Ah, the classics.
There are so many ways to approach this one, but at the end of the day it is all a red herring predicated upon a widely educated mistake.
The horizon does not curve at any altitude, because the horizon is not a physical location but an optical illusion. It is the limit of our vision, and presents as a perfectly flat horizontal line that surrounds us 360 degrees. The apparent curve seen in videos/pictures like this is always due to distortion (though the lens itself is only one source).
Because it is not (as we are mistaught) the “edge of the world”, it does not pertain to the shape of it - regardless of what that shape is. It’s as silly as saying that rainbows prove the curved shape of the world (or dome), and for very similar reasons.
The earth and its shape are down here! There is no sense (or science) in trying to get further away from it in order to measure that shape! That literally makes the shape harder to measure and science requires measurement (empiricism) not merely looking! There is very good reason for this - because what we see is often not what is. In the words of obi wan, “Your eyes can deceive you; don’t trust them”.
It’s all red herring and distraction. It’s something you have to get beyond if you want to earnestly penetrate the subject.
Never happened.
You do it incessantly. As is said, lying to yourself (or anyone else) only harms you and your ability to be honest at all - ever.
You most often write the made up quotes to respond to in your comments. You almost never actually quote what the person you are “speaking” with said. You should try doing that though, it will help you.
Didn’t happen
If you would like me to quote you explicitly and link to it, just let me know! I’d be happy to oblige if it would help you.
You’re not fooling anyone
That’s true, you’re not. I am not seeking to. But thanks for demonstrating my initial point again (i.e. you fabricate things to respond to instead of quote what was actually said)
Thanks for admitting the earth isn’t flat
Assuming you are not a bot, which i hope less and less is the case as i interact with you, lrn2read.
truth is arbitrary
Why do you say such stupid, untrue, and ridiculous things? Try responding to what I say, not what the voices in your head tell you; those, you should ignore.
[makes up bullshit no one said]
Yes, you do that frequently. You should stop.
I just repeated your position. If you don’t like it, change your position! Pretending it isn’t what you think and said, is foolish and self harming.
[acts surprised when someone calls out his strawman]
For the love of god, please finally lookup the word strawman.
All i did was repeat your position. There is no sense in lying to yourself about it. You admit that people expressing or even considering “verboten”/forbidden/heretical views should be immediately banned/silenced. A run of the mill religious zealot.
Earth not flat
Does repeating this mantra help you?
The world is whatever shape it is, despite your unshakable faith and droning mantras.
If your mantra was wrong (considering you have been wrong many times before and will be many times again) would you want to know that?
You paid shill
Yes, yes - everyone who has differing views to you is automatically a shill and justifies your ad hominem, calls to suicide, and arbitrary dismissal. How dreadfully convenient :(.
Spam not allowed
On this, we are agreed.
It doesn't sound wild
Imagine/consider it was true. You don’t think that would be wild?! I certainly did!
it sounds lacking in foundation
And you may continue to flatly presume that, or you could potentially ask a question or two / address the content in a substantive way.
and contrary to observations and reality
It is contrary to belief as to what causes those observations, but not the observations themselves.
You have been very straightforward, which i appreciate, that you are not interested in learning about the subject in any way - but you did ask a valid and reasonable question which in my estimation deserved an earnest response.
Of course, my response may differ greatly from the op’s, and it is certainly not nearly detailed enough to justify/support itself (that would be quite the feat in a sentence or two) alone - but it does have support if you are ever interested in exploring it further!
Physics bit is more complicated.
Obfuscation by feigned abstruseness.
The “physics” (astrophysics, in point of fact) i am criticizing is not particularly complicated. It’s just intractable, wrong, and fictional.
"what goes up must come down" is correct
I’m glad you recognize that. Many don’t, and mistakenly conflate the law of gravity with the theory of gravitation. My criticisms are towards the latter, not the former.
but you simply not understand this: ... Gravity is "a string" keeping it from running.
I understand centripetal force just fine. I know that you imagine (and were taught) gravitation as a string that is attached in some mysterious and persistently unknown way to bodies at a distance - but i am saying that is entirely fictional, and was its clear historical origin as well.
