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posted ago by 575guy ago by 575guy +22 / -1

So I’ve been looking into this for a few weeks. It’s hard to to explore the globe earth theory as all debunkers are jack asses who responses are basically if you don’t know physics you’re a retard and I can’t help you lol. My conclusion so far is NASA is definitely lying about shit and in reality it seems like their is a lot of people who will never be convinced of a globe unless they can see a curve for them selves. Honestly why do globe defenders get so bent out of shape if it’s such a stupid thing to think the earth is flat. If I was arguing with an idiot I wouldn’t even entertain them. What is the purpose of people pushing flat earth. Flat earthers definitely give a reason to why globe theory is pushed so hard. I would like see some level headed debunkers that can actually explain to a normal person why flat earth is wrong and answers to their questions. I find plenty of explanation for flat earth that answers alot of what global theory people say debunk flat earth.

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Izaritos 16 points ago +16 / -0

I believe one reason people get so defensive when you question the globe is that if the globe is a lie then you can assume everything that comes out of it is also a lie. Normal people don't want to think that everything they were told is a lie because then that changes how the world works and most people are not ready to question what they believe to be a most fundamental fact of life. So someone who looks into and starts to believe in Flat Earth and can explain, in simple terms why they believe it, will get shot down by most people. And those very people who shoot down your inquiries also get very, very mad that you dare question what they know to be true.

I've been looking into the Flat Earth Theory as well, you get to a point where you have to question everything you are told, otherwise nothing you've known growing up makes sense if you question only one aspect of it. NASA lies, but why are they lying? To win the space race?(Back in the 60's-70's). Or something else? No one can know for sure, so you just start looking into everything. I find it all very interesting.

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575guy [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

That sounds logical a few years ago I would have never even entertained the thought. However with all the media manipulation and online censorship really got me thinking about what are they hiding. Then it came to me while I was driving if they can lie about 9/11, the election, anything surrounding Obama such as his affiliations with Farrakhan and now Biden why would I believe anything they say. I started watching some pastors on YouTube and wondered why I wouldn’t get any suggestion that are similar. I actually got suggestions for videos that “debunk” the Bible like really wtf. Anything else I search on YouTube I get a shit load of similar suggestion but not for Christianity. So I typed in flat earth just to see and everything was debunking or just mocking. I had to search on other sites to even get anything that was serious

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Izaritos 9 points ago +9 / -0

Exactly.

I had been looking into the moon landings and NASA in general when I decided to look into Flat Earth specifically. It was a "what more is there to look into pertaining to their lies?" and the rabbit hole is deep, as they all are.

Fake moon landings explain a whole lot about why no space agency has gone back, as well as all the excuses they keep coming up with. Then you have to ask yourself why are they lying about all that? If they made it before they should have been able to do it again. Radiation belts or no. Because not knowing about something when you pass by it doesn't mean you should have come out the other end unscathed by their own reasoning. If anyone gives themselves even a minute to contemplate what NASA claims the holes becomes really noticeable that they are covering something up.

I'll get ridiculed if I decide to bring up the topic but that doesn't stop me from exploring it.

Youtube's algorithm is designed to bury anything explaining something like the Bible or Flat Earth in favor of having 'debunking' videos up there. A normal persons thought process will be to watch the videos debunking the 'crazy' theories first . This satisfies the person and they are happy knowing that their beliefs are iron clad (in their mind anyway).

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Izaritos 4 points ago +4 / -0

EWAR makes fantastic videos. I've watched both series twice so far and each time gets me thinking a whole lot, there will be another re-watch in the future. The Lost History is especially interesting since I tend to look at things through a historical perspective. Waiting for his next project as well.

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Izaritos 3 points ago +3 / -0

I need to look into the Star Forts more, they are too numerous to be coincidental. Don't know where to start, but I'll figure it out.

I really found it interesting when he got into the water aspect of it all. Living water and all that. I generally believe that we're missing something our ancestors got so things like living water and frequencies and how they effect us always catch my attention.

