recently discovered a modification to the mudflood reset theory. Essentially that the old world was actually built by the holy roman civilization who spanned the world during the 1000 year reign of christ, at the wnd of which he took all the true christians up to heaven, and they left all this glorious architecture behind. And then it was revelation style carnage on earth, mudflood meteors etc etc wrath of god etc. so when that was over the people who were left over picked up the pieces, scrubbed the history, and repopulated the world. The secret societies protect this knowledge like the masons etc. most of us are descendents of the leftovers.
Tldr So basically its like white flight but for the whole world
Look up the Greenland Theory. It is similar to what you described.
Totally wrong bro. 1000 year reign & the stuff in revelations hasn’t happened yet. Please look more into it
Gonna have to justify your point if you want others to listen. If you don't want others to listen then you shouldn't bother commenting.
I've been in the conspiracy scene since 2009, with thousands of hours of research. I'd heard NOTHING of the Tartaria/Mud Flood theory until this year. Unless it's a Mandela Effect item, it's flat-earth style coordinated misdirection.
Its nonsense that appeals to schizos, shills and preteens.
I can see the argument for ancient advanced civilizations and cyclic history, but the people who want to claim that it happened in the last 1000 years are like the Pentacostals that think the dinosaurs lived with man and the earth is 2500 or so years old.
Go back to reddit you retarded faggot shill.
Lmao!
When someone tells you the earth is round you call them the retarded faggot shill!?
Bro, you can see the fucking curve of the earth plain as fucking day! Go watch the next lunar eclipse. The edge of earth's shadow as it moves across the moon is... OMG! Curved!!!
I know some retards have some cutesy contrived bullshit to retcon how seasons and day/night work, but the simple fact of the lunar eclipse blows them the fuck out completely.
Weak bait troll shill.
I suppose it should not surprise me that someone gullible or foolish enough to buy into FE bullshit can only respond with name calling upon being presented with evidence he has not seen any CIA contrived infographic refutation or explanation for!
Because I spend time on /pol also, I have seem the idiotic "models" (pictures and gifs with no math whatsoever) that they push to fool you. None of those can explain this most obviously real and observable phenomenon. So you have no recourse but to call me names and accuse me of being the shill.
We always talk about waking up from the lies, bro, wake the fuck up.
Have you ever done genealogical research? Not ancestry dot com bull, but actual paper trail? Because your comment makes me wonder if you think that tons of random people for random reasons just made up dozens of names to write in their family bibles and such? This doesn't make sense when put against plain evidence... if we were talking about something going down in the 600-800's then maybe, but a few hundred years ago has written ephemera made by normal people.
I'm not who you replied to but I just googled the phantom time theory. The original claim is that it only spans 297 years(AD 614-911). I believe this is earlier than all of the genealogical records you're talking about.
I want to mention that I know nothing about this theory or these claims. I just learned about them in this thread so I am by no means knowledgeable on it.
There are absolutely genealogical records of that time period, particularly from the Byzantine Empire
There obviously are records of most European nobility, and of course China has records... but the Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire would be the source for voluminous ones of more than just royal lineages. Romans loved recording minutia and it would be rather inconceivable to fabricate that quantity of recorded history.
The concept of "phantom time" comes from not understanding the "dark ages" in Western Europe. There was still the rest of the world going on and the monastic culture was still traveling to and from and communicating with Greece and Byzantium. Maybe we are off a few months to a year or two, not more.
The “dark ages” and the “last ice age” is the big con. Which excuse is used depends on whether they have to explain gaps in written records from beforehand. Essentially the geopolitical rebalance that occurs after this and continues through the formation of states is the “rewriting”. Your timeline 200-500 lines up with this period of partial narrative reconstruction.
What was covered up is very difficult due to the “soy meat” strategy of disclosing partial truths alongside misinformation. I try to look at the tangible evidence. We have maps of tartary, trade routes, evidence of ancient Asian trade in the new world, red haired giants discovered across the globe, etc.
I forgot to mention in my long post about Michigan copper found in the Mediterranean, and giant piles of sea shells in Caribbean, and more recently LIDAR found massive cities in the jungles of Guatemala of the mayans and more in the Amazon basin of who knows what. There is physical proof in many places that they lie about history.
You bring up a good point that often gets over looked. Metal alloys are clear evidence of intelligent design that would survive some extreme events
Bronze Age America - https://www.amazon.com/Bronze-Age-America-Barry-Fell/dp/0316277711
theory about nordics trading into michigan for copper.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYRAmtDzQomhXkwbXgVoZPN4HjopE2j8m
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw
The sun is on a cycle. I feel as if a disaster happened that some of our usual suspects used to capitalize on, and subvert our true history
why do you think this?
