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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

Funny, incoherence has never been against the rules in this open-minded forum. Failure to address the argument is also not against the rules if one chooses not to attack but to speak of something related. Nor does disrespect seem to be the issue here.

It would be a hard stretch to shoehorn this comment, or similar ones, into an overbroad category of "disrespect" or "subversion" or "spam" without making those words totally arbitrary. Disrespect is in the context of personal attack such as namecalling, subversion is in the context of meta posts, and spam is in the context of inorganic content, none of which apply. The post isn't "low quality" or "trolling" or "intentionally misleading". The worst we've got is that it's contrary to norms (which is what the forum seeks after all), that it can sound illogical (not a deletion criterion because paradox often helps explain conspiracy), or that it slides the forum (but this account never posts, is easily ignored, and has no stated agenda). So I reluctantly tolerate this content, and interact with it from time to time as I am "inspired".

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SwampRangers 3 points ago +3 / -0

A freshly deceased mind, spasming out fragments of memories, mish mashes of whatever connections your neurons built during life. As you rot and the connections dry out and crumble away, the dreams have less architecture to pull from, and you lose the inclusion of memories of lesser importance. You have flashes of work, family, porn, memes, playing games, injuries, mantras, songs. Little micro-dreams of the school dance, that one ball game... and they occur less and less vividly, less frequently, based on how often you experienced them, how thick your neurons built the pathway. As it melts away you're left with images of immediate family, Bing Crosby singing Christmas carols, your church sanctuary....

This hypothesis has been heard and duly considered by NDE researchers and the sources I listed show it to be a much weaker explanation. In particular, a supermajority of NDEs report greatly heightened ability to sense and to choose, many NDEs, from people blind from birth, report experiences of vision in ways that cannot be explained ordinarily, and many NDEs report observation of contemporaneous events on earth that they could not have known without the NDE. Further, the NDE generally returns to a fully intact mind, not one that has melted away in any sense. So this explanation, while it might handle an isolated, low-detail case, does not account for the data accumulated by researchers in the last 40+ years of collation on the subject.

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SwampRangers 4 points ago +4 / -0

Water-birthed babies don't scream.

In this metaphor if there were a past life it would not be lost near birth but near conception. The fact is that birth is a crisis transition to much greater liberty, and evidence shows that death is too. Therefore the screaming or its lack relates to how well the parents have provided for the transition, and spiritually the same is true of death.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

If they're Cainites, they're not Jews (Judahites) then.

If they're Jews (Judahites), they're not Cainites then.

The fact that Judahites are doing Cainite things, and things from the other races you mention, doesn't make them Cainite by descent.

If Americans can say Jews are not Jews, then Jews can say Americans are not Americans. Perhaps the Jews are seeding us with the idea of erasing their heritage so that they can be justified in erasing ours? We wouldn't want to contribute to that, would we?

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SwampRangers 8 points ago +8 / -0

NDEs give much evidence that there is a choice but they only show those who choose not to go beyond a certain "barrier". The best two books on the subject are Life After Life by Raymond Moody and Imagine Heaven by John Burke and all those interested who have the time should invest in both. Some people go a long distance "toward the light" but many find a "barrier" and recognize that it's a point of no return, and those that came back tell us that; so going toward the light in itself isn't the final question.

Ranging from negative to positive, NDE experiences include (1) a choking, repulsive "pit", (2) a warring, painful "hell", (3) a distancing, dark "abyss", (4) observation of earth's happenings during the NDE, (5) an ascending, tubelike "passage", (6) a rewarding, fruitful "paradise", (7) an exciting, joyous "city". Almost all fall into these categories. The light can be experienced in any realm but has the effect of moving the soul toward more positive realms and, if pursued, almost always resolves into human form (not any other form). The entire narrative, combined across thousands of testimonies, indicates a presentation where the light is the most reasonable, loving being and resistance to the light is engaged by the most unreasonable, hateful beings.