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575guy [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I enjoy documentaries so I can definitely watch these. Thanks for the links

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Afks 3 points ago +3 / -0

watch "200 proofs the earth is not a spinning ball" by eric dubay

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XvAwLc7FZm2z/

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Afks 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've been looking into FE for a year now, eventually got there from other conspiracies and it may actually have been one of Ewaranon's older videos "What on earth happened" or something like that

I saw the more recent one of his, LHOE, linked, which I didn't find as good but still entertaining

No one can properly defend globe because it can't be defended. the globe earth of 25,000 miles in circumference at the equator is disproven using simple trigonometry to calculate the slope of the earth over a given distance

The formula is good; we can verify that the formula to calculate curve of a sphere along its surface. But it does not check out when applied to distances on earth.

Many examples of this, among a ton of other proofs, in that 200 proofs video

Happy travels and hmu with any questions, if you like

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WindyJibbz 3 points ago +3 / -0

Why are they lying? Simple, to gauge the IQ of the servants. Ensure that they are not capable of outsmarting you.

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DrinktheCovfefe 11 points ago +11 / -0

The only reason I looked into Flat Earth was because everyone kept saying how stupid it's believers were and I wanted to have a laugh. I'll entertain anything. If the theory was as ludicrous as the haters claimed, it's proposals would be easily dismissed. But I kept finding the criticisms valid, such as the absence of measurable and observable curvature, how combustion occurs in a vacuum vs how it supposedly works in space, satellites, the moon...

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VicariousJambi 8 points ago +8 / -0

I've been pretty big into most conspiracy theories since '15, but sometime last year I thought to myself "whats a rabbit hole I haven't jumped down yet?" and I looked into flat earth quite a bit.

I'm not sure if its flat disc or whatever, but I live on the coast and can definitely see more than I should, more clearly than I should if it were just "light refraction" like some try to claim. I know we're being lied to about where we are at least.

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575guy [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

I don’t trust the government at all they could do a lot stuff to put this whole thing to rest but they don’t. I thought the earth could be a whole lot bigger than they claim as well but could never really find anything To confirm it

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MOCKxTHExCROSS 5 points ago +5 / -0

Do they have any explanation for satellites beyond "fake"?

Seems a lot harder to fake an entire industry, complete with tech like GPS, than to fake a couple big events like moon landings.

Personally, find Antarctica interesting. Lots of high profile visits recently. And the treaty preventing travel past 60th parallel is just weird.

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575guy [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

From what I can find they say that nasa uses helium balloons like weather balloons to keep them in the sky. Then they back up the claim with pictures of fallen satellite with balloons attached and they also claim NASA is the biggest purchaser of helium. GPS takes use of cell phone towers to triangulate your position.

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Questionable 3 points ago +4 / -1

Which leads me to a rather obvious Question. What is the purpose of bright lights on satellites?

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AceOfTrumps 7 points ago +7 / -0

So planes can see them

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Questionable 2 points ago +3 / -1

Just so we are clear, so planes traveling at 12 thousand feet can see the satellites traveling at 12 thousand miles?

I feel a bit woozie now. Maybe I should have a seat.

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AceOfTrumps 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sorry, you said satellites, I was talking cell towers. Idk about satellites, but you can see the international space station from the ground

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Questionable 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you often times feel you are holding two meanings for one word in your head? As though you are living in a dream like state? As though words are no longer definable?

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AceOfTrumps 1 point ago +1 / -0

OP comment you replied to was talking cell towers

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AceOfTrumps 1 point ago +1 / -0

OP comment you replied to was talking cell towers

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AceOfTrumps 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lot of smaller planes and helicopters fly a lot lower than 12k ft lol

In certain areas you'll see giant red or yellow balls strung out on power lines for the same reason & those are significantly lower than cell towers

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WindyJibbz 4 points ago +4 / -0

NASA is the world’s largest consumer of helium.

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coverage2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just watch Eric Dubays 6 hour doc on it, its still on youtube.