A shit ton of research on our falsified history. Read the other comments ITT. Check out Jon Levi on YT.
We are the Flintstones ...
Hey Axo, long time I guess since reddit. Anyway, 500 years ago, the Renaissance was in full swing across Europe, so that is a pretty big thing. It clearly had massive effects on today by way of the enlightenment, but I think you should shoot more about 400 years ago for the more "occulted" events you are alluding to. The formation of the Rothschild empire and the first Stock Exchange in London... Sometimes with these "hidden history" topics, it seems people want to substitute woowoo explanations when plain old human greed and evil pretty much covers it. Not even trying to be a debunker, its more of a "keep it simple stupid" when pondering these things: is there a potential for an amoral person to make massive profit? That is usually enough.
I'm pretty convinced ancient Egyptians stumbled across the Pyramid culture and squatted on their stuff, and then claimed it as their own. Even within parts of their own history ancient Egyptians said they weren't there first, and they documented a huge chunk of their own pre-history in the Turin King List, which dates occupation of Egypt back 36,000 years (or so).
I think modern, post-Rosetta stone, Egyptians have tied a lot of their self-identity to being "THE FIRST" civilization. This idea is fundamental to how they view themselves, and they have even found ways to reconcile this belief within their views of Islam. It's super important to Egyptians that they were first, because frankly they haven't offered anything else of value to the planet since Rome stopped giving a shit about their wheat crops.
So, I believe shit-bags like Zawi Hawas and other like minded individuals in Egyptology have been actively suppressing information which may indicate that another older civilization, who were distinctly not-Egyptian, built most of the massive monuments in the Nile Valley.
If you look at many of the monuments, hieroglyphs appear to either be engraved in a manner way more shitty than the monument was built, or they simply added a plaster outer casing to the monument and added their writing on top.
Egyptians weren't afraid to erase elements of their own history, as we have seen with how they treated Akhenaten/Amenhotep and Nefertiti.
To go a little further with this idea, I'm also convinced that any culture that might have built the pyramids likely also inhabited a huge chunk of what is now the Sahara desert. Post flood, the region was lush with wildlife and greenery and remained this way from about 8,500 BC to 5,500 BC. Around 4,000 BC the Egyptians document their first Dynastic pharos.
Personally, I think 50'-100' below the sand across the entire Sahara region we might find evidence of a super-culture who might have lived on the banks and rivers of what is now called Mega Lake Chad. I think it might have been these people who developed quickly following the 9,500 BC flood event and spread across North Africa, eventually building settlements in what is modern day Egypt and any evidence Egyptians may have found has been quickly squirreled away.
On the upside, if I am right, there is a lot of desert to be excavated that isn't under control of the Department of Egyptian Antiquities.
Oh... and then there is Doggerland. But that's another long winded post I don't feel like writing about right now, lol.
TLDR; I think Egyptians are squatters in mega structures built by a culture who previously lived in an area of the Sahara now covered by sand.
You'll love this then: The revelation of the pyramids https://youtu.be/2fS9ixfQ_no
Went to watch it, and turns out I already did. Sad times. Thanks for the link nonetheless!
Saved to watch later!
Hope you enjoy
Watch Mystery of the Sphinx.
The work of John Anthony West and Robert Schoch is fantastic. Citing the undeniable water erosion on the sphinx from thousands of years of precipitation, this dates the sphinx to being made AT LEAST 10,000 years ago, at the end of the last ice age.
I have Origins of the Sphinx by Schoch and Bauval which is a good read. The newest version also gives a lot of detail on how much of a whack job Hawas is.
Here is a personal theory that gybes with what you posted:
I agree with a lot of what you said.
However I had to look up Doggerland because I hadn't heard of it. The first thing I thought of is that it looks exactly like the map of middle earth from lord of the rings. Do you know if Tolkien based the map on Doggerland?
I don't believe this means Tolkiens writings are real by any means but it seems like a very big coincidence that a fictional mythology of England looks exactly like Doggerland.
Check out the Oera Linda Book which claims to be a book written by people who may have inhabited areas of Doggerland in European pre-history (2000bc or earlier).
Its provenance is a little Sketchy, by there is compelling evidence that at least parts of the book might have been written in the 1200's.
Thank you I will check it out
There is a summerian king's list that goes back over 240,000 years.
