If discussed, it is lowered to the level of discussion.
Correct, the word "Monad" is lower than the Monad. The word is sufficient for limited purposes but incomplete for perfect purposes. Only the Monad is complete in itself for its own perfect purposes, a reality we don't participate in, since all our experience is incomplete but sufficient.
Nevertheless, when discussed between two who see it in agreement, God says 'There Am I'.
Because it's sufficient, we can agree that "Monad" ("One"), and "True", and "God" are positive attributes that reflect this indescribable without describing it. When two seek meeting of minds, sufficiency of experience means sufficient agreement arises. Logically parsed, your statement says God affirms his being in discussion among two in agreement; so the surface sense doesn't say that much, although we might say it teaches another attribute, "Immanence". And you might want to say that God is "Agreement" itself.
None of this indicates any contradiction with developed Christian creed, which is why I'm mystified by your animus about it. It seems that you're affirming some core monistic concepts and you're denying some perversions of Christianity but that neither gets to a core that requires a parting of ways.
Last time Fideler was posted, I read it thoroughly and understood it sufficiently. I didn't feel a need to debunk much of it because so much was on the level I described here, symbolic connotations that appeal to minorities that need not be affirmed or denied by majorities who are unaware of the connotations.
I didn't say symbols have no effect, but a cross has no effect to a person who's never seen one. The cross, like any word, has effect because of cultural transmission of connotation in stable forms (languages), and that is just what symbols mean.
Anyway, you seem to have answered my other question without reference to Fideler, so Fideler must not be that important to the answer. I'll focus there instead.
What Jesus believed and taught is fundamentally different from what Christianity teaches us about Jesus.
So say many. All agree on following Jesus, then all diverge on what that means. The grammaticohistorical Jesus is the real Jesus, anything else is just imagination.
Jesus believed the kingdom of God is within us. Through generosity, through mercy, through good works, we can achieve salvation. Paul teaches it's belief in Jesus that matters. Only believe.
"The kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21): Yes, Jesus taught the kingdom within.
"Ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone" (Matt. 23:23): Yes, Jesus taught works.
"Thy faith hath saved thee" (Luke 7:50, 18:42): Jesus also taught faith.
"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" (Rom. 10:9): Yes, Paul taught faith.
"The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost" (Rom. 14:17): Paul also taught the kingdom within.
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phil. 2:12): Paul also taught works.
I guess I'm not seeing the dichotomy. There is a difficulty for those who think messages of faith and works are in contradiction, but classical theology resolved the tension between James and Paul long ago.
So all those Buddhists, all those Hindus, all those doists who are living compassionate lives, helping others, seek enlightenment, too bad. They're going to burn in hell forever because they don't believe the specific Christian doctrine that Paul is teaching.
That's not Paul, and Christians shouldn't teach it. Paul taught that they are judged innocent or guilty by the law found in their own hearts, Rom. 2:13-16, answering this exact objection in its original terms. Again, no dichotomy seen.
Jesus never said you have to believe in me specifically. He said follow the path.
Sorry, Dot: "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me" (John 14:1). Nothing about following paths or ways turns up, but "I am the way" (John 14:6) and "Follow me" (18 times, including John 21:19). See, those are history texts that people accept about what he actually taught and they speak for themselves, and when you use their language to say something else it invites a question as to what is meant. On structure, I'll repeat my findings:
Jesus says have deacons, Matt. 20:26, 23:11; the Twelve appointed servants with this function, Acts 6:1-6 (while Saul was still threatening murderously). The Eleven count themselves bishops and establish the appointment of new ones, Acts 1:20; Peter also affirms Jesus as bishop, 1 Peter 2:25. Jesus built a church, Matt. 16:18, 18:17; the apostles affirmed it, Acts 2:47, etc.; and Luke calls the structure plural churches of the brothers right at the time Saul gets saved, Acts 9:31; and John and Jesus confirm this plural structure repeatedly in Rev. 1-3 and 22. Procedure is fluid but I don't see a special difference between Paul being procedural and any others; the biggest procedure appears to be the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15, where Paul and many other church leaders all had equal standing. So I can be anti-institutionalism while still affirming that Jesus wanted a little free organic structure.
why does Paul get in trouble with the Jews?