We can infer from observing death that the experienced "barrier" is consistent with the fact that most people don't return from clinical death. We can infer from the aggregation of testimony that those who return often experience a straining point where they judge that to go further in the direction (either positive or negative) would be "permanent", i.e., it would separate sentience from body indefinitely via a breaking event. All reports indicate that choice exists in all realms (but is harder and more pressured in the negative than in the positive) and the barrier encounter evidences that a choice can be "locked in" for any realm (although the consistent impression is that positive and negative locks create separate, unmixed destinies).

Therefore OP is about (1) trusting the appearances to be accurate versus (2) distrusting the appearances in favor of some other explanation. Death is certainly a "birth" from the present realm to a realm without physical experience but with heightened sensation (reported by the supermajority of NDE experiences). I've pointed out that in reincarnation cultures the gilgul oversoul explanation fits better with evidence than the transmigration recycling explanation, but since OP is about the NDE and since there is no discussion in the NDE about observation of anyone engaging an experience of forgetfulness or return to a zygotic state then we simply cannot rule it in or out on the experienced evidence but only on contingent theory. Therefore my conclusion last time was that every day of life we are preparing to make the right judgments in the afterlife, and making the right decision when confronting the light will absolutely be guided by practicing right discernment in the present, every day. Prejudging the case is unnecessary and perhaps counterproductive as it hampers the ability to judge it when it happens. However, judging human presentation to find out the nature of truth and deception can be practiced at every moment and seems to be the best answer to your question.

u/NotACat

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SwampRangers 1 point ago +1 / -0

We're not arguing white man's burden. I agreed with you that genocide including children is permitted in the Bible in certain very regulated cases. Obviously you don't want the cases drawn so loosely that it justifies the next idiot who decides on his own recognizance that he can commit "genocide" against any individual of his choosing without reason. That would be murder. So let's find out what crimes your avenging by your genocide, you haven't said.

If you get 4.5 votes for, and 1 vote against, on some binary proposition that contradicts the prior vote, that would indicate that the prior voters had become passive so it might be a start on new consensus. However, if you don't get a margin of 3.5 it would be a less conclusive total. Plus, just as last time, it's not on any of us to interpret results finally but only on admin. Admin didn't announce how they would implement the vote in favor of a generic mod, instead they approached TINAE rather than anyone else and negotiated a plan and let her publish it. So please feel free and see what the community does and what the admin does.

You can do all this without namecalling, which is still a Rule 1 violation.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

If you claim the right to criminalize children because you believe Jews criminalize children, yes, that's hypocrisy. You need to hold yourself to a higher standard than those you declare enemies.

If you were to claim the moral right to execute children as the result of a tribunal judgment upon a race, that would be different and instead of appealing to the Jews as standards for your behavior you'd appeal to your own circumspection. That's what the Swamp Rangers do: we are willing to judge whole classes of people as Swamp Creatures as long as the judgment and crimes are public. The Bible indicates that there are rare times when even the children can be judged but it is for their own behavior (unless they are casualties of war, which is quite different from "it's the Jews"). So you don't seem to be acting out of moral right but out of emulation.

You say caring more about Jewish children than white children is a crime, and you say my efforts to obtain moderation for this forum were a crime. That would be fine because then you could hold me criminal instead of the Jews. I learned from Paul how to suffer on behalf of others. But you're not stating any crime any Jew has committed. You can't even say Kissinger got JFK killed, let alone that all Jewish toddlers are complicit. So your failing to produce crimes suggests that your judgment may be a trifle rash here. (Speaking of which, I defend all groups against unjust criticism equally, and I defend all attempts to obtain consensus about this forum equally, so your judgments there are questionable too.)

I keep hoping you'll advance the discussion by proposing a tribunal. For instance, let's check in on the ICC, South Africa v. Israel: oh look, Israel has now answered in court (as of 2026-03-14) for charges of genocide, so the proceeding is ongoing. Why not agree to hear the ICC's eventual ruling before making your own judgment? Or why not say, as others do here, that being indoctrinated into Rabbinical Judaism is a crime in itself because a child should know better than to get a bar mitzvah? To say "it's the Jews" when the very pertinent "it's the satanists" is available seems imbalanced. Were you going to give a name for what happened prior to 1793 BC? Were there Jews before Judah and if so how do they retroactively earn a name that didn't exist yet? What tribe are they, Semite (what about before Shem), Noachite, Adamite?