Pearl Harbor. I feel like it needs to be said because it’s 12/6 and it doesn’t get a lot of attention. We knew about it beforehand. A lot of our capital ships that were scheduled to have been docked there were out on patrol. The staff were pulled from the harbor. The radar signatures were dismissed. And all of the sudden we were at war despite popular objection to the idea a few weeks prior.
List some books that you DO use to learn about history please. Like, what books would you use to teach your kids the truth? I'm at a real loss as to how I'd go about that with youngsters. Older, highschool-aged kids can read books on their own and understand better but for young kids? What's the point of teaching them currently accepted "history" if it's all fabricated..
Caroll Quigley - Tragedy and Hope. <- although that's for advanced readers.
I just want to throw out some links for any one new or interested in this stuff.
https://youtube.com/user/818encino
Robert Sepehr - covers anthropology, mostly Aryian in nature but lots of gnostic and estoertic stuff
https://youtube.com/c/newearthancienthistory
New Earth - has a series that goes from start to finish. Well researched
https://youtube.com/channel/UC5vXBfxN7rxKeJHJxS8dNDw
Jon Levi - just looks at pictures and talks about them. Great for just using your eyes and thinking
https://youtube.com/c/cfapps7865
Charles Appleton - sadly passed in October and doesn't talk specifically about subverted history. But covered ancient megalithic sites you probably have never seen
https://youtube.com/user/HuntersHdt
Terry Carter - north American treasure hunter. Again doesn't go into this stuff specifically but details giants, Roman and Egyptian artifacts in North america
Chinese explorers reached the west coast of the America’s, travelled inland, reached the Grand Canyon, and left evidence on their way.
Estimated to have been around the 1500s, so we’ll before Lewis and Clark
The true origins of Europeans?
The mainstream Aryan Invasion Theory/Aryan Migration Theory. It posits that Steppe people are the original culture which gave rise to the Indo-European cultures (everything in the region from India up to Scandinavia) and their languages. They are said to have spoken a hypothesized language called "Proto Indo European", a language for which no proof can be found of its existence. The reason is there are too many similarities between these languages and cultures to have developed independently.
The only other possibility is the Out of India theory: That Indo European cultures and languages emerged from India. Some of the primary reasons for this are:
The oldest known Indo European language is Sanskrit and the oldest texts of Sanskrit are the Vedas (composed over a long time, rather than at once). They contain exclusive references to India. They specifically claim the homeland of the Aryas (not Aryans, but Aryas meaning "follower of the Vedas") is the land between rivers Saraswati and Drishadwati, and there are no references to Central Asia (there should be if their homeland were outside India).
The field of Indology has been dominated by Christian-Caucasian scholars, who have strived to give a late dating to the civilization in India, many times in contradiction to events mentioned in the texts. This is necessary because there is only evidence (including genetic) of migration into India from 1500 BCE onwards, thus if Sanskrit and Vedas are older, then they were indigenous. Also fits into the Christian narrative of a Young Earth (4004 BCE), although not so much of an issue today as it was in the 1800s. If you date as per actual events mentioned, then for example, the Vedas contain references to a mighty Saraswati river draining into the Arabian Sea (which started shrinking from 4000 BCE), the Sivalik horse which went extinct 10-11k years ago at the end of the last ice age etc.
Here is the entire argument: https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-full-out-of-india-case-in-short.html
Some more of the current research: https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1169890023581184002
Just to raise the questions as I have not dug in.
The bronze age before the iron age. An alloy before a natural element.
And the Ta Prohm dinosaur.
This dino carving is great, never saw it before. I read an article speculating that some dinosaurs survived into modern human times based on it. I have another theory. "Modern" Humans were actually around during dino times. There is actually evidence to support this in the fossil record; in the form of bones, stone tools and foot prints that are convincingly aged to times dinosaurs roamed the earth. Most scientists and archeologists, if they ever come across this evidence, simply refuse to acknowledge what it means, or they misrepresent it. There's an entire long book dedicated to such anomalous fossil record evidence "forbidden archeology". There's a pdf link in the book list
That book list is awesome!
You gotta check out the “dinosaur gravity problem” basically that they would not be able to survive on earth based on their body mass size based on current gravity. Worth a look up
This planet used to be located between Mars and Jupiter and it was called Tiamat then. That’s when the large creatures thrived. Once Nibiru passed through the solar system one of its moons struck Tiamat and knocked it inwards to its current 3rd rock from sun position. The moon was captured either that pass or the next one. Or as some have speculated it was placed here.
Awesome, thanks for the link. I love the "out of place, out of time" stuff.