Same reason Peter, John, and the rest got in trouble with "the Jews" before and after Paul's activity. Those Jews who didn't believe Jesus didn't believe any of his apostles.
Metaphorically speaking, the central message of Jesus is that wealth is wrong, business is wrong, hierarchy is wrong, organization and power structures are corruptions of spiritual truth. What matters is a direct experience of the divine spark in your own heart. Jesus explicitly rejected the idea that you need intermediaries, you don't need priests, you don't need institutions, you don't need buildings, the kingdom of God is within you, it's accessible directly.
Now you're getting to the meat! Some McDonald's locations sell sludge where the McDonalds had sold high-quality beef. And some blame could be laid on Kroc for that. But in this analogy, the blame falls much more on a long train of deviations from Jesus, historically documented in all 21 centuries since. Jesus on earth did appoint managers, he gave different offices to the apostles and also had many front men and sales workers to prepare some of his appearances. Paul says that his visions of Jesus were of the same kind and appeals to them as proof that Jesus did want him as a manager (not of an organization but of an organism, the living bride). The test of that vision is in what Paul did, and historically what he did was not problematic on the fronts you describe when compared to the Medicis, say, as the first example to come to mind.
So I've read it all but I don't see it as a difference between Jesus and the received Paul figure. I see it as a difference between Jesus and churchianity, from the popes on down. I'm all for constructive criticism of Christianity and restoration of the true historical Jesus, because it never lets me down and it explains exactly when and where I run with or against the institutional churches.
The gnostics were right if they said dividing God into three was polytheistic, but in those days there are several evidences that teachers knew the difference between tritheism and prototrinitarianism. Those tritheists who lurked were despised by Jew and Christian alike. The Jews wrote and recited the Birkat haMinim against these cultic tritheists (also ditheists) and other Judaizing sectarians, while the Christians ignored it because it didn't apply to them.
Also, no gnostics were murdered to my knowledge, you seem to be thinking of something else.
It's great to hear you contributed to M-theory and give some background. To the point at hand, if it's perspective that cognizes three, what happens when the One cognizes Himself? My answer is that He can cognize "Himself" as One, and He can also cognize "Himself Cognizing Himself" as Three (lover, love, beloved). One matter, two or three witnesses, is also the ancient rule. Therefore, we can cognize "God is not three" in your sense, but we need not contradict those who with different meaning are able to cognize "God is three".
"Christos" as used by Hebrew thinkers is exactly a translation of an ancient Hebrew term for the anointed ruler, used by David in 1000 BC without any Greek philosophy. It was never used for polytheism (except by the minor cults I allude to) and didn't connote or require any polytheism.
Nicea heard all the arguments and got 99% approval for its summary, with only three objectors who wouldn't budge, led by Arius. The minority's concerns were that what word by which we describe Jesus's "divine" nature as can only be a word that also applies to creation, because we have no word for the uncreated, only negations (a proper application of apophatic theology). This concern was not understood by the Niceans until much later, so the Arian churches continued to have gains in Western Europe for a couple centuries more because of calculated ambiguity on both sides.
Separately, the several Chalcedonian theology debates were closer to home and all the major wings retained their polities until in the 20th century they were all basically resolved semantically by agreement on essentials and liberty on understood frameworks of phrasing. I believe this is possible for those who continue Arian traditions today too. If you're interested in such a resolution, I'd suggest you first start by admitting the reality of what all the primitive Christians knew, the difference between polytheism and a monotheism that recognizes differences of cognition. Without making semantic adjustments for context your statement would not be read by trinitarians as truths or facts but as opinions and althist. The way to repair that breach is to speak honestly about what the prototrinitarians actually said, and the difference from what tritheists were separately accused of saying. Start with the fact that Paul was accused of polytheism for teaching "Jesus and Anastasia": that indicates what the true polytheists were actually teaching, by Paul being mistaken for one of them.
