Thanks! u/Graphenium:
The worldview expressed in the Law of One/“Ra Material” and the Hidden Hand interview
https://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_081018
The way I see things, these two sources explain existence, the state of our world, and the meaning of life far more accurately than any other. One is a “channeled” work, and the other is a long series of Questions and Answers between a conspiracy forum (RiP ATS) and a self-proclaimed world-controller. I see them as complimentary, showing a deeper reality by showing two sides of the same coin. One side being that of Service-to-Others, and the other being Service-to-Self
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASG9Vy4Tl/round-table-suggestion-thread/c
Thread will stay open for 3-4 weeks thanks to a very helpful suggestion.
Maybe this can be gotten out of the way quickly. https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis-prev.php and https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php state:
"There is only one, and that one is the Infinite Creator." Fine, that means God is All Being.
"The Infinite Creator became aware of the possibility of finity. It determined to explore this possibility." No, there is no "becoming" in one because that would imply two, a before and after. The one is timeless. If we said "was/is aware" that would fix it. Similarly the "determination" is also timeless like the awareness.
"It wants to know Itself." Fine if realized that its desire is already fully fulfilled in its knowledge, timelessly. There's no state of the infinite "wanting" anything in the sense of lacking, then it wouldn't be the only one. Rather, the wanting and the knowing are also one.
"Its infinite intelligence coalesces into foci of intelligent energy. These foci call light into being, thereby establishing a pattern of natural laws and creating what we call a galaxy." This prepares for an error by directing focus to the galaxy level rather than any other. But let's pretend to pass this language for now. If we were to regard an "intelligent energy" as a perfect subset of Being it'd probably pass because then there is no mediation between the infinite and the creation. Mediation doesn't work if it involves other than the one, which is why the blushing sophia paradigm breaks down.
"Yes, each galaxy has its own Logos. Ra says that our people have often worshipped the Logos instead of the One Infinite Creator from which it comes." See, I called the setup before I read it. Direct attack at Christians and not anyone else, meaning we're over target. But let's pretend that each galaxy has a separate created being through which it was perfectly created by the infinite without any mediating change during the process; that much wouldn't be a problem. I decline to award these beings the title "logoi". Let's also pretend that worship instead of the Creator is indeed wrong, but worship in the Creator is permitted, i.e. the Creator is worshipped in his perfect image, and less so in imperfect (mediated) images. That'll get us far enough for that paragraph.
"Is there a physical manifestation of the Logos? I’m not sure. If there is, I guess it would be the central sun of our galaxy. But though Ra does refer to a central sun, it seems to be the central sun of the universe that all will return to." Ooh, sketchy. By "central sun" he creates ambiguity because most galactic centers are black holes; but we could pretend that the central mass of a galaxy is a physical manifestation of that galaxy's assigned spirit being. The idea that the universe itself has some physical "central sun" kinda goes against the observation of homogeneity, namely that there is no center because everywhere looks mostly the same. If he meant the temporal Alpha Point and/or Omega Point though that could be admitted too. Note that the Creator's power to manifest personally rather than through a created being remains hidden and undiscussed.
"So does each galaxy have its own system of natural laws? Yes. And also its own archetypical mind. Ra says that some of its members have wandered to other galaxies, and that '[t]he experience has been one which staggers the intellectual and intuitive capacities.'" That too goes against observational evidence that natural law is the same everywhere. This is a trick for saying that some have control over higher (spiritual) laws that others must ask mediatory power for. But spiritual laws are the same everywhere too: the devil can't offer me any power he hasn't stolen, nor anything I can take freely by the right means and process. Meanwhile, Ra is being taught both as a collective and as a group of individuals, without any organizational means given.
"What is our sun? A 'sub-Logos.' It refines the natural laws and the archetypical mind set up by our Logos, informed by the experience of earlier solar systems in our galaxy, just as our Logos was informed by the experience of earlier Logoi with their galaxies." Clever bit there, make the sun subservient to the black hole of Sagittarius A*. Simultaneously subservient to "earlier solar systems" that the alleged logos also set up, plus subjecting that alleged logos to others whom we have no proof of life for. Sounds like a power play, dude. The whole inventing of layers between infinite creator, earlier logoi, present logos is exactly the gnostic shtik, about which no two gnostics ever agree. That's because the Creator is always one; but to explain away evil we play a shell game and hope people don't follow the changeups.