The Michael Cremo book is ace for this, I was fortunate to meet him after a talk and have him sign a copy a year or two before the scamdemic. It is quite an epic read though so set some time aside!
That book list is awesome!
Are dinosaurs real? Or were they fabricated to push a specific narrative? I suppose there’s no way for us to know conclusively, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.
I have heard that white europeans are the true Israelites, and the "Jews" are either Larping Khazars or Edomites or are of a cursed tribe of Israel.
Both larping Khazars (Ashkenazi) and Edomites (Sephardic)
The truest tail round bout the passed is the won that explanes the whole of time. Time beyond is indeterminate both forward AND backward. What happened is this: whole consciousness was broken by chronological intruders who chose temporal empowerment over eternal truth. Global hereditary rulety was established in an attempt to maintain that empowerment but it's inherit instability results in a constant struggle against resurgence of the whole consciousness. The resurgence has been strong in the recent course of events and therefore the chronologically challenged LEFT is in danger of displacement by the eternal RIGHT. The multiplicitous passed occurrences are only real in decreasing partiality with respect to their increasing proximity from the current worldline convergence. All spelling intentional. Source? Sink? One blink. THINK!
The whole Roman history, like Julius Ceasar, the emperors like Nero, Caligula, Vespasian, Constantin etc. is fake. Latin was invented in the middle ages and is the common language of the Roman Church. See Fomenko, read about Scaliger etc.
How Fake Is Roman Antiquity?
As a historian you have to be like a police investigator. Do not believe your first impression, be doubtful, be like Sherlock Holmes not like Dr. Watson.
When it comes to books, as for example the Annals from Tacitus, which your link above refers to, it is astounding how they came alledegly from being lost in antiquity to be refound, translated (from a dead language) and published 1000 years later. Usually, the refound "original" gets lost again, but the copies survive. How convenient for forgery!
It is always amusing that when you speak to a leftist about US history, and bring up wars, Vietnam was about colonialism, The Gulf Wars were about oil, WW1 was about expansionism, etc... EXCEPT THE CIVIL WAR!!!
No, that war was not about economic power balances, expansion of centralized Federal power over the states or ANYTHING like that... it was ONLY about freeing the slaves and anyone who says different is a racist.
Just something that brings a chuckle.
Official history also says we cracked their code that early - but we can’t completely trust official history.
I’m sure it was the latter (evil). It’s the same story we see repeated today - false flag operations to plunge us into war.
Dan Carlin does a good job covering the Asia theater. But now I question everything I learned about it. I’m sure oil was a factor, but how deep were globalist hands in the situation?
The Holocaust of WW2
The Dorchester Vase
1967 Attack on the USA USS Liberty by Israel
I don't believe published translations of hieroglyphics. I think there's a language written in/on the pyramids in Africa and South America that they would rather you not decipher.
If you've ever played the whispering party game Telephone, then you already know that history couldn't be what they say it is. Everything distorts over time.
The "New Chronology" by Fomenko is very very good.
Here's the first of 24 eps - in Russian with English subs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvvpB6FpH98
This is based on a book, which you can find along with all 24 DVDs on concen.org, a great site if you don't know about it already. Subs for most but not all eps are there.
They've used scientific principles to sort a lot of historical errors out. It's really worth watching the whole lot if that's interesting to you.
Some highlights:
The pyramids were build around 1000 years ago.
The pyramids are a primitive form of concrete.
Both these illuminating facts are literally written in hieroglyphics.
Ancient Rome, Jesus, a bunch of that stuff, was also 600-1000 years ago
Apparently Ptolemy made some observations of the moon around 50AD-100AD.
NASA looked at the observations and found they did not match current observations of the moon.
Our moon observations would place Ptolemy around 1000 years ago.
NASA's theory is that the moon shifted orbits, because the AD dates can't possibly be wrong.
I cannot fathom how completely stupid someone has to be to come up with that theory.
Towards the end, the series gets into the idea of Moscow being the ancient Babylon. I don't know; maybe they are using their ideas to push a Russian agenda. But their logic early on is so solid.
Pre-Adamic Men?
Ancient Alien migrations?
There is a woman who has a WWW site at which she has collected old history books, in an attempt to circumvent modern bias. Unfortunately I don't remember where that is.
Carolyn Yeager?
No, and I don't see an old book collection there. It may be a site worth knowing though.
The site I was thinking of was not a WW2 theme.
She's a researcher who keeps up to date with the latest developments in holocaust revisionism - https://jan27.org/ is her website