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SwampRangers 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yet, at the same time there is something of minor value remaining after the fiat currency is abandoned.

Literalist Christians believe the real Tree of Life is a physical species of tree gifted by God to humanity and that will be restored in Jesus's kingdom. They also recognize that Bezalel's menorah is typological of the pattern in the heavenly kingdom, and that it's shaped like a tree, with three nodes on left and right, a main branch with four almond blossoms, and a total of 22 almond blossoms. Catacomb Christians have used diagrams similar to OP to express this thought, with the cross worked into the pattern. Christians also affirm Jerome's observation there are ten basic Hebrew names for God and yet that God himself is an unnamable above all names. So when we claim the symbolism of the Tree of Life for ourselves (much like the nascent-Messianic author of the Sefer Yezhirah) we find that we do have value in it even though that value has been hijacked by a few rather silly associations along the way.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

So you're using the alleged standards of Jews who judge their behavior and adopting it as your own standard to judge your own behavior? No, I'm asking you to judge your behavior by stating a crime. You obviously don't believe it's right for them to judge children, so why do you? This has nothing to do with remigration proposals or Anne Frank laws, I want to know why you believe "it's the Jews" includes your criminalizing millions of children. So that I can agree or disagree with your reasoning.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hey Vlad, sorry to keep asking, but did we establish that the vast majority of Jewish children were guilty of some crimes in your opinion? Either yes, we should name the crimes, or no, we should modify the oversimplified statement "it's the Jews". And what was it called before Judah was born in 1793 BC? I say it's the satanists.

Words that attack persons without evidence of crimes would break Rule 1.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

Maybe along with that "strange growth" on the ISS the demons are setting the US up for disclosure in an attempt to take over the NWO directly. Wouldn't be a surprise. Truth will continue to defeat the new cabal same as the old.

They: "Take me to your leader" Me: "✝️"

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

u/LikeThemSpicy is the only account out of all of them that is clearly in favor of the Jewish roots of Christianity. Ordinary give and take about Zionism doesn't register as sliding as far as I can see. It's clear that Spicy does intend to advance an opinion, which could be interpreted as sliding if there were serious objection to it, but they are within the bounds of religious discussion TheDonald has permitted and his arguments are concise and incisive and seem to be carrying the day. I was surprised he wasn't mentioned at the linked post.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

It was up to admin last time and it'll be up to admin anytime it's challenged.

The community had a chance to argue in favor of having no active mods. It still hasn't put forward a case that there is a consensus for that.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

Voters were listed at https://scored.co/c/Conspiracies/p/1ARK0RBc7L/community-question-your-response/c/4eXueGRlA3U

Admin are the known admin accounts (C, Perun, Doggos), TINAE didn't say who represented them.

As a fellow Christian, please take my public accountability to Scott Lively and my elders and SwampRangers.com, and TINAE's public accountability as my sister as stated at c/Christianity for the past 5+ years, as sufficient testimony. I respect your right not to take our testimony, but it's appropriate for sovereigns to negotiate rather than to act unilaterally, especially when admins and mods have authority stemming from platform ownership.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

The community discussed, voted that some new mod was needed, and mentioned about 7 different names. After review, admin told u/Thisisnotanexit that they were likely to appoint her (as someone who's been on Conspiracies about 2 years longer than you) and she announced this. After 2 more months in which no serious objection or contestation arose from the community, she was appointed.

Individuals are free to object or seek community action, but so far none has been coordinated.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

Mars, the moon, and every star and planet are likely to be plasma.

According to accretion theory in stochastic electrodynamics, plasma is indeed their source, called mayim (waters) in Gen. 1.

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SwampRangers 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, according to C it's reasonable to assume, but it's not reasonable to cast a wide net over everyone OP disagrees with. Anyway, I believe the truth rises to the surface in an open forum.

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SwampRangers 3 points ago +3 / -0

unscored.arete.network/p/1ASZ3aY8EY

Oh, it's just a list of accounts believed to be IDF with circumstantial evidence, insults, alt accusations, obscenities, and reference to $7,000. No meat.