One thing about this Fabian cabal, they fail regularly but those who have sold their souls never give up. The prophecy of Revelation is that, exactly once, they will succeed in dominating the whole world and discomforting the righteous for just enough time to prove them all damnable forever. They continue to press on in the contradictory hope that they can not only advantage the prophecy but also outlast it. Covid being the most recent big example of the principle, every time they fail either middlingly or spectacularly. They don't care because they just sacrifice some of their scaffolding and keep building elsewhere, they love the destruction as much as the construction. Therefore all this imagination about datesetting is just as doomed as it has been the last 25 years or more, it will all fail, and the real Yahweh will reveal the real plan in real time without any changes and with total vindication of all he said before.
I'm not a datesetter, but I see things going very poorly in 2029 during the Israeli sabbatical year; I also see that being a significant deception and a full end-to-end test of the beast system, i.e. an attempt at complete domination that is known not to be final but experimental. Further, they will steal many ideas from Trump's rise to power (as Trump borrowed not a few ideas from Obama's doomed cabal attempt). That is not a prophecy but a guess. Right now we must live for God every day we have blessings and be prepared for the worst.
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"You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work."
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Which one is the Saturn death cult book? It's not 2,097 pages, is it? Okay, that was a slight indirect dig, but I know you can take it.
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But Paul insists that you need hierarchy and organization and structure to spread the message effectively. You need bishops and deacons and churches and formal procedures. So he's building churches all around the Roman Empire. He's creating an organizational structure. He's establishing protocols. This is not spiritual teaching. This is institution building.
Institutionalization took 300 years and has many contributors. But primitive Christianity had organic structure. Jesus says have deacons, Matt. 20:26, 23:11; the Twelve appointed servants with this function, Acts 6:1-6 (while Saul was still threatening murderously). The Eleven count themselves bishops and establish the appointment of new ones, Acts 1:20; Peter also affirms Jesus as bishop, 1 Peter 2:25. Jesus built a church, Matt. 16:18, 18:17; the apostles affirmed it, Acts 2:47, etc.; and Luke calls the structure plural churches of the brothers right at the time Saul gets saved, Acts 9:31; and John and Jesus confirm this plural structure repeatedly in Rev. 1-3 and 22. Procedure is fluid but I don't see a special difference between Paul being procedural and any others; the biggest procedure appears to be the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15, where Paul and many other church leaders all had equal standing. So I can be anti-institutionalism while still affirming that Jesus wanted a little free organic structure.
The Pistis Sophia, hints at the perilous journey of the soul through realms of judgement and false lights. So, yeah I think it's literal.
Okay, will look into it in time.
By convincing the soul that it has failed, that it must return to correct its mistakes, the archons ensure the cycle of reincarnation never ends.
I can't logically conclude that. 100% of our evidence is from those who didn't stay with the light, so in all those cases the person avoids a cycle of reincarnation. As for the rest we can't use the light evidence to determine their fates because they don't return or provide evidence; we can only use general data about reincarnation. But I don't know that it's that important; verifiable facts are important.
Yes, Lucifer is also a good name. I'm just not buying the evidence that he has any creative power.
Now, I've been exploring my hesitant suggestion yesterday, and it might work, namely that the righteous might get to make a free choice as described in Romans 14. Those whose conscience doesn't want a body of flesh might, in the apokatastasis, get the right not to carry one, while those whose conscience isn't troubled might get the right to carry one, and each is fully convinced in his own conscience and neither deprecates the other. I'm still exploring whether that's a useful theology otherwise, but in this case it really breaks down the wall between traditional and gnostic views of the corruption of the present universe because everyone can get what they want.
Did you get permabanned from six Nazi forums all at once in the last half-hour or something?
Because I did.
Perhaps along with Conspiracies, other forums got fresh mods too "to make it fair". Of course it doesn't help if one or two individuals act the victim and the censor at the same time. And if admin allows inconsistency about the right of certain users to mod, that's been an open issue that I don't know the details of.