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Hamiltonranch 2 points ago +2 / -0

If the earth is flat where's the edge?

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575guy [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Antarctica

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clemaneuverers 2 points ago +6 / -4

The idea that the earth was flat was spread by the Phoneticians who were masters of the Oceans and world trade. In fact they invented the lie, they knew it earth was "round", a "globe" (more like a massive boulder I reckon), but they spread the idea to maintain their upper-hand at world trade. It worked for a long time.

Flat earth has reared again lately in the internet age because all sorts of truths are available to people now, so to discredit truth seekers, flat earth is pushed as "the ultimate" conspiracy - by the CIA or whoever - in the hopes that people take it on and completely discredit themselves and truth seeking research in general.

There was a clear moment some years ago (a few years after 9/11) when all of a sudden flat earth videos started popping up en masse on youtube, with popular "flat earth influencers" gaining a following and bringing people on board, and therefore distracting them from looking into other conspiracies, like 9/11, since they were on the track of the "ultimate conspiracy".

Even here when you talk about anything remotely left-of-field, you will be lumped immediately, by some, into "flat earth" category. That's what it's really about these days. Cultivating that reaction to dismiss anyone open minded enough to consider fringe theories as a "flat earther". In a sense, it's a bit like a more sophisticated version of the push of the "conspiracy theorist" label after the JFK assassination. A focused effort of conditioning.

NASA alters and fakes photos of Earth. This doesn't mean they are hiding a flat earth. They are hiding many things: that they cannot put a person in space, for example, say to take a picture of earth from far away. Or maybe they are hiding the fact that cameras don't work in space, since their whole reputation rests on that lie that regular film negative cameras work perfectly in space and on the moon.

It's also possible they fake photos of earth as part of the flat earth psyop, to encourage open minded people into becoming flat earthers by offering them carrots and low hanging fruit.

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Allas8 7 points ago +7 / -0

Owning a P-900 makes you a CIA member now? If not then you could get yourself one and watch as boats disappear over large bodys of water as much as you like, draw whatever conclusion based on your own research, actually think for yourself for once, instead of standing there with your mouth open waiting for someone put food in it.

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575guy [S] 0 points ago +2 / -2

This seems plausible and thanks for taking the time to respond with something that actually sounds rational.

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EUssr 1 point ago +2 / -1

NASA is definitely crooked. I just don't see why anyone would give a flying fuck about the shape of the earth. It's one of the most inconsequential things to lie about.

Flat earth, to me, seems far more like a planted conspiracy theory to discredit and distract from all the real conspiracies.

Honestly why do globe defenders get so bent out of shape if it’s such a stupid thing to think the earth is flat.

Because career academics, aka pseudoscientists, are disproportionately of the indoctrinated, emotional, impulsive, illogical, irrational kind.

Many flat earthers fall into the same category.

We live in truly marvelous times. Anyone who gives a shit can spend a few hundred bucks on some balloons and all types of lenses to get some footage themselves.

That would invalidate or validate any claims about "fisheye lenses" and only leave extremely esoteric arguments as possible explanations as to why one or the other is true while the other appears to be.

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Dualkalibur 0 points ago +1 / -1

A point to consider. If earth is flat and not rotating then why would naval gunnery require rotation of the earth for calculating their shots? Hitting a target is pretty important to those guys, considering if the enemy hits you and hits you more before you can hit them, you die and they don’t. It’s honestly really important to shoot and hit something with a 16 inch shell that weighs over 2000 pounds and does significant barrel wear each shot. There was no space race or nasa or optics to consider like today when these calculations were being used to hit the target in 1944. If these corrections aren’t required then adding them would lead to a larger number of misses, where as including them leads to actually hitting the target. Unless flat earth theory has an explanation as for why adding globe earth math into weapon trajectory calculations to make them more accurate, I have to side with the globe model. Plus every other celestial body being spherical when it reaches a large enough size adds more credence. Sphere moon. Sphere sun. Sphere planets in our solar system.