Sample that triggered OP: https://scored.co/c/TheDonald/p/1ASFvVOcmk/do-it-again-elon-make-the-bitch-/c/4eaTZh7Lt2m

It's always been worthwhile to posit that those calling irrational attention to IDF infiltration are the most glowy, because they make anti-Semites look stupid. Reasonable people who want the truth to triumph are much less likely to be paid advocates.

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SwampRangers 3 points ago +3 / -0

Here's a stream of consciousness.

10-18 21:05 Total phony. I could larp that much myself.

10-19 00:10 Mostly ditto. Even a 2008 LLM could come up with "Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences" oh and "Media" and "Financial". The "Family" has nothing on my Family in Christ. However the message comes at the end: "You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet" and 'There is no "Messiah"". First logical fail because his Family takes the role of Messiah as salvation outside self, but he denies the same principle.

10-19 00:20 "Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator": let's pretend he means satan. Whoever he means, the older "Ruling-Bloodlines" are wholly invented and fall into the ordinary boast-about-nothing pattern. "My duty is to offer": Funny thing, several times on Scored, I as a Swamp Ranger offered myself in AMA and prepared for an onslaught. Nobody ever went deep, there were a couple brushes with depth that fizzled out. There was one guy in 5 years who correctly divined the US tax code with a little assistance. No other topic got far at all, although I suppose anti-topics like universalism got some depth. So far his larp is perfectly repeatable and I ought to do it again. Should I trust his theory of negative harvest when it has this huge drag? "I am prepared to give you some things coming down the timeline, that you will be able to look back upon, and verify my predictions retrospectively" .... "Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008/early 2009, along with a new Union of nations" .... "San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play" .... "You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater" ....

10-19 23:46 Within "The Infinite One" is "potential, waiting to 'become'" yet immediately there is "Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself". This shows that the speaker has put becoming and waiting to become in the same category, which tends illogical. The fallback pilpul might be "potential waits but intelligence becomes" but then there's no narrative in which the potential itself becomes like the intelligence has become. So if it's the same thing waiting to become and then becoming, there's a time element inserted logically prior to the creation of time. It doesn't work. Compare the origin of the dwarfs in the Silmarillion for a much better narrative of subcreation. Compare Screwtape's cannibal spiders for a much better narrative of subsubcreation. Anything setting up a cascading "Russian Doll" creation narrative is attempting to pull rank on you when you have an image-of-God creation narrative. "Creator receives the Free Will" but without any original unbounded freewill Creator to receive it from.

10-19 23:53 And yet somehow he mashes up each aeonic spirit being lesser, to put humans at the bottom, with the idea that humans can then evolve from level 1 upward, to finish his Gamer universe. What a Steineresque conflict. Larp: "our bloodlines do not originate from this planet". He says to demote Yahweh and promote Lucifer, Lucifer being "higher" and "arguably 'greater'"; Lucifer lowered himself to help save humanity, where have I heard something like that story. From Gen. 3 on I've already answered and the repugnance of the story is on record. 'Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru"' ....

10-20 00:01 The Mayan Long Count does not reflect procession of the equinoxes at all; it may be used to calculate procession but there's no reason to use the provably false 2012 date to mark a procession epoch. So a fact fail. What he did was take the arbitrary 13 baktuns of 144,000 days each and fudge that 5 of those (9,360,000 days) would get sorta close to the procession period (25,771.575 years or 9,413,068 days). Real Mayan historians have a totally different calculation. In our previous discussion you've had no respect for exactitude and instead affirmed that "sorta close" is enough to be symbolic; but here it's a big chunk to excise to find any edibles remaining. Now, harvest theory: Important to recall is that the enemy doesn't know if a pretrib rapture will happen so he plans for contingencies. It is absolutely responsive and noncreative to plan ahead for a pretrib rapture by saying those taken go with Lucifer to a happy negative-density world and those remaining ascend with Jesus to a happy positive-density world because that will steel those who remain into thinking they were not "left behind". The phoniest op you could imagine. If there's no pretrib rapture, in that contingency the ops go on as before and get spiritualized and those following this Lucifer think themselves the enlightened fighting the negative-density puritans. None of it calls for investigation upon truth, only upon vaporous campaign promises before an actual Voting Day. [The editor then proposes exactly the spiritualization I proposed before reading him: the op is in full effect.]