The tech doesn't make sense unless Mary was a virgin. If you change Jesus's parentage you change the whole being you claim as God. Your first two paragraphs were fine but nobody ever presents evidence of these alleged Bible changes or claims of cabal power. More likely the cabal only wants to have exercised such power so they get shills to believe they did, much cheaper for them.
On rules, 2025-11-11. Edits included.
Seeing as the community appears to prefer to build its consensus more irregularly I'll try this one by putting my thoughts out first and taking the heat rather than trying to formalize the order of discussion.
[Rule 0:] This is a forum for free thinking and for discussing issues which have captured your imagination. Please respect other views and opinions, and keep an open mind. Our goal is to create a fairer and more transparent world for a better future.
Rule 1: Be respectful. Attack the argument, not the person.
Rule 2: Don't abuse the report function.
Rule 3: No excessive, unnecessary and/or bullying "meta" posts.
[Rules 4-10:] Disclaimer: Submissions/comments of exceptionally low quality, trolling, stalking, spam, and those submissions/comments determined to be intentionally misleading, calls to violence and/or abuse of other users here, may all be removed at moderator's discretion.
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[Also 0.] Respect seems to have a simple objective test of no personal attack or namecalling. I've found it helpful to permit indirect concern (if there's a known rapist then speaking indirectly about rapists at least allows the level of respect to keep it at arm's length from attack and namecalling) and to be hard-line about direct statement ("you're a rapist", "you destroy community"). [Recommendation: Start only with the most objective namecalling, i.e. slurs.]
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Straightforward, unless mods lie about reports, for which there is no beneficial reason. Reports must be credible and not just an attempt to punish another (or even to start a dialogue, which should be started through modmail instead).
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This literally says any post whatsoever that is not about conspiracies directly but is about the forum itself (and for the most part we don't have established "conspiracies about the forum" so I wouldn't encourage the blurring of that line) can be deleted immediately if viewed as bullying or unnecessary; so any meta post should be extra respectful and objectively justifiable. (I see that while writing this I'm speaking about some things with two levels of indirection by comparing them to racism; I think that's passable for a meta.) Further, even if that's the case it must not be excessive meta, such as a couple times a day, because why in a non-emergency would people need to make several meta posts in a day? [Recommendation: No meta actions for a published transition period, e.g. 3 days, during which more objective definition of meta contribs can be published.]
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Very low quality can be deleted freely; this would suggest to me, for instance, the meme with very little graphic improvement and very little title interest, as it's unlikely to provoke new conversation.
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Trolling is vague, but I define it as disruption, behavior that doesn't fall in another category but is clearly uninterested in pursuing the community goal (rule 0) of fairness and transparency. Focusing on another user's past elsewhere on the forum, for instance, is not a matter for Conspiracies mods but for mods of the community where the behavior occurred; focusing on the past of this forum would only be submitted as a request for specific action from the mods, because complaining without an action plan is basically borderline disruptive. [Recommendation: Limit to objective acts of disruption initially.]
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Stalking refers to continuing to interact with a person after the person has clearly indicated a request not to interact in a first page.
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Spam generally means unsolicited, and in the Content Policy it includes consistent promotion of outside websites or of agendas (I did discuss this with a contributor in another forum, he knows who he is, so I'm not saying something new). (When I arrived at Scored I found from core mods that it was okay for me to inconsistently promote the website that has the same name as my handle.) We might draw a line between theory and agenda as relating to facts versus propaganda. [Recommendation: No spam actions other than monitoring ordinary levels objectively, and then wait until a clear outlier appears. I don't believe it's spam to repeat context many times if the context remains applicable each new repetition, e.g., if there is no change in the behavior contextualized. I'm getting tons of free advertising of my side forums, for instance.]
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Calls to violence are easily handled. [Recommendation: Start with direct and indirect reference to suicide and dehumanization. Advocacy for the historical NSDAP (as opposed to historical research) might be considered by some as a call to violence, use judgment case by case. Advocacy for nazism in general need not be judged as a call to violence without specifics. Abuse of this recommendation is likely to be resolveable by reference to other rules.]
