Can't even tell if this is a troll or legitimate, lol
Ok, but there are also videos of the earth as viewed from space, and it's a globe.
So which video is correct and which is fake? It's hardly compelling.
Here's the irony, and the best argument for banning FE: Flat Earthers are incapable of questioning.
If you notice, they never ask. It's always statements of fact: "globe earth is impossible because x", "no one has pictures from space", "the moon landing is fake" etc.
On top of this, they will never admit evidence against their viewpoint. Anytime you refute a point, the response is either "you don't understand FE" or "you worship the government".
Usually I don't like to generalize an entire group, but in this case it's appropriate because, if it weren't, they wouldn't beleive FE. FE can be disproven in about a million different ways, and has been. There's obviously stuff like flight plans, observed angles of the sun at different places, pictures from high altitudes (as low as tops of buildings) but even if all that is controlled by the globe earth conspirators, it's refuted by basic physics and even geometry.
They're here solely to push an agenda, for whatever reason. They add nothing to the debate except links to videos that use predictable tricks and logical phallacies to persuade, rather than convince.
No one here is accepting anything said by government blindly, that's a red herring. What's happening is that FEers are denying anything said by government blindly, then trying to justify it after the fact.
This isn't the act of rebellion they think it is, all this does is muddies the waters.
The disease did exist; they created it.
There's a whole DARPA report about it (they were supervising the Wuhan lab, btw, above EcoHealth).
The were doing gain of function in order to prevent future pandemics (lol). Covid was a bat coronavirus that was modified to infect humans. Their plan was to vaccinate bat populations against the "novel" virus but they couldn't well inject each bat so they developed and aerosol vaccine. What escaped the lab was an unattenuated test version of said vaccine.
That's why everyone tried to downplay covid at first (remember when it was "racist" to talk about banning travel from China?); they hadn't come up with a plan because they didn't actually mean to release it (yet). Once they all got together and hashed things out, via the WHO, suddenly there was a global panic, all at the same time, in March 2020.
How do you think the vax was developed so quickly? Even skipping every safety trial, it takes years just to develop a vaccine, not to mention a vaccine using novel mRNA technology. They already had it; they just needed an injectable form.
So, I'm not a scientist, and I don't know what "monoclonal antibodies" are, but isn't any antibody that was effective early on (against the alpha strain) useless now? Alpha was basically extinct two years ago, why would the old antibodies work, even assuming all other aspect of our scientific understanding are correct?
This is exactly was the jabs don't work, and never would have; Covid mutates quickly.
SexyCyborg 2015: I'm making glow-boobs for the club
SexyCyborg 2023: Let's derail some trains, bitches! Helter skelter!
At this point, even if someone were to be held accountable for something, I would assume it was a coverup for some other, bigger, more horrible thing.
Y'know the main thing I learned during Covid?
Studies are bullshit.
Data gathering is sloppy, they usually can't be reproduced, and they can be spun to mean anything.
Show me year over year death rates in active FIFA players, broken out by cause and what they were doing when they died, I can draw my own conclusions.
She had two congenital heart defects and, when she finally suffered an event, she didn't even realize it for something like 10 hours.
Not comparable to people in perfect health suddenly dropping dead.
Clear forum sliding:
Comparing them to pedophiles was so over the top that I couldn't believe what I was reading.
Seeing how many supporters for censorship are here was also dismaying.
felt like reddit, remember a story about reddit
As if any action occurs as a result of these forums. This place is 99% entertainment and socializing on conspiracy theories.
Last one is the worst. "Hey goys, you'll never make a difference anyway so don't take anything serious, loljk"
This place and NNN was where I got most of my info re: the Covid conspiracy; which is actively being fought on multiple fronts. This is serious shit with huge implications and we can actually expose and do something about it if we focus. But hey, let's bury it in shitposts and lolcows...
I'm not for censorship, but if people like you want to fuck off, go for it. What not start c/randomshitimadeup? I'd join.
Real question: what is your solution to keep bad actors from flooding the forum with obviously ridiculous nonsense until it dies?
I struggle to give an example, given what we're talking about, but say someone puts forth the theory that "air is actually poisonous to humans and that's what's causing the recent excess deaths"? Then they spam the forum with unsourced, cherry picked examples ("people live longer at high altitudes", "100 yo man holds his breath 8 hours a day" "people live longer since deforestation started" etc). Pretty soon, anyone looking at real conspiracies (finding info and analysing it, which takes much longer than just making it up like I just did) are completely put off and go elsewhere while the forum is filled with low effort, history channel-esque memes.
I don't even mind that kind of stuff, per se, but it's not comparable to actual conspiracies that we have good evidence for but can't prove due to intentional obfuscation (like the Wuhan lab leak).
First off, I in no way support banning flat earth discussion; I think it's an important lesson for all conspiracy theorists in what happens when you lose your grip on reality and most people wouldn't believe it unless they saw it themselves.
That said, is it actually a conspiracy? Technically?
A conspiracy is clandestine, organized action by a small group against the general population.