10-21 01:36 Did you plagiarize? Well, it's admittedly similar! Ra visited Atlanteans and Mayans. Frankism becomes Truth. Yahweh "threw his toys out of the pram", "not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey". [See how the entire thing is responsive primarily to Christianity and not to Zoroastrianism or any other religion? Every culture is fine except the one that glorifies Yahweh. It's glowing red-hot.] When you realize genocide is only a game you'll use it as a tool. Nothing in this reply is worth less than such satire, Frankly.

10-21 02:00 He says when you "love them, as yourself", STO does not become STS but remains a separate polarity; I said before I knew the concepts that balancing Self and Other in One is the way, not to separate them. Fake self-destructive altruism is just as bad as selfishness (The Fountainhead). "We are All on our way back Home" so ultimately freewill is meaningless. Oh, but then he contradicts his polarity by going back to unity: "When you truly understand what it is to Know and Love 'yourself', you cannot help but to Love and Serve others". Maybe he means (stealing from Jesus to Laodicea) that 51% + or 95% - are progressive but that middle lukewarm group is slogging slower; but then there's still no incentive for them to leave anytime because they are guaranteed by theory to leave sooner or later. And guess what Biblical character wants people not to decide anytime soon? This guy says, "No, you evolve better by being a little good or a lot bad", but when he points out that the middle slog gets there anyway and you're the only one judging your own percentage, his other goal of their not deciding anytime soon is affirmed too. Another laugh to quote at length: "Another difficult issue with channeling, is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity, and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel, you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive, but gradually slips in more and more misinformation, having gained your trust. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. Positive entities will not give a date and time. Negative ones will do, so they can set you up for a fall. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times, and they don't happen, they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message, as no one will see any credibility in you."

10-22 23:15 Quetzalcoatl is his friend. Death and suffering are not reality so if you choose negativity then go maximize that death kids because it has no harmful effect: what desensitization potential. "I am genuine, but, would it matter even if I were not?"

10-22 23:25 Masons are scratching the surface. Cayce and ACIM and others are great.

10-23 18:54 Making excuses for how much time he has to answer. Very 3rd-density.

10-24 03:35 'Humanity needs to grow beyond the stagnating concept of "gods". The idea of "god" takes the Power out of your own hands, and places it upon some shadowy unknown figure, somewhere "out there"'. Pedantry. Not much added here but lotsa redirections since the core message has already been delivered and seeded.

10-24 21:53 "Do not 'worship' your Infinite Creator". 'No-one really "dies"'. "You are not 'doomed', and your Soul does not require 'salvation'". '"Is the Earth Hollow?" Hold on, let me just check. Yes, definitely'. '"Satan" is a human invention'. 'I am "Channeling" Lucifer. That is why this discourse flows so easily'.

Okay, I read the whole thing. The summary was good and this didn't add much. What's the most generous, gracious, considerate thing I can say? The aspects that I can affirm, a monistic core creator, intelligent hidden beings, creation of freewill being good, some polarity being necessary, Lucifer being God's tool, service to others being positive, a hopeful destiny for positivity, well guess what all of those come from elsewhere and are expressed elsewhere without adding any poisonous contradictions. Other aspects that you like, such as "sympathy for the devil" who is "only following orders" who finds "negativity a tool" because to you it better answers certain questions, have so much risk associated that there's nothing there to entertain. After much thought in 2021 I concluded that those who hope for the devil's salvation can be entertained up to a point; but IMHO not to the point of applauding his sweet talk when he disses Yahweh and promotes himself and says everything is logical except when it's contradictory. I don't see anything of value there that contributes better than other discussions of "the state of our world" do.

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SwampRangers 3 points ago +3 / -0

forbidden

An example of a word not in the text but added later. God forbade the deluge from continuing (Gen. 8:2, kala'), but what he said about the tree wasn't to "bid against" by imperative (prescriptive) but was to educate about natural consequence and to persuade by designing that consequence. There may be a blurry line between force and persuasion especially as to God's and our freewill, but we have relative power to act, which increases with good choices, and I call it persuasion if it respects that relative power.