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Abuse of others, although already handled under disrespect (including attack and namecalling), also includes categories like gaslighting.
These are simplified suggestions and I'm open to wording improvements. I propose that a minimal, objective adherence to baselines similar to the above should be the initial post-backlog transition stance, with lenience toward more debatable activities. If this, or a new rules thread, can be used as a community discussion, that should be beneficial to all. Essential to the transition will be transparency and openness to appeal, without the community overwhelming those anticipations of the mod team. I'll be commenting separately at a later time about individual backlog cases where there has been some question. I have no official status so am merely sharing views I think helpful for the community like anyone else.
Keep in mind, you can always do less than a 1-day minimum by setting a clock and remembering to undo a 1-day ban at some announced time like 4 hours. But, just out of my experience, this one might be at the 1-day warning level already, haven't reviewed it all. As you can tell from my other comments, I'm going to follow through on sharing my views about moderation candidly in time, as I know you're amenable to hearing from all sides.
TINAE has said she's likely to do a quick-clean, she's already done over 100 mod actions due to months of backlog. I don't see anyone being targeted, I see rapid approvals of presumably reported contribs only, with perhaps 90% agreement with the reporters; that's completely consistent with what I'd expect of any new active mod.
Removals of your material can be presumed to be due to listed violations. You allude to two removals of "facts" and I believe in audits so I'm looking into them in time. Sarcasm about moderation is not the way to go, nor is illogic about viewpoint handling.
I'm looking over the evidence myself. You speak in the plural, you should be able to list two explicit examples. Also in my experience, appeal is appropriate via modmail, admin, or community support. If you frame an appeal to the community as your being willing to accept its collective review of your evidence, it probably wouldn't be excessive meta. But the speed of your accusation suggests you might be jumping the gun.
Megathread, vote result in favor of moderation. Also discussed in Meta at the time as sublinked.
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I read the book and it didn't answer the question I just asked you in a different thread. It is an example of what I said in this thread, namely that symbols have neutral meanings and people can direct symbols in various directions but the truth remains they are just symbols.
Who is the ONE, TRUE God? The Monad? I'm already turned to the Monad. How can we discuss the one true God without needing to fight against unallied notions?
The new mods in my experience do not ban people from speaking for viewpoint, but only for violation of objective rules not related to viewpoint. Your viewpoint against free speech is not bannable either, but your behavior independent of viewpoint can be.
This is not the way to test. conspiracies.win/logs is the way to test. I have not done any reporting since the announcement was made but I was tempted to report in this thread and I still might. There are plenty of ways to convey the content you wish without using slurs that are disrespectful to contributors and abusive to other users.
Congratulations! Please feel free to make an example of me for abusing the report function. Otherwise I'll wait for smoke to clear.
But they have no power over me, I'm sovereign.
Exactly! I don't see anything wrong with your account so it may just be one of the site oddities. You can go to c/Meta with the alt, and try creating a post with title and text as "Test", and if that works you can change the text to whatever question you have of admin; and if it doesn't you can message the mods of Meta, which include a copy to admin, though they've been a bit slow lately. Sometimes, not always, I can find someone who can help a technically stranded user if you want me to intervene.
I'm reading testimonies of people who had near death experiences, similar to the ones who took psychedelics. They all talk about a bright light they see. Most will keep walking toward the light, unaware of who built it or why.
Funny thing, all NDEs by definition involve people choosing not to continue with the light, because if they did we wouldn't hear back from them. This logically indicates that we can't judge the light as a trap (a negative), only as an experience that most people don't leave for whatever reason. The other primary aspect of NDEs, when it's not the light, is the pain, and those who have experienced that and succeeded in not continuing with it speak of it as to be avoided, whether or not they change their lives to avoid it in the future. While we can't judge that either, the testimony of the light as "good" and the pain as "evil" is exceptionally strong, myriads of reported cases that almost always fall in one of those two categories.