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FortheGenerations 3 points ago +3 / -0

Please send a link to any official gunnery table documents making this claim of accounting for the rotation of the earth, otherwise I will claim this to be untrue as I have looked into this and found no such evidence. Thank you

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Dualkalibur -1 points ago +1 / -2

https://www.mathscinotes.com/2017/12/earths-curvature-and-battleship-gunnery/

This page gives a good breakdown on the math and redoing the tables. He includes his sources and provides his math. You’re welcome.

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Dualkalibur -1 points ago +1 / -2

https://eugeneleeslover.com/USN-GUNS-AND-RANGE-TABLES/OP-770-1.html

Navy Department Bureau of Ordnance Bureau of Ordnance Circular Letter No. F8-43 Date: 2 September 1943 Subject: Range Ballistic Corrections due to rotation and curvature of the earth—method of handling

Fifth scan down on the page given.

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FortheGenerations 2 points ago +2 / -0

Eugeneleeslover.com ? Lmao I'm not clicking that or trusting that source. Nice try though

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Dualkalibur 1 point ago +1 / -0

I listed the page as the source for the scanned material you asked for. I also gave you the bureau of ordnance letter number itself as well as the date. You are free of course to request the document officially yourself or search for a scan of it on a website you do trust.

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FortheGenerations 2 points ago +2 / -0

Was a shit source let's just be honest here. Am looking for the archived version but not finding any for that date with the corresponding letter number. If this is the only one out there and it's only available by some request or by using eugeneleeslover.com..... give me a break. It should be archived somewhere, or literally there should be a dozen or more other documents with similar or different explanations. This should be a widely available standardized instructions used in many applications, however it is not.

Now we're sitting here and you're referencing a document we can only find on a fringe unofficial website.

Nonetheless even if it did exist here, that is no proof it is practiced or applicable, there's no proof this is used, and actually there is too much proof that it is not used.

Snipers take everything into account, however they do not account for which direction they are facing because the Earth's rotation will affect them..

The Coriolis effect is the most ridiculous "proof" of spin, mainly because it does not exist, if it did, you should be able to test and prove this in an endless amount of experiments, however you can't.

Even if a ordnance letter number suggests it, this does not prove it is practiced. If it did, you should be able to prove this yourself with any apparatus thrown or shot into the air.

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Dualkalibur 1 point ago +1 / -0

CORIOLIS FORCE

In classical mechanics, an inertial force described by the 19th-century French engineer-mathematician Gustave-Gaspard Coriolis in 1835. Coriolis showed that, if the ordinary Newtonian laws of motion of bodies are to be used in a rotating frame of reference, an inertial force acting to the right of the direction of body motion for counterclockwise rotation of the reference frame or to the left for clockwise rotation--must be included in the equations of motion.

The effect of the coriolis force is an apparent deflection of the path of an object that moves within a rotating coordinate system. The object does not actually deviate from its path, but it appears to do so because of the motion of the coordinate system. The Coriolis effect is most apparent in the path of an object moving longitudinally. On the Earth an object that moves along a north-south path, or longitudinal line, will undergo apparent deflection to the right in the Northern Hemisphere and to the left in the Southern Hemisphere. There are two reasons for this phenomenon: first, the Earth rotates eastward; and second, the tangential velocity of a point on the Earth is a function of latitude (the velocity is essentially zero at the poles and it attains a maximum value at the Equator). Thus, if a cannon were fired northward from a point on the Equator, the projectile would land to the east of its due north path. This variation would occur because the projectile was moving eastward faster at the Equator than was its target farther north. Similarly, if the weapon were fired toward the Equator from the North Pole, the projectile would again land to the right of its true path. In this case, the target area would have moved eastward before the shell reached it because of its greater eastward velocity. An exactly similar displacement occurs if the projectile is fired in any direction.

The Coriolis deflection is therefore related to the motion of the object, the motion of the Earth, and the latitude.