"Our Logos, in its plan for how best to allow the Creator to know itself, chose to invest bipedal apes with self-consciousness." Clever, one half-step short of admitting evolution, but "ape" is still contrary to the science of DNA barcodes. Also what is the alleged logos doing "allowing" its Creator something? The creature plans for its Creator to know that which the Creator of the creature does not know? This is worse than open theism.
"Why would the Logos want us not to discover the powers of the mind [e.g. telepathy]? It goes back to free will. We are each, in essence, the One Infinite Creator, exploring the illusion of finity. The Logos wanted to give each portion of the Creator the utmost free will in its exploration. It therefore carefully veiled the subconscious and deep minds from the conscious mind." Whoa, shell move! Now the supposed logoi and I are all the Creator again. And finity is no more a "possibility" but an "illusion". This mediator "wants" us not to be spiritual but also "wants" us to have utmost freewill, as if a physical-only creature has more freewill. It would be more accurate to say an infinite Creator would naturally want things to develop over a process at which veiled things become unveiled at set points, as we find out by being born where one view of the universe becomes suddenly opened to a much bigger view. To characterize this as to "want us not to discover" is misleading and introduces war without assigning blame. If we wanted to view ourselves as subsets of God exploring constraints of our finity, fine, but then we'd mature into spiritual exercise such as supernatural knowledge, exactly as Moses and Jesus state we should do. If one already distrusts the physical, the gnostic message resonates, but if one recognizes both physical and spiritual have place in one, then the gnostic message is fatally deficient.
"The subconscious mind is aware of unity with all that is. If we were consciously aware of that unity, we would have no need for seeking or for choosing a path back to the Creator." If I pretended that to "veil[] the subconscious and deep" was merely a positive name for spiritual inability, and that being in unity makes conscious choice of the Creator meaningless (as opposed to alternatives), I might find usage for this locution. But it seems simply stolen from Christians who all along admit that eating of the tree of knowledge brought about good. The purpose of the locution, to exempt the eating from being a sin, isn't accomplished by the circuitousness.
"Service to self or service to others. Or neither .... We reincarnate until we do choose one of the two paths." I already said why not both: Self and Other can be served in balance. Well, the answer is that STS is being set up as both selfish and a good thing. Reincarnation of course has the same questions I ask everyone, nobody seems to want to tackle them because Western reincarnation is like a lucky charm that people hold onto hoping it'll work someday without any proof that it works or that its maker isn't a destroyer. If people went two steps into studying reincarnation they wouldn't talk flippantly about it as if it solves all theodicy problems.
"Ra does point out that, just as it’s impossible to judge the polarity of a magnet, so is it impossible, and inappropriate, to judge the polarity of another being." Implying STS and STO are equally merit, and still holding out hope that STS can be selfish rather than the enlightened self-interest that arises from treating Other AS Self.
"In order to choose the positive path, at least 51 percent of our thoughts and actions must be dedicated to the service of others. For the negative path, at least 95% must be self-serving." I see why you like math abuse. Now STS becomes "self-serving", which is a darker, unenlightened version. Plus there's no physical law for these arbitrary numbers. If there were, they would say "over 50%" and not (exactlly) "51%", and they'd say "19/20" (to the nearest 20th) rather than "at least 95%" (to the nearest 100th). They're pulling the numbers out of whole cloth.
"What happens if we do choose one of the paths successfully? We graduate to a planet of service to others or a planet of service to self." Totally controlled by the alleged logoi of course, who promise a "4th density" (meaning nothing) and have no requirement to deliver. I know someone who backs up what he promises, I don't need this empty sales pitch. Too many flaws in this theory to poke at all at once.
"How long do we have in which to choose? 75,000 years." Ow, I'm suffering for having read that. I'm not even going to try to guess where that number was invented form.
"After that, earth will be a service to others planet. Those who have chosen service to others will work together in the manner that seems best to them. Those who have chosen service to self will go to planets dedicated to their path. Those who have not yet chosen will go to other third-density planets." This party is pretty standard like the alien psyop, we channeled beings have the power to decree how humanity will be separated, coincidentally just as Jesus and Paul prophesied but with our own spin on it. If you are "left behind" on earth it's a good thing, even though Jesus says the angels gather the elect and Paul says to depart is far better. If you leave earth it must be because your works didn't reach 51% service to others as undefined. Sorry, 50.3% doesn't cut it. This might convince Hindus, but I'm going for 100% service to others, fren.