Skeptically, if NDEs don't reflect ultimate truth any more than our daily experience (technically they don't), that isn't overwhelming evidence for or against a particular conclusion about them. The line of evidence I go with is that logic dictates either there is a Greatest Thing (Monad) or nothing can be said to exist (nihilism), and that perfectly aligns with the NDE evidence. If we decided to be skeptical of the NDE light, we would still have the duty to rightly reflect the Monad in us regardless, and I think that practice in life will guide us aright when the trial of death comes. So it's fine to use skepticism to pare alternatives down, but if you pare everything then Nihilism is left, and if you uphold the Monad then attributes keep emanating from it that cannot be pared away and prove it as the source of all diversity. So if reincarnation was a trap, the best remedy would be right living today, and that's pretty much of what the Hindus say and they're the deepest thinkers on reincarnation.
If the Pharisees had the (knowledge) key to escape and hid it, its evidence would still be present in their system somewhere, wouldn't it? If we take Jesus's reported teaching in gospels and apocrypha at face value, he is pretty straightforward about epignosis (and the OT has many cognate teachings, starting with binah, da'ath, mada', sekhel), that he gives it freely by revelation (Matt. 11:27, Luke 24:31). What he tells us quietly we are free to proclaim loudly. So I think that knowing the Son, emulating the Christ, is that key to knowledge, and those Pharisees (not all) who rejected their traditions about Christ were the ones who hid it.
Origen syncretized the reward/punishment afterlife with the cyclical by theorizing (though not totally committing) that the righteous soul after a period of reward might lapse back and then would enter another cycle, which might also reincarnate. What happened afterward was that his corpus was widely respected but some took the cyclic teaching heavily and the church chose to issue a condemnation that moderated two extremes: they did not condemn Origen or his teaching in particular, but they did condemn an unspecified "corrupt apokatastasis" while holding that there was a valid and incorrupt apokatastasis. So it is left ambiguous what exactly they condemned. Personally I think it was the form of the teaching where individuation is erased as a phenomenon, because they were still holding onto echoes of gilgul where individuation is respected but the oversoul is still learning collectively. The immediate reason was that removal of individual responsibility was observed to encourage licentious living and so it was very practical, not theoretical. That again goes back to the best preparation being righteous living (pursuit of truth at all costs), and then whatever awaits one is as strong as possible in the grace God gives. Particularly, the early church was, I think, unanimous that martyrs had zero fear of death, that they were sustained by visions of Christ to endure great torments and that union with Christ is a form of remembering the preexistence as a concept in the Monadic consciousness.
Now, you're proposing a narrative where a later legalist church has learned tools of control from the Roman empire, and where they play up the fear of death for this purpose, which shifts the focus of righteous living toward legalism (human-verified righteousness) rather than Christian liberty (divine-verified righteousness). That phenomenon is present but I don't see it in the Origen story. The story of all the gnostics who did teach a trap in the afterlife is, I think, separate because it was almost complete by the 3rd century and the Origen kerfuffle was quite later (you might argue that Clement of Alexandria first syncretized gnosticism into a system that later became Origenism, but it had lost all of the character you're seeing in it and only retained echoes in their sophisticated collations).
But that still leaves the core unsettled. If one doesn't know a goal, one's category would be "seeker", one who hasn't found. If one thinks advancing toward the light is a trap, and one can be confident advancing toward the pain is certainly a trap, one is seeking what other alternative there is on either NDE or Scripture or Apocrypha evidence. This leads to ternary systems but they seem to come much later and I'm not sure what analogues they have in the gnostic and proto-Christian period.