For FE to be true, everyone would have to be in on it. We're not just talking Nasa or the entire field of astronomy. We're talking pilots, mountain climbers, high rise construction workers, physicists (going back hundreds of years), anyone who relies on anything more than grade 6 math, and anyone who claims to have seen the sun "set".
That's not a conspiracy, that's a troll of epic proportions.
What? Two hours of arguing and no one wants to touch this one, huh? Just want me to explain (again) why your various "refutations" of the globe model are invalid?
Ah well, enough fun for one night. Sleep well you loveable retards.
No...that's the default.
We don't know much about the deep ocean because it's hard to get to.
We know much more about the moon because we can see it with the naked eye.
We don't know hardly anything about the core of the earth, either. That's not a conspiracy; no one's stopping you from jumping into a volcano.
Ah yes, I point out the holes in your argument so I must worship the government, that checks out...
As for the ocean, yes, it curves. You "can't see it" because you are right beside it so it barely registers.
Here's a little experiment to try at home: take a tennis ball and a soccer ball.
Hold the tennis ball so that the top is level with your eye and about meter (3ft) away. Notice the curve?
Now do the same with the soccer ball. Notice the different curve? Does it seem more flat or more round than the smaller sphere?
Now do the same with the earth. It is larger than either ball by a ridiculous amount. Therefore, the curve you observe is more flat by a ridiculous amount. In fact, it appears so flat that some people can't tell the difference between the curve and a flat line.
But it's just matter of perspective. If you hold the soccer ball further away than the tennis ball, they appear to have the same curve. By the exact same token, if you get far enough away from the earth, it will also have the same curve.
Now, I'll admit that it's hard to get far enough away to see the curve of the earth, but that's not really relevant here. What is relevant is that I just offered a completely reasonable explanation of what you observed, using the globe model.
I didn't reference government data, potentially doctored photos, or even some random video. Nothing I said need be taken on faith (unless you want to argue the shape of sports balls). I'm not even (technically) relying on math that would need to be proven. I've given you a simple, falsifiable, experiment whose conclusion can be extended to predict something neither of us has directly observed (unless you've been to space). If you can show that the curve of the tennis ball appears flatter than (or the same as) the soccer ball at the same distance, I'll admit I can't explain your observation.
Otherwise, how about you admit that the globe model adequately explains your observation?
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But why would you bother with both added complexity as well as only seeing, at most, one side of the sphere? If you tried to do that you would need two separate maps if you wanted to go more than halfway around the planet.
Drawing the earth as a sphere, even though it is one, is needlessly complex for short distances and doesn't even work for long ones.
So that's your argument? People could needlessly complicate things to make perfect representations, but instead use simplified approximations, ergo: everything they say is a lie?
the sun is brighter when it is close to you (overhead) and less bright when it is far from you. Gradient.
No it isn't. If that were true, you could comfortably look directly at the sun without damage to your eyes as it "faded in" in the morning and "faded out" at night.
Try to google "sun fade out". You will see the gradient of the last bits of ligjt as the sun fades, refracted by elements and particles
Right, all video from nasa, independent researchers, amd everyone who disagrees with you is fake, but google can be trusted... Bit selective, no?
What is really cool is the view when the sun fades away. Like vanishes. It can be seen easily from a high elevation on a clear day, and using a zoom lense.
I work on roofs for a living. No it doesn't.
You will notice the last color to be seen is green, but only for a few seconds. That is because the frequency of that color is higher and thus can pentrate deeper it to the air. And we see that green gadient pass in this fade out.
Why green? Why not a higher frequency like purple? And why would it be red (low frequency) at sunset as it starts to fade? Shouldn't red be the first frequency to be cut off by the "fading"? Or do you see something totally different in that case as well?
Absolutely!
Like, if the sun is always 7000 miles above us, approximately following the equator then, according to basic trig, it should never descend below 15° from anywhere on earth (and much higher in most other places).
Since I can personally see it descend below 15° every single morning and evening, that model is obviously false.
Because tables are flat and it's a pain in the ass to file or mail globes?
Is that seriously your argument? Maps are flat, ergo earth is flat?
Oh, a FE enthusiast posting a sketchy youtube link instead of just explaining what they're talking about! Never seen that before!
I dunno, real conspiracies?
I'll miss 'em.
It's such a great litmus test for other theories. If someone espouses FE, I automatically know that they'll state, with certainty, ideas they don't understand and can't prove.
It's easy to get caught in the trap of wanting to believe something and accepting spurious evidence. It's good to see what that looks like at the extreme so we can recognize it in ourselves.
C'mon, brah, we all know there's, like, 5 of you, max.
Sorry, you think that every government on earth is conspiring to hide the shape of the planet from the plebs, but you're going to hide behind the Constitution? Brah, do you "worship the government" or something? Or do you just selectively pick and choose which rules we should follow, like a subversive?
How about gaslighting? What about people who explicitly try to make users doubt their own senses, in total bad faith? "The sun totally fades out, it doesn't set below the horizon, don't trust your eyes, look for the green flash". Bullshit.
I'm not for banning discussing FE, because people need to understand how fucking stupid it is.
But I'm absolutely for banning users who intentionally post fake shit with the intent to subvert the Truth.