"Awareness ... growth ... choice": This part is technically Biblical because all the spirits know Gen. 1 has three "bara" created events, existence, life, and consciousness. But there's no gap between these, they are part of the same 6 days on purpose. The extension of this creative narrative into eons is once again a proof that 6 days is over target.
"Love ... wisdom ... unity": Too bad, I already operate in all these so I must be 6th-density too. He's saying, Oh poor humans, you have no love, wisdom, or unity at all, only we logoi can give it to you, not the Creator unmediated of course; you must live a works-oriented life of other-service that can never be counted as true 4th-density love until you die and have it judged by the 51% standard. But I love already with love shed in my heart, so I don't need some mediator to review my life before I can be told that what I experience was never love all along but now they'll give it to me. Without the original infinite Creator having anything to do with it.
"Those on the service-to-self path, realizing that they cannot successfully master the lessons of unity without opening their hearts to others, switch their polarity to positive." This means the "worst" selfishness is just a valid expression that will become other-service naturally, which is of course universalism and total carte blanche for everyone on this earth to be as selfish as possible (gotta hit that 95%). What a Ponzi!
"In Ra’s terms, 'distortion' is anything that moves away from undistorted unity. This can be either what we would consider 'good' (distortion toward love) or 'bad' (distortion towards ill health). There are three fundamental distortions of Infinite Intelligence." Of course that wouldn't apply to the Infinite, who can't have ill health, but all "good" is taken as merely a polarity that equally "moves away" from unity. But then abandonment of the three (freewill, logos, and light) would move toward unity, as if the Infinite has none of these things rather than being the epitome of them.
"The created universe that we experience is the Creator’s exploration of Itself through the first distortion, which Ra also calls the Law of Confusion." Sounds like the physical is confusion, and the spiritual would then be also because freewill also operates in the spiritual.
"A Logos can create a single star system or it can create a galaxy with billions of star systems .... Humans are an example of sub-sub-Logoi." There's that very careful subjugation of the sun's power again. The Bible says that we are the final creation that rules the others (including the stars), not that the stars rule us. We judge angels. Wait till I get my hands on the angel who came up with this malarkey putting himself above me.
"On earth, after matter had coalesced and space/time had begun to 'unroll its scroll of livingness', first density took about two billion years .... Second density on earth took about 4.6 billion years." Clever to reject the standard evo model of earth 4.54 bya, allowing another lie to be inserted if necessary for retconning later. Third density at 75,000, unexplained, is just conveniently set so as to make it look appealing to our age being unique and aquarian. Harmony and understanding. But the Bible says every day of every era is the day of salvation.
"What Ra calls a 'social memory complex'". You like hivemind?
"Fourth density lasts approximately 30 million years; fourth-density lifespans are approximately 90 thousand years." What you can promise when you don't have to deliver.
"Fifth-density entities are beautiful, by our standards, because they can consciously shape their physical forms .... Ra is sixth-density; their sixth-density cycle is 75 million years." You can also shape your physical form today in a dream, or an OBE or NDE, and Jesus the Lamb shows how it's done generically. No need to wait 30 million years.
"Densities last for pre-determined lengths of time." Who determines? Sounds like bad sci-fi.
"The 75,000-year time period for Earth’s third density is at an end. According to Ra, the year 2011 was 'an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest.'" What a coincidence! We live in the exact era out of 7 billion years in which a very important choice is being made! It's almost as if the choice is to be glorified so that the glory will reflect on how important the proponent of the choice is and how right he is. Well then, I'll tell you a greater secret: we live in an era out of infinite years in which unique important choices are being made and will never be made again! My words today and your hearing today are more important in that scheme of things than anything else before or since! So listen up!
Well well well, looks like the namecalling has started to work.
Based and Thomasine
But uhh, did you want to pick three? Most of your objections are semantic
Also, if you missed it, I said your attempts to paint Jesus’ words as “affirmation” were cope and pilpul. Don’t know if you were expecting me to copy and paste that out for each one or what.