The text is actually declarative (decretive): You are not designed to do this because of its consequence; just like "Thou shalt not" is technically declarative and means "you are not to", e.g. "[There is] no stealing". We call it "command" in Gen. 2:16 but this word, mizhwah, refers to a charge or burden to carry willingly and not to a slavish contract where we choose to perform, or not, in exchange for some kind of wages or punishment.

All that's to say the Edenic life and post-Edenic life are both intentional parts of one story, that God righteously designs the fruit to show forth the nature of contrary will and to initiate the story of its conquest. At the same time the sinner is responsible for abusing that design by partaking with sinful motive. It seems to me the One who accepts without resistance the evil will of others that he partake of the Tree (by their nailing him to it) is then accounted as partaking of death but without sin. For us ordinary humans, having partaken sinfully, we enter a state of partaking of Knowledge without guilt by our union with the One who partook alone without guilt. That's the sense in which there is no tension between the charge and the fulfillment: our willing acceptance of death as part of life and our submission to God's will about it. We are meant to embrace it, in God's good will, and yet we are to reject that part of us that embraced it in our corrupted wills.

Dark is just as real as Light

Not what dual-slit teaches. Relative dark is lesser light, but when we speak of absolute darkness or evil we speak of that which is not. This spectrum is real but it's designed to show All on one side and Nothing on the other (unlike a contrasting spectrum of dual poles like up and down).

What does moral awareness without God even look like?

It is possible for angels, or Edenic humans, to consider counterfactual hypotheticals without embracing them sinfully: that's "temptation" (solicitation) and need not be engaged. That which is allows us to consider that which is not and to recognize that what is not could tempt us. It appears that Helel was tempted by that which is not and broke his own will at every level in order to test whether anything whatsoever could be blurred between is and is not. Thousands of years of testing and no result has been found, but he keeps trying. Meanwhile mankind has collectively learned that obedience is better and has made significant never-again steps forward by committing solely to what is. So we all continue the choice process and testing and approving what is good, and that's why I've locked my choice in and committed it to Another to maintain rather than myself. By doing so in fact I reflect the prior Edenic state by resolving not to countenance any other possibility than moral awareness without sin: not that I've attained but that I press forward and will attain. The latter state recapitulates the former and is not robotic at all but a confluence of my will and God's.

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SwampRangers 1 point ago +1 / -0

Avner Falk, Anti-Semitism 2008, says "The German word 'antisemitisch' was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816–1907) in the phrase 'antisemitische Vorurteile' (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how 'Semitic races' were inferior to 'Aryan races'." More.

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SwampRangers 1 point ago +1 / -0

Total agreement. Fortune is just using an ordinary report that is just as insolvent as any prior or any future year (until we solve it) to declare breathlessly "Breaking!" and for added chutzpah "The [remaining] media missed it!"

Contributors here are already noting that the article's whole purpose is yet another plug for an Article V convention, which is still a Very Bad Idea in this climate because it wouldn't do what the founders intended it for but would be a total revamp by the cabal if it ever happened. IMHO a Continental Congress would be better but most systems nowadays have little protection against dilution of voices and opacity of decisionmaking. SAVE America is one of the best steps we have to improve things and may found other improvements, but in general we need a restoration of transparency across the board such that the biggest problems are faced squarely and not dialectically. Without dramatic destruction of vote fraud there is little hope for promulgating other solutions to the debt.

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SwampRangers 2 points ago +2 / -0

Very good. It's possible to believe all that without denying that Jesus died on a cross in 33 AD and rose from the dead on the third day. If one doesn't believe history it won't help to know symbology.

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SwampRangers 3 points ago +3 / -0

Actually, the kabbalistic tree of life and the cross of Christ both allude to the trees in the Garden of Eden and come from the same tradition (early Christians also used the tree of life diagram now associated with kabbalism), so this is not a matter of cultural inference from asterisms (which has its own interesting and partly lost history).

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