Gravity well
Right, that’s relativistic fiction. There is no spacetime to warp, whatsoever.
Because orbit is, and was from its historical inception, fictional (As wild as i know that sounds/is). Roughly, it is because of the law of gravity - what goes up, must come down.
Balloon is likely not the only way to keep them aloft, at least hypothetically, but it is the most reasonable/likely considering that orbit does not exist (and the early history of satellites).
Are you ever going to lookup the word strawman? You just won’t stop misusing it :( Perhaps if you knew what it meant, you would stop.
You literally believe that certain views are forbidden/“verboten”, and anyone that has them should be banned. It isn’t a strawman, it is your own explicit admission.
Thanks for admitting the Earth isn’t flat.
Lol. Lrn2read.
spam is forbidden here.
Certainly that can’t be - you’d be permabanned. Your reflexive and pathological belligerence is only hurting you brother or sister (assuming you are human at all).
Lol.
“Anyone who questions my inerrant and godly truth/dogma is a heretic and must be burnt at the stake!”
Don’t be such a religious zealot if you can help it. if your views can only be protected by such censorship, then your views are weak.
The Earth isn’t flat.
Perhaps. But if you were wrong, would you want to know it? I sure would!
There is no shame in being wrong. You (and i) are wrong about LOTS of stuff - probably more than we are right about. It was always so, and will likely always be.
if you can’t do 5th grade mathematics.
This has nothing to do with mathematics. If the world is flat, mathematics remain unchanged - obviously!
Your belligerence and inability/unwillingness to discuss/research differing views is sure to keep you stagnant and ignorant :( I urge you to reconsider - regardless of what the shape of the earth is.
Most “normies” will run away at the mention of anything on your list (in the first or second panels). Does that prove that there is no reality/merit to studying them?
you are arguing that it does, perhaps inadvertently. you are arguing against this community and the reasons for it.
reality is stranger than fiction because fiction is obliged to possibilities. the average person has been conditioned not to consider or spend time researching/discussing topics that do not fit in their current worldview.
subjects “verboten” to study by our “authorities” are likely the ones most valuable... don’t you agree?
I concluded the same. It took the “scamdemic” for me to figure it out though :(
I ahould have recognized obvious (and common) anti-irish propaganda when i saw it. She was a media scapegoat, probably for some parasite that entered (was introduced to) the food or water supply.
Conpro may have some thoughts on this one too.
There have been geocentric models since bce times.
True, but geocentric and geospheric are not necessarily one and the same.
Triangulation determines the location of fixed points on the earth, which is quite accurate.
No one is doubting the usefulness of triangulation.
Why would people use sextants if they didn't work?
Sextants work, but they don’t depend on a spherical earth the way you believe. In fact, if the world is flat - they obviously work just fine on a flat world.
That would be wild if true. I was unable to find any in a quick search, but have little (to no) doubt that such footage exists.
By default, weather balloon instrumentation (including cameras) are pointed down at the air they are studying/measuring.
I did find this : https://digitalcommons.cwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1047&context=undergradproj describing a university of washington weather balloon describing the slot for the downward facing camera.
will also incorporate a second camera that sits at the bottom of the box and points downward to photograph the terrain and atmosphere below
still, none of you have ever tried, you always rely on shitty horizon shots
I expect many people have sent up balloons with the cameras facing downwards. God knows there is a heck of a lot more to see in that direction than there is towards the horizon. But you would only ever get a shot of the ground.
I, personally, am not a flat earther and do not rely on any shots of anything (horizon from any altitude included) to determine the shape of the world.
You are underestimating the size of the world, as well as the maximum height of balloons (filled with gas anyway)
Debunking is exclusively for and by fools. Earnest students prefer diligent/rigorous research instead.