The Coriolis effect has great significance in astrophysics and stellar dynamics, in which it is a controlling factor in the directions of rotation of sunspots, It is also significant in the earth sciences, especially meteorology, physical geology, and oceanography, in that the Earth is a rotating frame of reference, and motions over the surface of the Earth are subject to acceleration from the force indicated. Thus, the Coriolis force figures prominently in studies of the dynamics of the atmosphere, in which it affects prevailing winds and the rotation of storms, and in the hydrosphere, in which it affects the rotation of the oceanic currents. It is also an important consideration in ballistics, particularly in the launching and orbiting of space vehicles. In modern physics, application of a quantity analogous to Coriolis force appears in electrodynamics wherever instantaneous voltages generated in rotating electrical machinery must be calculated relative to the moving reference frame: this compensation is called the Christoffel voltage.

To;dr start firing high velocity shells as described above and see the effect for yourself. On a perfectly calm day with no wind to cause a vector, your shell will still not land in a perfect straight line away from you due to the earths rotation. This is REALY shitty hill to die on man. You could just as easily say the flat earth rotates too and come up with some bullshit that math won’t work to explain. But instead you claim this “just doesn’t exist”.

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FortheGenerations 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're grasping at straws and literally have shown nothing despite all of your typing. I'm 100% open to proof if you have some actual proof.

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FortheGenerations 1 point ago +1 / -0

You go test it if you can't figure it out that's your problem.

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Dualkalibur 0 points ago +1 / -1

Your argument from authority falls flat. You wont respect my page that simply hosts scanned images of the official documents because you won’t even go to it, your words. You won’t accept official pages either, anything from .gov or nasa is not an official source to you because you call them all liars. I can’t give you an official government web page or you’ll poo-poo it, I can’t give you a “fringe” website (unbelievable that a conspiracy website user doesn’t think smaller lesser known sites can hold any useful information) or else you’ll poo-poo it cause it’s not official enough. You will ONLY believe any official or unofficial info that agrees with your bias. Simply claiming “nah they don’t actually use it” is bullshit. You have no first hand knowledge of artillery or naval gunnery, you searching for 3 seconds and not seeing exactly what you want isn’t proof of anything either. Take the time, look at Russian, USA, German, British, French, take your pic of any naval power you wish and look at their charts for naval gunnery and you can find the tables they use for shot adjustment. Naval gunnery and sea battles is quite an interesting topic, it shouldn’t even be that boring to poke into.

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FortheGenerations 2 points ago +2 / -0

You're the one making the argument without any proof. Go test it, easy. Super easy to test. Test it with a baseball. It's nonsense.

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Gaunt 1 point ago +3 / -2

This is absolutely true, and one of the most damning facts against the flat earth nonsense. Even as far back as the first world war, every artilleryman on both sides was being taught to calculate for both curvature and rotation of the earth in their math in order to hit targets.

While we are talking about military evidence, there is also the damning proof of radar: radar has an exceptionally long range limited only by the power you pump into the set, but cannot see over the curvature of the earth.

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FortheGenerations 2 points ago +2 / -0

The original LORAN navigation system used radio pulses and could triangulate your position over 1500 miles. Radar also can work over 100 miles from a ship, way beyond the curvature.

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575guy [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting I haven’t heard of that I’ll have to check that out

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Dualkalibur 0 points ago +1 / -1

Long range sniper shots laying on the dirt require the same math. If you’re firing at something far enough away to set world records you’ll need to understand trigonometry. Factoring for wind, your speed, enemy speed and bearing, if you’re shooting east to west or west to east, all this shit matters if you actually wanna hit the thing you’re shooting at. This is something I recommend testing and having fun with lol. Of course I support all responsible adults having firearm proficiency and impeccable accuracy. Shooting at a burglar and hitting the neighbours dog ain’t exactly helping.

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FortheGenerations 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Coriolis effect only applies to the spin of the bullet, not the spin of the earth as claimed.. I have not seen this statement in any military sniping manuals and I have a few of them.