Now something fresh comes to mind, and since I'm already typing at length I'll include it. It might be possible that the "good ending" includes the choice of the best eternal existences, which would be the Pauline category "whether in the body or out of the body I can't tell". Perhaps the individual can choose to restore the matrix, in its perfected form, building from the DNA stored by the earth, or can choose the opposite, to release the DNA and to retain a pure spiritual form. That would certainly remove the chief scandal between the gnostics and the traditionals! I'd want to run that idea through a few filters, but that might be the character of what you appear to want to describe. It's not literal anywhere that "approaching light" automatically equals "flesh trap"; I've generally presumed that flesh as we know it isn't flesh as it will be revealed (here another Pauline concept intervenes, the "spiritual body"; but let's take it from Peter instead, who prophesied that even pigs can have pure, kosher bodies, Acts 10). So while the gnostics and the trads agree that the present flesh is to be deprecated, the resolution might be that we need not argue over the question of whether anyone is or isn't forced to take flesh up again (even if it's transfigured). Perhaps it's a liberty issue.
So I probably have several questions, so I'll try to focus them. So far you're narrating and really so am I. What's most unanswered to me is where the core teaching is to be found. What is the path to be taken to achieve one's heart's desire? And what is the nature of that desire? I haven't gleaned those, and at risk of being wrong I'll say it appears the path you recommend is to Know certain rules in the hope of remembering them in a postdeath confrontation, which would imply that one's duty in this life is to constantly study postdeath rules and would make it hard to live in the present. I've proposed instead that the entire life is about learning right living now and that all postdeath issues will be addressed by the preparations we make now and the patterns and disciplines that lead to the postdeath decisions. (In the same way, what I practice causes what I perceive myself doing in dreams: I have better dreams when I am practicing right living, because in the dream my unconscious habitually selects the right option without conscious will.) As to the second question, perhaps my untested suggestion that the best state is where the soul can choose its physical form or lack thereof might appeal to you. I don't know if I'd formally accept the suggestion myself, but since it has come to mind it can be tested like everything.
Last side point, just as a matter of politely requesting that you could do me a favor for my own sensibilities' sake. When you're speaking of the character you call demiurge, could you please stick to names I agree apply to that character (such as Samael or satan or Saklas), since it doesn't matter to you what you call him but it does matter to me? I only ask as an unimportant but helpful conversational bridge; if not I can accommodate but it might go slower.
Ah, you got me then. Unusual to get more attention with the alt and then return under the older account. Touche! Well, we can proceed in any way you like.
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This suggests to me that (1) all accounts at 0%, 50%, or 100% are the result of very few actions and, when adverse, are likely minor points that the account holder learned from; (2) all accounts between 0% and 50% are likely to have been subject to reporting abuse; and (3) all accounts between 50% and 100% are likely to need to review the rules better. Reviewing the list with these categories in mind yields categorizations that objectively agree with the rough impressions I had previously formed of these accounts. Though others are free to disagree, this indicates objectively at a first pass that moderation is being conducted moderately, i.e. with thought and attention rather than reflexively. While each person's conception of rules is different, I'm at least gratified that my own are not too different from those implemented, suggesting that refusal to follow the rules as stated is indeed a choice that can be disciplined, not a misunderstanding.
I propose that the community uses objective tests such as analyses like the above to make decisions about Not Feeding The Trolls. In particular, I said at Meta that two accounts, u/DresdenFirebomber and u/JosephGoebbel5 (in that order) are the first and second most likely to post large numbers of objectionable contributions at once, triggering the antiabuse filter when someone attempts to downvote conscientiously and thereby annulling the downvotes. I propose that, when a community member identifies another as a trolling account by some formal definition, one should not interact at all with such a person except for downvotes, and possibly rare attempts to wake the person up from troll behavior. (Note that even "troll" is not the best word, because dehumanizing, but it does have technical applicability.) I don't know whether paid shills are receiving anything for downvotes, so I can't comment on whether downvoting or ignoring is better.
I said I'd comment separately on appeals people have made about the reasons for mod actions. This survey doesn't cover that but I haven't seen anything untoward. I'll probably handle that by general public questions and comments in specific places rather than in a compiled report.
Other note to TINAE: We're probably ready for rotating stickies now, I find about 1-4 new stickies per day at a set check-in time, with unstickying after 2-4 days' time, are pretty good rules of thumb. This allows viewers of the main page to go directly to the best content and has no adverse effects (other than the mod getting accused of favoritism!).