Furthermore, there is no flat earth model and looking at the sun in the sky (the literal opposite direction) to determine the shape of the earth is both unscientific and powerful dumb.
flat earth is a psyop
True.
to force people away from independent thinking by marking us lunatics
That’s just a fringe benefit, because the psyop has been so successful. The real purpose of the flat earth psyop is to suppress the subject because it is valuable. That’s why they call it a “conspiracy theory” when it isn’t, as they do with countless other topics discussed here.
no flat earther has EVER put a downwards looking camera on a balloon to show the shape of the planet...
And how would a downward facing camera show the shape of the entire planet hanging from a balloon? It would only show the local topography, and would appear like all the other high altitude arial photos do - largely flat, regardless of the shape of the entire world.
Agreed!
Your mistake [prejudice] is in assuming all people with an interest in the subject are automatically shills :(
Google is already using the CIA flat-earth psyop as justification to shut down YouTube content.
Exactly why we can’t allow such censorship here.
The flat earth psyop is for the purpose of suppressing and discrediting the subject and its researchers. This is why the content that is left on youtube is remarkably against flat earth - that is the purpose of the flat earth psyop.
NAY
There is a dedicated community on this website for Flat Earth [FE] stuff:
https://scored.co/c/flatearthresearch/new
Thanks for the plug! Obviously I am biased, but i think it is important to have such a dedicated place - especially for in-depth discussions on the topic.
There is no need for FE here on conspiracies IMO
I generally agree, because the shape of the earth and determining it for yourself have nothing to do with conspiracy.
However, the reason i voted nay despite that is because the subject (like so many others discussed here) is falsely labeled/conflated with “conspiracy”/“conspiracy theory” to suppress and discredit it.
They are time wasters and trolls who reject logical and reasonable rebuttal of their assertions. If someone disproves their idea they say it's lies and fakery without justification or evidence.
I agree wholeheartedly that the (intentional!) time wasters and trolls are tiresome/annoying and don’t deserve to participate here. However, the earnest flat earth researchers (and many of the gullible “flat earthers”) are largely not that way and do not treat people disrespectfully like you describe. It would be a great shame, if they were painted with the same brush - guilty by default for the actions of others.
I sincerely hope that you do not let “democracy” make this community worse and increase censorship to the detriment of all. It is your decision, but i think you can achieve your goals by banning the users who do not participate earnestly and with respect for others without resorting to banning topics arbitrarily.
On the other hand, i am of the opinion that flatearthresearch is the more appropriate place for such discussions anyway, and i would hate for legitimate interest in the subject to harm any community.
This is a misunderstanding. Other isotopes are used in such “estimates” [guesses] as to the earth’s supposed (and dogmatically taught) age.
This video is wrong about the cause of setting and rising (occultation by/with the horizon)
Although perspective and angular resolution certainly play a role in the optical illusion, the chief cause of setting/rising is the density gradient in our air which tends to cause light from distant sources to curve convexly towards the surface.
If it were “all perspective” as it is popularly advertised by the flat earth psyop, then the sun (and boats etc.) would appear to shrink to a dot and then disappear. This is essentially a strawman that would-be-flat-earth-researchers are intended to swallow and repeat so that their opponents (the flat earth psyop) can make them look stupid when they repeat the false claim.
To anyone interested in this subject (for, against, neutral), please join us to exchange perspectives on flatearthresearch!
Space is fake and gay.
True.
Low earth orbit is all they've got.
If that were true, they wouldn’t need the balloons!
It makes far less sense to discuss the state of belief of one thing or another when actual evidence reveals crimes in progress
Crimes are always in progress. It doesn’t negate the importance of learning.
without question the focus should be on the matters of importance.
I agree, and as i said - IF the world is flat, researching that (and how and why we have been so wrong for so long) is certainly a matter of importance.
If it isn’t important, why did you post this article at all?
I agree that the footage of a flat horizon, from any altitude, is not “proof” or even particularly compelling evidence for the shape of the entire world.
However, it is good evidence that we were mistaught about what the horizon is and that, supposedly, because it appears to curve at some increasingly (literally, since this myth began to be spread, the altitude required to supposedly see it always increases with public ability to verify/refute it) unattainable altitude - that proves the world is spherical. Both “proofs” are bunk, and for similar reasons.